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[Guest guest]

Judy, everyone's experience with removal of the gallbladder will be

different than yours.. I think its awesome that your doctor has the

presense of mind to do a liver biopsy at the same time. Mine did not

and now Im struggling to find a doctor who will. My gallbladder was

removed in 96. It wasn't my problem. ARe they going to do your

laproscopically? I do hope so. Sometimes the gallbladder is too large

from stones or disease to remove that way. Im sure the surgeon will be

able to tell you this. Good luck and keep us posted.

Jody

--- JBerry122@... wrote:

> From: JBerry122@...

>

> I finally got my test results back yesterday and

> the doctor is referring

> me to a surgeon to have my gallbladder removed and

> to have a liver biopsy.

> She did say my blood tests were normal. My Mom's

> blood tests were normal

> even when she was in the final stages of cirrhosis

> .... go figure. Anyway, I

> am cautiously optimistic that my gallbladder may be

> what's making me sick and

> that I'll feel 100% better after I have it out. Any

> gallbladder stories or

> advice out there to share?

> Thanks, Judy

>

> ---------------------------

[Guest guest]

Judy, everyone's experience with removal of the gallbladder will be

different than yours.. I think its awesome that your doctor has the

presense of mind to do a liver biopsy at the same time. Mine did not

and now Im struggling to find a doctor who will. My gallbladder was

removed in 96. It wasn't my problem. ARe they going to do your

laproscopically? I do hope so. Sometimes the gallbladder is too large

from stones or disease to remove that way. Im sure the surgeon will be

able to tell you this. Good luck and keep us posted.

Jody

--- JBerry122@... wrote:

> From: JBerry122@...

>

> I finally got my test results back yesterday and

> the doctor is referring

> me to a surgeon to have my gallbladder removed and

> to have a liver biopsy.

> She did say my blood tests were normal. My Mom's

> blood tests were normal

> even when she was in the final stages of cirrhosis

> .... go figure. Anyway, I

> am cautiously optimistic that my gallbladder may be

> what's making me sick and

> that I'll feel 100% better after I have it out. Any

> gallbladder stories or

> advice out there to share?

> Thanks, Judy

>

> ---------------------------

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In a message dated 5/22/00 11:50:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

tallmommy@... writes:

<< ELISA test was weakly positive ( 1.3 antibody titer). >>

I know this test is used to identify Lyme disease...do you think you might

have that?

Love, Melody

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Hi

can you tell me what is Lyme disease? what are the true symptoms? thanks

magaly

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>

> Hi

> can you tell me what is Lyme disease? what are the true symptoms? thanks

> magaly

>

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The ELISA test is used to detect antibodies in the blood, which could be

antibodies to food or, I guess, disease.

----------

>From: tallmommy@...

>candidiasisegroups

>Subject: test results

>Date: Mon, May 22, 2000, 11:49 AM

>

> I finally got tested for candida. My MD used immuno labs in Florida. The

> results of an immunodiffusion test were negative (0 bands observed) and for

> an ELISA test was weakly positive ( 1.3 antibody titer). He indicated

> thatsomething else in addition to Candida is probably causing my problems

> since I was only weakly reactive. However, since I was weakly reactive he

> suggested I continue to follow an anti-candida diet and anti-fungal

> suppliments. I'm now waiting on the results from a hormone panal. Does

> anyone have an information regarding the difference between an

> immunodiffusion test and an ELISA test?

> Crystal

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Hi there. I do not uderstand. If you have candida you must follow a diet

without sugar, milk, wheat, etc just the same as you do if you have

hypoglycemia. If you have candida this may cause leaky gut then you must

treat it too and leaky gut may cause food sensitivities. What is the detox

supplement?. Is not the garlic a detox supplement?. Greetings.

Claudio

From: scott-andrew@...

Reply-candidiasisegroups

candidiasisegroups

Subject: Test Results

Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:06:10 -0000

EVERYONE I HAVE TRIED TYPING THIS POSTING TWICE AND ALL WORDS ARE STILL

" CRAMMED " TOGETHER. I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW eGROUPS WORD PROCESSOR WORKS. I

TURNED OFF THE WORD WRAP FEATURE AND MY POSTING IS STILL A MESS. I HOPE ALL

WILL TAKE THE TIME TO READ IT THOUGH.

