Re: Re: To sensitive to the ingredients in TRT Injections

[Guest guest]

My 1st prescription of Testosterone Cypionate was the Sicor brand.  My

Dr. had my pharmacy compound another vial using sesame seed oil instead of

Cottonseed oil and I did not develop a rash. I did have the pain, fever and

swelling however. We are now thinking it might be the benzy alcohol.   Not

sure.  The gel is compounded.  200mg/ml.

As far as allergies go, no, only seasonal hayfever, no skin ailments etc. No

food allergies. Not allergic to penicilin or any other drugs..

The ingredients used in the compounded Injectible my pharmacy used are the

same used in the brand name vials except the sesame seed oil.

 

I don't feel optimized.  I have not been the same after the

Armour reformulation. Went very hypo on the new armour.    I do better, but

not optimized on the Nature-Throid then on the new Armour.  I go by the FT3

and FT4 tests not the TSH.  MY RT3 is in check.  My FT3 was above range and my

FT4 was in the middle part of the range.

Thanks,

Greg

 

From: Barb <baba@...>

Subject: Re: To sensitive to the ingrediants in TRT Injections

Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 12:12 PM

 

When you got it compounded with sesame oil, that was the only filler? Discomfort

is probably common, but a fever? Makes it sound like your TRT is bad. Is this a

reputable pharmacy? Do you tend to be allergic to everything?

Is your thyroid optimized? Your dose is not based on TSH, I hope. Hands/feet not

cold, have full eyebrows, smooth heels, pulse in the 70s?

Barb

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> > > Going on my 6th week of TRT injections. 1ml/weekly into upper thigh

area. 

> > >   I am experiencing pain, swelling,rash, low grade fever 4 hours after

injection.  Dr. said I am allergic/sensitive to the cottonseed oil and maybe

the benzyl alcohol.

> > >  The compounding pharmacy changed to sesame seed oil.  No rash, 

but still have the pain, swelling, fever etc... lasts about 4 days.

> > > Dr. wants to switch me over to compounded gel. Tried the gels

before and didn't feel it was working.  Any Suggestions?

> > > Thanks,

> > > Greg

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[Guest guest]

Your Thyroid labs sound good to me might be to high.

What size needle do you use and where do you shoot. Do you let the benzy

alcohol dry before sticking in the needle into the vail and do you let it dry on

your skin before shooting.

Co-Moderator

Phil

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> Subject: Re: To sensitive to the ingrediants

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> Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 12:12 PM

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> only filler? Discomfort is probably common, but a fever?

> Makes it sound like your TRT is bad. Is this a reputable

> pharmacy? Do you tend to be allergic to everything?

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> Is your thyroid optimized? Your dose is not based on TSH, I

> hope. Hands/feet not cold, have full eyebrows, smooth heels,

> pulse in the 70s?

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> injections. 1ml/weekly into upper thigh area. 

> > > >   I am experiencing pain, swelling,rash,

> low grade fever 4 hours after injection.  Dr. said I am

> allergic/sensitive to the cottonseed oil and maybe the

> benzyl alcohol.

> > > >  The compounding pharmacy changed to

> sesame seed oil.  No rash,  but still have the pain,

> swelling, fever etc... lasts about 4 days.

> > > > Dr. wants to switch me over to

> compounded gel. Tried the gels before and didn't feel it

> was working.  Any Suggestions?

> > > > Thanks,

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[Guest guest]

Yes, I let the alcohol dry before I inject.  The benzyl alcohol is

a preservative. 

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> From: Barb <baba@...>

> Subject: Re: To sensitive to the ingrediants

> in TRT Injections

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> Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 12:12 PM

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> When you got it compounded with sesame oil, that was the

> only filler? Discomfort is probably common, but a fever?

> Makes it sound like your TRT is bad. Is this a reputable

> pharmacy? Do you tend to be allergic to everything?

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> Is your thyroid optimized? Your dose is not based on TSH, I

> hope. Hands/feet not cold, have full eyebrows, smooth heels,

> pulse in the 70s?

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> Barb

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> injections. 1ml/weekly into upper thigh area. 

> > > >   I am experiencing pain, swelling,rash,

> low grade fever 4 hours after injection.  Dr. said I am

> allergic/sensitive to the cottonseed oil and maybe the

> benzyl alcohol.

> > > >  The compounding pharmacy changed to

> sesame seed oil.  No rash,  but still have the pain,

> swelling, fever etc... lasts about 4 days.

