Guest guest Posted June 28, 2010 Report Share Posted June 28, 2010 Marco, It ain't that bad. Once you get a routine and get used to all of the shots and medication you may need to take, it becomes a part of your life. I'm only 32 and I've been on HRT for about 6 months now and I can't imagine life without it. On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Marc M <MisterX225@...> wrote: > > > > Hey Guys, I hope all is well. > > Those of you who are familiar with my situation and are on TRT, I could use > your advice. > > For those who are not familiar with my situation. I had great natural T > levels (1000), took TRT for 2 weeks, tried to restart my system with > Nolvadex, took TRT right after taking Nolva (T went off the chart), then > stopped for a while, took TRT for one day and never been the same since. > > My side effects: > > - Had ED problems, it has improved, but still not 100% and I can have sex > with Viagra. > > - Put on a lot of weight around my midsection, which is not normal, I think > this might be from having high E2 for a while. > > - Lethargy, depression, libido is not the same, atrophy > > In summary, I feel like I have aged 7 years or so. > > I did go to Dr. and I am awaiting the results of all the tests. So far > my T has been around 750-800 but lower than my baseline of a 1,000. > > If he recommends TRT for me, how is life on TRT. It seems like a daily > struggle of keeping everything in balance and constant bloodwork, etc. > Inconsistency with erections, etc. > > I really don't want to be on TRT, I'll try whatever I can to avoid it, but > if it comes to it, how is it? > > I know the common answer is " Do you want to feel how you feel now or do you > want to feel better. " > > PS: My BCBS won't cover anything. > > Thx All! > > Marco!!! > > > > -- Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2010 Report Share Posted June 28, 2010 Marc: I find it hard to believe that using TRT for a few weeks could cause any lifelong damage that would require a permanent solution. I don't think you want to be injecting yourself every week for the next 50 years. My advice is to quit putting exogenous substances in your body and do only moderate exercise, eat a proper diet and get adequate sleep. I can't imagine why you wanted more " T " when you knew your natural levels were in the high normal range, but you need to think about your motivation and what you were trying to accomplish. Regular use of testosterone will cause your testicles to shrink and shut down. Not a bad thing if you are like me... 60 years old with a starting level of 150. Something else entirely for a young man like you. Sad to say, but after a few years of TRT, what remains of your testicles will be little more that a Christmas tree ornament. Google up the story of Canseco if you what to know where you could be headed. Randy Hoops Springfield, MO > > > Hey Guys, I hope all is well. > > Those of you who are familiar with my situation and are on TRT, I could use your advice. > > For those who are not familiar with my situation. I had great natural T levels (1000), took TRT for 2 weeks, tried to restart my system with Nolvadex, took TRT right after taking Nolva (T went off the chart), then stopped for a while, took TRT for one day and never been the same since. > > My side effects: > > - Had ED problems, it has improved, but still not 100% and I can have sex with Viagra. > > - Put on a lot of weight around my midsection, which is not normal, I think this might be from having high E2 for a while. > > - Lethargy, depression, libido is not the same, atrophy > > In summary, I feel like I have aged 7 years or so. > > I did go to Dr. and I am awaiting the results of all the tests. So far my T has been around 750-800 but lower than my baseline of a 1,000. > > If he recommends TRT for me, how is life on TRT. It seems like a daily struggle of keeping everything in balance and constant bloodwork, etc. Inconsistency with erections, etc. > > I really don't want to be on TRT, I'll try whatever I can to avoid it, but if it comes to it, how is it? > > I know the common answer is " Do you want to feel how you feel now or do you want to feel better. " > > PS: My BCBS won't cover anything. > > Thx All! > > Marco!!! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2010 Report Share Posted June 29, 2010 Marc I can't see you going on TRT with levels this high you need to be below 350. But lets say your labs come back this low and you end up on TRT what you see here and other forums are men not getting the best treatment form Dr.'s they see that are not up on this. So when you read the forums you see posting by men feeling like crap on TRT this is not done right. Most of them men when they get tuned up right we never hear back from them they feel better and stop posting about it. Life on TRT for them men tuned up is great I get Emils all the time from men I helped find a good Dr. and they say this saved there life. Just look at it this way life without TRT and low Testosterone levels is a living Hell. Co-Moderator Phil > From: Marc M <MisterX225@...