Guest guest Posted April 11, 2010 Report Share Posted April 11, 2010 I feel you should be OK adding HCG will keep your T levels up good if your testis work. If you feel off add more shots of HCG when I started on it I did it 3x's a week with my shot. At the end of 30 days your going to have to pitch your HCG if it says it's only good for 30 days after mixing anyway. Still call your Dr. if your having a problem with lower levels. If you were going from 400mgs to 50 mgs with out the HCG you would surely crash. But then again your only did 2 400 mg. shots so I feel you will be fine you might feel a little off but not a true crash. Co-Moderator Phil > From: andrenym007 <no_reply > > Subject: Need advice > > Date: Sunday, April 11, 2010, 2:15 AM > Started trt a month ago and have > received 2 400mg shots spaced 2 weeks apart. Went to new > doctor because previous one was an ass and he wants me to > start with 50 cyp a week. He also started me on hcg and I > took 250 on friday and the same on saturday. I am supposed > to take a testosterone shot today sunday and dont know what > I should do. I know the 50 is low but I wanna follow new > docs instructions so I'm willing to give it a go. Will I > crash hard being that my body is expecting another 400 shot? > Maybe I should take 100 instead of the 50? I guess there's > no way of him finding out. Will the addition of hcg make me > not crash as hard or maybe I'll be fine with new dose? I > dont want to call new doc yet and tell him that I think I > should take 100 per week until I see how I feel. > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2010 Report Share Posted April 11, 2010 The 2nd doc may have been an ass but I think his Rx with the 50mg test a week plus HCG might have been an excellent starting point.Wish I had begun on that regimen.I went straight to 200mg test every 2 weeks.With 2nsec hypogonadism,HCG would have been a good adjunct.Might have been alall I needed with a smidge of test thrown in.As Phil said, a lot easier to increase dosage than back off. > > Started trt a month ago and have received 2 400mg shots spaced 2 weeks apart. Went to new doctor because previous one was an ass and he wants me to start with 50 cyp a week. He also started me on hcg and I took 250 on friday and the same on saturday. I am supposed to take a testosterone shot today sunday and dont know what I should do. I know the 50 is low but I wanna follow new docs instructions so I'm willing to give it a go. Will I crash hard being that my body is expecting another 400 shot? Maybe I should take 100 instead of the 50? I guess there's no way of him finding out. Will the addition of hcg make me not crash as hard or maybe I'll be fine with new dose? I dont want to call new doc yet and tell him that I think I should take 100 per week until I see how I feel. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2010 Report Share Posted April 12, 2010 Your E2 is high, take Indoplex dim. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile Need advice > > > > > > Date: Sunday, April 11, 2010, 2:15 AM > > > Started trt a month ago and have > > > received 2 400mg shots spaced 2 weeks apart. Went to new > > > doctor because previous one was an ass and he wants me to > > > start with 50 cyp a week. He also started me on hcg and I > > > took 250 on friday and the same on saturday. I am supposed > > > to take a testosterone shot today sunday and dont know what > > > I should do. I know the 50 is low but I wanna follow new > > > docs instructions so I'm willing to give it a go. Will I > > > crash hard being that my body is expecting another 400 shot? > > > Maybe I should take 100 instead of the 50? I guess there's > > > no way of him finding out. Will the addition of hcg make me > > > not crash as hard or maybe I'll be fine with new dose? I > > > dont want to call new doc yet and tell him that I think I > > > should take 100 per week until I see how I feel. > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2010 Report Share Posted April 12, 2010 That's what I'm thinking. I wonder what phil thinks. > > > > > > > From: andrenym007 <no_reply > > > > > Subject: Need advice > > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, April 11, 2010, 2:15 AM > > > > Started trt a month ago and have > > > > received 2 400mg shots spaced 2 weeks apart. Went to new > > > > doctor because previous one was an ass and he wants me to > > > > start with 50 cyp a week. He also started me on hcg and I > > > > took 250 on friday and the same on saturday. I am supposed > > > > to take a testosterone shot today sunday and dont know what > > > > I should do. I know the 50 is low but I wanna follow new > > > > docs instructions so I'm willing to give it a go. Will I > > > > crash hard being that my body is expecting another 400 shot? > > > > Maybe I should take 100 instead of the 50? I guess there's > > > > no way of him finding out. Will the addition of hcg make me > > > > not crash as hard or maybe I'll be fine with new dose? I > > > > dont want to call new doc yet and tell him that I think I > > > > should take 100 per week until I see how I feel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2010 Report Share Posted April 12, 2010 Phil is a great source for information and asistance. I'm knew to this area of TRT but I'm learning. I'm not on TRT but I have decided to see Dr Crisler. I hear he is one of the best TRT docs in the country. