Re: Been on TRT almost 6 months..Almost dialed in..couple of questions....

[Guest guest]

Hi Randall,

I am not familiar with cortisol, but what you listed sounds like low T/high

Estradiol (E2) and possibly low thyroid.

What are your test result numbers? How much HCG are you taking with each

shot? Do you have recent thyroid test results (TSH doesn't count)?

To respond to your points:

1. Slight ED can be caused by too much E2. Do you know your SHBG

numbers? What your doctor is saying is good estradiol levels may actually

be too high. When I hit the " sweet spot " for E2, I have no ED at all.

2. Before I started taking Testosterone, I felt the exact same way. I

used to take at least one nap per day. Now, after starting Testosterone, I

rarely ever take naps. This could be Low T or possibly low thyroid (or

both). It is not unusual for thyroid levels to slightly fall after starting

to take Testosterone supplementation.

3. Redness on the upper part of the body and feeling hot are both

usually signs of high estradiols (and this goes along with the ED). Any

water retention? Any increased anxiety or depression? By any chance, are

you getting " stressed out " easier now?

Best of luck!

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of forced2fish

Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 2:32 PM

Subject: Been on TRT almost 6 months..Almost dialed

in..couple of questions....

Hi Phil, Barb, and anyone else reading this. I have been on TRT for about 6

months now. I am almost great..haha..I do test cyp 2 times a week and HCG 3

times and Arimidex as needed. All of my levels are good. I'm 36, 6'3 " , 204#

@ 9% body fat, eat healthy and am in very good condition. With all of that

said I still have some issues that I would really like to get on top of.

1. I have slight ED. It's not all the time, or completely, but it still just

isn't like it should be. I take Cialis to combat this, which usually works

well, but I don't feel like I should have to.

2. Although I'm in good shape, feel good overall, and am having good

workouts....I still feel tired all of the time. I basically feel like I can

take a nap at any given time, even after I wake up in the morning.

3. I feel hot, and get flush/ed a lot. My face and neck are fairly red a lot

of the time. I also have noticed that I get like this easy, particularly if

I get stressed out.

I have not had a cortisol test yet and know this may have something to do

with it, right? Is this my next step? Any ideas/suggestions?

Thanks, Randall

[Guest guest]

Randall,

Read this on how I take Arimidex so not to go to low right not what your feeling

is your too high.

How much Arimidex are you doing dose wise and how offten. I feel you need more.

=================================================

How To Take Arimdex and not go down on your Estradiol to Low.

What I found is if you go to low taking arimidex, it's the length of time your

to low, if your too low say for 8 weeks it can take your body a longer time to

make more Estradiol. Bottom line is to know how not to go to low. Keep a log on

your dose and how you feel men going to low can't get it up taking Viagra. I

went to low when I first tried Arimidex and did not know about going to low or

how one feels to low, so I was low a good 8 weeks. I did not know I was low

until my next labs.

The best gage I have found to control your Estradiol levels is to gage your

night time and morning wood. At good levels or what I call the sweet spot you

get your night time and morning wood back so strong it will wake you up and you

can hang a coat on it.

Most men do good taking .25 mgs or 1/4 of a 1mg. pill, I use a pill cutter to

cut the small pill in half then I stand it on the cut end and use a single edge

razor to cut this in half. A good way to take arimidex is by how high your

levels are. I tested over 90 pg/ml so we tried doing .5 mgs every other day

after 8 weeks my next set of labs showed it did not move below 90, test said

>90. So we did .5 mgs. every day in about 2 weeks I got some strong night time

and morning wood back after not having them for many yrs.

I kept doing this dose and in 8 weeks my next set of labs said <20 back in the

day labs were like this they did not have to good labs we have today they could

not read lower the 20. My Dr. told me this looks to low to stop taking the

Arimidex. The one thing I noticed was my wood stopped and stopping the Arimidex

my wood came back in about 7 weeks my next test at 8 weeks was 24 pg/ml. So we

went back on the Arimidex but the Dr. told me to take .5 mgs every 3 days I was

on this dose not a week and lost wood. This is when I figured out going to low

you lose wood. And the longer your too low the longer it takes to get levels

back up.

I stopped the arimidex right away and got my wood back in 4 days. I then after

playing with the dose for a time found the best dose is .25mgs every 2 to 3

days.

