test results

[Guest guest]

high DHEA is very common and means she needs cortisol---blood tests for

cortisol are meaningless but the DHEA means something. Durrant Peatfield MD

writes about this.

Gracia

Venizia,

Tell your doctor when you took the meds. He should be able to work back

from that.

No clue on the DHEA, although high readings are somewhat rare. Since it

is made in the adrenal glands, it could indicate an abnormality there.

Any other adrenal hormones out of whack?

Chuck

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nelsonck@... writes:

I did take Armour the day of the test (by mistake) So I am going to

have to mention that to my doctor when I see him on Thurs

Hi all...I'm basically a lurker but have been having trouble getting on the

right dose of Armour. Will be having blood work in a couple of weeks to see

if dosage etc. is OK. Should I take my Armour on the morning of the test??

Thanks.

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[Guest guest]

Gracia,

You wrote:

>

> high DHEA is very common and means she needs cortisol---blood tests for

> cortisol are meaningless but the DHEA means something. Durrant Peatfield

> MD writes about this.

Where does Durrant-Peatfield document that it is common? Here are the

documented causes in order of frequency of occurrence, none of which are

all that common:

Congenital adrenal hyperplasia (pregnanetriol may also be elevated)

Adult-onset adrenal hyperplasia (pregnanetriol may also be elevated)

Adrenal neoplasm

High-dose pregnenolone supplementation

Since DHEA is also controlled by the pituitary, excess can also come

from pituitary problems, but these usually manifest in other areas

first, such as the thyroid.

BTW, isn't Dr. Durrant-Peatfield's medical license still under

suspension for improper diagnostic procedures and unapproved hormone

treatments?

Chuck

[Guest guest]

HI Chuck

Dr Peatfield is now retired as a GP. He relinquished his registration

with the GMC several years ago and is now a practicing complementary

therapist in the field of nutrition. He provides full advice in the

treatment of metabolic illness and the role of nutritional

supplements.

There are a growing number of doctors who (thank heavens) dare to go

against the recommended diagnostic and treatment protocol of medical

boards throughout the world. Dr Peatfield makes a diagnosis based on

his findings, by looking at symptoms, signs, clinical examnation,

listening to his patients' story and taking TFT's into account. He

does not toe the party line by basing his diagnosis on TFT's alone,

nor does he treat using the inactive hormone thyroxine only. He

recommends the appropriate medication he feels is suitable for the

patients specific needs.

Do you believe his diagnostic procedures and " unapproved " hormone

treatments are " improper " ?

Sheila

> BTW, isn't Dr. Durrant-Peatfield's medical license still under

> suspension for improper diagnostic procedures and unapproved

hormone

> treatments?

>

> Chuck

>

[Guest guest]

the thing is, if he is recommending actual medication- then he is practicing

medicine without a license and since he lost his license- he could be breaking

the law and if he is caught could be sent to prison.

From: campaigner77

Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 2:02 AM

hypothyroidism

Subject: Re: test results

HI Chuck

Dr Peatfield is now retired as a GP. He relinquished his registration

with the GMC several years ago and is now a practicing complementary

therapist in the field of nutrition. He provides full advice in the

treatment of metabolic illness and the role of nutritional

supplements.

There are a growing number of doctors who (thank heavens) dare to go

against the recommended diagnostic and treatment protocol of medical

boards throughout the world. Dr Peatfield makes a diagnosis based on

his findings, by looking at symptoms, signs, clinical examnation,

listening to his patients' story and taking TFT's into account. He

does not toe the party line by basing his diagnosis on TFT's alone,

nor does he treat using the inactive hormone thyroxine only. He

recommends the appropriate medication he feels is suitable for the

patients specific needs.

Do you believe his diagnostic procedures and " unapproved " hormone

treatments are " improper " ?

Sheila

> BTW, isn't Dr. Durrant-Peatfield's medical license still under

> suspension for improper diagnostic procedures and unapproved

hormone

> treatments?

>

> Chuck

>

[Guest guest]

OOPS, I thought I was posting on group.

Bev

>

> Hi all,

> Take a gander at these test results.. This is as high as it's been

> in years for my cortisol test. Would using hydrocortisone cream

> causes it to go up or using Pregnenlone for two weeks?