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile Need advice > > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, April 11, 2010, 2:15 AM > > > > Started trt a month ago and have > > > > received 2 400mg shots spaced 2 weeks apart. Went to new > > > > doctor because previous one was an ass and he wants me to > > > > start with 50 cyp a week. He also started me on hcg and I > > > > took 250 on friday and the same on saturday. I am supposed > > > > to take a testosterone shot today sunday and dont know what > > > > I should do. I know the 50 is low but I wanna follow new > > > > docs instructions so I'm willing to give it a go. Will I > > > > crash hard being that my body is expecting another 400 shot? > > > > Maybe I should take 100 instead of the 50? I guess there's > > > > no way of him finding out. Will the addition of hcg make me > > > > not crash as hard or maybe I'll be fine with new dose? I > > > > dont want to call new doc yet and tell him that I think I > > > > should take 100 per week until I see how I feel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 I feel if your E2 tested high or you feel like your high treat it. I gage my E2 levels by my night time and morning wood is I have good wood I know my levels are good. If you don't have wood and go on DIM it will come back when your levels fall lower but it can keep going down and when I go to low I lose wood like some one shut it off. So if your doing DIM and this happens stop taking it until your wood comes back then go back on it but take half. Learn how to tell by how you feel and how good your night time and morning wood is as to how your E2 levels are doing. Going to high I get weaker wood or lose it sweat and feel high have anxiety or even Panic Attacks. Wake up in the middle of the night in a sweat with my heart beating fast. Going to low I just lose wood in time if I am low to long my joints will hurt. You need to keep a log on how your feeling so you can tell. Gaging by my wood works great for me. Co-Moderator Phil > From: andrenym007 <no_reply > > Subject: Re: Need advice > > Date: Monday, April 12, 2010, 9:51 PM > Well today I definitely feel off. I > took my shot on sunday and felt good almost right after and > today I'm off. I think it might also have to do with my > estrogen level which tested high. Should I go on dim or wait > until my levels stabilize with new dose? > > > > > > > From: andrenym007 <no_reply > > > > Subject: Need advice > > > > > > Date: Sunday, April 11, 2010, 2:15 AM > > > Started trt a month ago and have > > > received 2 400mg shots spaced 2 weeks apart. Went > to new > > > doctor because previous one was an ass and he > wants me to > > > start with 50 cyp a week. He also started me on > hcg and I > > > took 250 on friday and the same on saturday. I am > supposed > > > to take a testosterone shot today sunday and dont > know what > > > I should do. I know the 50 is low but I wanna > follow new > > > docs instructions so I'm willing to give it a go. > Will I > > > crash hard being that my body is expecting > another 400 shot? > > > Maybe I should take 100 instead of the 50? I > guess there's > > > no way of him finding out. Will the addition of > hcg make me > > > not crash as hard or maybe I'll be fine with new > dose? I > > > dont want to call new doc yet and tell him that I > think I > > > should take 100 per week until I see how I feel. > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 Then go on the DIM don't wait your T levels will free up keep E2 levels down. Co-Moderator Phil > From: andrenym007 <no_reply > > Subject: Re: Need advice > > Date: Monday, April 12, 2010, 9:57 PM > Took blood work a week ago it's low > 60's. > > > > > > > > > From: andrenym007 <no_reply > > > > > Subject: Need advice > > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, April 11, 2010, 2:15 AM > > > > Started trt a month ago and have > > > > received 2 400mg shots spaced 2 weeks apart. > Went to new > > > > doctor because previous one was an ass and > he wants me to > > > > start with 50 cyp a week. He also started me > on hcg and I > > > > took 250 on friday and the same on saturday. > I am supposed > > > > to take a testosterone shot today sunday and > dont know what > > > > I should do. I know the 50 is low but I > wanna follow new > > > > docs instructions so I'm willing to give it > a go. Will I > > > > crash hard being that my body is expecting > another 400 shot? > > > > Maybe I should take 100 instead of the 50? I > guess there's > > > > no way of him finding out. Will the addition > of hcg make me > > > > not crash as hard or maybe I'll be fine with > new dose? I > > > > dont want to call new doc yet and tell him > that I think I > > > > should take 100 per week until I see how I > feel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 Phil my libido is fine. Should I treat my elevated estrogen anyway? I think it's preventing me from feeling the full benefits of T. Does DIM lower estrogen or does it do something else? > > > > > > > From: andrenym007 <no_reply > > > > > Subject: Need advice > > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, April 11, 2010, 2:15 AM > > > > Started trt a month ago and have > > > > received 2 400mg shots spaced 2 weeks apart. Went > > to new > > > > doctor because previous one was an ass and he > > wants me to > > > > start with 50 cyp a