Re: News from GP regarding thick blood/high blood volume and high RBC

[Guest guest]

Well I hope this puts your mind at ease. Here in the USA we get to much salt in

the food we eat. So if you had good Aldosterone levels your body is not dumping

your sodium your just at the low end of the range. So I would not worry about

this I went yrs with low sodium due to low Aldosterone levels and my drinking a

lot of water kept me OK. Drink at least 8 glass's of water a day.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Gibcast <gibcast@...>

> Subject: News from GP regarding thick blood/high blood volume

and high RBC

>

> Date: Monday, August 16, 2010, 8:54 AM

> GP told me today that he had been on

> the phone with a leading professor in Hematology (blood) at

> the biggest and oldest hospital we have here in Norway. The

> professor said there is NO WAY that Testosterone gel would

> make my blood thicker, it's the iron. He said I can NOT take

> iron supplements, cause it's increasing my blood thickness

> and volume.

> They want to test me for Hematomacrosis (unlikely that I

> have this due to low Ferritin) and Polycytemia Vera (maybe I

> have this!) - But they didn't call this an emergency. They

> said it can take weeks before I get put into that hospital

> for testing.

> They also said it's no point drawing blood cause they don't

> know the cause of my blood issues at the moment.

> GP told me to start taking Testostertone gel, 2 grams, 200

> mg total, 2 pumps, today. Cause it's not the gel making my

> blood worse.

> GP did not run blood samples today. He said... Come back on

> Thursday! And he told me to drink a lot of water with NO

> salt added. I am thinking: What if blood is getting thicker

> and more volume because I am in reality dehydrated within my

> cells from having too low sodium? Serum sodium was 139 two

> days ago so it's not bad looking, BUT.... I am just

> thinking........... Maybe because I am now drinking less sea

> salt (I don't add anything to my water anymore) I am somehow

> drying up? My Aldosterone values are normal, mid-range btw!

> So maybe it's the lack of SALT doing this to me????????

> What do you think guys?

>

>

>

>      

>

>

[Guest guest]

I only get the salt I add to my food. I only eat clean meat. No processed foods.

I still wonder if drinking too much water when you're low on sodium will cause

you dehydrated, cause the body won't hold onto the water if you're low on

sodium! So the only way, in my mind, to become more Hydrated, is to have a

higher salt intake. IF you need it. But that Aldosterone looked ok to me at

mid-range, so....... Right now I am only doing the sea salt on top of my steaks

and stuff like that.

I feel weird, head pressure etc.so clearly I am not well. GP said " start

testosterone gel again today cause you con't get thicker/more blood by using it!

that's the the Hematologist professor told me today! " - Now, how can THAT be

true if you patients on this group have seen rising hematocrit/hemoglobin while

on TRT? I also read on TRT websites that this can happen! So... ?!??!

> From: Gibcast <gibcast@...>

> Subject: News from GP regarding thick blood/high blood volume

and high RBC

>

> Date: Monday, August 16, 2010, 8:54 AM

> GP told me today that he had been on

> the phone with a leading professor in Hematology (blood) at

> the biggest and oldest hospital we have here in Norway. The

> professor said there is NO WAY that Testosterone gel would

> make my blood thicker, it's the iron. He said I can NOT take

> iron supplements, cause it's increasing my blood thickness

> and volume.

> They want to test me for Hematomacrosis (unlikely that I

> have this due to low Ferritin) and Polycytemia Vera (maybe I

> have this!) - But they didn't call this an emergency. They

> said it can take weeks before I get put into that hospital

> for testing.

> They also said it's no point drawing blood cause they don't

> know the cause of my blood issues at the moment.

> GP told me to start taking Testostertone gel, 2 grams, 200

> mg total, 2 pumps, today. Cause it's not the gel making my

> blood worse.

> GP did not run blood samples today. He said... Come back on

> Thursday! And he told me to drink a lot of water with NO

> salt added. I am thinking: What if blood is getting thicker

> and more volume because I am in reality dehydrated within my

> cells from having too low sodium? Serum sodium was 139 two

> days ago so it's not bad looking, BUT.... I am just

> thinking........... Maybe because I am now drinking less sea

> salt (I don't add anything to my water anymore) I am somehow

> drying up? My Aldosterone values are normal, mid-range btw!

> So maybe it's the lack of SALT doing this to me????????