SORRY.--------------------------------------------------------Hi Everyone,I

will no longer be a member of this group as I don't have candida. I thought

I had it and my doctor thought I had it also. But he wasn't certain and

said " wait for test results to find out " . It is so hard to self-diagnose

this condition and many others because symptoms are so similiar.<I have

learned one very valuable lesson, NEVER self-diagnose. If my doctor was

fooled chances are people who don't have the candida test are being fooled

too.<I started self-diagnosing two years ago. I have spent over five

thousand dollars on health books, supplements & health foods. I have more

health books than what most health stores sell. I have more supplements

than what a family of 10 would even need. I was buying all health food but

was still sick. Because I should of been avoiding ingredients I wasn't

supposed to be eating. But I never knew because I never had the proper

testing. I even bought a $1,700 Select Comfort air bed because I wasn't

sleeping at night.<This year cost me the most money...over $25,000. I

haven't been able to work a 40 hour work week since June. And I'm in debt

because I have been living off of credit cards.<I will never self-diagnose

again. I will research and then go to my doctor. What my doctor told me

though I was already familiar with because of my previous reasearch. So I

knew he was very knowledgable.<I wish everyone the best of luck and hope all

learn from my costly mistake. All testing at the Born Cinic cost me only

$1,000. My health insurance paid for some expense. I could of been healthy

years ago and saved alot of money.<Also, if you have powder shakes or

supplements and are too tired touse your blender. I have a suggestion. Buy

White-Westinghouse 2-speed hand blender. This is a cheap version of the

infomercial but works very well. So much easier than using a regular

blender and clean up is FAST!!! This blender can be purchased at Kmart for

only $12.99. I now have no problem taking my powder supplements.<GOOD LUCK

EVERYONE!!!!<Here are my test results:<I have reactive hypoglycemia, leaky

gut syndrome and food sensitivities. I have to avoid wheat, buckwheat,

canola oil, cowsmilk, eggs & beans: green; kidney; lima; yellow wax.<I have

another problem which I will not mention but not severe. Leaky gut and this

other problem is causing toxins to be released in my body. This is why I

have so many symptoms and feel sick all the time. <I'm on a very strict diet

and taking supplements. Supplements are chromium for hypoglycemia; sulfer &

bifidus for leaky gut; and a detox supplement only perscribed by a doctor.<I

will be getting better and be 100% healthy in a few months. This is why I

have been sick for the last 17 years.<-.<PS. The Born Clinic is

the best!!! http://www.bornclinic.com

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I have had reactive hypoglycemia, severe enough to make me pass out,

hundreds of food allergies, some of which caused anaphylactic reactions,

super major problems with leaky gut, major sleep problems, and more, tested

negative for candida by the local doctors, with thrush growing in my mouth

that they could actually see, and they told me I didn't have candida, and

guess what - I HAVE CANDIDA! In spite of the dumb test. In spite of the dumb

doctors.

I finally had to seek out an alternative medicine doctor to get treated. And

she agreed that we needed to treat me for candida. Treating the candida

helped me get the reactive hypoglycemia under control. It's lessened the

food allergies, and I now have hope that I will be able to overcome all of

them, including the allergies that caused anaphylactic reactions, without

having to avoid the foods I've been allergic to. I'm still working on the

leaky gut problems, but they've improved a lot. All by treating for candida

and working on rebalancing my immune system. Even though I tested negative

for candida.

Candida may have been the cause, or it may only be opportunistic because of

damage to my immune system from a viral infection. But it has been there all

along, in spite of the dumb local doctors that insisted there was no such

thing as systemic candida in anyone but people dying of AIDS or cancer. The

doctors I went to could see it right in front of them, in my mouth, and

still insisted I didn't have a problem with candida.

I don't agree with 's assessment. I suspect that he DOES have candida,

whether or not it is the cause or just a part of his health problems. He

certainly sounds like he's got similar problems to me. He never did say what

the diagnosis of his doctor was. But if he has food allergies and leaky gut,

he has the kind of immune system problems that sets the ideal stage for

candida, and certainly can be caused by candida.

And I wouldn't trust doctors farther than I could throw them. My health has

only improved after I stopped depending on local doctors and took matters

into my own hands and began self-diagnosing myself. And I've heard the same

story repeated by many others. I wish all the best. I hope he's one of

the rare lucky ones that has actually found a doctor knowledgeable enough to

actually help him. But I'm skeptical. I've spent too many years studying

medicine and health on my own to fall for a doctor's assessment of a problem

that I am convinced MOST people have, but the medical community has

blatantly ignored and few doctors are qualified to treat. You can add it to

the list that includes Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Fibromyalgia, Multiple

Sclerosis, Rheumetoid Arthritis, and many more illnesses that the medical

community has totally missed the mark on. For many, self-diagnosis may be

the only way they are able to find help.

And by the way, , I also own a Select Comfort air bed. And I don't

think it was a waste.

lindaj@...

