Guest guest Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 At what time of the day did you do them labs the first time they check T levels you need to do them early in the morning when T levels are there highest. You look like your Secondary and I feel your Thyroid TSH is on the high side number wise anything over 2 is a flag going up. You need more testing for Cortisol and Thyroid. Hardasnails and Dr. O have found men with low levels of Cortisol and Thyroid treating this some of there men there Testosterone levels came back up. Here is a link to labs I tell men to get adding to this for Thyroid is Total T3 and T4. http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=5 & t=7059 The following link is full of info the most I ever seen in one place read this. http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=450553 Co-Moderator Phil > From: kingnayar@... <kingnayar@...> > Subject: Primary or secondary? > > Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 9:59 PM > When I was diagnosed with > hypogonadism my Quest Diagnostics lab tests showed the > following results: > > Estradiol ultrasensitive: 20 pg/ml. Reference range: < > or = 29 > Prolactin: 10.5, in range. Reference range: 2.0-18.0 ng/ml > PSA total: 0.3, in range. Reference range: < or = 4.0 > ng/mL > TSH, 3rd generation: 3.55, in range. reference range: > 0.40-4.50 mIU/L > Total T: 253 ng/dl., in range. Reference range: > 250-1100ng/dl > % free T: 1.27 L. out of range. Reference range: 1.5-2.2 > Free T: 32.2 l L, out of range. Reference range: > 35.0-155.0 > LH : 4.2, in range. Reference range: 1.5-9.3 mIU/mL > FSH: 3.2, in range. Reference range: 1.6-8.0 mIU/mL. > > According with this numbers, specially LH and FSH, am I > primary or secondary? My doctor don't tell me. > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 My lab tests ordered by an urologist were done at 9AM. Recently (Nov 2009)my family doctor ordered a basic lab test and my TSH was 2.60 in a range of 0.35-5.50. I posted before in this forum and got valuable advice, but sitll having several doubts. After 1 year on TRT shots there is not improvement in my libido and my wood. Now my doctor put me on HCG monotherapy expecting to get better results. Does that switch makes sense?. Shouldn't he put me on HCG first since I was diagnosed with low testosterone?. Do you think that HCG alone can help me?. If so, is HCG treatment for the rest of my life? Thanks for your help. > > > From: kingnayar@... <kingnayar@...> > > Subject: Primary or secondary? > > > > Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 9:59 PM > > When I was diagnosed with > > hypogonadism my Quest Diagnostics lab tests showed the > > following results: > > > > Estradiol ultrasensitive: 20 pg/ml. Reference range: < > > or = 29 > > Prolactin: 10.5, in range. Reference range: 2.0-18.0 ng/ml > > PSA total: 0.3, in range. Reference range: < or = 4.0 > > ng/mL > > TSH, 3rd generation: 3.55, in range. reference range: > > 0.40-4.50 mIU/L > > Total T: 253 ng/dl., in range. Reference range: > > 250-1100ng/dl > > % free T: 1.27 L. out of range. Reference range: 1.5-2.2 > > Free T: 32.2 l L, out of range. Reference range: > > 35.0-155.0 > > LH : 4.2, in range. Reference range: 1.5-9.3 mIU/mL > > FSH: 3.2, in range. Reference range: 1.6-8.0 mIU/mL. > > > > According with this numbers, specially LH and FSH, am I > > primary or secondary? My doctor don't tell me. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 I be more concern with low thyroid function which can control the whole endocrine system. Get with a good dr that knows this stuff. Your not neither its most likely coming from another source > > When I was diagnosed with hypogonadism my Quest Diagnostics lab tests showed the following results: > > Estradiol ultrasensitive: 20 pg/ml. Reference range: < or = 29 > Prolactin: 10.5, in range. Reference range: 2.0-18.0 ng/ml > PSA total: 0.3, in range. Reference range: < or = 4.0 ng/mL > TSH, 3rd generation: 3.55, in range. reference range: 0.40-4.50 mIU/L > Total T: 253 ng/dl., in range. Reference range: 250-1100ng/dl > % free T: 1.27 L. out of range. Reference range: 1.5-2.2 > Free T: 32.2 l L, out of range. Reference range: 35.0-155.0 > LH : 4.2, in range. Reference range: 1.5-9.3 mIU/mL > FSH: 3.2, in range. Reference range: 1.6-8.0 mIU/mL. > > According with this numbers, specially LH and FSH, am I primary or secondary? My doctor don't tell me. