Guest guest Posted March 9, 2001 Report Share Posted March 9, 2001 Dan, There is a wealth of evidence suggesting the possible benefits of ZMA. Here are some references I hope you find useful. 1. Brilla, L.R., & Conte, V. (1999). A novel zinc and magnesium formulation (ZMA) increases anabolic hormones and strength in athletes. Medicine and Science in Sports & Exercise, 31, 483 2. Brilla, L.R., & Haley, T.F. (1992). Effect of magnesium supplementation on strength training in humans. Journal of the American College of Nutrition, 11, 326-329 3. Collipp, P.J., Castro-Magana, M., Petrovic, M., , J., Cheruvanky, T., Chen, S.Y., & Sussman, H, (1982). Zinc deficiency: Improvement in growth and growth hormone levels with oral zinc therapy. ls of Nutrition and Metabolism, 26, 287-290 4. Deuster, P.A., Dolev, E., , S.B., , R.A., & Schoonmaker, E.B. (1987). Magnesium homeostasis during high-intensity anaerobic exercise. Journal of Applied Physiology, 62, 545-550 5. Disch G, Classen HG, Haubold W, Spatling L. (1994). Interactions between magnesium and iron. In vitro studies. Arzneimittelforschung, 44, 647-50 6. Dressendorfer, R.A., Sockolov, R. (1980). Hypozincemia in runners. Physician and Sportsmedicine, 8, 97-100 7. Krotkiewski, M., Gudmundsson, M., Backstrom, P., & Mandroukas, K. (1982). Zinc and muscle strength and endurance. Acta Physiologica Scandinavica, 116, 309-311 8. Lukaski, H.C. (2000). Magnesium, zinc, and chromium nutriture and physical activity. American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 72, 585S-593S 9. Ninh, N.X., Thissen, J.P., Collette, L., Gerard, G., Khoi, H.H., & Ketelslegers, J.M. (1996). Zinc supplementation increases growth and circulating insulin-like growth factor 1 (IGF-1) in growth-retarded Vietnamese children. American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 63, 514-519 10. Wood, R.J., & Zheng, J.J. (1997). High dietary calcium intakes reduce zinc absorption and balance in humans. American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 65, 1803-1809 Darren London ----- Original Message ----- From: " Dan Jaspen " <mijaspen@...> < Okay, folks, lets start a thread on this much touted supplement called ZMA. What do people think? Is it legit or a rip-off? Anyone feel it helped? [ZMA ingredients are zinc salts, magnesium aspartate and vitamin B6. MelSiff] > > > > If volume of daily discussion seems too great, simply change your subscription to receive web mail which you can choose to read at: > > supertraining > > when you are less busy. Modify your subscription here: > > mygroups > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2001 Report Share Posted March 9, 2001 I'm on my second bottle of biotest zma. The best thing about it is that I sleep alot better when using it. Al Vendette Aylmer Canada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2001 Report Share Posted May 16, 2001 Is it Magnesium and Zinc, blended? That is what ZMA fuel is...I believe it helps regenerate muscle and rebuild it. HUGS in aRk ZMA user! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2001 Report Share Posted May 16, 2001 ---ZINC, MAGNESIUM.....= ZMA In @y..., " Alan Strong " <comic@n...> wrote: > Hey kids, > I ordered what I thought was ZMA fuel online and I just got ZMA is this the same thing??? What exactly will this do for me, anyone out there know this?? > Thanks Trudy > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2001 Report Share Posted May 20, 2001 , But.... is this different than the ZMA FUEL or is it the same thing?? I am taking 2 tablets a day, once in the morning one in the afternoon. I don't feel much difference yet, but I know everything takes time.. Thanks for you help.... Trudy Re: ZMA Is it Magnesium and Zinc, blended? That is what ZMA fuel is...I believe it helps regenerate muscle and rebuild it. HUGS in aRk ZMA user! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2001 Report Share Posted May 20, 2001 Trudy, You should be taking you ZMA at night. It tends to relax you and perhaps make you a little tired. Pat Nevada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2001 Report Share Posted May 21, 2001 Trudy, I bet it is the same thing. ZMA doesn't sound as COOL as ZMA FUEL right? But if it is Magnesium and ZInc mixed, it is probably the same thing. Someone much wiser than me on this list (which narrows it down to...all the rest of em! LOL) told me to make sure I was taking the ZMA fuel at nite since that is when it did its repair work on our muscles. It starts about 90 minutes after we doze off! So take 2 at nite for best results! HUGS in ARk 3-08 322-269 and FINALLY gonna weigh again today..wish me LUCK....and LOSS jhaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2001 Report Share Posted May 21, 2001 Trudy, Yes, you should take ZMA at night. According to the discharge instructions portion of the patient manual: " Take on an empty stomach, 30-60 minutes before bedtime. Healing, recovery, tissue repair and muscle growth are maximized during sleep when growth hormone is released by the pituitary gland. Zinc and magnesium may