> What do you think guys?

>

>

>

>      

>

>

[Guest guest]

It happens to men on TRT most of them that are doing big shots. I just got a

post the other day from a guy that is on 400 mgs shots of Test C every 4 weeks

and gives blood to keep his blood thinner. Now that is one dam big shot all at

one time.

If your gel says Testogel it's the same as Androgel here and your dose is not

all that big.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

>

>

> > From: Gibcast <gibcast@...>

>

> > Subject: News from GP regarding thick

> blood/high blood volume and high RBC

>

> >

>

> > Date: Monday, August 16, 2010, 8:54 AM

>

> > GP told me today that he had been on

>

> > the phone with a leading professor in Hematology

> (blood) at

>

> > the biggest and oldest hospital we have here in

> Norway. The

>

> > professor said there is NO WAY that Testosterone gel

> would

>

> > make my blood thicker, it's the iron. He said I can

> NOT take

>

> > iron supplements, cause it's increasing my blood

> thickness

>

> > and volume.

>

> > They want to test me for Hematomacrosis (unlikely that

> I

>

> > have this due to low Ferritin) and Polycytemia Vera

> (maybe I

>

> > have this!) - But they didn't call this an emergency.

> They

>

> > said it can take weeks before I get put into that

> hospital

>

> > for testing.

>

> > They also said it's no point drawing blood cause they

> don't

>

> > know the cause of my blood issues at the moment.

>

> > GP told me to start taking Testostertone gel, 2 grams,

> 200

>

> > mg total, 2 pumps, today. Cause it's not the gel

> making my

>

> > blood worse.

>

> > GP did not run blood samples today. He said... Come

> back on

>

> > Thursday! And he told me to drink a lot of water with

> NO

>

> > salt added. I am thinking: What if blood is getting

> thicker

>

> > and more volume because I am in reality dehydrated

> within my

>

> > cells from having too low sodium? Serum sodium was 139

> two

>

> > days ago so it's not bad looking, BUT.... I am just

>

> > thinking........... Maybe because I am now drinking

> less sea

>

> > salt (I don't add anything to my water anymore) I am

> somehow

>

> > drying up? My Aldosterone values are normal, mid-range

> btw!

>

> > So maybe it's the lack of SALT doing this to

> me????????

>

> > What do you think guys?

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >      

>

> >

>

> >

[Guest guest]

It's compounded t-gel, but the brand i scalled " LIPOSOMAL 10% TESTOSTERONE GEL "

and it's 100 mg testosterone in each 1 gram gel pump.

>

>

>

> > From: Gibcast <gibcast@...>

>

> > Subject: News from GP regarding thick

> blood/high blood volume and high RBC

>

> >

>

> > Date: Monday, August 16, 2010, 8:54 AM

>

> > GP told me today that he had been on

>

> > the phone with a leading professor in Hematology

> (blood) at

>

> > the biggest and oldest hospital we have here in

> Norway. The

>

> > professor said there is NO WAY that Testosterone gel

> would

>

> > make my blood thicker, it's the iron. He said I can

> NOT take

>

> > iron supplements, cause it's increasing my blood

> thickness

>

> > and volume.

>

> > They want to test me for Hematomacrosis (unlikely that

> I

>

> > have this due to low Ferritin) and Polycytemia Vera

> (maybe I

>

> > have this!) - But they didn't call this an emergency.

> They

>

> > said it can take weeks before I get put into that

> hospital

>

> > for testing.

>

> > They also said it's no point drawing blood cause they

> don't

>

> > know the cause of my blood issues at the moment.

>

> > GP told me to start taking Testostertone gel, 2 grams,

> 200

>

> > mg total, 2 pumps, today. Cause it's not the gel

> making my

>

> > blood worse.

>

> > GP did not run blood samples today. He said... Come

> back on

>

> > Thursday! And he told me to drink a lot of water with

> NO

>

> > salt added. I am thinking: What if blood is getting

> thicker

>

> > and more volume because I am in reality dehydrated

> within my

>

> > cells from having too low sodium? Serum sodium was 139

> two

>

> > days ago so it's not bad looking, BUT.... I am just

>

> > thinking........... Maybe because I am now drinking

> less sea

>

> > salt (I don't add anything to my water anymore) I am

> somehow

>

> > drying up? My Aldosterone values are normal, mid-range

> btw!