[Guest guest]

I also have started self diagnoising, imean youd on't need a doctor to tell

you you have a headache, people have been self diagnoising for years, in

fact in doing so can actually help docs. I happen to have a great doc. he

admits he doesn't know alot about FMS and he is doinga ll he can to learna

bout it and the best ways to treat me. like he knows not to automatically

give me an antibiotic he says wheat ihave and tells me to go to the local

healthstore to find sucha nd such that it will help the best. do any of you

know of a good vitamin url? or healthfood store on line? iam trying to find

noni juice and no one seems to have it near me.

thanks.

S

I may get stuck a lot in life, but at least I stick with it:)

Re: Test Results

I have had reactive hypoglycemia, severe enough to make me pass out,

hundreds of food allergies, some of which caused anaphylactic reactions,

super major problems with leaky gut, major sleep problems, and more, tested

negative for candida by the local doctors, with thrush growing in my mouth

that they could actually see, and they told me I didn't have candida, and

guess what - I HAVE CANDIDA! In spite of the dumb test. In spite of the dumb

doctors.

I finally had to seek out an alternative medicine doctor to get treated. And

she agreed that we needed to treat me for candida. Treating the candida

helped me get the reactive hypoglycemia under control. It's lessened the

food allergies, and I now have hope that I will be able to overcome all of

them, including the allergies that caused anaphylactic reactions, without

having to avoid the foods I've been allergic to. I'm still working on the

leaky gut problems, but they've improved a lot. All by treating for candida

and working on rebalancing my immune system. Even though I tested negative

for candida.

Candida may have been the cause, or it may only be opportunistic because of

damage to my immune system from a viral infection. But it has been there all

along, in spite of the dumb local doctors that insisted there was no such

thing as systemic candida in anyone but people dying of AIDS or cancer. The

doctors I went to could see it right in front of them, in my mouth, and

still insisted I didn't have a problem with candida.

I don't agree with 's assessment. I suspect that he DOES have candida,

whether or not it is the cause or just a part of his health problems. He

certainly sounds like he's got similar problems to me. He never did say what

the diagnosis of his doctor was. But if he has food allergies and leaky gut,

he has the kind of immune system problems that sets the ideal stage for

candida, and certainly can be caused by candida.

And I wouldn't trust doctors farther than I could throw them. My health has

only improved after I stopped depending on local doctors and took matters

into my own hands and began self-diagnosing myself. And I've heard the same

story repeated by many others. I wish all the best. I hope he's one of

the rare lucky ones that has actually found a doctor knowledgeable enough to

actually help him. But I'm skeptical. I've spent too many years studying

medicine and health on my own to fall for a doctor's assessment of a problem

that I am convinced MOST people have, but the medical community has

blatantly ignored and few doctors are qualified to treat. You can add it to

the list that includes Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Fibromyalgia, Multiple

Sclerosis, Rheumetoid Arthritis, and many more illnesses that the medical

community has totally missed the mark on. For many, self-diagnosis may be

the only way they are able to find help.

And by the way, , I also own a Select Comfort air bed. And I don't

think it was a waste.

lindaj@...

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I have most all of the same symptoms as you do. I have spent 3 years trying

to find the cause. 1/2 the Dr's I go to say Candida, the others don't know

because the test results say i don't have it. Some say possibly it is not

in the stage that would show up in my stool. If you don't have it then what

is the cause for your leaky gut, food sensitivities, hypoglycemia etc.

Nutritional deficiencies cause alot of this, but if so then what caused

nutritional deficiencies. All Dr's agree that I have ALOT of toxins being

released from my gut into my system, but so far don't know the cause. If

you can elaborate on you other problem, maybe it will help.

Where is the Born Clinic?

Thanks

>From: scott-andrew@...

>Reply-candidiasisegroups

>candidiasisegroups

>Subject: Test Results

>Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:06:10 -0000

>

>EVERYONE I HAVE TRIED TYPING THIS POSTING TWICE AND ALL WORDS ARE STILL

> " CRAMMED " TOGETHER. I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW eGROUPS WORD PROCESSOR WORKS.

>I TURNED OFF THE WORD WRAP FEATURE AND MY POSTING IS STILL A MESS. I HOPE

>ALL WILL TAKE THE TIME TO READ IT THOUGH.