week. He also started me on > > hcg and I > > > > took 250 on friday and the same on saturday. I am > > supposed > > > > to take a testosterone shot today sunday and dont > > know what > > > > I should do. I know the 50 is low but I wanna > > follow new > > > > docs instructions so I'm willing to give it a go. > > Will I > > > > crash hard being that my body is expecting > > another 400 shot? > > > > Maybe I should take 100 instead of the 50? I > > guess there's > > > > no way of him finding out. Will the addition of > > hcg make me > > > > not crash as hard or maybe I'll be fine with new > > dose? I > > > > dont want to call new doc yet and tell him that I > > think I > > > > should take 100 per week until I see how I feel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 Here is all the info on DIM I have in a file and Libodo is not the same as this. ==================================================== Every guy has three to six erections a night, each lasting anywhere from 10 to 40 minutes. These involuntary nocturnal erections appear during REM (Rapid Eye Movement) sleep, the stage in which dreaming occurs. But they have nothing to do with the dream content. A nocturnal hard on doesn’t imply that you are sexually excited. Nightly erections are like a ‘battery-recharging’ mechanism for the penis. The pelvic blood flow ensures the penis gets all the oxygen it needs. Women also experience episodes of nocturnal arousal during REM sleep. Approximately four or five times a night they experience labial, vaginal and clitoral engorgement. Normally guys don’t notice these nocturnal erections. Only when a wet dream wakes them up or they wake up in the morning with a hard on. ==================================================== Men lose this as Estradiol levels go to high if you can't tell if you have them get a roll of stamps put them around your penis before bed time if the break apart by morning your having Nocturnal erections. ---------------------------------------------------- The following is a copy of my file on DIM or Arimidex to keep E2 Estradiol levels down. ==================================================== ALL ABOUT DIM. Sure here is a few links that are all about it. But there are a lot of Co.'s out there selling DIM that don't work well. Indolplex/DIM is the best it dose not get killed in your stomach when you take it. Diindolylmethane (DIM) is a stable indole found in cruciferous vegetables which promotes a beneficial estrogen metabolism in both women and men. http://www.dimfaq.com/index.htm in this link it's full of links about it. http://qualitycounts.com/fpdim.html http://www.jbc.org/content/278/23/21136.full If you have DIM in caps it's not Indolplex so to take this and to get it to work open the cap pore the DIM into a spoon add some Olive oil and take it this helps to keep it from getting killed in your stomach. The following is some links to where you can buy Indolplex/DIM. http://www.vitaglo.com/e5336.html http://www.vitacost.com/EnzymaticTherapyEstroBalancewithDIM/searchby-PN/searchte\ xt-dim http://www.iherb.com/Enzymatic-Therapy-Pure-Rip-with-DIM-60-Tablets/12814?at=0 http://www.iherb.com/Enzymatic-Therapy-Pure-Rip-with-DIM-60-Tablets/12814?at=0 http://www.estrobalance.net/ http://www.easyhealthzone.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=PP0108 & click=71 http://www.nbizz.com/longevityclinic/listings/213.html http://www.drugnatural.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD & Store_Code=DMOS & Product_\ Code=156497 http://www.smartbomb.com/itindo9.html?utm_source=mercent & utm_medium=shopcompare & \ utm_content=itindo9 & utm_campaign=mbsdb & mr:trackingCode=C6AEFBD1-E681-DE11-B7F3-0\ 019B9C043EB & mr:referralID=NA http://www.ritecare.com/cgi-bin/cart.pl?db=product_db.dat & category=natural+medic\ ine & method=any_words & search=iti-75336 http://www.naturamart.com/phytopharmica-pms-formula-with-indoplex-120-caps.html How to take Indolplex/DIM take one tablet 120 mgs at dinner time it can take 2 weeks to 2 months to get your Estradiol levels down it’s all about how high you are in your levels. What you need to do is get this down to about 20 pg/ml. When you get this low your night time and morning wood will come back so strong it will wake you up this means most of the time your at your best levels or what I call the sweet spot. Keep taking the DIM but if your wood stops your going down to low so just stop taking it. The day your wood comes back go back on the DIM but cut the tablet in half. If your Testosterone was tested and low but your not on TRT get it tested again you might find your levels came up some 200 to 300 points. http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/89/3/1174 ---------------------------------------------------- How To Take Arimdex and not go down on your Estradiol to Low. What I found is if you go to low taking arimidex, it's the length of time your to low, if your too low say for 8 weeks it can take your body a longer time to make more Estradiol. Bottom line is to know how not to go to low. Keep a log on your dose and how you feel men going to low can't get it up taking Viagra. I went to low when I first tried Arimidex and did not know about going to low or how one feels to low, so I was low a good 8 weeks. I did not know I was low until my next labs. The best gage I have found to control your Estradiol levels is to gage your night time