>

> > So maybe it's the lack of SALT doing this to

> me????????

>

> > What do you think guys?

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >      

>

> >

>

> >

[Guest guest]

Is there any way drinking less salt water can make my blood thicker from me

getting dehydrated from not having enough salt to hold onto the water in my

body?

Is this theory plausible?

I have a HUUUUGE pressure in my head now, feels like its gonna explode!

Should I add the Testosterone gel back tonight?

>

>

>

> > From: Gibcast <gibcast@...>

>

> > Subject: News from GP regarding thick

> blood/high blood volume and high RBC

>

> >

>

> > Date: Monday, August 16, 2010, 8:54 AM

>

> > GP told me today that he had been on

>

> > the phone with a leading professor in Hematology

> (blood) at

>

> > the biggest and oldest hospital we have here in

> Norway. The

>

> > professor said there is NO WAY that Testosterone gel

> would

>

> > make my blood thicker, it's the iron. He said I can

> NOT take

>

> > iron supplements, cause it's increasing my blood

> thickness

>

> > and volume.

>

> > They want to test me for Hematomacrosis (unlikely that

> I

>

> > have this due to low Ferritin) and Polycytemia Vera

> (maybe I

>

> > have this!) - But they didn't call this an emergency.

> They

>

> > said it can take weeks before I get put into that

> hospital

>

> > for testing.

>

> > They also said it's no point drawing blood cause they

> don't

>

> > know the cause of my blood issues at the moment.

>

> > GP told me to start taking Testostertone gel, 2 grams,

> 200

>

> > mg total, 2 pumps, today. Cause it's not the gel

> making my

>

> > blood worse.

>

> > GP did not run blood samples today. He said... Come

> back on

>

> > Thursday! And he told me to drink a lot of water with

> NO

>

> > salt added. I am thinking: What if blood is getting

> thicker

>

> > and more volume because I am in reality dehydrated

> within my

>

> > cells from having too low sodium? Serum sodium was 139

> two

>

> > days ago so it's not bad looking, BUT.... I am just

>

> > thinking........... Maybe because I am now drinking

> less sea

>

> > salt (I don't add anything to my water anymore) I am

> somehow

>

> > drying up? My Aldosterone values are normal, mid-range

> btw!

>

> > So maybe it's the lack of SALT doing this to

> me????????

>

> > What do you think guys?

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >      

>

> >

>

> >

[Guest guest]

I think your dose is 100 mgs and your only getting 10% from this, it's hard to

tell unless you called them and asked them what your gel is = to in a T shot.

My Compounded T was 10% they told me this was a lot I called them and found out

my amount was = to doing a 100 mgs shot of Test C.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > > From: Gibcast <gibcast@...>

>

> >

>

> > > Subject: News from GP regarding

> thick

>

> > blood/high blood volume and high RBC

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > Date: Monday, August 16, 2010, 8:54 AM

>

> >

>

> > > GP told me today that he had been on

>

> >

>

> > > the phone with a leading professor in Hematology

>

> > (blood) at

>

> >

>

> > > the biggest and oldest hospital we have here in

>

> > Norway. The

>

> >

>

> > > professor said there is NO WAY that Testosterone

> gel

>

> > would

>

> >

>

> > > make my blood thicker, it's the iron. He said I

> can

>

> > NOT take

>

> >

>

> > > iron supplements, cause it's increasing my blood

>

> > thickness

>

> >

>

> > > and volume.

>

> >

>

> > > They want to test me for Hematomacrosis (unlikely

> that

>

> > I

>

> >

>

> > > have this due to low Ferritin) and Polycytemia

> Vera

>

> > (maybe I

>

> >

>

> > > have this!) - But they didn't call this an

> emergency.

>

> > They

>

> >

>

> > > said it can take weeks before I get put into

> that

>

> > hospital

>

> >

>

> > > for testing.

>

> >

>

> > > They also said it's no point drawing blood cause

> they

>

> > don't

>

> >

>

> > > know the cause of my blood issues at the moment.

>

> >

>

> > > GP told me to start taking Testostertone gel, 2

> grams,

>

> > 200

>

> >

>

> > > mg total, 2 pumps, today. Cause it's not the gel

>

> > making my

>

> >

>

> > > blood worse.

>

> >

>

> > > GP did not run blood samples today. He said...