>SORRY.--------------------------------------------------------Hi Everyone,I

>will no longer be a member of this group as I don't have candida. I thought

>I had it and my doctor thought I had it also. But he wasn't certain and

>said " wait for test results to find out " . It is so hard to self-diagnose

>this condition and many others because symptoms are so similiar.<I have

>learned one very valuable lesson, NEVER self-diagnose. If my doctor was

>fooled chances are people who don't have the candida test are being fooled

>too.<I started self-diagnosing two years ago. I have spent over five

>thousand dollars on health books, supplements & health foods. I have more

>health books than what most health stores sell. I have more supplements

>than what a family of 10 would even need. I was buying all health food but

>was still sick. Because I should of been avoiding ingredients I wasn't

>supposed to be eating. But I never knew because I never had the proper

>testing. I even bought a $1,700 Select Comfort air bed because I wasn't

>sleeping at night.<This year cost me the most money...over $25,000. I

>haven't been able to work a 40 hour work week since June. And I'm in debt

>because I have been living off of credit cards.<I will never self-diagnose

>again. I will research and then go to my doctor. What my doctor told me

>though I was already familiar with because of my previous reasearch. So I

>knew he was very knowledgable.<I wish everyone the best of luck and hope

>all learn from my costly mistake. All testing at the Born Cinic cost me

>only $1,000. My health insurance paid for some expense. I could of been

>healthy years ago and saved alot of money.<Also, if you have powder shakes

>or supplements and are too tired touse your blender. I have a suggestion.

>Buy White-Westinghouse 2-speed hand blender. This is a cheap version of

>the infomercial but works very well. So much easier than using a regular

>blender and clean up is FAST!!! This blender can be purchased at Kmart for

>only $12.99. I now have no problem taking my powder supplements.<GOOD LUCK

>EVERYONE!!!!<Here are my test results:<I have reactive hypoglycemia, leaky

>gut syndrome and food sensitivities. I have to avoid wheat, buckwheat,

>canola oil, cowsmilk, eggs & beans: green; kidney; lima; yellow wax.<I

>have another problem which I will not mention but not severe. Leaky gut and

>this other problem is causing toxins to be released in my body. This is

>why I have so many symptoms and feel sick all the time. <I'm on a very

>strict diet and taking supplements. Supplements are chromium for

>hypoglycemia; sulfer & bifidus for leaky gut; and a detox supplement only

>perscribed by a doctor.<I will be getting better and be 100% healthy in a

>few months. This is why I have been sick for the last 17

>years.<-.<PS. The Born Clinic is the best!!!

>http://www.bornclinic.com

>

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Cheryl, I did get your message -- I think I get all of them. I'm so sorry you're having a hard time and that the news isn't better. It isn't all bad, though. There are a lot of bright spots in there. More later.

Harper

[Guest guest]

flatcat9@... wrote:

Cheryl,

I did get your message -- I think I get all of them. I'm so sorry

you're having a hard time

and that the news isn't better. It isn't all bad,

though. There are

a lot of bright spots in there. More later.

Harper

[Guest guest]

Cheryl,

I'm so sorry you are having all of these problems. You deserve so much

better. We are here for you. Please let us know what we can do to help,

even if it is just to vent.

Debbie (Tommy's Mom)

> [Original Message]

> From: Cheryl <lrb@...>

> Liver Support Group < >

> Date: 3/23/01 1:01:12 AM

> Subject: [ ] Test results

>

> Hello Everyone,

> I'm back from my ERCP. It went OK. Just had severe gas pains for

> a

> few hours and had to lie down on my left side. But there was very

> little

> good news. I do have PSC. The doctor told my husband (I was too out

> of

> it) that he thought I had at the most five years left with this

> 42-year-old liver. I guess several of my ducts are already scarred

> over

> and others are well on their way. My LFTs were elevated a bit more

> than

> last month. I, of course, am not looking forward to all the

> complications coming up. There is the small good news that I get to

> wean

> off of the pred now since it's not going to help the liver disease.

> I

> might need to stay on a small dose for the colitis though--but maybe

> not. I am to quit the imuran right away. The doctor is reducing me

> by 5

> mg a week. At that rate, I will be off in six weeks. I think I'm

> suppose

> to start on Ursodial. The doctor told me that he didn't think the

> itch

> was caused by the liver disease since my bilirubin is normal right

> now.

> I told him that is was the liver disease and that I had done

> research

> that verifies that a person can have the liver itch without high

> bilirubin. The doctor told my husband that he has never had never

> had a

> patient who does so much research and knows so much about her

> disease. I

> must thank you all. BTW, the doctor wasn't complaining; he was

> impressed. He likes to see the articles and sometimes copies them.

> I'm not one for having " feelings. " I mean in the sense of " I had

> a

> feeling. . . " But, the truth is I did have a feeling that I had PSC

> or

> that my form of AIH was not going to respond tot he pred, so I

> wasn't

> shocked at all when the doctor told me that I did have it. Could

> someone

> try to send this message to Harper and Luanne? I don't think they

> can

> read my e-mail unless someone answers me on my message. I don't know

> what's the matter. But, I don't think they get mine when I write

> them.