> > Subject: Life on TRT at 26 > > Date: Monday, June 28, 2010, 11:43 PM > > Hey Guys, I hope all is well. > > Those of you who are familiar with my situation and are on > TRT, I could use your advice. > > For those who are not familiar with my situation. I > had great natural T levels (1000), took TRT for 2 weeks, > tried to restart my system with Nolvadex, took TRT right > after taking Nolva (T went off the chart), then stopped for > a while, took TRT for one day and never been the same > since. > > My side effects: > > - Had ED problems, it has improved, but still not 100% and > I can have sex with Viagra. > > - Put on a lot of weight around my midsection, which is not > normal, I think this might be from having high E2 for a > while. > > - Lethargy, depression, libido is not the same, atrophy > > In summary, I feel like I have aged 7 years or so. > > I did go to Dr. and I am awaiting the results of all > the tests. So far my T has been around 750-800 but > lower than my baseline of a 1,000. > > If he recommends TRT for me, how is life on TRT. It > seems like a daily struggle of keeping everything in balance > and constant bloodwork, etc. Inconsistency with > erections, etc. > > I really don't want to be on TRT, I'll try whatever I can > to avoid it, but if it comes to it, how is it? > > I know the common answer is " Do you want to feel how you > feel now or do you want to feel better. " > > PS: My BCBS won't cover anything. > > Thx All! > > Marco!!! > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2010 Report Share Posted June 29, 2010 It's sad but true men doing just a small amount of Testosteone like 2.5 grams of Androgel for 10 days will become shut down. I see this all the time at the bodybuilding forums men try doing this thinking it will up there sex like or give them gains in the gym. Then they end up at the Men's Health forums at MESO or some of the Bodybuilding forums with low Testosterone levels and not knowing what to do. Co-Moderator Phil > From: k0cm <Randy@...> > Subject: Re: Life on TRT at 26 > > Date: Tuesday, June 29, 2010, 12:59 AM > Marc: > > I find it hard to believe that using TRT for a few weeks > could cause any lifelong damage that would require a > permanent solution. > > I don't think you want to be injecting yourself every week > for the next 50 years. > > My advice is to quit putting exogenous substances in your > body and do only moderate exercise, eat a proper diet and > get adequate sleep. > > I can't imagine why you wanted more " T " when you knew your > natural levels were in the high normal range, but you need > to think about your motivation and what you were trying to > accomplish. > > Regular use of testosterone will cause your testicles to > shrink and shut down. Not a bad thing if > you are like me... 60 years old with a starting level of > 150. Something else entirely for a young man like > you. > > Sad to say, but after a few years of TRT, what remains of > your testicles will be little more that a Christmas tree > ornament. Google up the story of Canseco if you > what to know where you could be headed. > > Randy Hoops > Springfield, MO > > > > > > > > Hey Guys, I hope all is well. > > > > Those of you who are familiar with my situation and > are on TRT, I could use your advice. > > > > For those who are not familiar with my > situation. I had great natural T levels (1000), took > TRT for 2 weeks, tried to restart my system with Nolvadex, > took TRT right after taking Nolva (T went off the chart), > then stopped for a while, took TRT for one day and never > been the same since. > > > > My side effects: > > > > - Had ED problems, it has improved, but still not 100% > and I can have sex with Viagra. > > > > - Put on a lot of weight around my midsection, which > is not normal, I think this might be from having high E2 for > a while. > > > > - Lethargy, depression, libido is not the same, > atrophy > > > > In summary, I feel like I have aged 7 years or so. > > > > I did go to Dr. and I am awaiting the results of > all the tests. So far my T has been around 750-800 but > lower than my baseline of a 1,000. > > > > If he recommends TRT for me, how is life on TRT. > It seems like a daily struggle of keeping everything in > balance and constant bloodwork, etc. Inconsistency > with erections, etc. > > > > I really don't want to be on TRT, I'll try whatever I > can to avoid it, but if it comes to it, how is it? > > > > I know the common answer is " Do you want to feel how > you feel now or do you want to feel better. " > > > > PS: My BCBS won't cover anything. > > > > Thx All! > > > > Marco!!! > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2010 Report Share Posted June 29, 2010 Sorry to butt in on this thread, but is this true, will TRT cause shrinkage? is this why people take HCG to counter this? Thanks chris > Regular use of testosterone will cause your testicles to shrink and shut down. Not a bad thing if you are like me... 60 years old with a starting level of 150. Something else entirely for a young man like you. > > Sad to say, but after a few years of TRT, what remains of your testicles will