and morning wood. At good levels or what I call the sweet spot you get your night time and morning wood back so strong it will wake you up and you can hang a coat on it. Most men do good taking .25 mgs or 1/4 of a 1mg. pill, I use a pill cutter to cut the small pill in half then I stand it on the cut end and use a single edge razor to cut this in half. A good way to take arimidex is by how high your levels are. I tested over 90 pg/ml so we tried doing .5 mgs every other day after 8 weeks my next set of labs showed it did not move below 90, test said >90. So we did .5 mgs. every day in about 2 weeks I got some strong night time and morning wood back after not having them for many yrs. I kept doing this dose and in 8 weeks my next set of labs said <20 back in the day labs were like this they did not have to good labs we have today they could not read lower the 20. My Dr. told me this looks to low to stop taking the Arimidex. The one thing I noticed was my wood stopped and stopping the Arimidex my wood came back in about 7 weeks my next test at 8 weeks was 24 pg/ml. So we went back on the Arimidex but the Dr. told me to take .5 mgs every 3 days I was on this dose not a week and lost wood. This is when I figured out going to low you lose wood. And the longer your too low the longer it takes to get levels back up. I stopped the arimidex right away and got my wood back in 4 days. I then after playing with the dose for a time found the best dose is .25mgs every 2 to 3 days. So lets say your labs are less the 50 pg/ml if your take .5 mgs you can go down so dam fast your miss the sweet spot of your wood and go to low. It's best with lower levels 50 and under to do less Arimidex .25mgs every 2 days if later your lose wood when it comes back go to every 3 days. I have found estradiol is the hardest hormone to control, it goes up or down from month to month some times I need .25mgs every 2 days other times I need ..25mgs everyday most of the time I do well on every 3 days. So between wood and labs I do great and so do most of the men I have told this to. I keep a log on how much I am taking and how I feel. Doing this and reading back in my log I was able to tell when I was going to high or to low my Dr. lets me dose my arimidex by how I feel. Over the yrs. I have posted this story until I am blue in the face. Co-Moderator Phil > From: andrenym007 <no_reply > > Subject: Re: Need advice > > Date: Tuesday, April 13, 2010, 12:56 PM > Phil my libido is fine. Should I > treat my elevated estrogen anyway? I think it's preventing > me from feeling the full benefits of T. Does DIM lower > estrogen or does it do something else? > > > > > > > > > > > From: andrenym007 <no_reply > > > > > > Subject: Need advice > > > > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, April 11, 2010, 2:15 AM > > > > > Started trt a month ago and have > > > > > received 2 400mg shots spaced 2 weeks > apart. Went > > > to new > > > > > doctor because previous one was an ass > and he > > > wants me to > > > > > start with 50 cyp a week. He also > started me on > > > hcg and I > > > > > took 250 on friday and the same on > saturday. I am > > > supposed > > > > > to take a testosterone shot today > sunday and dont > > > know what > > > > > I should do. I know the 50 is low but I > wanna > > > follow new > > > > > docs instructions so I'm willing to > give it a go. > > > Will I > > > > > crash hard being that my body is > expecting > > > another 400 shot? > > > > > Maybe I should take 100 instead of the > 50? I > > > guess there's > > > > > no way of him finding out. Will the > addition of > > > hcg make me > > > > > not crash as hard or maybe I'll be fine > with new > > > dose? I > > > > > dont want to call new doc yet and tell > him that I > > > think I > > > > > should take 100 per week until I see > how I feel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2010 Report Share Posted December 28, 2010 I took my first T shot on Sunday. I administered 50 myself with a 24G 1/2 " needle in my thigh. I didn't want to use the large needle because of information I learned in this group. I think it was Phil that mentioned that he does the same and has seen very good test results. The area where I administered has a knot. It hurts to the touch but nothing I can't handle. I just wanted to know if this is a normal side effect or did I do something wrong. There is no signs of bruising. Any advice would be appreciated.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 Hi Larry and Welcome, When your said your on 200 1 mg weekly Test C I hope you meant 1 ml. this would be 200 mgs/wk. This is a high dose to do all in one shot I see you read Shippen's book it's dated he now dose shots to his self. But he does them every 3 days I read about this 6 yrs. ago and got my Dr. to let me try this it works great. You don't have the peak levels so high after 3 days and you stay more leveled. Also it holds down Estradiol E2 from going so high and helps keep ones blood thinner. So if you try this your shot would be 80 mgs every 3 days. I also do HCG but don't get your dose I do .25cc the day before my next shot this is 250 IU's HCG is mesured in IU's. So lets go over this my HCG Novarel comes in 10,000 IU's mixed with 10 mls or cc of Bal. water. So for every 1ml or cc shot it's 1000 IU's I think your saying your doing .5 cc this would be a 500 IU's shot of HCG. I have cut way