Re: Question about Testosterone

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One thing you need to understand about this labs are a tool not the last word.

You went back on the gel for 4 days then did labs and got the same levels you

had before going on them. I see men go on gels Androgle or Testim and end up

with lower numbers then they started on. Read this copy of this file I made

about this. If your Thyroid is real bad and your sick gets thick gels will not

get through your skin and your levels will not go up. If this is the case

switch to shots.

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Starting on Androgel or Testim.

Yes this happens a lot you start on a low starting dose 5 grams when your brain

sees the testosterone in your blood even just a little it slows down even stops

sending the LH and FSH message to your testis to make the Testosterone you were

making. So lets say your labs for Total T were 350 you add this dose of gel

your brain sees this and you lose the base level you had before the gel.

Now lets say you need more then 5 grams most do so now all your left with is

what the gel is doing so lets say it's doing 200 so you lost 150.

The reason you feel good is your levels go up that 200 the gel is doing in the

first 2 weeks so your levels go up to 550 in theory. The brain sees this and

you fall back.

Why can this happen it might be how your putting on the gel with Androgel you

need to spread it over your upper arms and shoulders and down your back as far

as you can reach this is half of your dose then do the other side. Just spread

it over the area but don't rub it in.

The other thing is it's not getting through your skin good so you need more. If

you have a thyroid problem your skin will become thicker and gels and creams

don't get through the skin and you need to switch to shots.

I tell men when they go on Gels to retest in 2 weeks because you can end up

feeling worse. Most men just need more gel. Dr.'s that tell men to go on 5

grams of gel and come back in 8 to 12 weeks for labs don't know much about the

use of gels. Dr.'s that treat a lot of men for low T on gels see this happen

and test them again in 2 weeks.

When you go to do labs get up and shower that morning go do your labs and then

put in the gel after your blood test so you don’t spike up your labs. If you

can’t do labs in the morning shower put on the gel but don’t get any gel on

the spot they take the blood from. Do your labs about 6 hrs later.

Call your Dr. and tell him this and that your not feeling good you were but fell

back.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Gibcast <gibcast@...>

> Subject: Question about Testosterone

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> Date: Saturday, September 18, 2010, 9:43 AM

> How could my S-Testosterone be at 15

> nmol/L on the 21st of July 2010, after being on 2 pumps

> daily (200 mg testosterone - I am sorry for typing 400 mg

> earlier!) for 2 months, when I got the EXACT SAME RESULT, 15

> nmol/L, a week ago, when I had been OFF the 2 pumps of gel

> for 1 month??????????

> Can someone PLEASE explain what's going on here?

> Or can this simply be explained in the way that my

> testosterone went up initially (I had very high levels when

> I came to Hertoghe on the second appointment in June after

> being on the fel for 2 months!) but THEN it started to

> convert to E2? Will Testosterone in serum go LOW if it

> converts to E2? E2 was at 0.16 nmol/L (Range: <0.18)

> while on the 2 pumps on the 21st of July 2010. This is when

> I saw my Testosterone level LOW in the way that it was the

> SAME result as I had NOW last week while being OFF the gel!

> Last week, E2 was, however, STILL high, at 0.12 nmol/L (tho

> the range for THAT laboratory was 0.6 - 0.12 nmolL).

> I need to understand these issues to relax!!!

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