Re: Question regarding Testosterone or possibly adrenals?

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Best thing to do is to get a complete evalution of labs done for thyroid and

adrenal function

ft4

ft3

rt3

tpo

tgab

tsh

total Testosternone

shbg

progesterone

dht

estrodial sensitive not ultrasensitive

ferrtin

CBC

CMP

ceurloplasm- So many guy are over dosing on zinc

24 hour urine dhea

dhea-s

acth serum

cortisol am and free

vitamin D 25 oh

serum folate/b-12

Ha1c

cortisol salvia test

Look at lifestyle, past emotional stress, hidden infections with be in gut or

stomach, environemntal exposures, nutritoinal imbalances, sleep hygiene, over

training, how you cope with stress.

Stress is not the issue its how we respond to it that is the problem.

>

> Brief background:

>

> Was found with low T and later Lowish cortisol levels.

> My testosterone has bounced up and down from anywhere between 8 and 22 (range

8-30)

>

> Cortisol levels pretty much the same, sometimes smack in the middle sometimes

lower 1/3 of range.

>

> Did acth stim test that according to doctor was okay alltho the cortisol did

not double not even close. Went from 480 to 670. Doc said this is perfectly

normal. Some dont agree.

>

> I tried isocort. Felt better sometimes but was very much a jojo effect. Good

bad good bad etc.

>

>

> Now:

>

> I tried testogel for 1 week with 1 pill of dim. This made me feel pretty good

generally but i felt abit uneasy sometimes. Still not bad.

>

> I also have gluten intolerans and im scheduled for endoscopy and colonscopy so

i decided to go off the testogel and c if possibly an awnser to all this could

be found during my exams so i did not require trt at all perhaps.

>

> Now the following week i feel good even tho not on gel alltho with some dim

still when i felt like e2 was highish, then i start feeling really bad and have

anxiety and insomnia. My penis still okay but i have really low energy at this

point. I go back on the gel for 3 days cause me and my girlfriend having the

first weekend together for a really long time so i want it to include some sex

atleast. Feel better with gel, anxiety goes away but still not perfect.

>

> Now after weekend i come home and have the endoscopy on tuesday so i go of the

gel again thinking i want to do all these exams " clean " and possibly find the

cause for all this.. Now anxiety comes back really bad and my body aches all

over and my energy is down the drain. My scrotum is pressed really hard against

my pelvis and penis is shrivelled up. Yet this morning i had a really good

erection when waking up. Then 1hour later i could not get it up att all even

with stimulation. This never happends to me normally even when not on the gel at

all. My worst symptom is still that im feeling so god damn stressed all the time

and my face looks tight and not relaxed at all. I even got cramps in my jaw

muscles. My stomach has come to a halt and my appetite is crap. I went to the

bathroom 5 times to pee allrdy the last 5 hours.

>

> I realize that going on and off testosterone like that isent a good idea but

what is done is done.. So please dont lecture me on that

>

> Is this a normal reaction to coming of the gel? or did my adrenals somehow got

burnt out again from taking testogel for a week and then a few days again?

>

> Is anxiety and feeling stressed out with insomnia etc from low T and not

cortisol? Also i feel like my shoulers are attached to my ears these days and

not at the bottom of the neck. If low T cause all this then how can one have

good morning erection then 1 hour later no wood at all when stimulated?

>

> Ah pew sorry for rant im just abit lost right now. Is it as simple as low T ?

>

>

> Thanks in advance for you thoughts!

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Hardasnails.

Ive had most of these so ill just fill them in.

ft4: 15 or little higher sometimes (range 7-16)

ft3: 5.4 (range 3-6)

rt3 Not taken

tpo Taken last week on the way..

tgab Taken last week on the way..

tsh Taken last week on the way..

total Testosternone: between 8 and 22 on different readings (range 8-30)

shbg: 34 Range (20-48)

progesterone: smack in the middle

dht: 2.9 (range 1-2.8) high..

estrodial sensitive not ultrasensitive: 40 (range 40-120 or similar)

ferrtin: normal

CBC: normal

CMP normal

ceurloplasm- So many guy are over dosing on zinc: dont know what this is but

dont use much zink.