So lets say your labs are less the 50 pg/ml if your take .5 mgs you can go down

so dam fast your miss the sweet spot of your wood and go to low. It's best with

lower levels 50 and under to do less Arimidex .25mgs every 2 days if later your

lose wood when it comes back go to every 3 days.

I have found estradiol is the hardest hormone to control, it goes up or down

from month to month some times I need .25mgs every 2 days other times I need

..25mgs everyday most of the time I do well on every 3 days.

So between wood and labs I do great and so do most of the men I have told this

to. I keep a log on how much I am taking and how I feel. Doing this and reading

back in my log I was able to tell when I was going to high or to low my Dr. lets

me dose my arimidex by how I feel.

Over the yrs. I have posted this story until I am blue in the face.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: forced2fish <ruca4life@...>

> Subject: Been on TRT almost 6 months..Almost dialed in..couple

of questions....

>

> Date: Monday, November 22, 2010, 3:32 PM

> Hi Phil, Barb, and anyone else

> reading this. I have been on TRT for about 6 months now. I

> am almost great..haha..I do test cyp 2 times a week and HCG

> 3 times and Arimidex as needed. All of my levels are good.

> I'm 36, 6'3 " , 204# @ 9% body fat, eat healthy and am in very

> good condition. With all of that said I still have some

> issues that I would really like to get on top of.

>

> 1. I have slight ED. It's not all the time, or completely,

> but it still just isn't like it should be. I take Cialis to

> combat this, which usually works well, but I don't feel like

> I should have to.

>

> 2. Although I'm in good shape, feel good overall, and am

> having good workouts....I still feel tired all of the time.

> I basically feel like I can take a nap at any given time,

> even after I wake up in the morning.

>

> 3. I feel hot, and get flush/ed a lot. My face and neck are

> fairly red a lot of the time. I also have noticed that I get

> like this easy, particularly if I get stressed out.

>

> I have not had a cortisol test yet and know this may have

> something to do with it, right? Is this my next step? Any

> ideas/suggestions?

>

> Thanks, Randall   

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Randall,

The only thing I can comment on is the tiredness. Tiredness, along with

many of the symptoms of low T, are symptoms of sleep apnea. If you snore,

you might consider having a sleep study to determine if this is a problem

for you.

.

_____

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of forced2fish

Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 1:32 PM

Subject: Been on TRT almost 6 months..Almost dialed

in..couple of questions....

Hi Phil, Barb, and anyone else reading this. I have been on TRT for about 6

months now. I am almost great..haha..I do test cyp 2 times a week and HCG 3

times and Arimidex as needed. All of my levels are good. I'm 36, 6'3 " , 204#

@ 9% body fat, eat healthy and am in very good condition. With all of that

said I still have some issues that I would really like to get on top of.

1. I have slight ED. It's not all the time, or completely, but it still just

isn't like it should be. I take Cialis to combat this, which usually works

well, but I don't feel like I should have to.

2. Although I'm in good shape, feel good overall, and am having good

workouts....I still feel tired all of the time. I basically feel like I can

take a nap at any given time, even after I wake up in the morning.

3. I feel hot, and get flush/ed a lot. My face and neck are fairly red a lot

of the time. I also have noticed that I get like this easy, particularly if

I get stressed out.

I have not had a cortisol test yet and know this may have something to do

with it, right? Is this my next step? Any ideas/suggestions?

Thanks, Randall

[Guest guest]

Randall . . . what said

Barb

>

> Hi Randall,

>

>

>

> I am not familiar with cortisol, but what you listed sounds like low T/high

> Estradiol (E2) and possibly low thyroid.

>

>

>

> What are your test result numbers? How much HCG are you taking with each

> shot? Do you have recent thyroid test results (TSH doesn't count)?

>

>

>

> To respond to your points:

>

> 1. Slight ED can be caused by too much E2. Do you know your SHBG

> numbers? What your doctor is saying is good estradiol levels may actually

> be too high. When I hit the " sweet spot " for E2, I have no ED at all.

>

> 2. Before I started taking Testosterone, I felt the exact same way. I

> used to take at least one nap per day. Now, after starting Testosterone, I

> rarely ever take naps. This could be Low T or possibly low thyroid (or

> both). It is not unusual for thyroid levels to slightly fall after starting

> to take Testosterone supplementation.

>

> 3. Redness on the upper part of the body and feeling hot are both

> usually signs of high estradiols (and this goes along with the ED). Any

> water retention? Any increased anxiety or depression? By any chance, are

> you getting " stressed out " easier now?