> Come

>

> > back on

>

> >

>

> > > Thursday! And he told me to drink a lot of water

> with

>

> > NO

>

> >

>

> > > salt added. I am thinking: What if blood is

> getting

>

> > thicker

>

> >

>

> > > and more volume because I am in reality

> dehydrated

>

> > within my

>

> >

>

> > > cells from having too low sodium? Serum sodium

> was 139

>

> > two

>

> >

>

> > > days ago so it's not bad looking, BUT.... I am

> just

>

> >

>

> > > thinking........... Maybe because I am now

> drinking

>

> > less sea

>

> >

>

> > > salt (I don't add anything to my water anymore) I

> am

>

> > somehow

>

> >

>

> > > drying up? My Aldosterone values are normal,

> mid-range

>

> > btw!

>

> >

>

> > > So maybe it's the lack of SALT doing this to

>

> > me????????

>

> >

>

> > > What do you think guys?

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > >      

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

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[Guest guest]

Here is a link to Salt your Way to Health read this it's been a long time that I

read this.

http://www.eaec.org/bookstore/books/sywth-excerpt.htm

Dr. Brownstein lives in my State and heals breast cance with Iodine.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > > From: Gibcast <gibcast@...>

>

> >

>

> > > Subject: News from GP regarding

> thick

>

> > blood/high blood volume and high RBC

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > Date: Monday, August 16, 2010, 8:54 AM

>

> >

>

> > > GP told me today that he had been on

>

> >

>

> > > the phone with a leading professor in Hematology

>

> > (blood) at

>

> >

>

> > > the biggest and oldest hospital we have here in

>

> > Norway. The

>

> >

>

> > > professor said there is NO WAY that Testosterone

> gel

>

> > would

>

> >

>

> > > make my blood thicker, it's the iron. He said I

> can

>

> > NOT take

>

> >

>

> > > iron supplements, cause it's increasing my blood

>

> > thickness

>

> >

>

> > > and volume.

>

> >

>

> > > They want to test me for Hematomacrosis (unlikely

> that

>

> > I

>

> >

>

> > > have this due to low Ferritin) and Polycytemia

> Vera

>

> > (maybe I

>

> >

>

> > > have this!) - But they didn't call this an

> emergency.

>

> > They

>

> >

>

> > > said it can take weeks before I get put into

> that

>

> > hospital

>

> >

>

> > > for testing.

>

> >

>

> > > They also said it's no point drawing blood cause

> they

>

> > don't

>

> >

>

> > > know the cause of my blood issues at the moment.

>

> >

>

> > > GP told me to start taking Testostertone gel, 2

> grams,

>

> > 200

>

> >

>

> > > mg total, 2 pumps, today. Cause it's not the gel

>

> > making my

>

> >

>

> > > blood worse.

>

> >

>

> > > GP did not run blood samples today. He said...

> Come

>

> > back on

>

> >

>

> > > Thursday! And he told me to drink a lot of water

> with

>

> > NO

>

> >

>

> > > salt added. I am thinking: What if blood is

> getting

>

> > thicker

>

> >

>

> > > and more volume because I am in reality

> dehydrated

>

> > within my

>

> >

>

> > > cells from having too low sodium? Serum sodium

> was 139

>

> > two

>

> >

>

> > > days ago so it's not bad looking, BUT.... I am

> just

>

> >

>

> > > thinking........... Maybe because I am now

> drinking

>

> > less sea

>

> >

>

> > > salt (I don't add anything to my water anymore) I

> am

>

> > somehow

>

> >

>

> > > drying up? My Aldosterone values are normal,

> mid-range

>

> > btw!

>

> >

>

> > > So maybe it's the lack of SALT doing this to

>

> > me????????

>

> >

>

> > > What do you think guys?

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > >      

>

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[Guest guest]

No, 10% means there is 10% testosterone in 1000 mg gel. So 1 gram of gel gives

me 100 mg testosterone! I am sure about it! (Not 100%, but I think it's quite

clear!)

