Lab tests

[Guest guest]

I received Hunt's labs back for the week and I just have a couple of questions. His polys were high. They were 78 and normal is 40-74. This was in the cbc with defferential/platelet test. What does this mean?

Also this alkaline phosphatase, serum is low. His is 50 and normal is 60-400. This was in the hepatic function panel. What does this mean?

thanks

Rosemary

[Guest guest]

Rosemary C -- how nice to hear from you! I feel I know you from earlier

messages about your son. I hope he's feeling better. I don't remember the

dates on your messages -- how are things going for him?

Harper

[Guest guest]

Rosemary.... I`m not sure it means too much of anything as they don`t

seem to be very far out of range ... my blood indicators jump around

all the time without alarming my doctors... and I`ve had my blood tested

about 3.68 bazillion times in the last 6-7 yrs. I pray that Hunt is

doing well and that you both find Grace...

Jerry

[Guest guest]

Rosemary, Im not sure Im in line, however, mine went back to close to normal also after being quite elevetated for a couple months. If anyone knows, can this be from taking prednison?

Christi

[Guest guest]

Good list. I don't know about the Vespro, but (4) gives you (1) also it

seems. That is called the Comprehensive Detoxification Profile at Great

Smokies Lab. Here is the URL. I think it is under $100.

http://www.gsdl.com/assessments/detox/

These are the things you get from it: (ignore my results... they give you

a number and show it compared to the reference ragne; you also get a

report that explains it. I can send you mine if you want. I emailed it

out previously.)

>Glutathione Conjugation is very low

>Glycine Conjugation is good

>Sulfation is low

>Plasma Cysteine is very high

>Plasma Sulfate is low

>Glucuronidation is low

>Phase 1/Glucoronidation ration is high

>Plasma Cystein/Sulfate ratio is very high

>Urine Lipid Peroxides are high

>Superoxide Dismutase is low

>Reduced Glutathione and Glutathione Peroxidasae are ok

Cindi

Martha Pfeiffer <kmpfeiffer@...>

03/27/01 05:38 AM

Please respond to

cc:

Subject: lab tests

I'm planning to have some lab tests done, it has been

a few years since I have had any - and reading all

this wonderful information on the List,I am ready to

persue some of these issues. I have read and re-read

all my files, etc. and am making a list of the tests

which I want to have done - and am trying to make a

list of the best labs to which I'll recommend that my

CFS doc work with.

I would appreciate any comments or suggestions

regarding these labs: Maybe we can all contribute and

make one list of labs for all the discussed

tests/blood work, etc. Sure would simplify,

particularly when arriving at the doc's office with

all the info:

(1) To measure glutathione: Vespro Test (which ones?)

is this the lipid peroxides and urinary lipid

peroxides?

(2) To test Natural Killer Cell function: Miami lab,

tel:

305-243-6288 (lab Dr. Cheney uses)

(3) HHV6 / Viracor Labs

(4) To measure liver detox: is this the same thing

as the oxidative stress tests and organic acids tests

from VEspro?????? If not, what and where does one get

the liver detox tests?

(5) Coagulation / Hemex Labs

Thanks! Martha

PS: I checked Virtualhometown site but these labs are

not listed on the Cheney protocol/treatment

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

One of our lab affiliates, the clinical chem association, has a web site that

gives the interpretation for various lab tests. It also has info on the new

cholesterol guidelines, etc. check it out at www.labtestonline.org

[Guest guest]

Hi Elaine,

Everytime I try to access this website an advertisement for web services pop

up. Do you have a different web address or am I doing something wrong?

Thx, Mona

Re: lab tests

> One of our lab affiliates, the clinical chem association, has a web site

that

> gives the interpretation for various lab tests. It also has info on the

new

> cholesterol guidelines, etc. check it out at www.labtestonline.org

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

They told us it was up, and I actually got on there a few times, but now it seems they're having problems. I know they were planning to add more tests, but I have a feeling they ran into big trouble. In the meantime, try this site for lab test info. It's pretty good.

http://www.ariess.com/s-crina/tests-bloodindex.htm

[Guest guest]

THANKS..