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 While the LH/FSH levels are appropriate to T output, it looks as though you are secondary. No amount of thyroid manipulation will increase your T levels acceptably. Be well! Regards, Crisler, DO Anti-Aging Medicine The information contained in this message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above, and is protected by state and federal law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this document in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately, and delete the original message. We would certainly do the same for you. From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of hardasnails1973 Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:39 AM Subject: Re: Primary or secondary? I be more concern with low thyroid function which can control the whole endocrine system. Get with a good dr that knows this stuff. Your not neither its most likely coming from another source > > When I was diagnosed with hypogonadism my Quest Diagnostics lab tests showed the following results: > > Estradiol ultrasensitive: 20 pg/ml. Reference range: < or = 29 > Prolactin: 10.5, in range. Reference range: 2.0-18.0 ng/ml > PSA total: 0.3, in range. Reference range: < or = 4.0 ng/mL > TSH, 3rd generation: 3.55, in range. reference range: 0.40-4.50 mIU/L > Total T: 253 ng/dl., in range. Reference range: 250-1100ng/dl > % free T: 1.27 L. out of range. Reference range: 1.5-2.2 > Free T: 32.2 l L, out of range. Reference range: 35.0-155.0 > LH : 4.2, in range. Reference range: 1.5-9.3 mIU/mL > FSH: 3.2, in range. Reference range: 1.6-8.0 mIU/mL. > > According with this numbers, specially LH and FSH, am I primary or secondary? My doctor don't tell me. > No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2649 - Release Date: 01/28/10 07:36:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 Men on TRT doing shots that don't feel better after a yr. are not on enough what amount of a T shot do you do and how often. Also men on TRT end up with higher Estradiol levels and if your high it takes away from the good TRT dose. Most of us take Arimidex to keep Estradiol down doing .25 mgs every 2 to 3 days your levels were good before you went on T shots but I am betting they are high now. I did not so good on just HCG only so I now do a 80 mgs Depo T shot every 3 days and I do 400 IU's of HCG the 2 days each in between my T shot. This gets my levels up into the upper 1/3 of my labs range for total and free T and I keep my Estradiol down to about 20 pg/ml. Doing my T shots every 3 days is a smaller shot I need a lot to get my levels up I eat it up as fast as I take it. You might find you need both depo T shots once a week and you need to add in 250 IU's of HCG the 2 days each just before your next T shot. This works the best for most men. Co-Moderator Phil > From: kingnayar@... <kingnayar@...> > Subject: Re: Primary or secondary? > > Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 4:29 PM > My lab tests ordered by an urologist > were done at 9AM. Recently (Nov 2009)my family doctor > ordered a basic lab test and my TSH was 2.60 in a range of > 0.35-5.50. > > I posted before in this forum and got valuable advice, but > sitll having several doubts. > > After 1 year on TRT shots there is not improvement in my > libido and my wood. Now my doctor put me on HCG monotherapy > expecting to get better results. Does that switch makes > sense?. Shouldn't he put me on HCG first since I was > diagnosed with low testosterone?. Do you think that HCG > alone can help me?. If so, is HCG treatment for the rest of > my life? > > Thanks for your help. > > > > > > > From: kingnayar@... <kingnayar@...