>

>

>

> Best of luck!

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> From: [mailto: ]

> On Behalf Of forced2fish

> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 2:32 PM

>

> Subject: Been on TRT almost 6 months..Almost dialed

> in..couple of questions....

>

>

>

>

>

> Hi Phil, Barb, and anyone else reading this. I have been on TRT for about 6

> months now. I am almost great..haha..I do test cyp 2 times a week and HCG 3

> times and Arimidex as needed. All of my levels are good. I'm 36, 6'3 " , 204#

> @ 9% body fat, eat healthy and am in very good condition. With all of that

> said I still have some issues that I would really like to get on top of.

>

> 1. I have slight ED. It's not all the time, or completely, but it still just

> isn't like it should be. I take Cialis to combat this, which usually works

> well, but I don't feel like I should have to.

>

> 2. Although I'm in good shape, feel good overall, and am having good

> workouts....I still feel tired all of the time. I basically feel like I can

> take a nap at any given time, even after I wake up in the morning.

>

> 3. I feel hot, and get flush/ed a lot. My face and neck are fairly red a lot

> of the time. I also have noticed that I get like this easy, particularly if

> I get stressed out.

>

> I have not had a cortisol test yet and know this may have something to do

> with it, right? Is this my next step? Any ideas/suggestions?

>

> Thanks, Randall

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Tiredness and sleep apnea are symptoms of low thyroid. I can guarantee you if

your thyroid is low you won't sleep well. This applies to women too.

Barb

>

> Randall,

>

>

>

> The only thing I can comment on is the tiredness. Tiredness, along with

> many of the symptoms of low T, are symptoms of sleep apnea. If you snore,

> you might consider having a sleep study to determine if this is a problem

> for you.

>

>

>

> .

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From: [mailto: ]

> On Behalf Of forced2fish

> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 1:32 PM

>

> Subject: Been on TRT almost 6 months..Almost dialed

> in..couple of questions....

>

>

>

>

>

> Hi Phil, Barb, and anyone else reading this. I have been on TRT for about 6

> months now. I am almost great..haha..I do test cyp 2 times a week and HCG 3

> times and Arimidex as needed. All of my levels are good. I'm 36, 6'3 " , 204#

> @ 9% body fat, eat healthy and am in very good condition. With all of that

> said I still have some issues that I would really like to get on top of.

>

> 1. I have slight ED. It's not all the time, or completely, but it still just

> isn't like it should be. I take Cialis to combat this, which usually works

> well, but I don't feel like I should have to.

>

> 2. Although I'm in good shape, feel good overall, and am having good

> workouts....I still feel tired all of the time. I basically feel like I can

> take a nap at any given time, even after I wake up in the morning.

>

> 3. I feel hot, and get flush/ed a lot. My face and neck are fairly red a lot

> of the time. I also have noticed that I get like this easy, particularly if

> I get stressed out.

>

> I have not had a cortisol test yet and know this may have something to do

> with it, right? Is this my next step? Any ideas/suggestions?

>

> Thanks, Randall

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks to all who have responded to this. I read most of the responses and then

lost track of this thread. This format here is kind of confusing!!

I'm still having fatigue issues. I upped my arimidex (generic) and that has

helped with high estradiol, which I had. I still have something else going on,

but just ran a new round of tests at the doc and am still waiting for my

cortisol results. In the mean time I'm still getting in great shape and am

currently 201# @ 7% body fat. Working out isn't a problem, it's just energy

throughout the day. I just feel like I want to sleep!

Like I said, thanks again for the suggestions.

>

> Hi Phil, Barb, and anyone else reading this. I have been on TRT for about 6

months now. I am almost great..haha..I do test cyp 2 times a week and HCG 3

times and Arimidex as needed. All of my levels are good. I'm 36, 6'3 " , 204# @ 9%

body fat, eat healthy and am in very good condition. With all of that said I

still have some issues that I would really like to get on top of.

>

> 1. I have slight ED. It's not all the time, or completely, but it still just

isn't like it should be. I take Cialis to combat this, which usually works well,

but I don't feel like I should have to.

>

> 2. Although I'm in good shape, feel good overall, and am having good

workouts....I still feel tired all of the time. I basically feel like I can take

a nap at any given time, even after I wake up in the morning.

>

> 3. I feel hot, and get flush/ed a lot. My face and neck are fairly red a lot

of the time. I also have noticed that I get like this easy, particularly if I

get stressed out.