> > > > Dr. wants to switch me over to

> compounded gel. Tried the gels before and didn't feel it

> was working.  Any Suggestions?

> > > > Thanks,

> > > > Greg

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[Guest guest]

Read this link it for women becoming men but still it's full of good info maybe

you can find something that will work.

http://www.ftmguide.org/ttypes.html#cypionate

Co-Moderator

Phil

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> > From: Barb <baba@...>

> > Subject: Re: To sensitive to the

> ingrediants

> > in TRT Injections

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> > Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 12:12 PM

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> > When you got it compounded with sesame oil, that was

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> > only filler? Discomfort is probably common, but a

> fever?

> > Makes it sound like your TRT is bad. Is this a

> reputable

> > pharmacy? Do you tend to be allergic to everything?

> >

> > Is your thyroid optimized? Your dose is not based on

> TSH, I

> > hope. Hands/feet not cold, have full eyebrows, smooth

> heels,

> > pulse in the 70s?

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> > Barb

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> > > > > Going on my 6th week of TRT

> > injections. 1ml/weekly into upper thigh area. 

> > > > >   I am experiencing pain,

> swelling,rash,

> > low grade fever 4 hours after injection.  Dr. said

> I am

> > allergic/sensitive to the cottonseed oil and maybe

> the

> > benzyl alcohol.

> > > > >  The compounding pharmacy changed

> to

> > sesame seed oil.  No rash,  but still have the

> pain,

> > swelling, fever etc... lasts about 4 days.

> > > > > Dr. wants to switch me over to

> > compounded gel. Tried the gels before and didn't

> feel it

> > was working.  Any Suggestions?

> > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > Greg

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[Guest guest]

I felt optimized on 4 grains of the old armour.  Lost weight without doing much

exercise, had energy, brain fog lifted, could stay up past 10:00pm.  I went

Hypo on  ERFA, New armour, compounded pig, thyroid-S.

Oh, yes, I would like to wean off HC one day.

I am on my 6th day of compounded gel and feel nothing happening. 200mg/ML 

daily.

I really liked the T injections except for the pain, swelling, fever etc..On the

flip side, my energy level increased, disposition better, sharper, libido was

comming around.

I am frustrated.  I tell my wife I feel like " cousin IT " of the addams family.

Greg

> As far as allergies go, no, only seasonal hayfever, no skin ailments etc.

No food allergies. Not allergic to penicilin or any other drugs..

Well, that makes your reaction even more puzzling.

> I don't feel optimized.  I have not been the same after the

Armour reformulation. Went very hypo on the new armour.    I do better,

but not optimized on the Nature-Throid then on the new Armour.  I go by

the FT3 and FT4 tests not the TSH.  MY RT3 is in check.  My FT3 was above

range and my FT4 was in the middle part of the range.

Have you considered Erfa from Canada? That's what I take. It's a possibility

that you are overmedicated; I know being hyper can make allergies worse, and

some break out in hives. Phil posted a link here to Dr. no's website

yesterday about what he considers optimal thyroid labs. I'd never seen the combo

of FT3 and total T4 used, but with my labs, it makes much more sense. I simply

could not get optimized using FT3 top of range or over and FT4 middle. I believe

that is too much thyroid for quite a few, and they are only able to tolerate it

because of the HC they're on. You can tolerate any amount if you take more HC.

You might try lowering your dose some; it might allow you to wean off the HC.

The fact that you don't feel right is also a clue that your dose is off.

I'm guessing you've been advised that the average dose is 3-5 grains. I disagree

and feel most optimize between 1.5-3.0. My hubby is doing pretty good on 2

grains. His FT3 was over range when he was on 2.5 grain. You might try dropping

a half grain to start and see if you feel better.

From: http://www.definitivemind.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52

A useful target if considering primarily lab tests for optimizing thyroid

hormone is the following:

TSH <= 1.0

Free T3 between 3.3 to 3.9

Total T4 between 8-12

If at least one lab test is below these ranges, then a person may exhibit signs

of hypothyroidism.

T4 levels are important since the brain does its own conversion of T4 to T3. The

brain compartment can have different T4 and T3 levels than the rest of the body.

The brain and body are in two different compartments, separated by the blood

brain barrier. In Alzheimer's disease, brain thyroid levels are lower than the

rest of the body.

TSH is not as important a measurement compared to measuring Free T3 and Total

T4. If a person has some metabolic problem - including having heart disease,

diabetes, low iron, etc. then the nervous system cannot function well and TSH

will be abnormally low since the brain will have difficulty monitoring thyroid

hormone and making TSH.