>

> 17OH Progestero 44 18 yrs & older less than 207

> Follicular 15-70

> Luteal 35-290

>

> DHEA-SULFATE 147 26-200 ug/dL

> Estriol, serum 0.02 nonpregnant female less than 0.08

ng/mL

> SHBG 83 30-135 nmol/L

> testosterone 30 9-55 ng/dL

> testoster, free 2.7 1.1-5.8 pg/mL

> estrog/estradio 13.9(A) postmenopausal 0.0 -44.5 pg/mL

> progesterone 1.20( postmenopausal 0.00-0.73 ng/mL

>

> cortisol 14.9© 0800 Hours: 5-23 mcg/dL

> 2000 Hours: less than 50% of 0800 level

>

> I hope these come through right. These results look very good

> except for symptoms I'm having, like my blood pressure is starting

> go back up, it hasn't since I had cushings, getting the blood

spots

> on my back, there are other things that I can't think of right

this

> minute. My cortisol results are usually right below range or

> borderline low.

> Bev

> Bev

>

[Guest guest]

I had that Quest test done then I had an ALCAT GI Stool Profile test.

The Quest did not show parasites nor much yeast overgrowth. The ALCAT

showed parasites plus higher yeast.

[Guest guest]

Yes but the dam Dr. put you on TRT with out checking to see why your so low. LH

fires on and off fast so it's had to tell if it was off on this test. But your

FSH shows me your not having a pituitary problem. But with levels at 147 your

LH and FSH should be at the top of the range asking for more testosterone.

Here is what you need to do try to find out why your low check your liver,

Cortisol a morning fasting test, more Thyroid labs. Here is a link to the labs

I tell men to get.

Adding to this list Total T3 and T4.

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=5 & t=7059

You just need to know why your low to find out if your secondary meaning your

Pituitary is not working right do a Clomid Stim. test you can read about this in

this link.

http://www.aace.com/pub/pdf/guidelines/hypogonadism.pdf

Don't worry about your Free T and % of T this is only 2% or your Total and 2% of

147 as to 2% or say 800 is a big difference.

If your Cortisol levels come back at 15 or lower this would mean your low and

need more testing read this link in it they talk about the 4x's in a day saliva

test.

http://livingnetwork.co.za/hormones/adrenal-fatigue/

As for you androgel your Dr. should have tested you in 2 weeks on this to be

sure it's working and your levels are going up. Some men end up going lower on

this dose. It's going to be hard to figure out why your this low because your

Dr. put you on TRT. But there are still ways to figure this out. If I were you

and your not doing better on 5 grams of gel up it to 10 call your Dr. tell him

you don't feel any better.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: max_just_max <errolmacky@...>

> Subject: Test results

>

> Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 7:34 PM

> I just got my test results from my

> urologist.  These were b/4 using Androgel.  I have

> been using androgel for about 35 days now.  the 5 gram

> packets.  Haven't had an additional test.  Haven't

> noticed anything happening.  Can you make anything of

> this?  Should anything else have been tested? 

> MAX

>

> TEST        RESULT     

>         RANGE FOR AGE 58 

> T TOTAL      147       

>          250-1100  NG/DL

> T FREE %     2.88     

>          

> 1.5-2.2   %

> T FREE       42.3   

>             35-155 

>   PG/ML

> LH           2.9 

>            

>    1.5-9.3   MIU/ML

> FSH          5.1   

>          

>    1.6-8     MIU/ML

> PROLACTIN    13         

>         2-18      NG/ML

> TSH 3RD GEN  2.2         

>        .4-4.50 MIU/L

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 04:24:42 -0000, you wrote:

>Hi Gents,

>

> I've been around for a short period of time and am really getting lots of

info from you folks. Thank you.

> Just got blood work back from LabCorp and am looking for help from anyone

willing to offer it.

>

>FSH 22.9

>TSH 3.300

>Test, Serum 200

>Free Test, 248

>T3 78

>Thyroxine Binding Gl 11

>Iron 338

>

>Any help here would be appreciated.

>

>Rob

Units and ranges for these would be helpful.

[Guest guest]

Robin,

YOu are currently under the care of one of the best teams out there for HRT.

Once you come into your appointment everything will be explained and proper

steps will be taken to get you and your wife back to optimal health.

>

> Hi Gents,

>

> I've been around for a short period of time and am really getting lots of

info from you folks. Thank you.