back on my HCG shots they convert into to much E2 for me. I was to the point taking 1 mg. of Arimidex was not enough to keep my E2 levels down. So today I only do 150 IU's the day before my next Test C shot that I do every 3 days. As for your night time and morning wood and not being able to keep it up for sex your not alone. I have the same problem. My Dr. yrs. ago when Cialis came out put me on 20 mgs every 3 days this took care of the problem and it helped with my higher levels of BP. Two yrs. ago I had to have Heart Bypass Surgery and today my Heart Dr. has me on 5 mgs of Cialis for my heart. So I have been on Cialis from day one never a problem. Your doing a lot of Anastrozole (Arimidex) if you keep doing this dose your going to end up going to low. When this happens you will lose your night time and morning wood and your penis will go into hiding. And nothing will get it up so at the end of this reply I will cut and paste a copy of a file I made about not going to low on Arimidex. As for your Cortisol levels yes check them most me with low T end up with low Cortisol levels due to the stress on your body from low Testosterone. Even check your Thyroid low Cortisol effects your Thyroid. As for your Progesterone levels I hope they tested your pregnenolone also. At Dr. 's forum he is one of the top male hormone Dr.'s in the world. Go to his Forum and read the Mods " Hormones 101 " a sticky by Chilln. You might find trying pregnenolone cream will fix your Problems if your Cortisol levels are low. http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/showthread.php?15290-Hormones-101 Men with Hypogonadism don't cycle there Testosterone meds. Off all the men I have talked to that had ED when they fixed the problem going on TRT and keeping E2 levels down still would worry about it working when they went to have sex and would lose it. I don't feel " psychological " drug therapy will help this drugs like this make it worse. Also Therapy to keep it up did not help most but I do feel Therapy is good I was in it for 5 yrs when I first got sick. They told me I suffered from Major Depression when they could not figure out why I was sick. Five yrs. later we found out I as not suffering from Depression it was low Testosterone still I found Therapy to be great I have a whole different way of looking at life now. ================================= How To Take Arimdex and not go down on your Estradiol to Low. What I found is if you go to low taking arimidex, it's the length of time your to low, if your too low say for 8 weeks it can take your body a longer time to make more Estradiol. Bottom line is to know how not to go to low. Keep a log on your dose and how you feel men going to low can't get it up taking Viagra. I went to low when I first tried Arimidex and did not know about going to low or how one feels to low, so I was low a good 8 weeks. I did not know I was low until my next labs. The best gage I have found to control your Estradiol levels is to gage your night time and morning wood. At good levels or what I call the sweet spot you get your night time and morning wood back so strong it will wake you up and you can hang a coat on it. Most men do good taking .25 mgs or 1/4 of a 1mg. pill, I use a pill cutter to cut the small pill in half then I stand it on the cut end and use a single edge razor to cut this in half. A good way to take arimidex is by how high your levels are. I tested over 90 pg/ml so we tried doing .5 mgs every other day after 8 weeks my next set of labs showed it did not move below 90, test said >90. So we did .5 mgs. every day in about 2 weeks I got some strong night time and morning wood back after not having them for many yrs. I kept doing this dose and in 8 weeks my next set of labs said <20 back in the day labs were like this they did not have to good labs we have today they could not read lower the 20. My Dr. told me this looks to low to stop taking the Arimidex. The one thing I noticed was my wood stopped and stopping the Arimidex my wood came back in about 7 weeks my next test at 8 weeks was 24 pg/ml. So we went back on the Arimidex but the Dr. told me to take .5 mgs every 3 days I was on this dose not a week and lost wood. This is when I figured out going to low you lose wood. And the longer your too low the longer it takes to get levels back up. I stopped the arimidex right away and got my wood back in 4 days. I then after playing with the dose for a time found the best dose is .25mgs every 2 to 3 days. So lets say your labs are less the 50 pg/ml if your take .5 mgs you can go down so dam fast your miss the sweet spot of your wood and go to low. It's best with lower levels 50 and under to do less Arimidex .25mgs every 2 days if later your lose wood when it comes back go to every 3 days. I have found estradiol is the hardest hormone to control, it goes up or down from month to month some times I need .25mgs every 2 days other times I need ..25mgs everyday most of the time I do well on every 3 days. So between wood and labs I do great and so do most of the men I have told this to. I keep a log on how much I am taking and how I feel. Doing this and reading back in my log I was able to tell when I was going to high or to low my Dr. lets me dose my arimidex by how I feel. Over the yrs. I have posted this story until I am blue in the face. Co-Moderator Phil > From: Larry <laurenceinorlando@...