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > > From: Gibcast <gibcast@...>

>

> >

>

> > > Subject: News from GP regarding

> thick

>

> > blood/high blood volume and high RBC

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > Date: Monday, August 16, 2010, 8:54 AM

>

> >

>

> > > GP told me today that he had been on

>

> >

>

> > > the phone with a leading professor in Hematology

>

> > (blood) at

>

> >

>

> > > the biggest and oldest hospital we have here in

>

> > Norway. The

>

> >

>

> > > professor said there is NO WAY that Testosterone

> gel

>

> > would

>

> >

>

> > > make my blood thicker, it's the iron. He said I

> can

>

> > NOT take

>

> >

>

> > > iron supplements, cause it's increasing my blood

>

> > thickness

>

> >

>

> > > and volume.

>

> >

>

> > > They want to test me for Hematomacrosis (unlikely

> that

>

> > I

>

> >

>

> > > have this due to low Ferritin) and Polycytemia

> Vera

>

> > (maybe I

>

> >

>

> > > have this!) - But they didn't call this an

> emergency.

>

> > They

>

> >

>

> > > said it can take weeks before I get put into

> that

>

> > hospital

>

> >

>

> > > for testing.

>

> >

>

> > > They also said it's no point drawing blood cause

> they

>

> > don't

>

> >

>

> > > know the cause of my blood issues at the moment.

>

> >

>

> > > GP told me to start taking Testostertone gel, 2

> grams,

>

> > 200

>

> >

>

> > > mg total, 2 pumps, today. Cause it's not the gel

>

> > making my

>

> >

>

> > > blood worse.

>

> >

>

> > > GP did not run blood samples today. He said...

> Come

>

> > back on

>

> >

>

> > > Thursday! And he told me to drink a lot of water

> with

>

> > NO

>

> >

>

> > > salt added. I am thinking: What if blood is

> getting

>

> > thicker

>

> >

>

> > > and more volume because I am in reality

> dehydrated

>

> > within my

>

> >

>

> > > cells from having too low sodium? Serum sodium

> was 139

>

> > two

>

> >

>

> > > days ago so it's not bad looking, BUT.... I am

> just

>

> >

>

> > > thinking........... Maybe because I am now

> drinking

>

> > less sea

>

> >

>

> > > salt (I don't add anything to my water anymore) I

> am

>

> > somehow

>

> >

>

> > > drying up? My Aldosterone values are normal,

> mid-range

>

> > btw!

>

> >

>

> > > So maybe it's the lack of SALT doing this to

>

> > me????????

>

> >

>

> > > What do you think guys?

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > >      

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

> >

>

> > >

>

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[Guest guest]

Yes that sounds about right if it says this 10% of one gram is 100 mgs. Now how

many grams do you do a day.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > From: Gibcast <gibcast@...>

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > Subject: News from GP

> regarding

>

> > thick

>

> >

>

> > > blood/high blood volume and high RBC

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > Date: Monday, August 16, 2010, 8:54 AM

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > GP told me today that he had been on

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > the phone with a leading professor in

> Hematology

>

> >

>

> > > (blood) at

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > the biggest and oldest hospital we have here

> in

>

> >

>

> > > Norway. The

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > professor said there is NO WAY that

> Testosterone

>

> > gel

>

> >

>

> > > would

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > make my blood thicker, it's the iron. He

> said I

>

> > can

>

> >

>

> > > NOT take

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > iron supplements, cause it's increasing my

> blood

>

> >

>

> > > thickness

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > and volume.

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > They want to test me for Hematomacrosis

> (unlikely

>

> > that

>

> >

>

> > > I

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > have this due to low Ferritin) and

> Polycytemia

>

> > Vera

>

> >

>

> > > (maybe I

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > have this!) - But they didn't call this an

>

> > emergency.

>

> >

>

> > > They

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > said it can take weeks before I get put

> into

>

> > that

>

> >

>

> > > hospital

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > for testing.

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > They also said it's no point drawing blood

> cause

>

> > they

>

> >

>

> > > don't

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > know the cause of my blood issues at the

> moment.

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > GP told me to start taking Testostertone

> gel, 2

>

> > grams,

>

> >

>

> > > 200

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > mg total, 2 pumps, today. Cause it's not the

> gel

>

> >

>

> > > making my

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > blood worse.

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > GP did not run blood samples today. He

> said...