> Just got blood work back from LabCorp and am looking for help from anyone

willing to offer it.

>

> FSH 22.9

> TSH 3.300

> Test, Serum 200

> Free Test, 248

> T3 78

> Thyroxine Binding Gl 11

> Iron 338

>

> Any help here would be appreciated.

>

> Rob

>

[Guest guest]

Okie Dokie.

Just anxious to figure this all out.

Thanks

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Re: Test results

Robin,

YOu are currently under the care of one of the best teams out there for HRT.

Once you come into your appointment everything will be explained and proper

steps will be taken to get you and your wife back to optimal health.

>

> Hi Gents,

>

> I've been around for a short period of time and am really getting lots of

info from you folks. Thank you.

> Just got blood work back from LabCorp and am looking for help from anyone

willing to offer it.

>

> FSH 22.9

> TSH 3.300

> Test, Serum 200

> Free Test, 248

> T3 78

> Thyroxine Binding Gl 11

> Iron 338

>

> Any help here would be appreciated.

>

> Rob

>

[Guest guest]

I need the units on them labs with the ranges to help you. If your labs are

like mine with a low T and high FSH your testis are not working right and your

brain is asking for more Testosterone by sending a lot of FSH and if you would

have tested LH this would be high also. Do see a Uro and have your testis and

Prostate checked out before going on TRT.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Robin <rjamestemple@...>

> Subject: Test results

>

> Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 11:24 PM

> Hi Gents,

>

>   I've been around for a short period of time and am

> really getting lots of info from you folks. Thank you.

>   Just got blood work back from LabCorp and am looking

> for help from anyone willing to offer it.

>

> FSH 22.9       

> TSH 3.300

> Test, Serum 200

> Free Test, 248

> T3 78

> Thyroxine Binding Gl 11

> Iron 338

>

> Any help here would be appreciated.

>

> Rob

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Gents,

   Here are the units and ranges.

FSH   22.9     (1.4 - 18.1)

Testosterone, Serum (total)     248     (350 - 1030)

% Free Testosterone           1.4        (1.5 - 3.2)

Free Testosterone            35           (52 - 280)

CBG Free Cortisol        3.4          8AM (8.0 - 19)

Cortisol, Serum            11            8AM (8.0 - 15)

LH                       

7.0                     (1.5 - 9.3)

FSH                     22.9              (1.4

- 18)

Dihydrotestosterone          15      (30 - 85)

TSH                     3.300           (0.450 -

4.500)

Estradiaol              10                (3 - 70)

T4                       1.15            

(0.82 - 1.77)

DHEA               157                 (42 - 290)

PSA                 4.0                  (0.0 -

4.0)

Testosterone, Serum         200      (241 - 827)

T4        5.5                  (4.5 - 12.0)

Triiodothyroine   T3        78       (83 - 200)

Thyroxine Binding        11     (13 - 39)

Ferritin                   338          (22 - 322)

One month ago I had blood tests taken through Life Extension lab:

PSA         4.0           (0.0 - 4.0)

Estradiol    58             (0 - 53)

Testosterone, Serum   656     (241 - 827)

A few weeks back I stopped taking DHEA, Androgel and Super Mira Forte because of

elevated PSA and a very high estradiol. I am now taking a half dose of Androgel

for the time being and doing sort of ok on that. Hardasnails is helping me

through all this and I'm going to see Doctor O in the near future. In the

meantime I would appreciated any comments you guys might have concerning all

this. I am 63 and now realize that I have had low testosterone levels my

entire life. It is sad that none of the docs I have seen in my life time never

picked up on any of this.

Thanks gents,

Rob 

________________________________

From: " retrogrouch@... " <retrogrouch@...>

Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 11:37:05 PM

Subject: Re: Test results

 

On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 04:24:42 -0000, you wrote:

>Hi Gents,

>

> I've been around for a short period of time and am really getting lots of info

from you folks. Thank you.

> Just got blood work back from LabCorp and am looking for help from anyone

willing to offer it.

>

>FSH 22.9

>TSH 3.300

>Test, Serum 200

>Free Test, 248

>T3 78

>Thyroxine Binding Gl 11

>Iron 338

>

>Any help here would be appreciated.

>

>Rob

Units and ranges for these would be helpful.