>

> I have not had a cortisol test yet and know this may have something to do with

it, right? Is this my next step? Any ideas/suggestions?

>

> Thanks, Randall

>

[Guest guest]

Different med side effects can cause tiredness and fatigue. Not getting enough

vitamins and proteins also can cause fatigue-like symptoms. Perhaps you can

google all your meds and check their side effects as well. If so, this is better

than having a medical condition that is causing your symptoms. Dnt stop taking

any doc prescribed med before talking to your doc.

Re: Been on TRT almost 6 months..Almost dialed

in..couple of questions....

Thanks to all who have responded to this. I read most of the responses and then

lost track of this thread. This format here is kind of confusing!!

I'm still having fatigue issues. I upped my arimidex (generic) and that has

helped with high estradiol, which I had. I still have something else going on,

but just ran a new round of tests at the doc and am still waiting for my

cortisol results. In the mean time I'm still getting in great shape and am

currently 201# @ 7% body fat. Working out isn't a problem, it's just energy

throughout the day. I just feel like I want to sleep!

Like I said, thanks again for the suggestions.

>

> Hi Phil, Barb, and anyone else reading this. I have been on TRT for about 6

months now. I am almost great..haha..I do test cyp 2 times a week and HCG 3

times and Arimidex as needed. All of my levels are good. I'm 36, 6'3 " , 204# @ 9%

body fat, eat healthy and am in very good condition. With all of that said I

still have some issues that I would really like to get on top of.

>

> 1. I have slight ED. It's not all the time, or completely, but it still just

isn't like it should be. I take Cialis to combat this, which usually works well,

but I don't feel like I should have to.

>

> 2. Although I'm in good shape, feel good overall, and am having good

workouts....I still feel tired all of the time. I basically feel like I can take

a nap at a

[The entire original message is not included]

[Guest guest]

Has thyroid been checked? More than a TSH? That's the number one cause of

fatigue.

> >

> > Hi Phil, Barb, and anyone else reading this. I have been on TRT for about 6

months now. I am almost great..haha..I do test cyp 2 times a week and HCG 3

times and Arimidex as needed. All of my levels are good. I'm 36, 6'3 " , 204# @ 9%

body fat, eat healthy and am in very good condition. With all of that said I

still have some issues that I would really like to get on top of.

> >

> > 1. I have slight ED. It's not all the time, or completely, but it still just

isn't like it should be. I take Cialis to combat this, which usually works well,

but I don't feel like I should have to.

> >

> > 2. Although I'm in good shape, feel good overall, and am having good

workouts....I still feel tired all of the time. I basically feel like I can take

a nap at any given time, even after I wake up in the morning.

> >

> > 3. I feel hot, and get flush/ed a lot. My face and neck are fairly red a lot

of the time. I also have noticed that I get like this easy, particularly if I

get stressed out.

> >

> > I have not had a cortisol test yet and know this may have something to do

with it, right? Is this my next step? Any ideas/suggestions?

> >

> > Thanks, Randall

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Barb,

My thyroid was checked in June and I was in range but on the lower end. My doc

put me on a thyroid pill but then he felt I was maybe going hyper as I was

getting really flushed...BUT...I'm pretty sure, and I think he would agree that

it was an estradiol issue as that was before I had my estradiol checked. I don't

think that he has checked my thyroid again but he may have on my most recent set

of labs. I have not discussed my full results with him yet.

Question regarding that...Now that I'm more on top of my estradiol, if I throw

the tyroid pills back into the mix, shouldn't I be able to figure out within a

week or so if they are helping? The pills I have are " T3=4.5, T4=19MCG " and I

was on 1 per day. Thoughts?

And thanks again!

> > >

> > > Hi Phil, Barb, and anyone else reading this. I have been on TRT for about

6 months now. I am almost great..haha..I do test cyp 2 times a week and HCG 3

times and Arimidex as needed. All of my levels are good. I'm 36, 6'3 " , 204# @ 9%

body fat, eat healthy and am in very good condition. With all of that said I

still have some issues that I would really like to get on top of.

> > >

> > > 1. I have slight ED. It's not all the time, or completely, but it still

just isn't like it should be. I take Cialis to combat this, which usually works

well, but I don't feel like I should have to.

> > >

> > > 2. Although I'm in good shape, feel good overall, and am having good

workouts....I still feel tired all of the time. I basically feel like I can take

a nap at any given time, even after I wake up in the morning.