> > > > Subject: Primary or secondary? > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 9:59 PM > > > When I was diagnosed with > > > hypogonadism my Quest Diagnostics lab tests > showed the > > > following results: > > > > > > Estradiol ultrasensitive: 20 pg/ml. Reference > range: < > > > or = 29 > > > Prolactin: 10.5, in range. Reference range: > 2.0-18.0 ng/ml > > > PSA total: 0.3, in range. Reference range: < > or = 4.0 > > > ng/mL > > > TSH, 3rd generation: 3.55, in range. reference > range: > > > 0.40-4.50 mIU/L > > > Total T: 253 ng/dl., in range. Reference > range: > > > 250-1100ng/dl > > > % free T: 1.27 L. out of range. Reference range: > 1.5-2.2 > > > Free T: 32.2 l L, out of range. Reference range: > > > 35.0-155.0 > > > LH : 4.2, in range. Reference range: 1.5-9.3 > mIU/mL > > > FSH: 3.2, in range. Reference range: 1.6-8.0 > mIU/mL. > > > > > > According with this numbers, specially LH and > FSH, am I > > > primary or secondary? My doctor don't tell me. > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 09:47:06 -0800 (PST), you wrote: >Men on TRT doing shots that don't feel better after a yr. are not on enough what amount of a T shot do you do and how often. Or they have not addressed E2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 Thanks Dr. , thanks Phil, thanks everybody for your answers, I apreciate it. Sorry to bother you again. Supposing I try HCG only and it works for me, should I stay on HCG for the rest of my life? I would like to know if you have heard about someone who is doing or has done good with HCG only. > > > > When I was diagnosed with hypogonadism my Quest Diagnostics lab tests > showed the following results: > > > > Estradiol ultrasensitive: 20 pg/ml. Reference range: < or = 29 > > Prolactin: 10.5, in range. Reference range: 2.0-18.0 ng/ml > > PSA total: 0.3, in range. Reference range: < or = 4.0 ng/mL > > TSH, 3rd generation: 3.55, in range. reference range: 0.40-4.50 mIU/L > > Total T: 253 ng/dl., in range. Reference range: 250-1100ng/dl > > % free T: 1.27 L. out of range. Reference range: 1.5-2.2 > > Free T: 32.2 l L, out of range. Reference range: 35.0-155.0 > > LH : 4.2, in range. Reference range: 1.5-9.3 mIU/mL > > FSH: 3.2, in range. Reference range: 1.6-8.0 mIU/mL. > > > > According with this numbers, specially LH and FSH, am I primary or > secondary? My doctor don't tell me. > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2649 - Release Date: 01/28/10 > 07:36:00 > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 Yes I know men on HCG only that are Secondary and they feel they are doing great on it. One guy sees Dr. Shippen he has him on HCG doing shots 3x's a weeks. At one of the forums Dr. was at he told this guy to try doing HCG 100 mgs everyday he did this and felt even better the last time I talked to this guy he was doing 60 IU's per day of HCG but still needed something to keep his Estradiol down. He used Indolplex/DIM and cut the tables in to small parts and takes this to keep Estradiol levels down. Other men do about 100 IU's per day. Co-Moderator Phil > From: kingnayar@... <kingnayar@...> > Subject: Re: Primary or secondary? > > Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 2:09 PM > Thanks Dr. , thanks Phil, thanks > everybody for your answers, I apreciate it. > > Sorry to bother you again. Supposing I try HCG only and it > works for me, should I stay on HCG for the rest of my life? > > > I would like to know if you have heard about someone who is > doing or has done good with HCG only. > > > > > > > > When I was diagnosed with hypogonadism my Quest > Diagnostics lab tests > > showed the following results: > > > > > > Estradiol ultrasensitive: 20 pg/ml. Reference > range: < or = 29 > > > Prolactin: 10.5, in range. Reference range: > 2.0-18.0 ng/ml > > > PSA total: 0.3, in range. Reference range: < > or = 4.0 ng/mL > > > TSH, 3rd generation: 3.55, in range. reference > range: 0.40-4.50 mIU/L > > > Total T: 253 ng/dl., in range. Reference range: > 250-1100ng/dl > > > % free T: 1.27 L. out of range. Reference range: > 1.5-2.2 > > > Free T: 32.2 l L, out of range. Reference range: > 35.0-155.0 > > > LH : 4.2, in range. Reference range: 1.5-9.3 > mIU/mL > > > FSH: 3.2, in range. Reference range: 1.6-8.0 > mIU/mL. > > > > > > According with this numbers, specially LH and > FSH, am I primary or > > secondary? My doctor don't tell me. > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2649 - > Release Date: 01/28/10 > > 07:36:00 > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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