[Guest guest]

Rob your Testosterone came up but so did your Estradiol levels and this will

keep you from feeling better Hard is dam good at this and will help you to get

this down.

I see a problem with your Adrenals and Thyroid and Hard us great with this

problem also but here is a good link about this.

http://livingnetwork.co.za/hormones/adrenal-fatigue/

And when your Estradiol levels are up this can make your PSA look high still you

need to keep an eye on it.

And yes it's sad what Dr.'s miss read my story you will see what a mess you can

get into from Dr.'s not finding out whats wrong.

I am dam lucky to be here talking to you they dam near lost me last winter.

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=5 & t=9239

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> >Hi Gents,

> >

> > I've been around for a short period of time and am

> really getting lots of info from you folks. Thank you.

> > Just got blood work back from LabCorp and am looking

> for help from anyone willing to offer it.

> >

> >FSH 22.9

> >TSH 3.300

> >Test, Serum 200

> >Free Test, 248

> >T3 78

> >Thyroxine Binding Gl 11

> >Iron 338

> >

> >Any help here would be appreciated.

> >

> >Rob

>

> Units and ranges for these would be helpful.

>

>

>

>

>      

>

>

[Guest guest]

Phil,

Thank you.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Re: Test results

Rob your Testosterone came up but so did your Estradiol levels and this will

keep you from feeling better Hard is dam good at this and will help you to get

this down.

I see a problem with your Adrenals and Thyroid and Hard us great with this

problem also but here is a good link about this.

http://livingnetwork.co.za/hormones/adrenal-fatigue/

And when your Estradiol levels are up this can make your PSA look high still you

need to keep an eye on it.

And yes it's sad what Dr.'s miss read my story you will see what a mess you can

get into from Dr.'s not finding out whats wrong.

I am dam lucky to be here talking to you they dam near lost me last winter.

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=5 & t=9239

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> >Hi Gents,

> >

> > I've been around for a short period of time and am

> really getting lots of info from you folks. Thank you.

> > Just got blood work back from LabCorp and am looking

> for help from anyone willing to offer it.

> >

> >FSH 22.9

> >TSH 3.300

> >Test, Serum 200

> >Free Test, 248

> >T3 78

> >Thyroxine Binding Gl 11

> >Iron 338

> >

> >Any help here would be appreciated.

> >

> >Rob

>

> Units and ranges for these would be helpful.

>

>

>

>

>      

>

>

[Guest guest]

Bridget,

Tests for strep throat are also another infectious disease test that is not

accurate and that doctors should be able to readily relate to.

On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 11:56 AM, bridget <blueyes7648@...> wrote:

>

>

> So I was fuming last night, just thinking about my family doctor a couple

> weeks ago saying I supposedly was diagnosed with lyme, but got a negative

> result from the CDC, well I thought of a good one for people to say if their

> doc gives them crap, I know people that have had negative pregnancy tests

> time after time when they were indeed pregnant, so maybe tests aren't always

> accurate!!!!! Just thought I'd throw that out there, kinda makes you think,

> just because it doesn't show a positive test, doesn't mean there isn't

> something there.

> Bridget

>

>

>

--

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[Guest guest]

The CDC itself is emphatic that a " CDC positive " is NOT required to diagnose

Lyme. They insist that clinical symptoms should be enough to justify treatment.

The " CDC positive " standard was developed ONLY for the purpose of screening

people for research studies, which require that you find people that meet the

narrowest standard of the disease. What you need in a research patient and

what's needed to diagnose a regular everyday Lyme patient are two different

things. Unfortunately, a lot of doctors don't understand this, even though the

CDC has said it repeatedly.

I'm sure this has to do with the political climate. As long as doctors are

persecuted for treating Lyme, they're going to withhold treatment unless they've

got paperwork up the wazoo justifying their diagnosis if they called on the

carpet. Two or three CDC-positive tests are powerful protection in court. " I

recognized the symptoms based on my own clinical judgment " leaves them flapping

in the breeze.

The CDC's statement on this is easy enough to find on the Lyme boards. If you

don't think your doctor gets this, print it out and take it in.

Sara

On Jan 24, 2010, at 8:56 34AM, bridget wrote:

> So I was fuming last night, just thinking about my family doctor a couple

weeks ago saying I supposedly was diagnosed with lyme, but got a negative result

from the CDC, well I thought of a good one for people to say if their doc gives

them crap, I know people that have had negative pregnancy tests time after time

when they were indeed pregnant, so maybe tests aren't always accurate!!!!! Just

thought I'd throw that out there, kinda makes you think, just because it doesn't

show a positive test, doesn't mean there isn't something there.