> > >

> > > 3. I feel hot, and get flush/ed a lot. My face and neck are fairly red a

lot of the time. I also have noticed that I get like this easy, particularly if

I get stressed out.

> > >

> > > I have not had a cortisol test yet and know this may have something to do

with it, right? Is this my next step? Any ideas/suggestions?

> > >

> > > Thanks, Randall

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

The meds I'm on are anastrozole, test cyp, HCG, and the occasional Cialis. This

could be a possibility but I have had daytime fatigue issues for a

lllooonnnngggg time so I suspect that it's not.

As far as the nutritional/diet side. I'm spot on. Diet is almost perfect (dialed

in with a nutritionalist), and I had an extensive nutritional evaluation that my

doc and I laughed about when it came back as I wasted $300 because everything

was perfect!haha

> >

> > Hi Phil, Barb, and anyone else reading this. I have been on TRT for about 6

months now. I am almost great..haha..I do test cyp 2 times a week and HCG 3

times and Arimidex as needed. All of my levels are good. I'm 36, 6'3 " , 204# @ 9%

body fat, eat healthy and am in very good condition. With all of that said I

still have some issues that I would really like to get on top of.

> >

> > 1. I have slight ED. It's not all the time, or completely, but it still

just isn't like it should be. I take Cialis to combat this, which usually works

well, but I don't feel like I should have to.

> >

> > 2. Although I'm in good shape, feel good overall, and am having good

workouts....I still feel tired all of the time. I basically feel like I can take

a nap at a

>

> [The entire original message is not included]

>

>

[Guest guest]

Folks talk about estrogen being a cause for fatigue, now I have stupid

question.. My Estrogen has always been high in the 30's... How should I feel

with high Estrogen compared to the feeling of normal range Estrogen? I never had

thyroid issues as well....

Re: Been on TRT almost 6 months..Almost dialed

in..couple of questions....

Hi Barb,

My thyroid was checked in June and I was in range but on the lower end. My doc

put me on a thyroid pill but then he felt I was maybe going hyper as I was

getting really flushed...BUT...I'm pretty sure, and I think he would agree that

it was an estradiol issue as that was before I had my estradiol checked. I don't

think that he has checked my thyroid again but he may have on my most recent set

of labs. I have not discussed my full results with him yet.

Question regarding that...Now that I'm more on top of my estradiol, if I throw

the tyroid pills back into the mix, shouldn't I be able to figure out within a

week or so if they are helping? The pills I have are " T3=4.5, T4=19MCG " and I

was on 1 per day. Thoughts?

And thanks again!

> >

> > Thanks to all who have responded to this. I read most of the responses and

then lost track of this thread. This format here is kind of confusing!!

> >

> > I'm still having fatigue issues. I upped my arimidex (generic) and that has

helped with high estradiol, which I had. I still have something else going on,

but just ran a new round of tests at the

[The entire original message is not included]

[Guest guest]

He prescribed 1/2 grain for you, which is a very low dose. So within a week,

you could feel it's much too low, or it could augment your own levels. Hard to

tell without seeing thyroid labs and ferritin first.

> > > >

> > > > Hi Phil, Barb, and anyone else reading this. I have been on TRT for

about 6 months now. I am almost great..haha..I do test cyp 2 times a week and

HCG 3 times and Arimidex as needed. All of my levels are good. I'm 36, 6'3 " ,

204# @ 9% body fat, eat healthy and am in very good condition. With all of that

said I still have some issues that I would really like to get on top of.

> > > >

> > > > 1. I have slight ED. It's not all the time, or completely, but it still

just isn't like it should be. I take Cialis to combat this, which usually works

well, but I don't feel like I should have to.

> > > >

> > > > 2. Although I'm in good shape, feel good overall, and am having good

workouts....I still feel tired all of the time. I basically feel like I can take

a nap at any given time, even after I wake up in the morning.

> > > >

> > > > 3. I feel hot, and get flush/ed a lot. My face and neck are fairly red a

lot of the time. I also have noticed that I get like this easy, particularly if

I get stressed out.