Barb

[Guest guest]

Greg I was on 4 grains of old Armour but when I went on Growth Hormone my

Thyroid took off I went hyper and little by little we lowed my dose of Armour

until I was off it. Now I am on Shythyroid Generic 250 mcgs with 5 mcgs of

Cytomel 2x's a day just started on this yesterday. I feel dam good on this.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > As far as allergies go, no, only seasonal hayfever,

> no skin ailments etc. No food allergies. Not allergic to

> penicilin or any other drugs..

>

> Well, that makes your reaction even more puzzling.

>

> > I don't feel optimized.  I have not been the

> same after the Armour reformulation. Went very hypo on

> the new armour.    I do better, but not

> optimized on the Nature-Throid then on the new

> Armour.  I go by the FT3 and FT4 tests not the TSH. 

> MY RT3 is in check.  My FT3 was above range and my FT4

> was in the middle part of the range.

>

> Have you considered Erfa from Canada? That's what I take.

> It's a possibility that you are overmedicated; I know being

> hyper can make allergies worse, and some break out in hives.

> Phil posted a link here to Dr. no's website yesterday

> about what he considers optimal thyroid labs. I'd never seen

> the combo of FT3 and total T4 used, but with my labs, it

> makes much more sense. I simply could not get optimized

> using FT3 top of range or over and FT4 middle. I believe

> that is too much thyroid for quite a few, and they are only

> able to tolerate it because of the HC they're on. You can

> tolerate any amount if you take more HC. You might try

> lowering your dose some; it might allow you to wean off the

> HC. The fact that you don't feel right is also a clue that

> your dose is off.

>

> I'm guessing you've been advised that the average dose is

> 3-5 grains. I disagree and feel most optimize between

> 1.5-3.0. My hubby is doing pretty good on 2 grains. His FT3

> was over range when he was on 2.5 grain. You might try

> dropping a half grain to start and see if you feel better.

>

> From: http://www.definitivemind.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52

>

> A useful target if considering primarily lab tests for

> optimizing thyroid hormone is the following:

>

> TSH <= 1.0

> Free T3 between 3.3 to 3.9

> Total T4 between 8-12

>

> If at least one lab test is below these ranges, then a

> person may exhibit signs of hypothyroidism.

>

> T4 levels are important since the brain does its own

> conversion of T4 to T3. The brain compartment can have

> different T4 and T3 levels than the rest of the body. The

> brain and body are in two different compartments, separated

> by the blood brain barrier. In Alzheimer's disease, brain

> thyroid levels are lower than the rest of the body.

>

> TSH is not as important a measurement compared to measuring

> Free T3 and Total T4. If a person has some metabolic problem

> - including having heart disease, diabetes, low iron, etc.

> then the nervous system cannot function well and TSH will be

> abnormally low since the brain will have difficulty

> monitoring thyroid hormone and making TSH.

>

> Barb

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[Guest guest]

Phil, I am considering Sythorid/Cytomel again.  I was originally put on this

combo when I was first diagnosed with Hypothyroidism back in the `90's.

>

> > As far as allergies go, no, only seasonal hayfever,

> no skin ailments etc. No food allergies. Not allergic to

> penicilin or any other drugs..

>

> Well, that makes your reaction even more puzzling.

>

> > I don't feel optimized.  I have not been the

> same after the Armour reformulation. Went very hypo on

> the new armour.    I do better, but not

> optimized on the Nature-Throid then on the new

> Armour.  I go by the FT3 and FT4 tests not the TSH. 

> MY RT3 is in check.  My FT3 was above range and my FT4

> was in the middle part of the range.

>

> Have you considered Erfa from Canada? That's what I take.

> It's a possibility that you are overmedicated; I know being

> hyper can make allergies worse, and some break out in hives.

> Phil posted a link here to Dr. no's website yesterday

> about what he considers optimal thyroid labs. I'd never seen

> the combo of FT3 and total T4 used, but with my labs, it

> makes much more sense. I simply could not get optimized

> using FT3 top of range or over and FT4 middle. I believe

> that is too much thyroid for quite a few, and they are only

> able to tolerate it because of the HC they're on. You can

> tolerate any amount if you take more HC. You might try

> lowering your dose some; it might allow you to wean off the

> HC. The fact that you don't feel right is also a clue that

> your dose is off.