be little more that a Christmas tree ornament. Google up the story of Canseco if you what to know where you could be headed. > > Randy Hoops > Springfield, MO > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2010 Report Share Posted June 29, 2010 Would you agree that adding more testosterone is probably not the best way to go? Randy > > It's sad but true men doing just a small amount of Testosteone like 2.5 grams of Androgel for 10 days will become shut down. I see this all the time at the bodybuilding forums men try doing this thinking it will up there sex like or give them gains in the gym. Then they end up at the Men's Health forums at MESO or some of the Bodybuilding forums with low Testosterone levels and not knowing what to do. > Co-Moderator > Phil > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2010 Report Share Posted June 29, 2010 For some reason, I think my first post wasn't clear. Yes I made a mistake and took testosterone when I didn't need it. I wanted to to do steroids and didn't want to buy them illegally so I went to a TRT doc in Florida to obtain T cream, I made a serious mistake. I have learned my lesson. Trust me, I've learned my lesson. However, I am still having side effects close to a year later. It's possible my body is having a problem removing some various types of E. I don't know yet. I don't ever want to touch TRT or anything. I am a patient of Dr. Crisler's and I'm awaiting my lab work and my consultation. When I posted last night, I was just thinking about a worse case scenario. Maybe I shouldn't think this way, but there is times when I get really stressed out over everything and I guess I was just venting. My goal is to get back to normal sans TRT. The reason I thought TRT might be a possibility for me is because in one of Dr. Crisler's lectures he mentions some people have good T levels in the morning, but that's all they have to work with for the whole day. Bloodwork is only a snapshot in time. Also, in his lecture, he mentions that some peoples endocrine systems are designed to fail. I tinkered with my Endocrine system and yet have side effects almost a year later. Every person's body is different. Its been a pretty tough road for me during the past year (my fault of course). I just want to feel better, that's all. Thank you all, Marc > > > > It's sad but true men doing just a small amount of Testosteone like 2.5 grams of Androgel for 10 days will become shut down. I see this all the time at the bodybuilding forums men try doing this thinking it will up there sex like or give them gains in the gym. Then they end up at the Men's Health forums at MESO or some of the Bodybuilding forums with low Testosterone levels and not knowing what to do. > > Co-Moderator > > Phil > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2010 Report Share Posted June 29, 2010 Yes, TRT will cause your body to stop producing T on its own. HCG is used because it acts like LH and keeps your testes functioning and producing T. It also helps with shrinkage. > > Regular use of testosterone will cause your testicles to shrink and shut down. Not a bad thing if you are like me... 60 years old with a starting level of 150. Something else entirely for a young man like you. > > > > Sad to say, but after a few years of TRT, what remains of your testicles will be little more that a Christmas tree ornament. Google up the story of Canseco if you what to know where you could be headed. > > > > Randy Hoops > > Springfield, MO > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2010 Report Share Posted June 29, 2010 Yes in some men it will do this not everyone is the same some men on TRT don't get shut down as bad as others. HCG keeps your Testis from shrinkage. But it's not as big a problem as it looks my testis were shut down 23 yrs adding HCG they came back. So if your testis work good they will come back is they work only 50% then they will come back to what you had before TRT is there is something wrong with them and they keep going down hill this is what they would do not on TRT the they will only work as good as they can. Co-Moderator Phil > From: <chrisjtaylor46@...> > Subject: Re: Life on TRT at 26 > > Date: Tuesday, June 29, 2010, 10:50 AM > Sorry to butt in on this thread, but > is this true, will TRT cause shrinkage? > > is this why people take HCG to counter this? > > Thanks > > chris > > > > Regular use of testosterone will cause your testicles > to shrink and shut down. Not a bad thing if > you are like me... 60 years old with a starting level of > 150. Something else entirely for a young man like > you. > > > > Sad to say, but after a few years of TRT, what remains > of your testicles will be little more that a Christmas tree > ornament. Google up the story of Canseco if you > what to know where you could be headed. > > > > Randy Hoops > > Springfield, MO > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2010 Report Share Posted June 29, 2010 Chilln at Dr. 