> > > >

> > > > I have not had a cortisol test yet and know this may have something to

do with it, right? Is this my next step? Any ideas/suggestions?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks, Randall

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I understand...I'm just thinking about trying them again and wouldn't want to

mess anything up. If you are taking thyroid meds, does it shut your thyroid

production down at all? I have an ex who's doctor told her it did, but I think I

have read otherwise hear, although I can't pinpoint it.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi Phil, Barb, and anyone else reading this. I have been on TRT for

about 6 months now. I am almost great..haha..I do test cyp 2 times a week and

HCG 3 times and Arimidex as needed. All of my levels are good. I'm 36, 6'3 " ,

204# @ 9% body fat, eat healthy and am in very good condition. With all of that

said I still have some issues that I would really like to get on top of.

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. I have slight ED. It's not all the time, or completely, but it

still just isn't like it should be. I take Cialis to combat this, which usually

works well, but I don't feel like I should have to.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. Although I'm in good shape, feel good overall, and am having good

workouts....I still feel tired all of the time. I basically feel like I can take

a nap at any given time, even after I wake up in the morning.

> > > > >

> > > > > 3. I feel hot, and get flush/ed a lot. My face and neck are fairly red

a lot of the time. I also have noticed that I get like this easy, particularly

if I get stressed out.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have not had a cortisol test yet and know this may have something to

do with it, right? Is this my next step? Any ideas/suggestions?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks, Randall

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

If you take enough thyroid meds, yes your TSH will become suppressed and shut

off your own production. I think at very low doses, it should augment your own

levels. I have read posts of people going on T3, and then weaning off, so I

guess it's possible to wean off. But you'd probably go back to your own levels,

and if they were low to start with, that's what you'd get again.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi Phil, Barb, and anyone else reading this. I have been on TRT for

about 6 months now. I am almost great..haha..I do test cyp 2 times a week and

HCG 3 times and Arimidex as needed. All of my levels are good. I'm 36, 6'3 " ,

204# @ 9% body fat, eat healthy and am in very good condition. With all of that

said I still have some issues that I would really like to get on top of.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1. I have slight ED. It's not all the time, or completely, but it

still just isn't like it should be. I take Cialis to combat this, which usually

works well, but I don't feel like I should have to.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2. Although I'm in good shape, feel good overall, and am having good

workouts....I still feel tired all of the time. I basically feel like I can take

a nap at any given time, even after I wake up in the morning.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3. I feel hot, and get flush/ed a lot. My face and neck are fairly

red a lot of the time. I also have noticed that I get like this easy,

particularly if I get stressed out.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have not had a cortisol test yet and know this may have something

to do with it, right? Is this my next step? Any ideas/suggestions?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks, Randall

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Cool Barb...Thanks

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hi Phil, Barb, and anyone else reading this. I have been on TRT

for about 6 months now. I am almost great..haha..I do test cyp 2 times a week

and HCG 3 times and Arimidex as needed. All of my levels are good. I'm 36, 6'3 " ,

204# @ 9% body fat, eat healthy and am in very good condition. With all of that

said I still have some issues that I would really like to get on top of.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1. I have slight ED. It's not all the time, or completely, but it

still just isn't like it should be. I take Cialis to combat this, which usually

works well, but I don't feel like I should have to.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2. Although I'm in good shape, feel good overall, and am having

good workouts....I still feel tired all of the time. I basically feel like I can

take a nap at any given time, even after I wake up in the morning.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 3. I feel hot, and get flush/ed a lot. My face and neck are fairly

red a lot of the time. I also have noticed that I get like this easy,

particularly if I get stressed out.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have not had a cortisol test yet and know this may have

something to do with it, right? Is this my next step? Any ideas/suggestions?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks, Randall

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

That sounds to me like your not recovering from your work out. If your Cortisol

test comes in 15 or less doing it fasting in the morning you might have Adrenal

Insufficiency.

Next thing you can try is an ACTH Stim. test to see if your Primary or

Secondary.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACTH_stimulation_test

Then do a 4x's in a day saliva test to see how your rithum looks. It should be

high in the morning going down by bedtime.

http://www.t-nation.com/article/diet_and_nutrition/adrenal_fatigue_101 & cr=dietAn\

dNutrition

http://hotzehwc.com/attachments/wysiwyg/2/AdrenalFatigueandCortisol101.pdf

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: forced2fish <ruca4life@...>

> Subject: Re: Been on TRT almost 6 months..Almost dialed

in..couple of questions....

>

> Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 7:07 PM

> Thanks to all who have responded to

> this. I read most of the responses and then lost track of

> this thread. This format here is kind of confusing!!