Re: lab tests

They told us it was up, and I actually got on there a few times, but now it seems they're having problems. I know they were planning to add more tests, but I have a feeling they ran into big trouble. In the meantime, try this site for lab test info. It's pretty good. http://www.ariess.com/s-crina/tests-bloodindex.htm

[Guest guest]

found it...thanks

Re: lab tests

They told us it was up, and I actually got on there a few times, but now it seems they're having problems. I know they were planning to add more tests, but I have a feeling they ran into big trouble. In the meantime, try this site for lab test info. It's pretty good. http://www.ariess.com/s-crina/tests-bloodindex.htm

[Guest guest]

Hi Kate,

RBS could be random blood sugar (non-fasting). Is the reference range around

70-105 or so? Otherwise, I have no idea. Happy Holidays, Elaine

[Guest guest]

Elaine,

That's it - I remember the techs saying they would have to do a randon

non-fasting blood sugar.

Thanks

Kate

daisyelaine@... wrote:

> Hi Kate,

> RBS could be random blood sugar (non-fasting). Is the reference range around

> 70-105 or so? Otherwise, I have no idea. Happy Holidays, Elaine

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, Helen.

The Type B natriuretic peptide is a hormone secreted into the blood

by the heart muscle of the ventricle, in response to the filling

pressure during the diastolic phase of the operation of the heart.

As this filling pressure rises, the level of the peptide in the

blood rises, also. This hormone causes the kidneys to dump more

sodium into the urine (hence, the name. Note that natrium is the

Latin name for sodium and that's why its chemical symbol is Na.)

When more sodium goes out in the urine, more water does, too,

because of osmosis. The result is that the total blood volume is

decreased. This hormone also causes dilatation of veins and

arteries, and the result of all this is a lowering of the blood

pressure.

From the range you gave, it doesn't look like your BNP level was too

high, but I don't know for sure about that.

Many PWCs have somewhat low white cell counts. It can be caused by

viral infections, but I'm not sure if that's the cause in your case.

The low potassium is interesting in connection with the heart.

Yours isn't all that low, but if it goes too low, it causes a delay

in the electrical repolarization of the ventricular heart muscle,

and that gives what's called an elongated Q-T interval in the

electrocardiogram. If it gets somewhat lower, the Q wave can become

smaller on the EKG, and a U wave can appear. It can lead to

premature beats of the ventricle (premature ventricular contractions

or PVCs) which are sometimes called palpitations. If it goes even

lower, it can lead to ventricular tachycardia, or a fast heart rate,

and finally, if it gets really low, it causes ventricular

fibrillation, which can be very bad news if it isn't stopped, using

a defibrillator. So potassium is important for the heart. It also

affects how strongly the heart beats, and thus the cardiac output.

I don't know why your potassium is low. The most common cause is

diarrhea. A diet low in potassium is also a possibility.

Your sodium is a little on the low side, too. Low sodium is

associated with congestive heart failure, among other conditions.

Epithelial cells are the type of cells that line the inside surfaces

of vessels inside the body. In the urinary tract, they could come

from the kidneys or the bladder. Finding a high number of them in

the urine may suggest that epithelial cells in the kidneys are dying

more rapidly than normal for some reason.

I hope this is helpful. Dr. Cheney will no doubt put it all

together.

Rich

> Picked up copies of my bloodwork from the Cheney clinic while I

was

> there.

>

> Fibrinogen 266 (normal range 200-400) I thought this might be high

> but apparently it's not.

>

> BHP Natriuretic Peptide 10.0 (normal range 0.0 -100.) Don't know

the

> significance of this test or result.

>

> WBC 4/1 LOW (normal range 4.8 -10.8) this has gone into the

dumper

> again as it oftentimes is- obviously something is killing my WBC

or

> they are underproducing

>

> Potassium 3.7 LOW (normal range 3.8 -5.3)

> other minerals:

> Sodium 138 (normal range 138-145)

> Chloride 104 (normal range 98-107)

> Calcium 9.1 (normal range 8.5-10.2)

>

> Urine

>

> epithelial cells -rare- this appears to be flagged-don't know what

> that means

>

> My cholesterol is up to 190, used to be 150 when I was a

vegetarian.

> HDL 61, LDL 112

>

> Helen

[Guest guest]

Helen, my blood work has been almost identical to yours (for what

you have shown below) for the past 8-10 years. The only thing that

is out of range is the WBC count, always low. But my doc never

does anything about it and he says not to worry about it because

it is like 3.7 or 4 w/ normal being 4.8-10 or so. I just saw a new

drug advertised for low WBCs for cancer patients. It is injected.

I wonder if it would help??? I also know that not all PWCs have

low WBC count. I'm pretty confused re this.