> > Subject: Need Advice > > Date: Sunday, January 23, 2011, 8:39 PM > Hello All, > > I started under the care of Dr. McClain in November for > moderate ED issues. I've been happy with his care for > the most part. Sometimes it is hard to get questions > answered but maybe I asked too many. He put me on > testosterone cyp 200 1 mg weekly, HGC 50 cc MWF, and > Anastrozole 1 mg MWFS. I have been on this therapy for > 90 days. I had my blood drawn Saturday for CBC, CMP, > THS, Fasting lipids, Testosterone free and total, DHEA, DHT, > Progesterone, Estradiol, and Magnesium. I should have > the results in about seven business > days.   I'd like to have had my cortisol > checked but that wasn't included in the lab request. > In the past 90 days I have noticed a little improvement in > the ED but it is still not where it should be. I'm not > reliable all the time when I need to be. My libido > seems to be fine but for some reason there seems to be a > disconnect between my brain and downstairs sometimes. > It is very frustrating. I also from time to time have > delayed ejaculation which is an added frustration. The > odd thing is I'm rock hard all night into the morning when I > wake up. Because of that Dr. McClain says it is not an > organic issue so he has ruled out hormonal and vascular > issues. He believes it is psychological due to > anxiety. He is probably right but how does one calm > anxiety? I'm told anxiety medications are not only > addictive and a patch to the problem but also contribute to > ED! My understanding is there are three to four > pathways in the brain, dopamine, GABA and acetylcholine > which can all affect erections and orgasm. I also > understand measuring dopamine and GABA are very > difficult. I believe the brain is one of the least > understood parts of the body and when something is > " psychological " drug therapy is hit and miss. A > patient is told " try this and see if it works, if it doesn't > we'll try something else " . Or patients are told, " just > stay calm and relax and practice living in the > moment " . I've tried all of that long ago and if it > were that easy I wouldn't have gone to a professional for > help. > > Cialis works like a charm but rather than becoming > dependant on something that my lose its effectiveness I'd > rather get to the root source of the problem and correct > it. So I guess at this point I'm being told it is all > in my mind so I've been told I should see Dr. Midyett a > psychologist in his office. I met with her Friday and > she was very nice and calming and agreed I have anxiety and > I'm a worrier. I don't dispute any of that. > However, I find it odd that I've had those same traits all > my life and now suddenly they are causing ED? It is > also odd that is starts to affect men right around my age in > the late 40's. I see this as more than a > coincidence. > > I have also been in contact with Jasen Bruce as APS > Pharmacy who has been a great source of information. I > recently read two books on the subject. " Testosterone > A Man's Guide " by Vergel and " The Testosterone > Syndrome " by Eugene Shippen M.D.   In > 's book he seems to indicate that testosterone should > be cycled. I've been on it for nearly two years > without a break so I asked Jasen about this and he said it > does not need to be cycled if one is replacing it to the > natural levels one had before they declined. It only > needs to be cycled in cases where men are raising their > levels to an unnaturally high level higher than they would > normally have been i.e. bodybuilders abusing steroids. > In Dr. Shippen's book he says injectable testosterone is the > least effective way to administer testosterone, Jasen > disagrees with this. I'd like other opinions if anyone > out there would like to chime in. > > To sum it up, my issue appears to be " psychological " > according to the experts I've conferred with. Do > others out there agree with that? If not what is your > opinion? If you do what would you recommend to do to > overcome a psychological ED issue? Thanks! > > Larry > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 Larry here is what you shoot for in most men they try to get there Total Testosterone levels up into the upper 1/3 of there labs range for a young man. And to keep there E3 levels down to about 20 pg/ml if you don't feel you have night time wood check to see if you can get it up and it's a good one before getting out of bed if your levels for E2 were 37 pg/ml you can go to low very fast even on this big shot most men start with 100 mgs / week how this for about 8 weeks then go by labs and how they feel. If still low and not feeling better they up there shot so 125 mgs / weeks and repeat. Here is a good link to read. http://www.griffinmedical.com/male_hormone_modulation_therapy.html If you find you need 200 mgs / week talk to your Dr. about doing them every 3 days and as for your HCG your doing 500 IU's you might find you can do as good at a lower dose I use to do 500 IU's 3x's per wk. I found my levels never changed droping the dose to 250 IU's and when you go to do labs I don't do my HCG shot the days before my labs the HCG tends to show your levels higher then what they are. Co-Moderator Phil > From: Larry <laurenceinorlando@...