> Bridget

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> Lyme Disease News continually updated from thousands of sources around the

> net: http://www.topix.net/health/lyme-disease

>

> MedWorm: The latest items on: Lyme Disease

> http://tinyurl.com/23dgy8

>

[Guest guest]

So true - and another thing to be aware of is that most labs that your typical

doc will use (not Igenex or similar - but lab corp, quest, etc.)only test for

one strain - and it is probably the east coast strain. No wonder doctors think

it does not exist in CA - it does exist - the test just don't test for it, which

makes it look like it does not exist!! Furthermore, another reason why they

distrust the higher positive rate that igenex gets - if you did not know this

you would think somehting is up with the igenex test. It makes a lot of sense

when you know this. Igenex just finally test for many strains and which coast

you were infected on! We need to make doctors aware of this and change this -

all labs should test for more than one strain! Why should people on the W.

coast take a test for the E. coast strain only. It makes absolutely NO

sense!!!!!!!!!!

>

> So I was fuming last night, just thinking about my family doctor a couple

weeks ago saying I supposedly was diagnosed with lyme, but got a negative result

from the CDC, well I thought of a good one for people to say if their doc gives

them crap, I know people that have had negative pregnancy tests time after time

when they were indeed pregnant, so maybe tests aren't always accurate!!!!! Just

thought I'd throw that out there, kinda makes you think, just because it doesn't

show a positive test, doesn't mean there isn't something there.

> Bridget

>

[Guest guest]

The controversy over lab testing, different strains etc. is very well covered

in Cure Unknown by Pamela Weintraub. Lyme & co-infections cannot diagnosed by

any currently available lab tests. Which is one reason why so many people go

untreated or under treated who are infected. These infections have to be

treated based on ruling out other causes and then by symptoms (clinical

evidence)--which is usually not the way MDs are trained to practice medicine

these days--which is all about test results, not the patients symptoms.

Kim

[ ] Re: test results

So true - and another thing to be aware of is that most labs that your typical

doc will use (not Igenex or similar - but lab corp, quest, etc.)only test for

one strain - and it is probably the east coast strain. No wonder doctors think

it does not exist in CA - it does exist - the test just don't test for it, which

makes it look like it does not exist!! Furthermore, another reason why they

distrust the higher positive rate that igenex gets - if you did not know this

you would think somehting is up with the igenex test. It makes a lot of sense

when you know this. Igenex just finally test for many strains and which coast

you were infected on! We need to make doctors aware of this and change this -

all labs should test for more than one strain! Why should people on the W.

coast take a test for the E. coast strain only. It makes absolutely NO

sense!!!!!!!!!!

>

> So I was fuming last night, just thinking about my family doctor a couple

weeks ago saying I supposedly was diagnosed with lyme, but got a negative result

from the CDC, well I thought of a good one for people to say if their doc gives

them crap, I know people that have had negative pregnancy tests time after time

when they were indeed pregnant, so maybe tests aren't always accurate!!!!! Just

thought I'd throw that out there, kinda makes you think, just because it doesn't

show a positive test, doesn't mean there isn't something there.

> Bridget

>

[Guest guest]

Last week I had my Thyroid function test results back

This is the first time I have ever asked for the results

I have been on thyroxine for about 14 years.

I have not been tested for 12 months.

The results were as follows:

Free T4 16.4

on 24/2/09 it was 15.0

and on 1/12/08 ?

The TSH was .61

24/2/09 1.23

1/12/08 6.11

Why do we not get a figure for T3?

I am in Sth Aust.

I am told that these results are within the normal range, so any issues I

may have with weight or whatever must be because I overeat and do not

exercise!

What am I to make of all this?

[Guest guest]

What they are supposed to order for you are Free T3 and Free T4. They always

order TSH.

What they are supposed to give you is a full copy of the lab report, complete

with your results and the lab ranges. This is not really enough information

because different labs have different ranges. I don't know why, they just do.

<>Roni

Immortality exists!

It's called knowledge!