> Luanne, one trick to try when dealing with the school (my ass't

> principal told me to do this when I was having trouble with a Jr

> high

> teacher) was to take out a paper and pen and tell them that you are

> writing this down. Then repeat to them what you have written. It

> does

> work quite well. I agree with many of the things that people have

> said,

> except I'm a bit concerned about whether or not Ty wants the type of

> notariety that would come with a lawyer or media coverage. If it

> wouldn't bother him, go for it. Do try to get a lawyer that will

> work on

> contigency or from the ACLU. I have spent so much money on lawyers

> the

> last two years. I hate to see you in more stress than you already

> are.

> So, don't run up attorney fees if you can possibly avoid it. Thanks

> everyone for all the support. I'll try and write some individual

> notes

> soon. I don't go into work tomorrow and then a week of spring break.

> LOL

> Cheryl ID

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Cheryl,

I am sorry to most of your news was not the type we hope for. I do however

personally deal with what is out there & known better than dealing with the

stress of what is unknown. It does seem good that they know all of this in

advance, before you reach an emergancy. That can only be to your benefit.

Enjoy your time off from school, some of the spring weather (if it is spring

where you are). April

[ ] Test results

> Hello Everyone,

> I'm back from my ERCP. It went OK. Just had severe gas pains for a

> few hours and had to lie down on my left side. But there was very little

> good news. I do have PSC. The doctor told my husband (I was too out of

> it) that he thought I had at the most five years left with this

> 42-year-old liver. I guess several of my ducts are already scarred over

> and others are well on their way. My LFTs were elevated a bit more than

> last month. I, of course, am not looking forward to all the

> complications coming up. There is the small good news that I get to wean

> off of the pred now since it's not going to help the liver disease. I

> might need to stay on a small dose for the colitis though--but maybe

> not. I am to quit the imuran right away. The doctor is reducing me by 5

> mg a week. At that rate, I will be off in six weeks. I think I'm suppose

> to start on Ursodial. The doctor told me that he didn't think the itch

> was caused by the liver disease since my bilirubin is normal right now.

> I told him that is was the liver disease and that I had done research

> that verifies that a person can have the liver itch without high

> bilirubin. The doctor told my husband that he has never had never had a

> patient who does so much research and knows so much about her disease. I

> must thank you all. BTW, the doctor wasn't complaining; he was

> impressed. He likes to see the articles and sometimes copies them.

> I'm not one for having " feelings. " I mean in the sense of " I had a

> feeling. . . " But, the truth is I did have a feeling that I had PSC or

> that my form of AIH was not going to respond tot he pred, so I wasn't

> shocked at all when the doctor told me that I did have it. Could someone

> try to send this message to Harper and Luanne? I don't think they can

> read my e-mail unless someone answers me on my message. I don't know

> what's the matter. But, I don't think they get mine when I write them.

> Luanne, one trick to try when dealing with the school (my ass't

> principal told me to do this when I was having trouble with a Jr high

> teacher) was to take out a paper and pen and tell them that you are

> writing this down. Then repeat to them what you have written. It does

> work quite well. I agree with many of the things that people have said,

> except I'm a bit concerned about whether or not Ty wants the type of

> notariety that would come with a lawyer or media coverage. If it

> wouldn't bother him, go for it. Do try to get a lawyer that will work on

> contigency or from the ACLU. I have spent so much money on lawyers the

> last two years. I hate to see you in more stress than you already are.

> So, don't run up attorney fees if you can possibly avoid it. Thanks

> everyone for all the support. I'll try and write some individual notes

> soon. I don't go into work tomorrow and then a week of spring break. LOL

> Cheryl ID

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Cheryl, I am sorry that you did not have the test results that we so wanted for you. Please have a great spring break.

Rosemary

[Guest guest]

Kim:

I have been battling for a diagnosis for years...... My TSH and T4 were normal also..... and that was all they measured when I too asked for a "Full" panel......

Well after 10 yrs I have finally been diagnosed with Hypothyroidism...... REGARDLESS of those stupid blood test results.....

I have also been told that I suffer from "'s Syndrome" that is where the body produces sufficient T4 but it does not convert to T3..... which is more important than the T4 from what I understand!

Personally I would go to another Doctor..... Your going to have better luck if you visit an ND or an Osteopath (DO)....

HTH.... Don't give up yet!!!!