> > Subject: Re: Need Advice > > Date: Monday, January 24, 2011, 11:03 AM > Hi Phil, > > Thanks for the welcome. On the bottle it reads > " Testosterone Cyp 200 mg/ml " and it is a 10 ml vial. I > take 1 ml a week in an injection. That is good > information to know that now Dr. Shippen prefers injections > now. It is so confusing to read one thing by an expert > in one place and something totally different by another > expert in another. The testosterone I'm on is supposed > to be time released so at the end of the week the levels are > still consistent. For the HCG, I'm using a 1 cc > syringe and filling it to the 50 mark so I was incorrect in > saying I'm using 50 cc's. That is good information > about the Anastrozole. I'll be very interested to see > where my E2 levels are when I receive my blood work > results. My understanding is that a good place for it > to be is around 20. I have had thyroid tests and those > come back normal. My pregnenolone levels were not > ordered on the lab slip only the Porgesterone.  > It is also reassuring to know that I don't need to cycle my > testosterone. It sounds like I may have been > prescribed too much Anastrozole. I'm sure Dr. McClain > had a reason for it and he will adjust it accordingly when > my lab results come back. The last time I had my > Estradiol level checked before I started on the Anastrozole > it was 37 which was a bit high but that was when I was on > Androgel and not injectable testosterone which has the > propensity to convert more to > estradiol.   Thanks for posting this story > one more time. LOL > > Larry > > > > > > > From: Larry <laurenceinorlando@...> > > > Subject: Need Advice > > > > > > Date: Sunday, January 23, 2011, 8:39 PM > > > Hello All, > > > > > > I started under the care of Dr. McClain in > November for > > > moderate ED issues. I've been happy with his > care for > > > the most part. Sometimes it is hard to get > questions > > > answered but maybe I asked too many. He put me > on > > > testosterone cyp 200 1 mg weekly, HGC 50 cc MWF, > and > > > Anastrozole 1 mg MWFS. I have been on this > therapy for > > > 90 days. I had my blood drawn Saturday for CBC, > CMP, > > > THS, Fasting lipids, Testosterone free and total, > DHEA, DHT, > > > Progesterone, Estradiol, and Magnesium. I > should have > > > the results in about seven business > > > days.   I'd like to have had my cortisol > > > checked but that wasn't included in the lab > request. > > > In the past 90 days I have noticed a little > improvement in > > > the ED but it is still not where it should be. > I'm not > > > reliable all the time when I need to be. My > libido > > > seems to be fine but for some reason there seems > to be a > > > disconnect between my brain and downstairs > sometimes. > > > It is very frustrating. I also from time to > time have > > > delayed ejaculation which is an added > frustration. The > > > odd thing is I'm rock hard all night into the > morning when I > > > wake up. Because of that Dr. McClain says it is > not an > > > organic issue so he has ruled out hormonal and > vascular > > > issues. He believes it is psychological due to > > > anxiety. He is probably right but how does one > calm > > > anxiety? I'm told anxiety medications are not > only > > > addictive and a patch to the problem but also > contribute to > > > ED! My understanding is there are three to > four > > > pathways in the brain, dopamine, GABA and > acetylcholine > > > which can all affect erections and orgasm. I > also > > > understand measuring dopamine and GABA are very > > > difficult. I believe the brain is one of the > least > > > understood parts of the body and when something > is > > > " psychological " drug therapy is hit and miss. > A > > > patient is told " try this and see if it works, if > it doesn't > > > we'll try something else " . Or patients are > told, " just > > > stay calm and relax and practice living in the > > > moment " . I've tried all of that long ago and if > it > > > were that easy I wouldn't have gone to a > professional for > > > help. > > > > > > Cialis works like a charm but rather than > becoming > > > dependant on something that my lose its > effectiveness I'd > > > rather get to the root source of the problem and > correct > > > it. So I guess at this point I'm being told it > is all > > > in my mind so I've been told I should see Dr. > Midyett a > > > psychologist in his office. I met with her > Friday and > > > she was very nice and calming and agreed I have > anxiety and > > > I'm a worrier. I don't dispute any of that. > > > However, I find it odd that I've had those same > traits all > > > my life and now suddenly they are causing ED? > It is > > > also odd that is starts to affect men right > around my age in > > > the late 40's. I see this as more than a > > > coincidence. > > > > > > I have also been in contact with Jasen Bruce as > APS > > > Pharmacy who has been a great source of > information. I > > > recently read two books on the subject. > " Testosterone > > > A Man's Guide " by Vergel and " The > Testosterone > > > Syndrome " by Eugene Shippen M.D.   