24 hour urine dhea: Never did dont know if available here.

dhea-s (Range 8-13)

acth serum: Never did doc says its a waist of time if you did acth stimulation

and have normal levels.

cortisol am and free: Cortisol various results: 1x450, 1x600ish (range 350-1000)

vitamin D 25 oh: 28 (range 75-150) very low so im on vitamin D3 now 8000 units

for about 2 month retested last week.

serum folate/b-12 Normal b12 dont know if this is the same test.

Ha1c: Whats this?

cortisol salvia test: Morning Low, Lunch low, Afternoon low, Evening normal.

Total day count: 15 (range: 20-45)

I did this test when i was feeling really bad. Doc says he doesent give much

thought to saliva cortisol since my serum and acth test came out normal.

As you can c i did most of the tests allrdy but doctors cant seem to find

anything strikingly wrong with me apart from the vitaminD and possibly low

testosterone at times. They claim cortisol is not a concearn from my tests.

(saliva cortisol tests were done abroad and not through doctors office). Isocort

dident really seem to help me unfortunetly.

To go back to my main question: When going of testogel could this bring on:

Anxiety, stress, shrivelling penis, ed despite morning erection, stomach cramps,

jaw cramps, feeling exhausted etc? Could it be the only thing going on here the

low T?

Thanks again!

> >

> > Brief background:

> >

> > Was found with low T and later Lowish cortisol levels.

> > My testosterone has bounced up and down from anywhere between 8 and 22

(range 8-30)

> >

> > Cortisol levels pretty much the same, sometimes smack in the middle

sometimes lower 1/3 of range.

> >

> > Did acth stim test that according to doctor was okay alltho the cortisol did

not double not even close. Went from 480 to 670. Doc said this is perfectly

normal. Some dont agree.

> >

> > I tried isocort. Felt better sometimes but was very much a jojo effect. Good

bad good bad etc.

> >

> >

> > Now:

> >

> > I tried testogel for 1 week with 1 pill of dim. This made me feel pretty

good generally but i felt abit uneasy sometimes. Still not bad.

> >

> > I also have gluten intolerans and im scheduled for endoscopy and colonscopy

so i decided to go off the testogel and c if possibly an awnser to all this

could be found during my exams so i did not require trt at all perhaps.

> >

> > Now the following week i feel good even tho not on gel alltho with some dim

still when i felt like e2 was highish, then i start feeling really bad and have

anxiety and insomnia. My penis still okay but i have really low energy at this

point. I go back on the gel for 3 days cause me and my girlfriend having the

first weekend together for a really long time so i want it to include some sex

atleast. Feel better with gel, anxiety goes away but still not perfect.

> >

> > Now after weekend i come home and have the endoscopy on tuesday so i go of

the gel again thinking i want to do all these exams " clean " and possibly find

the cause for all this.. Now anxiety comes back really bad and my body aches all

over and my energy is down the drain. My scrotum is pressed really hard against

my pelvis and penis is shrivelled up. Yet this morning i had a really good

erection when waking up. Then 1hour later i could not get it up att all even

with stimulation. This never happends to me normally even when not on the gel at

all. My worst symptom is still that im feeling so god damn stressed all the time

and my face looks tight and not relaxed at all. I even got cramps in my jaw

muscles. My stomach has come to a halt and my appetite is crap. I went to the

bathroom 5 times to pee allrdy the last 5 hours.

> >

> > I realize that going on and off testosterone like that isent a good idea but

what is done is done.. So please dont lecture me on that

> >

> > Is this a normal reaction to coming of the gel? or did my adrenals somehow

got burnt out again from taking testogel for a week and then a few days again?

> >

> > Is anxiety and feeling stressed out with insomnia etc from low T and not

cortisol? Also i feel like my shoulers are attached to my ears these days and

not at the bottom of the neck. If low T cause all this then how can one have

good morning erection then 1 hour later no wood at all when stimulated?

> >

> > Ah pew sorry for rant im just abit lost right now. Is it as simple as low T

?