>

> > Come

>

> >

>

> > > back on

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > Thursday! And he told me to drink a lot of

> water

>

> > with

>

> >

>

> > > NO

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > salt added. I am thinking: What if blood is

>

> > getting

>

> >

>

> > > thicker

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > and more volume because I am in reality

>

> > dehydrated

>

> >

>

> > > within my

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > cells from having too low sodium? Serum

> sodium

>

> > was 139

>

> >

>

> > > two

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > days ago so it's not bad looking, BUT.... I

> am

>

> > just

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > thinking........... Maybe because I am now

>

> > drinking

>

> >

>

> > > less sea

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > salt (I don't add anything to my water

> anymore) I

>

> > am

>

> >

>

> > > somehow

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > drying up? My Aldosterone values are

> normal,

>

> > mid-range

>

> >

>

> > > btw!

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > So maybe it's the lack of SALT doing this

> to

>

> >

>

> > > me????????

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > What do you think guys?

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > >      

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have

> been

>

> > removed]

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > >

>

> >

>

> > >

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> >

>

> > > > ------------------------------------

>

> >

>

> > >

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> >

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> > > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > >

[Guest guest]

I did 2 grams per day. Which would give me 200 mg testosterone. I have been off

the gel since Saturday, and I don't feel a lot different other than this: My

mojo is getting better, my " equipment " is working harder (!) and even ejaculate

is stronger. So, this all baffles me. I do wonder if I need to start taking it

again. I am not sweating for some reason, when I shouldn't. Maybe my E2 is just

too high. How often should I check it? Hertoghe says every 3 months.

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > From: Gibcast <gibcast@...>

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > Subject: News from GP

> regarding

>

> > thick

>

> >

>

> > > blood/high blood volume and high RBC

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > Date: Monday, August 16, 2010, 8:54 AM

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > GP told me today that he had been on

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > the phone with a leading professor in

> Hematology

>

> >

>

> > > (blood) at

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > the biggest and oldest hospital we have here

> in

>

> >

>

> > > Norway. The

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > professor said there is NO WAY that

> Testosterone

>

> > gel

>

> >

>

> > > would

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > make my blood thicker, it's the iron. He

> said I

>

> > can

>

> >

>

> > > NOT take

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > iron supplements, cause it's increasing my

> blood

>

> >

>

> > > thickness

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > and volume.

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > They want to test me for Hematomacrosis

> (unlikely

>

> > that

>

> >

>

> > > I

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > have this due to low Ferritin) and

> Polycytemia

>

> > Vera

>

> >

>

> > > (maybe I

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > have this!) - But they didn't call this an

>

> > emergency.

>

> >

>

> > > They

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > said it can take weeks before I get put

> into

>

> > that

>

> >

>

> > > hospital

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > for testing.

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > They also said it's no point drawing blood

> cause

>

> > they

>

> >

>

> > > don't

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > know the cause of my blood issues at the

> moment.

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > GP told me to start taking Testostertone

> gel, 2

>

> > grams,

>

> >

>

> > > 200

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > mg total, 2 pumps, today. Cause it's not the

> gel

>

> >

>

> > > making my

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > blood worse.

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > GP did not run blood samples today. He

> said...

>

> > Come

>

> >

>

> > > back on

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > Thursday! And he told me to drink a lot of

> water

>

> > with

>

> >

>

> > > NO

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > salt added. I am thinking: What if blood is

>

> > getting

>

> >

>

> > > thicker

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > and more volume because I am in reality

>

> > dehydrated

>

> >

>

> > > within my

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > cells from having too low sodium? Serum

> sodium

>

> > was 139

>

> >

>

> > > two

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > days ago so it's not bad looking, BUT.... I

> am

>

> > just

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > thinking........... Maybe because I am now

>

> > drinking

>

> >

>

> > > less sea

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > salt (I don't add anything to my water

> anymore) I

>

> > am

>

> >

>

> > > somehow

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > drying up? My Aldosterone values are

> normal,

>

> > mid-range

>

> >

>

> > > btw!

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > So maybe it's the lack of SALT doing this

> to

>

> >

>

> > > me????????

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > What do you think guys?

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > >      

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have

> been

>

> > removed]

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > ------------------------------------

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Still I don't feel this is = to a 200mg shot. If it were you would be doing 1400

mgs a week. Saying your doing 200 mgs / day shounds like a lot so I don't feel

your doing this much.

Your sex life is working better because your Estradio might have come down. I

do labs every 8 weeks and Check Estradiol each time.

In the following cut and paste it is said with Androgel you only get 10% of the

dose into your body so doing a 50 mgs dose you only get 5 mgs a day.