potentiate this healing effect of growth hormones during sleep. Other reported benefits of ZMA include increased physical endurance, a decrease in muscle cramps and strains, faster healing from injuries, improved mental concentration and alertness, decreased water retention, and deeper, more restful sleep. " Georgina Re: ZMA > Trudy, > You should be taking you ZMA at night. It tends to relax you and perhaps make > you a little tired. > Pat > Nevada > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2001 Report Share Posted May 21, 2001 Trudy, ZMA Fuel (from Wal-Mart) is: Zinc, Magnesium, Aspartate 1) Vitamin B-6 11.5 mg 2) Magnesium (as Magnesium Aspartate Complex) 450 mg 3) Zinc (as Zinc Methionine Complex and Zinc Aspartate) 30 mg Georgina Re: ZMA > Trudy, > > I bet it is the same thing. ZMA doesn't sound as COOL as ZMA FUEL right? > But if it is Magnesium and ZInc mixed, it is probably the same thing. > > Someone much wiser than me on this list (which narrows it down to...all the > rest of em! LOL) told me to make sure I was taking the ZMA fuel at nite since > that is when it did its repair work on our muscles. It starts about 90 > minutes after we doze off! So take 2 at nite for best results! > > HUGS > in ARk > 3-08 > 322-269 and FINALLY gonna weigh again today..wish me LUCK....and LOSS jhaha > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2001 Report Share Posted May 21, 2001 Wow Georgiana...... thanks so much for all the info!! I thought maybe no body knew about this zma stuff!! LOL Now, I know a whole lots more than I did!! LOL Hugs, Trudy Re: ZMA > Trudy, > You should be taking you ZMA at night. It tends to relax you and perhaps make > you a little tired. > Pat > Nevada > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2001 Report Share Posted May 21, 2001 Oops, I got your name wrong... thanks again Georgina!! Trudy (duh, the old old lady)See I need this stuff for memory~~~ Re: ZMA > Trudy, > > I bet it is the same thing. ZMA doesn't sound as COOL as ZMA FUEL right? > But if it is Magnesium and ZInc mixed, it is probably the same thing. > > Someone much wiser than me on this list (which narrows it down to...all the > rest of em! LOL) told me to make sure I was taking the ZMA fuel at nite since > that is when it did its repair work on our muscles. It starts about 90 > minutes after we doze off! So take 2 at nite for best results! > > HUGS > in ARk > 3-08 > 322-269 and FINALLY gonna weigh again today..wish me LUCK....and LOSS jhaha > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2001 Report Share Posted May 21, 2001 Good luck, and thanks for the info. Your buddy, Trudy Re: ZMA Trudy, I bet it is the same thing. ZMA doesn't sound as COOL as ZMA FUEL right? But if it is Magnesium and ZInc mixed, it is probably the same thing. Someone much wiser than me on this list (which narrows it down to...all the rest of em! LOL) told me to make sure I was taking the ZMA fuel at nite since that is when it did its repair work on our muscles. It starts about 90 minutes after we doze off! So take 2 at nite for best results! HUGS in ARk 3-08 322-269 and FINALLY gonna weigh again today..wish me LUCK....and LOSS jhaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2001 Report Share Posted May 22, 2001 ditto on the info specially the extra restful sleep (light sleeper) di Re: ZMA > > > > Trudy, > > You should be taking you ZMA at night. It tends to relax you and perhaps > make > > you a little tired. > > Pat > > Nevada > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2001 Report Share Posted September 1, 2001 The problem is that most people are deficient in Zinc and Magnesium as these minerals are easily depeleted in the body. Stress decreases your levels, sex decreases your levels, ejaculation decreases your levels, working out, etc etc. They are also most effective when taken on an empty stomach, which is hard to do if you are trying to get them from food. Getting them out of food is difficult in itself. You are correct though in stating that a multivitamin with the correct amounts of Zinc and Magnesium would also be effective. [May we please have some scientific references for all those statements above? Mel Siff] Chance Donohue Dillon MT www.edsgym.com ---------- " Incledon " <hpsinc@m...> wrote: > This post was originally posted on the Weights.net listserve. Mel suggested > that I submit it here as well. > > ------------------- > > From Krieger: > > >In a paper by Lori Brilla of Western Washington University, football > players who consumed ZMA experienced greater gains in strength, as well as > increases in serum T. I talked to Lori at ACSM and she told me how all the > supplement companies have been misuing her study to sell ZMA. These > football players were deficient in their dietary intake of zinc and > magnesium. There's no evidence that ZMA will boost T in someone who is not > deficient in zinc or magnesium. Assuming that you are consuming a > well-balanced diet, along with a multivitamin/mineral, I don't see how ZMA > will help you. > > > > From Tom Incledon > > In addition