>

> I'm still having fatigue issues. I upped my arimidex

> (generic) and that has helped with high estradiol, which I

> had. I still have something else going on, but just ran a

> new round of tests at the doc and am still waiting for my

> cortisol results. In the mean time I'm still getting in

> great shape and am currently 201# @ 7% body fat. Working out

> isn't a problem, it's just energy throughout the day. I just

> feel like I want to sleep!

>

> Like I said, thanks again for the suggestions.

>

>

>

> >

> > Hi Phil, Barb, and anyone else reading this. I have

> been on TRT for about 6 months now. I am almost

> great..haha..I do test cyp 2 times a week and HCG 3 times

> and Arimidex as needed. All of my levels are good. I'm 36,

> 6'3 " , 204# @ 9% body fat, eat healthy and am in very good

> condition. With all of that said I still have some issues

> that I would really like to get on top of.

> >

> > 1. I have slight ED. It's not all the time, or

> completely, but it still just isn't like it should be. I

> take Cialis to combat this, which usually works well, but I

> don't feel like I should have to.

> >

> > 2. Although I'm in good shape, feel good overall, and

> am having good workouts....I still feel tired all of the

> time. I basically feel like I can take a nap at any given

> time, even after I wake up in the morning.

> >

> > 3. I feel hot, and get flush/ed a lot. My face and

> neck are fairly red a lot of the time. I also have noticed

> that I get like this easy, particularly if I get stressed

> out.

> >

> > I have not had a cortisol test yet and know this may

> have something to do with it, right? Is this my next step?

> Any ideas/suggestions?

> >

> > Thanks, Randall

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

High Estradiol levels can mess up your thyroid now that your levels are down

retest your thyroid you might look better.

Here is a link to labs you need run.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/recommended-labwork/

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: forced2fish <ruca4life@...>

> Subject: Re: Been on TRT almost 6 months..Almost dialed

in..couple of questions....

>

> Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 7:39 PM

> Hi Barb,

>

> My thyroid was checked in June and I was in range but on

> the lower end. My doc put me on a thyroid pill but then he

> felt I was maybe going hyper as I was getting really

> flushed...BUT...I'm pretty sure, and I think he would agree

> that it was an estradiol issue as that was before I had my

> estradiol checked. I don't think that he has checked my

> thyroid again but he may have on my most recent set of labs.

> I have not discussed my full results with him yet.

>

> Question regarding that...Now that I'm more on top of my

> estradiol, if I throw the tyroid pills back into the mix,

> shouldn't I be able to figure out within a week or so if

> they are helping? The pills I have are " T3=4.5, T4=19MCG "

> and I was on 1 per day. Thoughts?

>

> And thanks again!

>

>

>

> > > >

> > > > Hi Phil, Barb, and anyone else reading this.

> I have been on TRT for about 6 months now. I am almost

> great..haha..I do test cyp 2 times a week and HCG 3 times

> and Arimidex as needed. All of my levels are good. I'm 36,

> 6'3 " , 204# @ 9% body fat, eat healthy and am in very good

> condition. With all of that said I still have some issues

> that I would really like to get on top of.

> > > >

> > > > 1. I have slight ED. It's not all the time,

> or completely, but it still just isn't like it should be. I

> take Cialis to combat this, which usually works well, but I

> don't feel like I should have to.

> > > >

> > > > 2. Although I'm in good shape, feel good

> overall, and am having good workouts....I still feel tired

> all of the time. I basically feel like I can take a nap at

> any given time, even after I wake up in the morning.

> > > >

> > > > 3. I feel hot, and get flush/ed a lot. My

> face and neck are fairly red a lot of the time. I also have

> noticed that I get like this easy, particularly if I get

> stressed out.

> > > >

> > > > I have not had a cortisol test yet and know

> this may have something to do with it, right? Is this my

> next step? Any ideas/suggestions?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks, Randall

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Well it's not Estrogen that is the bad guy in men it's Estraidol if this is what

your talking about. If your levels are very high above 30 to 50 can mess with

your sex life giving you ED problems and anxiety. As it goes higher it can give

you BPH, brain fog, fatigue even Panic Attacks. And you can hold a ton of

water.

But you need to know what your SHBG is having a higher level of SHBG you can

feel fine with levels in the low 30's pg/ml for Estraidol. As your SHBG goes up

your Free Testosterone will come down SHBG binds up Free T. The lower your SHBG

the lower you need to keep your Estradiol.