 

Just because something isn't seen

doesn't mean it's not there<>

From: Parsons <loradora10@...>

Subject: Re: test results

hypothyroidism

Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 11:47 PM

Last week I had my Thyroid function test results back

This is the first time I have ever asked for the results

I have been on thyroxine for about 14 years.

I have not been tested for 12 months.

The results were as follows:

Free T4                    16.4

on 24/2/09 it was     15.0

and on 1/12/08          ?

The TSH was  .61

24/2/09          1.23

1/12/08         6.11

Why do we not get a figure for T3?

I am in Sth Aust.

I am told that these results are within the normal range, so any issues I

may have with weight or whatever must be because I overeat and do not

exercise!

What am I to make of all this?

[Guest guest]

This is what I have for results of his latest (2 weeks back) blood test. Not

sure what it all is - maybe some here are more familiar..

TSH  5.01         0.35 - 4.94 mlU/L

then this paragraph:Asymptomatic patients should generally not be screened for

thyroid disease (exceptions include pregnant, post-partum or post-menopausal

women). Thyroid function in patients with suspected thyroid disease is best

assessed with the TSH as the sole screening test. It is not appropriate to order

free T4 and or free T3 in addition to TSH in the initial screen.

Que?  wish I was at the appt. to ask some questions about this. Souunds to me

like he had only a minimal screen.

-Sharon

From: <res075oh@...>

Subject: Re: passing out, racing heart

hypothyroidism

Received: Sunday, May 9, 2010, 12:23 PM

 

If you put " cholesterol and hypothyroidism " into Google you will get a

lot of hits. As with so many things on the internet some are probably

factual and some not.

..

..

<http://www.google. com/search? hl=en & source= hp & q=cholesterol +and+hypothyroid

ism & aq=0sx & aqi=g-sx1g- msx1 & aql= & oq=cholosterol+ and+hypo & gs_rfai=>

..

..

Luck,

..

..

>

> Posted by: " Terry " Katarrah4comcast (DOT) net

> <mailto:Katarrah4comcast (DOT) net?Subject=%20Re% 3A%20passing% 20out%2C%

20racing% 20heart>

> katarrah5 <http://profiles. / katarrah5>

>

>

> Sat May 8, 2010 1:02 pm (PDT)

>

>

>

> Roni... is it documented somewhere about the undertreated thyroid

> causing high cholesterol? Mine jumped up dramatically when doctor

> bonehead made me hypo and told me I should stay there but now it has

> dropped dramatically since my new doctor raised me back up to where I

> was before doctor bonehead got hold to me. Thing is.. new doctor was

> totally amazed and I gather he wasn't connecting the dots. =)

>

> Thanks,

> T.

[Guest guest]

Sharon,

You wrote:

>

>

> This is what I have for results of his latest (2 weeks back) blood test.

> Not sure what it all is - maybe some here are more familiar..

> TSH 5.01 0.35 - 4.94 mlU/L

> then this paragraph:Asymptomatic patients should generally not be

> screened for thyroid disease (exceptions include pregnant, post-partum

> or post-menopausal women). Thyroid function in patients with suspected

> thyroid disease is best assessed with the TSH as the sole screening

> test. It is not appropriate to order free T4 and or free T3 in addition

> to TSH in the initial screen.

> Que?...

This is pretty typical world wide. However, a TSH of 5.01 justifies

further testing to find out why it is high. My son started T4 treatment

at a TSH of 4.0. I started at above 8.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Hi gasperpatrico and Welcome,

The patch is a pain in the A** when I was on it I needed HC cream and need to

not put the patch on the same spot for 7 days so the rash it left would heal.

I started with the 5mg patch and ended up using 2 a day. My levels started

falling like yours and my Dr. would give me a 200 mgs shot of Depo T every 2

weeks to keep my levels up.

When the Androgel came out we switched to this but in time the gel would not

keep my levels up I never to past 550. I started to get sore joints and muscles

so bad I was house bound at the time we did not know it was the gel.

I switches to shots starting at 100 mgs / wk doing my own shoots using a small

27g 1ml x 1/2 " lg. needle shooting into my thigh.

I later found out people with a Thyroid Problem end up with a Thicker Skin and

Patch's, Gels and Creams can't get the Testosterone through the skin and one

will not get good levels.

So just tell your Dr. you want to switch to shots do them your self and don't

let him tell you to do them every 2 or 3 weeks this is old and dose not work.