to echoing ' comments, I would add that the actual paper is at: > > <http://www.css.edu/users/tboone2/asep/Brilla1ColV2.doc> > > The paper indicates that other forms of zinc and magnesium are related to > testosterone and/or IGF-1 levels (see the introduction). While I have found > athletes to be low in zinc and/or magnesium, in most cases we were able to correct this easily > just with making some more appropriate food choices. > > Tom > Incledon, MS, RD, LD/N, NSCA-CPT, CSCS > Human Performance Specialists, Inc. > 619 NW 90th Terrace > Plantation, FL 33324 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 Hello Phil & All, I have a question on taking ZMA. I read that ZMA increases total and free testosterone. But is it in healthy cases or any case like even who is suffering from hypogonadism ? If ZMA helps increase testosterone why would some one need HCG & Depotestosterone etc. Or does ZMA acts like HCG to increase Test production to some extent ? It also says it for " Sports Recovery " . What does this phrase actually mean ? I am trying to see if this helps with my twisted knee during some physical activity. And I heard one doctor saying Magnesium and Zinc are trace elements and we do not need much of them. Only a 10 day course should be good. Is it right ? Please provide some insight if you can. Thanks Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2011 Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 I never heard this ZMA can't make ones Testosteone levels go up much. I would say is one is low on something and they supplement it your going to do better over all. I take ZMA for the Zinc men in the USA eat corn fed meat and don't get much Zinc from all men in the USA are low on Zinc. The guy that is great on this is Hardasnails he helped me with all my supplements. http://hubpages.com/hub/All-About-ZMA Co-Moderator Phil > From: inc_100 <no_reply > > Subject: ZMA > > Date: Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 7:10 PM > Hello Phil & All, > > I have a question on taking ZMA. I read that ZMA increases > total and free testosterone. But is it in healthy cases or > any case like even who is suffering from hypogonadism ? > If ZMA helps increase testosterone why would some one need > HCG & Depotestosterone etc. > > Or does ZMA acts like HCG to increase Test production to > some extent ? > > It also says it for " Sports Recovery " . What does this > phrase actually mean ? I am trying to see if this helps with > my twisted knee during some physical activity. > > And I heard one doctor saying Magnesium and Zinc are trace > elements and we do not need much of them. Only a 10 day > course should be good. Is it right ? > Please provide some insight if you can. > > Thanks > Joe > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2011 Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 I dnt think there is a difference between 300 and 600 for test,. Range. Seriously if you can have erections with other sexual characteristics improved, why take so many additional stuff that may or may not work? What do we expect when trying to raise test.,? A better feeling? To feel like a sports star? Bigger penis? Come on guys. Follow the symptoms but dnt think taking different things for test will solve all your medical problems. ZMA > > Date: Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 7:10 PM > Hello Phil & All, > > I have a question on taking ZMA. I read that ZMA increases > total and free testosterone. But is it in healthy cases or > any case like even who is suffering from hypogonadism ? > If ZMA helps increase testosterone why would some one need > HCG & Depotestosterone etc. > > Or does ZMA acts like HCG to increase Test production to > some extent ? > > It also says it for " Sports Recovery " . What does this > phrase actually mean ? I am trying to see if th [The entire original message is not included] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2011 Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 Low test has medical implications over time, such as burning out your adrenals (test is calming for men), which may cascade downward and eventually burn out all the other hormones. Telling guys to not try to resolve their health issues with anything but TRT is like telling a cancer patient we gave you meds now we don't have to worry about it, go about your day and don't think about it ever again. Its not really good advice. Health is a proactive endeavor, don't be obsessive about it, but you have to put some thought and action into it or you will pass the points where you can solve issues and move straight into just trying to stay alive. BR//Matt On 2/2/2011 9:22 AM, uu1845@... wrote: > > I dnt think there is a difference between 300 and 600 for test,. > Range. Seriously if you can have erections with other sexual > characteristics improved, why take so many additional stuff that may > or may not work? > > What do we expect when trying to raise test.,? A better feeling? To > feel like a sports star? Bigger penis? Come on guys. Follow the > symptoms but dnt think taking