====================================================

Androgel

Androgel is a clear, alcohol-based gel that contains 1% non-esterified

testosterone. It is very fast-acting once it has been absorbed by the skin, and

so must be applied 1-2 times daily to maintain T levels. It is available in

either unit-dose packets or multiple-dose pumps. The unit dose packets contain

either 25 mg or 50 mg of testosterone. Approximately 10% of the applied

testosterone from the packets is absorbed into the system, resulting in an

effective dose of 2.5 mg or 5.0 mg, respectively.

Androgel should be applied to clean, dry skin and should not be applied to the

genital area. Application sites should be allowed to dry for a few minutes prior

to dressing. Hands should be washed thoroughly with soap and water after

application.

In order to prevent transfer to another person, clothing should be worn to cover

the application sites. If direct skin-to-skin contact with another person is

anticipated, the application sites should be washed thoroughly with soap and

water. Users should wait at least 2 hours after applying before showering or

swimming; for optimal absorption, it may be best to wait 5-6 hours.

Testim

Testim, like Androgel, is a clear, alcohol-based gel that contains 1%

non-esterified testosterone. It is very fast-acting once it has been absorbed by

the skin, and so must be applied 1-2 times daily to maintain T levels. It is

available in 5.0g unit-dose tubes. A 5.0g unit dose tube contains 50 mg of

testosterone. Approximately 10% of the applied testosterone from the tube is

absorbed into the system, resulting in an effective dose of 5.0 mg.

Testim should be applied to clean, dry skin-- preferably to the shoulders and/or

upper arms. It should not be applied to the genitals or to the abdomen.

Application sites should be allowed to dry for a few minutes prior to dressing.

Hands should be washed thoroughly with soap and water after application.

In order to prevent transfer to another person, clothing should be worn to cover

the application sites. If direct skin-to-skin contact with another person is

anticipated, the application sites should be washed thoroughly with soap and

water. Users should wait at least 2 hours after applying before showering or

swimming; for optimal absorption, it may be best to wait 5-6 hours.

--------------------------------------------------

I can't fine info about the Gel your using maybe you should call and ask how

many mgs gets into your body a day I am sure it's not 200 mgs.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > > From: Gibcast <gibcast@...>

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > > Subject: News from GP

>

> > regarding

>

> >

>

> > > thick

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > blood/high blood volume and high RBC

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > > Date: Monday, August 16, 2010, 8:54 AM

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > > GP told me today that he had been on

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > > the phone with a leading professor in

>

> > Hematology

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > (blood) at

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > > the biggest and oldest hospital we have

> here

>

> > in

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > Norway. The

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > > professor said there is NO WAY that

>

> > Testosterone

>

> >

>

> > > gel

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > would

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > > make my blood thicker, it's the iron.

> He

>

> > said I

>

> >

>

> > > can

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > NOT take

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > > iron supplements, cause it's increasing

> my

>

> > blood

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > thickness

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > > and volume.

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > > They want to test me for

> Hematomacrosis

>

> > (unlikely

>

> >

>

> > > that

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > I

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > > have this due to low Ferritin) and

>

> > Polycytemia

>

> >

>

> > > Vera

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > (maybe I

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > > have this!) - But they didn't call this

> an

>

> >

>

> > > emergency.

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > They

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > > said it can take weeks before I get

> put

>

> > into

>

> >

>

> > > that

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > hospital

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > > for testing.

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > > They also said it's no point drawing

> blood

>

> > cause

>

> >

>

> > > they

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > don't

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > > know the cause of my blood issues at

> the

>

> > moment.

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > > GP told me to start taking

> Testostertone

>

> > gel, 2

>

> >

>

> > > grams,

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > 200

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > > mg total, 2 pumps, today. Cause it's

> not the

>

> > gel

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > making my

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > > blood worse.

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > > GP did not run blood samples today. He

>

> > said...

>

> >

>

> > > Come

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > back on

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > > Thursday! And he told me to drink a lot

> of

>

> > water

>

> >

>

> > > with

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > NO

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > > salt added. I am thinking: What if

> blood is

>

> >

>

> > > getting

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > thicker

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > > and more volume because I am in

> reality

>

> >

>

> > > dehydrated

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > within my

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > > cells from having too low sodium?

> Serum

>

> > sodium

>

> >

>

> > > was 139

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > two

>

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