Kathie

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Kim and Kathy:

1-'s syndrome is a circumstance whereby Dr. had all these patients dying on his doorstep with thyroid disorders but all had "normal" blood tests. For this medically trained person, brainwashed to believe that blood tests had some relevance, he was confused.

2-To convert T4 to T3 requires selenium,zinc, B6 and few other nutrients BUT the big hassle is that the conversion sites, the liver, peripheral tissues must be capable of conversion, meaning not wiped out by mercury or pesticide or environmental toxins or huge drug residues.

3-Its never so simple as ...T4 won't convert to T3, there is always a cascade of physiological events that need consideration.

4-We cover these problems at www.thyrodine.com

However, I'll end this with some further data that you may find hekpful.

Earl

's syndrome is an anomaly not a condition!Dr. [medically trained] had a number of patients who exhibited all the symptoms of thyroid dysfunction. The blood tests however were all "normal."So, the anomaly is...Dr. concluded that these people were OK or were disturbed or imagining their symptoms, since their blood tests indicated that their thyroid function was..."normal."Probable facts:1-most women and many men DO have symptoms of thyroid dysfunction2-blood tests are highly inaccurate and do not reflect the condition of the thyroid3-auto-immune dysfunctions are experienced by a huge number of people4-auto-immune dysfunctions are conditions where the immune system makes antibodies that destroy the thyroid gland [or other systems]5-the big question therefore is..... why does the immune system, in its wisdom, make antibodies that destroy the thyroid gland?6-orthodox practitioners admit that they do not know the reason for auto-immune dysfunctions 7-scientific researchers have established that the causes of auto-immune dysfunctions are... a-presence of herpes virus [including Epstein-Barr virus, cytomegalovirus]that invades thyroid [or other systems] and injects viral DNA into the cell nucleus which then produces viral DNA which is a foreign protein or not self...and the immune system then makes antibodies to destroy the not self. b-presence of Candida or 'the fluke' or giardia or an STD or chlamydia or any other viral, bacterial, mycotoxin or yeast infiltration. These invaders take up residence and proliferate, secreting endotoxins. The immune system perceives this activity as not self and makes antibodies to destroy the invaded cells. c-presence of toxins, such as: mercury [amalgam fillings], chlorine or fluoride in water, excessive radiation [cell phones, computers, TV or cell phone towers], 8-Stages of auto-immune dysfunctions: a-the first stage of destruction is where huge quantities of thyroid hormone are released due to the invasion [both infection and inflammation] and consequent destruction of thyroid tissues. This is termed hyperthyroidism. It may also be called Graves Disease, it may also be called Hashimoto's thyroiditis. Researchers admit they can't denote any real differences in these syndromes. 1]-orthodox practitioners have only one approach to hyperthyroidism....destroy the gland!!!! 2]-cytomel or RAI or surgery are the only therapies offered by orthodox practitioners. 3]-these "therapies" address only the symptoms and do not acknowledge the causes. b-the second stage of destruction is denoted by "normal" thyroid function but with drastic symptoms of thyroid dysfunction. "Normal function" means that destruction has evolved to the point where a fairly 'normal' amount of T4 is being secreted....but gland destruction is accelerating. c-the final stage of thyroid destruction occurs and is characterized by hypothyroidism or inadequate production of T4.NOTE: it is possible in many cases that simple deficiencies of iodine, selenium, zinc, B6, magnesium, trace elements can result in inadequate production of T4. This is a simple hypothyroidism and can be readily corrected [not by symthetic or pig replacement] by supplying the required nutrients...Thyrodine. Our experience however indicates that auto-immune dysfunctions greatly predominate.9-The intelligent approach to auto-immune dysfunctions involves... a-elimination of the pathogenic micro-organisms that cause the auto-immune dysfunction b-clearing the gut of toxic debris and killed micro-organisms c-re-establishing the normal intestinal bacteria and restoring the gut wall integrity d-restoring thyroid function e-regulating all hormonal secretions with a powerful Peruvian, Brazilian, Chinese herbal formula. f-it may be necessary to implement a mercury elimination program g-a Biogenic Nutritional Program provides the needed nutritional guidance to accomplish the regenerative task along with the herbs and biologicals.10-These factors are contained in...1-the Thyroid Regeneration Protocol...which restores thyroid function2-the Hormone Regeneration Protocol...which restores all hormonal imbalancesAll of these details are further elaborated at... www.thyrodine.comEarl

-----Original Message-----From: Kathie Kazlauskas [mailto:kathie@...]Sent: Wednesday, 4 July 2001 07:40hypothyroidism Subject: Re: test results

Kim:

I have been battling for a diagnosis for years...... My TSH and T4 were normal also..... and that was all they measured when I too asked for a "Full" panel......