different things for test will solve all > your medical problems. > > ZMA > > > <mailto: %40> > > Date: Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 7:10 PM > > Hello Phil & All, > > > > I have a question on taking ZMA. I read that ZMA increases > > total and free testosterone. But is it in healthy cases or > > any case like even who is suffering from hypogonadism ? > > If ZMA helps increase testosterone why would some one need > > HCG & Depotestosterone etc. > > > > Or does ZMA acts like HCG to increase Test production to > > some extent ? > > > > It also says it for " Sports Recovery " . What does this > > phrase actually mean ? I am trying to see if th > > [The entire original message is not included] > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2011 Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 You say there is no difference betweeen 300 and 600 total test? I only tested with 550 pg/ml testosterone and I am only 25. I do have low E2 as well. Took the sensitive test and got 8 pg/ml. Been working on getting my E2 up with DHEA but so far still erection issues. Only thing that helps only SOMETIMES is Cialis. Do think my erection issues have more to do with testosterone or E2 issues? Will my test get higher if I get my E2 up more.  I will be taking another e2 test later this week. > From: inc_100 <no_reply > > Subject: ZMA > > Date: Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 7:10 PM > Hello Phil & All, > > I have a question on taking ZMA. I read that ZMA increases > total and free testosterone. But is it in healthy cases or > any case like even who is suffering from hypogonadism ? > If ZMA helps increase testosterone why would some one need > HCG & Depotestosterone etc. > > Or does ZMA acts like HCG to increase Test production to > some extent ? > > It also says it for " Sports Recovery " . What does this > phrase actually mean ? I am trying to see if th [The entire original message is not included] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2011 Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 OK lets not turn this into more then it is some men do better at higher levels with a lot of supplements I am one of them. But everything I do is with my Dr. One needs good levels of Testosterone to support there body and brain. They need to keep there E2 levels down. And have good cortisol and Thyroid levels bottom line is a good check up. What works for one is the the best respice for the other. Co-Moderator Phil > > > From: inc_100 <no_reply > > > Subject: ZMA > > > > Date: Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 7:10 PM > > Hello Phil & All, > > > > I have a question on taking ZMA. I read that ZMA > increases > > total and free testosterone. But is it in healthy > cases or > > any case like even who is suffering from hypogonadism > ? > > If ZMA helps increase testosterone why would some one > need > > HCG & Depotestosterone etc. > > > > Or does ZMA acts like HCG to increase Test production > to > > some extent ? > > > > It also says it for " Sports Recovery " . What does this > > phrase actually mean ? I am trying to see if th > > [The entire original message is not included] > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2011 Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 When I was in my youth with very low Test and high Estrogen that went unnoticed for decades, I was still able to have an erection however I had no sexual desires. In certain men there is not difference between 300 and 600 Test. If this doesn't apply, great! I sincerely hope you work with your doctors to improve your health and sexual performance. Follow the symptoms and it may be one is not connected with the other. The best of luck ________________________________ From: Green <dustin.green@...> Sent: Wed, February 2, 2011 10:56:06 AM Subject: RE: ZMA You say there is no difference betweeen 300 and 600 total test? I only tested with 550 pg/ml testosterone and I am only 25. I do have low E2 as well. Took the sensitive test and got 8 pg/ml. Been working on getting my E2 up with DHEA but so far still erection issues. Only thing that helps only SOMETIMES is Cialis. Do think my erection issues have more to do with testosterone or E2 issues? Will my test get higher if I get my E2 up more. I will be taking another e2 test later this week. > From: inc_100 <no_reply > > Subject: ZMA > > Date: Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 7:10 PM > Hello Phil & All, > > I have a question on taking ZMA. I read that ZMA increases > total and free testosterone. But is it in healthy cases or > any case like even who is suffering from hypogonadism ? > If ZMA helps increase testosterone why would some one need > HCG & Depotestosterone etc. > > Or does ZMA acts like HCG to increase Test production to > some extent ? > > It also says it for " Sports Recovery " . What does this > phrase actually mean ? I am trying to see if th [The entire original message is not included] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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