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You can but get leveled off first and start feeling better the rest will follow.

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Phil

> >

> >> From: james <jimevans_2000>

> >> Subject: Carnitines - better than

> testosterone for erection/orgasm/ impotence?

> >>

> >> Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 10:48 AM

> >> Saw this article today. I can't vouch

> >> for their info - after all, they're selling a

> product that

> >> contains the substances in the story - but I

> thought it was

> >> worth posting. Here's a link to the whole article:

> http://www.life- enhancement. com/article_ template.

> asp?ID=1702

> >>

> >> ...and here are some quotes from the article and

> the

> >> references.

> >>

> >> " Propionyl and acetyl carnitine derivatives beat

> sex

> >> hormone at its own game and enhance Viagra's

> benefits "

> >>

> >> " The researchers conducted a randomized,

> double-blind,

> >>

> > placebo-controlled trial of the effects of

> >> propionyl-L- carnitine and acetyl-L-carnitine,

> taken

> >> together, versus those of testosterone undecanoate

> (a

> >> commonly used chemical derivative that we'll refer

> to simply

> >> as testosterone) ..1 They recruited 150 generally

> healthy men,

> >> aged 60–74 (average 64), whose chief complaints

> were those

> >> typical of older men who feel that they're

> " slowing down " in

> >> various ways. These symptoms include decreased

> libido,

> >> partial to complete impotence, depressed mood, and

> a reduced

> >> ability to concentrate, as well as irritability

> and fatigue.

> >> All the men had very low serum testosterone

> levels.

> >> Of the 150 men, 130 completed the 12-month trial.

> They had

> >> been divided into three groups: Group 1 received

> 160 mg/day

> >> of testosterone; Group 2 received 2 g/day of PLC

> and 2 g/day

> >> of ALC; and Group 3 received a placebo (a 500-mg

> > starch

> >> tablet). The men were examined at the outset of

> the trial

> >> and again at 3 months and 6 months, after which

> the

> >> treatments were halted; the final examination was

> performed

> >> 6 months later. "

> >> " Both Group 1 (testosterone) and Group 2

> (PLC/ALC)

> >> benefited significantly from their respective

> treatments,

> >> with Group 2 faring better overall. First of all,

> neither

> >> treatment increased PSA levels (which is good).

> The

> >> testosterone group showed a significant increase

> in prostate

> >> volume (not good), which was to be expected. After

> 12 months

> >> (i.e., 6 months after treatment had ceased),

> prostate volume

> >> had decreased significantly, but not to the

> baseline level.

> >> By contrast with the testosterone group, the

> PLC/ALC group

> >> showed no increase in prostate volume. "

> >> " Leaving the realm of laboratory tests, the

> researchers

> >> also evaluated the men's

> > sexual function, using the

> >> International Index of Erectile Function (IIEF),

> a

> >> standardized set of questionnaires in five

> categories.

> >> Following are the categories and the results

> observed:

> >>

> >> - Erectile function – Both testosterone and

> PLC/ALC

> >> produced significant improvement at 3 months, with

> further

> >> improvement at 6 months. The improvement with

> PLC/ALC was

> >> significantly better than that with testosterone

> at both

> >> time points.

> >> - Satisfaction with sexual intercourse – With

> both

> >> treatments, there was significant improvement at 6

> months.

> >> - Orgasm – There was no improvement with

> testosterone,

> >> but PLC/ALC produced significant improvement at 3

> months,

> >> with further improvement at 6 months.

> >> - Sexual desire – Both treatments produced

> significant

> >> improvement at 3 months, but no further

> improvement at 6

> >> months.

> >> -

> > General sexual well-being – There was no

> improvement

> >> with testosterone, but PLC/ALC produced

> significant

> >> improvement at 3 months, with no further

> improvement at 6

> >> months. "

> >>

> >> " The prosexual benefits of PLC and ALC are

> supported by the

> >> results of another recent study by the same

> research group,

> >> this one on 96 men (average age 61) who had

> undergone a

> >> prostatectomy of the kind that largely spares the

> nerves

> >> required for erections to occur.2 Many such men

> experience

> >> erectile difficulties and find help in products

> such as

> >> Viagra (sildenafil) . The researchers surmised

> that PLC and

> >> ALC would enhance sildenafil's efficacy in

> restoring or

> >> improving sexual activity after the operation, and

> they

> >> found that this was true. The men who took PLC/ALC

> (2 g/day

> >> of each) in addition to sildenafil (as required)

> for 4

> >> months had significantly

> > better results in virtually all

> >> areas of sexual function than the men who took

> only

> >> sildenafil (as required). "

> >>

> >> References

> >>

> >> - Cavallini G, Caracciolo S, Vitali G, Modenini

> F,

> >> Biagiotti G. Carnitine versus androgen

> administration in the

> >> treatment of sexual dysfunction, depressed mood,

> and fatigue

> >> associated with male aging. Urology 2004;63:641-

> 6.

> >> - Cavallini G, Modenini F, Vitali G, Koverech A.

> >> Acetyl-L-carnitine plus propionyl-L- carnitine

> improve

> >> efficacy of sildenafil in treatment of erectile

> dysfunction

> >> after bilateral nerve-sparing radical retropubic

> >> prostatectomy. Urology 2005;66:1080- 5.

> >> - Gentile V, Vicini P, Prigiotti G, Koverech A, Di

> Silverio

> >> F. Preliminary observations on the use of

> >> propionyl-L- carnitine in combination with

> sildenafil in

> >> patients with erectile dysfunction and diabetes.

> Curr

> > Med

> >> Res Opin 2004;20:1377- 84.

> >> - Michetti PM, Rossi R, Bonanno D, Tiesi A,

> Simonelli C.

> >> Male sexuality and regulation of emotions: a study

> on the

> >> association between alexithymia and erectile

> dysfunction.

> >> Int J Impot Res 2006;18:170- 4.

> >>

> >> -----

> >>

> >> All in all, it sounds like the carnitines might be

> worth

> >> checking out for helping with some of the symptoms

> of low T..

> >> Comments?

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

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[Guest guest]

I started on 5g of androgel about 6 weeks ago. Had T tested last week at 233.

Uro put me on 10g a few days ago and I'm feeling very jittery and hyped up.

Will this go away after my body adjusts or will I have to live with side effect?

[Guest guest]

This should go away in a week it's the body reacting to the change in your

levels. You don't feel hot or sweating easy. Or do you have sore and Hard

nipples with some ED problems this can be your Estraidol levels going up. Do

you feel this way in the morning or all day.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: mpusf <no_reply >

> Subject: androgel

>

> Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 3:54 PM

> I started on 5g of androgel about 6

> weeks ago. Had T tested last week at 233.  Uro put me

> on 10g a few days ago and I'm feeling very jittery and hyped

> up.  Will this go away after my body adjusts or will I

> have to live with side effect?

>

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[Guest guest]

I do feel somewhat hot and prone to sweating more easily today. Feel a little

better right now. No problems with my nipple though so maybe this is just an

adjustment period.

>

> > From: mpusf <no_reply >

> > Subject: androgel

> >

> > Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 3:54 PM

> > I started on 5g of androgel about 6

> > weeks ago. Had T tested last week at 233.  Uro put me

> > on 10g a few days ago and I'm feeling very jittery and hyped

> > up.  Will this go away after my body adjusts or will I

> > have to live with side effect?

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