's did a post about the dose and hitting the sweet spot on TRT for Estradiol more is not better you need to find the dose that works best for you. ================================================ E2 Sweet Spot by Chilln at Dr. ’s forum. continued from post #8 in this thread, ie: http://musclechatroom.com/forum/show...14 & postcount=8 PLAN A: The healthiest method of optimizing E2 levels is to simply minimize your T boost, to the point which is " just above " your minimum acceptable level of damage tolerance. ### * If you exercise very hard, you're going to need a lot more T than if you exercise very little. * Reducing your T boosters will reduce both your maximum T levels, and your minimum T levels. This works if you metabolize T relatively slowly, in which case your minimum T levels will not be too low. * But if you metabolize T very quickly, then you may find that this method lets your minimum T levels drop too low. * As you and your medical professional adviser gradually lower your maximum T levels, your E2 levels will also reduce, and hopefully you will find a balance between T and E2 which suits your sexual performance goals. * If you discover that by using this method, you can occasionally experience optimum sexual performance, then your ability to maintain that for extended periods is dependant on how stable your E2 levels are, and the stability of your E2 levels depends on minimizing your maximum T levels, and ensuring your minimum T levels are still adequate (no sore joints, no sore back, no stiff neck, don't catch flu quickly). * Keep gradually reducing your maximum T levels, looking for your E2 sweet spot, until eventually your minimum T levels are too low during the day / week (ie: sore joints, or sore back, or you catch a flu quickly). ### If you haven't experienced a sweet spot for your E2 usign this method, then you need to consider PLAN B. PLAN B: Always attempt PLAN B if PLAN A fails to deliver the goods. Don't skip PLAN B. For those who supplement using transdermal T, reduce your maximum daily T levels by taking less-than-half-of-your-existing-daily-dosage-of-T, twice per day. For those who supplement using injected T ester (eg: T cypionate), reduce your maximum weekly T levels by either: a) taking less-than-half-of-your-existing-weekly-dosage-of-T, twice-per-week, or taking less-than-3/7-of-your-existing-weekly-dosage-of-T, once-every-3-days. ### * This will definitely reduce your peak T levels, while still ensuring that your minimum T levels do not drop. * The additional reduction in max T levels, without reducing your minimum T levels, will further allow your E2 levels to reduce, and hopefully that's enough to find your E2 sweet spot. * The equivalent mechanism for those who supplement using injected T esters (eg: testosterone cypionate) is to take less-than-half-of-your-existing-weekly-dosage-of-T, twice per week, or less-than-3/7-of-your-existing-weekly-dosage-of-T, every 3 days. * As you and your medical professional adviser gradually lower your maximum T levels, your E2 levels will also reduce, and hopefully you will find a balance between T and E2 which suits your sexual performance goals. * If you discover that by using this method, you can occasionally experience optimum sexual performance, then your ability to maintain that for extended periods is dependant on how stable your E2 levels are, and the stability of your E2 levels depends on your maximum T levels (not your minimum T levels). ### But you may discover that you still cannot find a sweet spot for both T and E2 using just this method. In which case consider PLAN C. PLAN C: ( OPTIONAL) This option is only available if you initially started out on a transdermal formulation of T. Switch from using a transdermal formulation of T to using an injected form of T ester - eg: " T cyp " (testosterone cypionate). Initially try once-per-week dosing, but switch to twice-per-week, or once-every-3-days dosing if you need to lower E2 levels even further. ### * Our body makes E2 out of T, using the " aromatase " enzyme, and we have high concentrations of aromatase enzymes in our subcutaneous body fat. * The transdermal forumations of T convert into more E2 and DHT than the injected T esters, because the transdermal formulations place the T in close proximity to the large concentration of aromatase enzymes in our body fat, while the injected T esters are designed for intra-muscular injection (not subcutanoues) and therefore the T is placed a long long way from those aromate enzymes in our body fat. * After switching from transdermal T to injected T esters, your E2 levels should also reduce, and hopefully you will find a balance between T and E2 which suits your sexual performance goals, but the stability of your E2 levels still depends on your maximum T levels (not your minimum T levels). * Initially try once-per-week dosing as discussed in PLAN B for T cyp users. * If using once-per-week dosing continues to result in too high maximum levels of T, while you are trying to ensure that your minimum T throughout the week is still above your minimum requirements for T, then you will need to add back the PLAN B multiple-times-per-week dosing - even for T cyp. ### But you may discover that you still cannot find