>

> I'm guessing you've been advised that the average dose is

> 3-5 grains. I disagree and feel most optimize between

> 1.5-3.0. My hubby is doing pretty good on 2 grains. His FT3

> was over range when he was on 2.5 grain. You might try

> dropping a half grain to start and see if you feel better.

>

> From: http://www.definitivemind.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52

>

> A useful target if considering primarily lab tests for

> optimizing thyroid hormone is the following:

>

> TSH <= 1.0

> Free T3 between 3.3 to 3.9

> Total T4 between 8-12

>

> If at least one lab test is below these ranges, then a

> person may exhibit signs of hypothyroidism.

>

> T4 levels are important since the brain does its own

> conversion of T4 to T3. The brain compartment can have

> different T4 and T3 levels than the rest of the body. The

> brain and body are in two different compartments, separated

> by the blood brain barrier. In Alzheimer's disease, brain

> thyroid levels are lower than the rest of the body.

>

> TSH is not as important a measurement compared to measuring

> Free T3 and Total T4. If a person has some metabolic problem

> - including having heart disease, diabetes, low iron, etc.

> then the nervous system cannot function well and TSH will be

> abnormally low since the brain will have difficulty

> monitoring thyroid hormone and making TSH.

>

> Barb

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I never tried it before and from the forums like About.com and STTM.com T4 only

meds are not working for most people. I now find it odd now that Armour and the

rest of the NTH meds changed there fillers they don't work. Some say it's the

coating on the pill so bit it in half when you take it.

I can't take NTH meds on HGH I go hyper so T4 with T3 is working and I am

shocked it works for me. My wife even went back on it but this time she takes

T3 with it.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> >

> > > As far as allergies go, no, only seasonal

> hayfever,

> > no skin ailments etc. No food allergies. Not

> allergic to

> > penicilin or any other drugs..

> >

> > Well, that makes your reaction even more puzzling.

> >

> > > I don't feel optimized.  I have not been

> the

> > same after the Armour reformulation. Went very hypo

> on

> > the new armour.    I do better, but not

> > optimized on the Nature-Throid then on the new

> > Armour.  I go by the FT3 and FT4 tests not the

> TSH. 

> > MY RT3 is in check.  My FT3 was above range and my

> FT4

> > was in the middle part of the range.

> >

> > Have you considered Erfa from Canada? That's what I

> take.

> > It's a possibility that you are overmedicated; I know

> being

> > hyper can make allergies worse, and some break out in

> hives.

> > Phil posted a link here to Dr. no's website

> yesterday

> > about what he considers optimal thyroid labs. I'd

> never seen

> > the combo of FT3 and total T4 used, but with my labs,

> it

> > makes much more sense. I simply could not get

> optimized

> > using FT3 top of range or over and FT4 middle. I

> believe

> > that is too much thyroid for quite a few, and they are

> only

> > able to tolerate it because of the HC they're on. You

> can

> > tolerate any amount if you take more HC. You might

> try

> > lowering your dose some; it might allow you to wean

> off the

> > HC. The fact that you don't feel right is also a clue

> that

> > your dose is off.

> >

> > I'm guessing you've been advised that the average dose

> is

> > 3-5 grains. I disagree and feel most optimize between

> > 1.5-3.0. My hubby is doing pretty good on 2 grains.

> His FT3

> > was over range when he was on 2.5 grain. You might

> try

> > dropping a half grain to start and see if you feel

> better.

> >

> > From: http://www.definitivemind.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52

> >

> > A useful target if considering primarily lab tests

> for

> > optimizing thyroid hormone is the following:

> >

> > TSH <= 1.0

> > Free T3 between 3.3 to 3.9

> > Total T4 between 8-12

> >

> > If at least one lab test is below these ranges, then

> a

> > person may exhibit signs of hypothyroidism.

> >

> > T4 levels are important since the brain does its own

> > conversion of T4 to T3. The brain compartment can

> have

> > different T4 and T3 levels than the rest of the body.

> The

> > brain and body are in two different compartments,

> separated

> > by the blood brain barrier. In Alzheimer's disease,

> brain

> > thyroid levels are lower than the rest of the body.

> >

> > TSH is not as important a measurement compared to

> measuring

> > Free T3 and Total T4. If a person has some metabolic

> problem

> > - including having heart disease, diabetes, low iron,

> etc.

> > then the nervous system cannot function well and TSH

> will be

> > abnormally low since the brain will have difficulty

> > monitoring thyroid hormone and making TSH.

> >

> > Barb

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