My SHBG is between 20 to 22 I keep my Estradol levels at 15 this is my sweet

spot. If you don't get night time and morning wood then your levels might be to

high. I gage my levels by my wood.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: uu1845@... <uu1845@...>

> Subject: RE: Re: Been on TRT almost 6 months..Almost dialed

in..couple of questions....

>

> Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 9:21 PM

> Folks talk about estrogen being a

> cause for fatigue, now I have stupid question.. My Estrogen

> has always been high in the 30's... How should I feel with

> high Estrogen compared to the feeling of normal range

> Estrogen? I never had thyroid issues as well....

>

>  

>

> Re: Been on TRT almost 6

> months..Almost dialed in..couple of questions....

>

>

> Hi Barb,

>

> My thyroid was checked in June and I was in range but on

> the lower end. My doc put me on a thyroid pill but then he

> felt I was maybe going hyper as I was getting really

> flushed...BUT...I'm pretty sure, and I think he would agree

> that it was an estradiol issue as that was before I had my

> estradiol checked. I don't think that he has checked my

> thyroid again but he may have on my most recent set of labs.

> I have not discussed my full results with him yet.

>

> Question regarding that...Now that I'm more on top of my

> estradiol, if I throw the tyroid pills back into the mix,

> shouldn't I be able to figure out within a week or so if

> they are helping? The pills I have are " T3=4.5, T4=19MCG "

> and I was on 1 per day. Thoughts?

>

> And thanks again!

>

>

> > >

> > > Thanks to all who have responded to this. I read

> most of the responses and then lost track of this thread.

> This format here is kind of confusing!!

> > >

> > > I'm still having fatigue issues. I upped my

> arimidex (generic) and that has helped with high estradiol,

> which I had. I still have something else going on, but just

> ran a new round of tests at the

>

> [The entire original message is not included]

>

>

[Guest guest]

1/2 grain can cause negative feed back loop ending up being lower then what you

started with. Its a tease to the system.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi Phil, Barb, and anyone else reading this. I have been on TRT for

about 6 months now. I am almost great..haha..I do test cyp 2 times a week and

HCG 3 times and Arimidex as needed. All of my levels are good. I'm 36, 6'3 " ,

204# @ 9% body fat, eat healthy and am in very good condition. With all of that

said I still have some issues that I would really like to get on top of.

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. I have slight ED. It's not all the time, or completely, but it

still just isn't like it should be. I take Cialis to combat this, which usually

works well, but I don't feel like I should have to.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. Although I'm in good shape, feel good overall, and am having good

workouts....I still feel tired all of the time. I basically feel like I can take

a nap at any given time, even after I wake up in the morning.

> > > > >

> > > > > 3. I feel hot, and get flush/ed a lot. My face and neck are fairly red

a lot of the time. I also have noticed that I get like this easy, particularly

if I get stressed out.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have not had a cortisol test yet and know this may have something to

do with it, right? Is this my next step? Any ideas/suggestions?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks, Randall

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Here is a link to a paper by dam smart guy.

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=12 & t=239

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: forced2fish <ruca4life@...>

> Subject: Re: Been on TRT almost 6 months..Almost dialed

in..couple of questions....

>

> Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 11:27 PM

> I understand...I'm just thinking

> about trying them again and wouldn't want to mess anything

> up. If you are taking thyroid meds, does it shut your

> thyroid production down at all? I have an ex who's doctor

> told her it did, but I think I have read otherwise hear,

> although I can't pinpoint it.

>

>

>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi Phil, Barb, and anyone else

> reading this. I have been on TRT for about 6 months now. I

> am almost great..haha..I do test cyp 2 times a week and HCG

> 3 times and Arimidex as needed. All of my levels are good.

> I'm 36, 6'3 " , 204# @ 9% body fat, eat healthy and am in very

> good condition. With all of that said I still have some

> issues that I would really like to get on top of.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1. I have slight ED. It's not all

> the time, or completely, but it still just isn't like it

> should be. I take Cialis to combat this, which usually works

> well, but I don't feel like I should have to.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2. Although I'm in good shape,

> feel good overall, and am having good workouts....I still

> feel tired all of the time. I basically feel like I can take

> a nap at any given time, even after I wake up in the

> morning.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3. I feel hot, and get flush/ed a

> lot. My face and neck are fairly red a lot of the time. I

> also have noticed that I get like this easy, particularly if

> I get stressed out.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have not had a cortisol test yet

> and know this may have something to do with it, right? Is

> this my next step? Any ideas/suggestions?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks, Randall

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>