Well after 10 yrs I have finally been diagnosed with Hypothyroidism...... REGARDLESS of those stupid blood test results.....

I have also been told that I suffer from "'s Syndrome" that is where the body produces sufficient T4 but it does not convert to T3..... which is more important than the T4 from what I understand!

Personally I would go to another Doctor..... Your going to have better luck if you visit an ND or an Osteopath (DO)....

HTH.... Don't give up yet!!!!

Kathie

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for the encouragement Kathie :-)

I am planning to go and see an endocrinologist this week, even without the

referral, to see if that will help. I'm a New Zealander living in Malaysia

and unfortunately I don't know of any ND's or DO's here, although there are

a lot of people practicing Chinese medicine. I'll keep you posted and

hopefully will have a diagnosis soon :-)

Kim

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the encouragement Kathie and no, I won't give up :-)

I am planning to go and see an endocrinologist this week, even without the

referral, and will see how that goes. I'm a New Zealander living in

Malaysia

and unfortunately I don't know of any ND's or DO's here, although there are

a lot of people practicing Chinese medicine. I'll keep you posted and

hopefully will have a diagnosis (and a solution) soon :-)

Kim

[Guest guest]

Kim:

A formal diagnosis of thyroid disorder is like looking for a snake in an

elephant pen.

There is no way a medically trained person can make such a diagnosis, not

from the tools they presently have available.

Temperature and symptoms remain the best methods.

We need to stop relying on medically trained personnel and be more

responsible for our own symptoms and remedies.

Earl

test results

Well, I got my test results back yesterday and was very disappointed.

Although they said they would do a full thyroid study, they only measured

T4 and TSH and both came back very normal.

The actual results were:

T4 88.1 NMOL/L 64-167

TSH 2.42 UIU/ML 0.3-5.1

Does this mean I definitely don't have a thyroid problem or should I push

for more testing ? I have so many of the symptoms that I just can't

believe nothing at all is wrong.

Also, I was so glad to see Earl's posts, as I had found thyrodine on the

net and was looking for more information on it. Thanks Earl :-) I am

thinking of trying the thyroid regeneration programme but am a little

worried about doing it without a formal diagnosis at least.

Kim

[Guest guest]

Kim,

You may ask about Hashimitto's (spelling). It is a thyroid disease...the

TSH's can come back normal one day and the next day or week later they drop

or increase. Your TSH fluctuates . After surgery they told me I had it and

I made my sister go and get tested for it....her first TSH came back normal

but b/c of me...they did a sampling testing over a month or weeks, I am not

sure...but she was also diagnosed for it. It is genetic. She is taking

Luvox???or something for it..

chris

test results

> Hi everyone,

>

> Here are the results of my tests:

>

> anti thyroglobulin .......... negative

> ant thyroid micromsomal .......... negative

> TSH .......1.8 (0.49 - 4.67)

> T3........... 1.18 (0.8 - 2.0)

> T4 .......... 8.29 (4.5 - 12)

>

> Everything looks so normal and the endo says she wants me to do a glucose

> fasting test to see if I am hypoglycemic. Apparently symptoms of

> hypoglycemia can mimic thyroid problems. I'd very much appreciate any

> thoughts or comments.

>

> Thanks,

> Kim

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Chris:

Hashimoto's Thyroiditis is NOT hereditary.

Thats the way the current medical establishment explains processes for which

it has no other clues.

All blood tests for thyroid function are notoriously inaccurate and are a

waste of time.

You can determine a thyroid disorder by taking underarm temperature for 3 or

4 days away from period or ovulation. Temp of 96 or 97 indicate possible

thyroid disorder. 98.6 is considered " normal. "

Then look at symptoms. These are a better way of determining if a thyroid

disorder exists.

Earl

Grave's Disease

The Thyroid Regeneration protocol is for any dysfunction of the thyroid

gland. The following will elaborate on that strategy.

In reviewing the literature on Graves Disease, [or Hashimotos..as no one

knows the difference] it is evident that...

1-no one seems to know the cause

2-it is presumed to be at least partly hereditary [because orthodoxy doesn't

know any other reason]

3-the " therapy " offered is to inhibit or destroy the thyroid gland...[and

take drugs forever after]

What is Graves' Disease? [orthodox explanation]

The leading cause of hyperthyroidism, Graves' disease, represents a basic

defect in the immune system [??], causing production of immunoglobulins

(antibodies) which stimulate and attack the thyroid gland, causing growth of

the gland and overproduction of thyroid hormone. Similar antibodies may also

attack the tissues in the eye muscles and in the pretibial skin (the skin on

the front of the lower leg).