Also ask him to give you HCG start doing 250 IU's the 2 days each before your

next T shot doing this will keep your Testis working the best they can and all

the LH cells in your body and brain.

To help with your blood take a baby aspirin one 2x's a day and give blood. Do

your shots if you switch to them 2x's a week this helps keep your blood thinner

because your not doing a big shot all at once.

So try 50mgs 2x's a week with 250 IUs of HCG the day before each shot.

Do check your Estradiol levels they need to be down to about 20 pg/ml if high

your TRT will not work as well and you feel dam bad. Men with high levels if

Estradiol have feeling of Anxiety or even have Panic Attacks feel hot and sweat

all the time have sore and hard nipples with a big loss in there libido and ED

problems.

Here is a copy of a post to me from Dr. at www.allthingsmale.com he sent me

this to help me get my Dr. to let me try HCG go to his site and read TRT: A

Recipe for Success and His HCG Update he is one of the best hormone Dr.'s out

there.

====================================================

He probably feels that since you suffer primary hypogonadism (I am guessing)

there is no use in adding HCG to your protocol. There are several reasons why

this is not so. First, you have not lost all Leydig cells, so any HCG you take

will stimulate those who still function to produce endogenous testosterone.

This will support testicular size. We should not ignore this aesthetic

consideration.

Next, if he reads my work, he will learn that HPTA-suppressed (as all TRT

patients are to some extent) also suffer decreased pregenenolone levels, which

is the first step after CHOL in all three hormonal pathways which begin with

CHOL. HCG increases pregnenolone production, and therefore restores a more

natural balance of our hormones.

Next, nearly all TRT patients who add in HCG to their regimens report an

increased sense of well-being and also libido. These are genuine quality of life

issues.

Finally, I just instinctively do not want all those LH receptors (including

those we have yet to discover and appreciate) unstimulated.

----------------------------------------------------

This study supports what Dr. says about HCG.

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/90/5/2595

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: gasperpatrico <gasperpatrico@...>

> Subject: Test Results

>

> Date: Sunday, June 13, 2010, 6:40 PM

> I need some help interpeting my

> latest test results.I've been on test. patches for 1 year

> and my T is going down(4- 2.5 patches daily).I would like

> advice so I can talk to the doctor intelligently.Age 55

> wt.280 ht.6-4. Testosterone  310  reference

> 350-890ng/dl was 565 6 months ago.Free testosterone

> 100  reference 47-244 pg/ml Iknow my testosterone is

> low @310 but what about my free testosterone? And what

> exactly is free testosterone?Also my blood is a little thick

> doc said it should be 14 mine is 20.Would hgc help or

> possibly clomid.I'm grasping at strws here.Thanks

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

You wrote:

>

> ... FreeT4 level: 7pmol/l (lab range 12-22)

>

> TSH: 16.56 mu/l (lab range 0.25-4.0)

>

> I am in the UK so there is no option of any treatments like Armour as

> far as

> I understand it. My doctor says I have a moderate to severe case of

> hypothyroidism. I would like to know what you think.

>

The style here is more to just draw lines between euthyroid (normal),

subclinical (symptomatic but ambiguous labs), which may or may not

involve medication but often does, or hypothyroid, which definitely

requires medication. Here the line between subclinical and hypoT is

shifting lower, but all five of the doctors I have asked about this in

the last year put it around TSH 3-4, well below the top of the reference

range around 5.

In the UK, the officially recommended boundary for subclinical hypoT is

a TSH of 10.0 ! So, you are " fortunate " to be in a range that will

warrant treatment, even on that side of the pond.

A high TSH is really more of an indicator of the TIME for which you have

been symptomatic, rather than the severity of the condition. The

pituitary keeps increasing its " signal " when there is an inadequate

thyroid response. We have had a number of people report three digit TSH

scores to this list. OTOH, a long exposure to hypoT can cause

irreversible damage. A super high TSH is not a trivial event.

FT4 _can_ indicate severity. Yours is pretty low, so I would tend to

agree with the " severe " descriptor rather than " moderate. "

The standard UK treatment is a generic T4, but they will probably tend

to be very gradual in increasing the dose. You won't consistently feel

well until you get close to the proper dose, so unless you have a heart

condition, push for early tests and larger increases in the titrated dose.

Chuck