In > > > 's book he seems to indicate that > testosterone should > > > be cycled. I've been on it for nearly two > years > > > without a break so I asked Jasen about this and > he said it > > > does not need to be cycled if one is replacing it > to the > > > natural levels one had before they declined. It > only > > > needs to be cycled in cases where men are raising > their > > > levels to an unnaturally high level higher than > they would > > > normally have been i.e. bodybuilders abusing > steroids. > > > In Dr. Shippen's book he says injectable > testosterone is the > > > least effective way to administer testosterone, > Jasen > > > disagrees with this. I'd like other opinions if > anyone > > > out there would like to chime in. > > > > > > To sum it up, my issue appears to be > " psychological " > > > according to the experts I've conferred with. > Do > > > others out there agree with that? If not what > is your > > > opinion? If you do what would you recommend to > do to > > > overcome a psychological ED issue? Thanks! > > > > > > Larry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 So Phil, if take one shot which is 1,000 (1ml) out of 10,000, its 10 shots total? Maybe I should buy the 10,000 instead of the 2,000 you recommended..... Re: Need Advice Hi Larry and Welcome, When your said your on 200 1 mg weekly Test C I hope you meant 1 ml. this would be 200 mgs/wk. This is a high dose to do all in one shot I see you read Shippen's book it's dated he now dose shots to his self. But he does them every 3 days I read about this 6 yrs. ago and got my Dr. to let me try this it works great. You don't have the peak levels so high after 3 days and you stay more leveled. Also it holds down Estradiol E2 from going so high and helps keep ones blood thinner. So if you try this your shot would be 80 mgs every 3 days. I also do HCG but don't get your dose I do .25cc the day before my next shot this is 250 IU's HCG is mesured in IU's. So lets go over this my HCG Novarel comes in 10,000 IU's mixed with 10 mls or cc of Bal. water. So for every 1ml or cc shot it's 1000 IU's I think your saying your doing .5 cc this would be a 500 IU's shot of HCG. I have cut way back on my HCG shots they convert into to much E2 for me. I was to the point taking 1 mg. of Arimidex was not enough to keep my E2 levels down. So today I only do 150 IU's the day before my next Test C shot that I do every 3 days. As for your night time and morning wood and not being able to keep it up for sex your not alone. I have the same problem. My Dr. yrs. ago when Cialis came out put me on 20 mgs every 3 days this took care of the problem and it helped with my higher levels of BP. Two yrs. [The entire original message is not included] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 NO NO NO what I ment was to show you how many IU's are in 1 ml. If you buy the 2000 IU's to do a 250 IU's shot it's .25 mls or CC's on your pin. 1000 IU's is 1 ml. Never do a 1000 IU or 1ml. shot if HCG. A 2000 IU' vial will last you 4 weeks doing the 250 IU's 2x's / week or the 2 days each before your next T shot. If on gels 250 IU's every 3 days once you start using it is only going to keep in the fridge for 30 days. Never do a 1000 IU's shot if HCG unless your trying to make a baby. Co-Moderator Phil > From: uu1845@... <uu1845@...> > Subject: RE: Need Advice > > Date: Tuesday, January 25, 2011, 6:09 PM > So Phil, if take one shot which is > 1,000 (1ml) out of 10,000, its 10 shots total? > > Maybe I should buy the 10,000 instead of the 2,000 you > recommended..... > > > > Re: Need Advice > > > Hi Larry and Welcome, > > When your said your on 200 1 mg weekly Test C I hope you > meant 1 ml. this would be 200 mgs/wk. > > This is a high dose to do all in one shot I see you read > Shippen's book it's dated he now dose shots to his self. But > he does them every 3 days I read about this 6 yrs. ago and > got my Dr. to let me try this it works great. > > You don't have the peak levels so high after 3 days and > you stay more leveled. Also it holds down Estradiol E2 from > going so high and helps keep ones blood thinner. > > So if you try this your shot would be 80 mgs every 3 days. > I also do HCG but don't get your dose I do .25cc the day > before my next shot this is 250 IU's HCG is mesured in > IU's. > > So lets go over this my HCG Novarel comes in 10,000 IU's > mixed with 10 mls or cc of Bal. water. > > So for every 1ml or cc shot it's 1000 IU's I think your > saying your doing .5 cc this would be a 500 IU's shot of > HCG. I have cut way back on my HCG shots they convert into > to much E2 for me. > > I was to the point taking 1 mg. of Arimidex was not enough > to keep my E2 levels down. So today I only do 150 IU's the > day before my next Test C shot that I do every 3 days. > > As for your night time and morning wood and not being able > to keep it up for sex your not alone. I have the same > problem. My Dr. yrs. ago when Cialis came out put me on 20 > mgs every 3 days this took care of the problem and it helped > with my higher levels of BP. > > Two yrs. > > [The entire original message is not included] > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 try accupuncture or HMG for fertility.. > > > From: uu1845@... <uu1845@...> > > Subject: RE: Need Advice > > > > Date: Thursday, January 27, 2011, 10:34 AM > > No, but I have told by my first endo > > it couldn't happen, but my second endo doc said I may have > > some left to conceive. So now, I make a month supply of > > Andogel last two months out of fear my testicles will > > continue and get smaller on top of small. I see my window to > > conceive xlose more each day and its scary! I long for a > & g > > [The entire original message is not included] > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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