a sweet spot for both T and E2 using just this method. In which case consider PLAN D. PLAN D: This alternative is to adjust both your T and HCG dosages, and use arimidex / anastrozole to optimize E2. But you should still be implementing the multiple-times-per-day dosing methodology from PLAN B and the final stage of PLAN C ### * This is not a trivial concept. You will be messing with T and E2 levels for months. * The most important concept with arimidex / anastrozole supplementtion is very reliable and accurate dosing. I very strongly recommend that you and your medical professional adviser adopt a more frequent dosing of arimidex / anastrozole than once-every-two-days, ie: by adopting daily dosing of arimidex / anastrozole, using small-but-reliable doses of compounded arimidex / anastrozole. ....This is detailed here: ....http://musclechatroom.com/forum/show...6 & postcount=31 * You may find that you need 0.1mg per day, or 0.15mg per day, or 0.2mg per day, instead of 0.5mg every second day. * After adjusting arimidex dosages and T dosages, you will definitely discover occasional optimum T versus E2 balance, and with that you will achieve occasional optimum sexual performance. Whether you can maintain that optimum sexual performance for the majority of each week is dependant on how stable your E2 levels are, and the stability of your E2 levels depends on your maximum T levels. ### But you may discover that you still cannot find a sweet spot for both T and E2 using just this method. In which case consider PLAN E. PLAN E: Boost T even less than before, and boost GH to provide the additional damage tolerance lost from the reduction in T levels. But continue to maintain using the multiple-times-per-day dosing methodology used in the final stages of the previous plans. But back off the arimidex / anastrozole completely. ### * Both T and GH trigger many of the same repairs (not 100% overlap) so you can safely reduce T, if you boost GH. * By further reducing your peak T levels, you further reduce the rate of conversion of T into E2. This assumes you reduce your supplemental T dosage when you add in the boost to GH. * By further reducing your peak T levels, your T and E2 levels will be more stable, and you'll find it easier to find your sweet spot for E2. But you may discover that you still cannot find a sweet spot for both T and E2 using just this method. In which case consider PLAN F. PLAN F This is simply the combination of PLAN E (GH boost, multiple times-per-day/week dosing) plus compounded arimidex / anastrozole. ### * This should only be necessary if: ....a) you haven't been able to afford sufficient recombinant GH to allow you to reduce your T levels by an adequate amount. or .... your can only afford GHRP-6, not recombinant GH, and your body's response to the GHRP-6 is inadequate amounts of GH. .. ________________________________________ Last edited by chilln; 16 Hours Ago at 07:12 PM. Co-Moderator Phil > From: k0cm <Randy@...> > Subject: Re: Life on TRT at 26 > > Date: Tuesday, June 29, 2010, 10:56 AM > Would you agree that adding more > testosterone is probably not the best way to go? > > Randy > > > > > > It's sad but true men doing just a small amount of > Testosteone like 2.5 grams of Androgel for 10 days will > become shut down. I see this all the time at the > bodybuilding forums men try doing this thinking it will up > there sex like or give them gains in the gym. Then > they end up at the Men's Health forums at MESO or some of > the Bodybuilding forums with low Testosterone levels and not > knowing what to do. > > Co-Moderator > > Phil > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2010 Report Share Posted June 29, 2010 If your Pituitary is bad then you can get your Testosterone levels up using HCG but like myself I don't feel all that great on just HCG I need some Testosterone with it. If you have a pituitary problem there is not a thing going on TRT will mess up anymore then your all ready are. Co-Moderator Phil > From: <chrisjtaylor46@...> > Subject: Re: Life on TRT at 26 > > Date: Tuesday, June 29, 2010, 1:46 PM > well i have low levels of FSH and LSH > ? Just above low end of ref range, and have low T > levels (10.7 - range 10-30). i suppose it could be > more of a pituitary issue for me then? > > should i just wait and see what the endo says before asking > him about hcg etc? I'm not on anything at the moment, > and the thought of TRT does scare me a bit, even though i > feel bad most of the time. i know enough about say > thyroid replacement for that not to bother me, but TRT, well > i'm not so sure about, don't know much. don't want the > shrinkage issue or to mess everything up by taking TRT and > shutting everything down, tho my understanding is that the > gland will start working as well as it's able once hormone > supplements have been withdrawn? > > > > > > Yes in some men it will do this not everyone is the > same some men on TRT don't get shut down as bad as > others. HCG keeps your Testis from shrinkage. > But it's not as big a problem as it looks my testis were > shut down 23 yrs adding HCG they