> >

> >

> > Thanks in advance for you thoughts!

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I don't remember if you posted you were going to do this if you would have I

would have told you your going to stress the hell out of your body stopping HC

and Gels. This is was I call a crash your T levels went down if your Estradiol

was on the high side as T drops in some men so will E's but others it stays the

same and the ratio of T to E gets you. Also your cortisol levels are falling

and you could be going into Adrenal Crisis. This put me in the ER two times

over doing working out side on Cortef HC I need a big shot of Medrol or I could

have died.

Did a Dr. tell you to stop them meds or did you just think it was a good Idea.

If it was a Dr. run from this A** Hole. You don't need to stop your T and HC

meds to do them tests.

Get back on your meds with the HC start slow doing 2.5 mgs and going up 2.5 mgs

every 3 days until your back on your dose or your on at least 5 mgs 4x's a day.

http://www.cushings-help.com/911.htm

That ACTH test you did did they test your Cortisol levels before the shot and

your ACTH levels I think you are Secondary and need your Pituitary looked at.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: troubledfinuser <no_reply >

> Subject: Question regarding Testosterone or possibly adrenals?

>

> Date: Wednesday, June 9, 2010, 10:20 AM

> Brief background:

>

> Was found with low T and later Lowish cortisol levels.

> My testosterone has bounced up and down from anywhere

> between 8 and 22 (range 8-30)

>

> Cortisol levels pretty much the same, sometimes smack in

> the middle sometimes lower 1/3 of range.

>

> Did acth stim test that according to doctor was okay alltho

> the cortisol did not double not even close. Went from 480 to

> 670. Doc said this is perfectly normal. Some dont agree.

>

> I tried isocort. Felt better sometimes but was very much a

> jojo effect. Good bad good bad etc.

>

>

> Now:

>

> I tried testogel for 1 week with 1 pill of dim. This made

> me feel pretty good generally but i felt abit uneasy

> sometimes. Still not bad.

>

> I also have gluten intolerans and im scheduled for

> endoscopy and colonscopy so i decided to go off the testogel

> and c if possibly an awnser to all this could  be found

> during my exams so i did not require trt at all perhaps.

>

> Now the following week i feel good even tho not on gel

> alltho with some dim still when i felt like e2 was highish,

> then i start feeling really bad and have anxiety and

> insomnia. My penis still okay but i have really low energy

> at this point. I go back on the gel for 3 days cause me and

> my girlfriend having the first weekend together for a really

> long time so i want it to include some sex atleast. Feel

> better with gel, anxiety goes away but still not

> perfect. 

>

> Now after weekend i come home and have the endoscopy on

> tuesday so i go of the gel again thinking i want to do all

> these exams " clean " and possibly find the cause for all

> this.. Now anxiety comes back really bad and my body aches

> all over and my energy is down the drain. My scrotum is

> pressed really hard against my pelvis and penis is

> shrivelled up. Yet this morning i had a really good erection

> when waking up. Then 1hour later i could not get it up att

> all even with stimulation. This never happends to me

> normally even when not on the gel at all. My worst symptom

> is still that im feeling so god damn stressed all the time

> and my face looks tight and not relaxed at all. I even got

> cramps in my jaw muscles. My stomach has come to a halt and

> my appetite is crap. I went to the bathroom 5 times to pee

> allrdy the last 5 hours.

>

> I realize that going on and off testosterone like that

> isent a good idea but what is done is done.. So please dont

> lecture me on that

>

> Is this a normal reaction to coming of the gel? or did my

> adrenals somehow got burnt out again from taking testogel

> for a week and then a few days again?

>

> Is anxiety and feeling stressed out with insomnia etc from

> low T and not cortisol? Also i feel like my shoulers are

> attached to my ears these days and not at the bottom of the

> neck. If low T cause all this then how can one have good

> morning erection then 1 hour later no wood at all when

> stimulated?

>

> Ah pew sorry for rant im just abit lost right now. Is it as

> simple as low T ?

>

>

> Thanks in advance for you thoughts!

>

>

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