Now when a study is done of auto-immune dysfunctions and one asks...why does

the immune system make antibodies against thyroid tissues, orthodoxy comes

up with, 1-unknown, 2-hereditary, 3-somehow the gland becomes " not self " and

invites immune destruction.

The " answer " to Graves Disease is:

1-to eliminate the pathogenic invader that is causing the auto-immune

reaction.

2-to clear the gut and liver of excess toxic residues

3-to re-implant the normal intestinal bacteria in the gut

4-to supply the raw materials [nutrients] that the thyroid requires to make

T4 and to convert as much of T4 to T3 as is needed. [Thyrodine does

precisely this].

This is what the Thyroid Regeneration Protocol is designed to do.

Hit and miss destructive drugs or surgical mutilation only address the

symptoms without ever asking the crucial question...why does this condition

exist?

The Thyroid Regeneration Protocol addresses the cause of Graves Disease,

by..

1-using ImmunoGuard [a natural antibiotic] to eliminate any pathogenic

organisms that may have invaded thyroid tissues which invoke the

auto-immune process.

2-Intesto-Lin: a combination of herbs and biologicals around linseed fiber

that clears the gut of toxic debris, killed pathogenic micro-organisms and

begins the repair process of the gut wall.

3-Lactobacillus-8: a bacterial culture of 8 different powerful bacteria to

re-inhabit the intestines to suppress any pathogenic organisms, create

antibiotics and synthesize 'B' vitamins.

Biomodulin supplies soil borne organisms that appear to have a regenerating

effect upon the gut wall. see Pacific International Nutrition, Auckland]

4-Thyrodine: designed around a biologically available source of iodine, all

the nutrients, vitamins, minerals, and amino acids are provided to allow the

thyroid to produce all its required hormones. [some researchers postulate

more than the usually recognized T4 and T3]

5-if amalgam is present, then chlorella tabs and Vitamin C are indicated to

remove mercury from the tissues until the mercury can be properly removed by

a skilled dentist.

6-ProgestSpray: a natural progesterone in vitamin E oil with adrenal stress

herbs, vitex agnus castus to stimulate progesterone synthesis and coleus

forskolii to help protect heart and thyroid...or

Catumaca [an herbal " regulator " ] may be indicated for any woman who

experiences PMS, menopausal symptoms or any gynecological problems. Catumaca

is an herbal formula that powerully stimulates the body to secrete whichever

hormones are required. No hormone replacement is needed when the herbal

'regulator' is utilized.

7-Biogenic Greens are indicated for supreme concentrated nutrition.

8-Included with the protocol is the Biogenic Nutritional Guide...which makes

suggestions for healthy nutrition and avoidance of the " foods " that create

disease.

I hope this answers your question about Graves Disease. It is no longer a

" great mystery disease. " It is simply an auto-immune dysfunction that the

Thyroid Regeneration protocol will eliminate.

Re: test results

Kim,

You may ask about Hashimitto's (spelling). It is a thyroid disease...the

TSH's can come back normal one day and the next day or week later they drop

or increase. Your TSH fluctuates . After surgery they told me I had it and

I made my sister go and get tested for it....her first TSH came back normal

but b/c of me...they did a sampling testing over a month or weeks, I am not

sure...but she was also diagnosed for it. It is genetic. She is taking

Luvox???or something for it..

chris

test results

> Hi everyone,

>

> Here are the results of my tests:

>

> anti thyroglobulin .......... negative

> ant thyroid micromsomal .......... negative

> TSH .......1.8 (0.49 - 4.67)

> T3........... 1.18 (0.8 - 2.0)

> T4 .......... 8.29 (4.5 - 12)

>

> Everything looks so normal and the endo says she wants me to do a glucose

> fasting test to see if I am hypoglycemic. Apparently symptoms of

> hypoglycemia can mimic thyroid problems. I'd very much appreciate any

> thoughts or comments.

>

> Thanks,

> Kim

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Earl,

I have to disagree with you about the hereditary thing.... My husbands

family has out of six people that paticular form of disfunction... Now my

daughter has been dignosed with the same. Unless they are freaks... I think

it is definately hereditary!

Debbie

[Guest guest]

Debbie:

There are obviously some weaknesses that abide in families. But when

medicine wants to attribute almost every disease to heredity, that just

doesn't hold up.

Earl

Re: test results

Dear Earl,

I have to disagree with you about the hereditary thing.... My husbands

family has out of six people that paticular form of disfunction... Now my

daughter has been dignosed with the same. Unless they are freaks... I think

it is definately hereditary!

Debbie