came back. So if your > testis work good they will come back is they work only 50% > then they will come back to what you had before TRT is there > is something wrong with them and they keep going down hill > this is what they would do not on TRT the they will only > work as good as they can. > > Co-Moderator > > Phil > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2010 Report Share Posted June 29, 2010 Good news guys, I will have my first follow up today with Dr. Crisler. I'm excited and awaiting his call. I'll let you guys know what's going on. Who be hijacking my thread =P That was so funny when you put that, lol. This is a fantastic group! - Marc > > > Regular use of testosterone will cause your testicles > > to shrink and shut down. Not a bad thing if > > you are like me... 60 years old with a starting level of > > 150. Something else entirely for a young man like > > you. > > > > > > Sad to say, but after a few years of TRT, what remains > > of your testicles will be little more that a Christmas tree > > ornament. Google up the story of Canseco if you > > what to know where you could be headed. > > > > > > Randy Hoops > > > Springfield, MO > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2010 Report Share Posted June 29, 2010 Marc, I have been reading your recent emails, and I can relate to your anxiety over everything as I can get the same way. I spent about 2 weeks on another group posting every single day with questions and concerns (but mostly complaints). My advice to you is to just be patient and allow Dr. Crisler to do his job with you. Things probably aren't going to make any sense in the beginning and there may also be road bumps but don't fret because it is all part of the process. You're in good hands there. Mike On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Marc M <MisterX225@...> wrote: > > > > Good news guys, I will have my first follow up today with Dr. Crisler. > > I'm excited and awaiting his call. > > I'll let you guys know what's going on. > > Who be hijacking my thread =P > > That was so funny when you put that, lol. > > This is a fantastic group! > > - Marc > > > > > > > Regular use of testosterone will cause your testicles > > > to shrink and shut down. Not a bad thing if > > > you are like me... 60 years old with a starting level of > > > 150. Something else entirely for a young man like > > > you. > > > > > > > > Sad to say, but after a few years of TRT, what remains > > > of your testicles will be little more that a Christmas tree > > > ornament. Google up the story of Canseco if you > > > what to know where you could be headed. > > > > > > > > Randy Hoops > > > > Springfield, MO > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2010 Report Share Posted June 29, 2010 Thx Mike, This is not an easy thing for people on here, but I am happy to be part of this great group. I'll get better, I'll get through this. You're right, I need to be patient. Good luck! Marc > > > > > Regular use of testosterone will cause your testicles > > > > to shrink and shut down. Not a bad thing if > > > > you are like me... 60 years old with a starting level of > > > > 150. Something else entirely for a young man like > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > > Sad to say, but after a few years of TRT, what remains > > > > of your testicles will be little more that a Christmas tree > > > > ornament. Google up the story of Canseco if you > > > > what to know where you could be headed. > > > > > > > > > > Randy Hoops > > > > > Springfield, MO > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2010 Report Share Posted June 29, 2010 It's all good. Co-Moderator Phil > From: Marc M <MisterX225@...> > Subject: Re: Life on TRT at 26 > > Date: Tuesday, June 29, 2010, 2:56 PM > > Good news guys, I will have my first follow up today with > Dr. Crisler. > > I'm excited and awaiting his call. > > I'll let you guys know what's going on. > > Who be hijacking my thread =P > > That was so funny when you put that, lol. > > This is a fantastic group! > > - Marc > > > > > > > Regular use of testosterone will cause your > testicles > > > to shrink and shut down. Not a bad thing if > > > you are like me... 60 years old with a starting > level of > > > 150. Something else entirely for a young man > like > > > you. > > > > > > > > Sad to say, but after a few years of TRT, > what remains > > > of your testicles will be little more that a > Christmas tree > > > ornament. Google up the story of Canseco > if you > > > what to know where you could be headed. > > > > > > > > Randy Hoops > > > > Springfield, MO > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2010 Report Share Posted June 29, 2010 Marc,.....try to chill out my friend! You spent the money to see Crisler, now let him do his thing. Part of your problem IMHO is you are so full of anxiety that you can't relax and let it go for awhile. Things will work out, but it may take a little time to get in balance. If I can wait to do things the right way, you can also! ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2010 Report Share Posted June 29, 2010 You're welcome. On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 1:21 PM, marc200134470 <cfs38@...> wrote: > > > Marc,.....try to chill out my friend! > You spent the money to see Crisler, now let him do his thing. > > Part of your problem IMHO is you are so full of anxiety that you can't > relax and let it go for awhile. Things will work out, but it may take a > little time to get in balance. > > If I can wait to do things the right way, you can also! ) > > > -- Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2010 Report Share Posted June 29, 2010 Mike, I guess I am missing the point,.....what did I do? I presume I repeated similar advice you gave him. If so I am sorry, but sometimes I don't read all the posts. > > > > > > > Marc,.....try to chill out my friend! > > You spent the money to see Crisler, now let him do his thing. > > > > Part of your problem IMHO is you are so full of anxiety that you can't > > relax and let it go for awhile. Things will work out, but it may take a > > little time to get in balance. > > > > If I can wait to do things the right way, you can also! ) > > > > > > > > > > -- > Mike > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2010 Report Share Posted June 29, 2010 That post was directed to the other Marc. Too many f'n Marcs for one post...LOL. On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 1:38 PM, marc200134470 <cfs38@...> wrote: > > > Mike, I guess I am missing the point,.....what did I do? > I presume I repeated similar advice you gave him. If so I am sorry, but > sometimes I don't read all the posts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc,.....try to chill out my friend! > > > You spent the money to see Crisler, now let him do his thing. > > > > > > Part of your problem IMHO is you are so full of anxiety that you can't > > > relax and let it go for awhile. Things will work out, but it may take a > > > little time to get in balance. > > > > > > If I can wait to do things the right way, you can also! ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Mike > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2010 Report Share Posted June 29, 2010 Yea,......I can see how it can get confusing Mike! No problem at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc,.....try to chill out my friend! > > > > You spent the money to see Crisler, now let him do his thing. > > > > > > > > Part of your problem IMHO is you are so full of anxiety that you can't > > > > relax and let it go for awhile. Things will work out, but it may take a > > > > little time to get in balance. > > > > > > > > If I can wait to do things the right way, you can also! ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2010 Report Share Posted June 30, 2010 Hmmm... good question Marc. I agree with others here that if your T is between 500-800 or thereabouts, don't start TRT. That said, only a good doctor like Crisler knows for sure. Me, I don't like this TRT much. I'm 53 and I've been doing injections for a few months. I don't mind the injections so much; what I don't like is now I'm may need Arimidex and DHEA and some other stuff to manage the high E and so on. I guess I'm just a bit tired of all the " maintenance " that goes on with this problem. I take meds for other issues, so more meds isn't too appealing. The alternative for me is to live with low T which I do not want to do. So, it becomes a " lesser evil " choice. If there is any way for you to avoind the TRT, I say " don't start " . I also say " don't live with low T - the therapy is worth the hassle " . Bill ________________________________ From: Marc M <MisterX225@...> Sent: Mon, June 28, 2010 11:43:45 PM Subject: Life on TRT at 26  Hey Guys, I hope all is well. Those of you who are familiar with my situation and are on TRT, I could use your advice. For those who are not familiar with my situation. I had great natural T levels (1000), took TRT for 2 weeks, tried to restart my system with Nolvadex, took TRT right after taking Nolva (T went off the chart), then stopped for a while, took TRT for one day and never been the same since. My side effects: - Had ED problems, it has improved, but still not 100% and I can have sex with Viagra. - Put on a lot of weight around my midsection, which is not normal, I think this might be from having high E2 for a while. - Lethargy, depression, libido is not the same, atrophy In summary, I feel like I have aged 7 years or so. I did go to Dr. and I am awaiting the results of all the tests. So far my T has been around 750-800 but lower than my baseline of a 1,000. If he recommends TRT for me, how is life on TRT. It seems like a daily struggle of keeping everything in balance and constant bloodwork, etc. Inconsistency with erections, etc. I really don't want to be on TRT, I'll try whatever I can to avoid it, but if it comes to it, how is it? I know the common answer is " Do you want to feel how you feel now or do you want to feel better. " PS: My BCBS won't cover anything. Thx All! Marco!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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