Mike C

> Picked up copies of my bloodwork from the Cheney clinic while I

was

> there.

>

> Fibrinogen 266 (normal range 200-400) I thought this might be high

> but apparently it's not.

>

> BHP Natriuretic Peptide 10.0 (normal range 0.0 -100.) Don't know

the

> significance of this test or result.

>

> WBC 4/1 LOW (normal range 4.8 -10.8) this has gone into the

dumper

> again as it oftentimes is- obviously something is killing my WBC

or

> they are underproducing

>

> Potassium 3.7 LOW (normal range 3.8 -5.3)

> other minerals:

> Sodium 138 (normal range 138-145)

> Chloride 104 (normal range 98-107)

> Calcium 9.1 (normal range 8.5-10.2)

>

> Urine

>

> epithelial cells -rare- this appears to be flagged-don't know what

> that means

>

> My cholesterol is up to 190, used to be 150 when I was a

vegetarian.

> HDL 61, LDL 112

>

> Helen

[Guest guest]

Hi Helen

If you think you have hypercoagulation, I would not say that these results show

that you don't. When my fibrin (soluble fibrin monomer) is high and my lp(a) is

high my blood is thick, but my fibrinogen is normal. My fibrinogen only gets

high when I am taking heparin which reduces the fibrin. Also the increase in

your cholesterol could be due to an increase in lp(a) which is a type of

cholesterol (seemingly the worst kind). Have you ever had yours checked?

Doris

----- Original Message -----

Fibrinogen 266 (normal range 200-400) I thought this might be high

but apparently it's not.

My cholesterol is up to 190, used to be 150 when I was a vegetarian.

HDL 61, LDL 112

[Guest guest]

I had a low WBC count in the early years of my cfs. Its no longer low now.

Marcia

Re: lab tests

Helen, my blood work has been almost identical to yours (for what

you have shown below) for the past 8-10 years. The only thing that

is out of range is the WBC count, always low. But my doc never

does anything about it and he says not to worry about it because

it is like 3.7 or 4 w/ normal being 4.8-10 or so. I just saw a new

drug advertised for low WBCs for cancer patients. It is injected.

I wonder if it would help??? I also know that not all PWCs have

low WBC count. I'm pretty confused re this.

Mike C

> Picked up copies of my bloodwork from the Cheney clinic while I

was

> there.

>

> Fibrinogen 266 (normal range 200-400) I thought this might be high

> but apparently it's not.

>

> BHP Natriuretic Peptide 10.0 (normal range 0.0 -100.) Don't know

the

> significance of this test or result.

>

> WBC 4/1 LOW (normal range 4.8 -10.8) this has gone into the

dumper

> again as it oftentimes is- obviously something is killing my WBC

or

> they are underproducing

>

> Potassium 3.7 LOW (normal range 3.8 -5.3)

> other minerals:

> Sodium 138 (normal range 138-145)

> Chloride 104 (normal range 98-107)

> Calcium 9.1 (normal range 8.5-10.2)

>

> Urine

>

> epithelial cells -rare- this appears to be flagged-don't know what

> that means

>

> My cholesterol is up to 190, used to be 150 when I was a

vegetarian.

> HDL 61, LDL 112

>

> Helen

This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

[Guest guest]

Hi Doris:

I don't see any lp(a) on these test results so he must not have

tested for it. I would have guessed that I have hypercoagulation but

who knows. They sure were tearing their hair out at the lab here

where I got my blood drawn, so who knows if they sent out for the

right test.

Thanks for telling me about the fibrin. Now I have no idea what is

going on, but when I saw Dr. Cheney in June, prior to these tests

being ordered, he checked bouluke as something I should take, which I

picked up a bottle when I was there. It's lumbrokinase or whatever

that stuff is. Kind of like natto. So I guess I'll just take it but

skip the baby aspirin, which I just don't want to take because I read

it can be hard on eyesight.

Helen

> Hi Helen

> If you think you have hypercoagulation, I would not say that these

results show that you don't. When my fibrin (soluble fibrin monomer)

is high and my lp(a) is high my blood is thick, but my fibrinogen is

normal. My fibrinogen only gets high when I am taking heparin which

reduces the fibrin. Also the increase in your cholesterol could be

due to an increase in lp(a) which is a type of cholesterol (seemingly

the worst kind). Have you ever had yours checked?

> Doris

> ----- Original Message -----

> Fibrinogen 266 (normal range 200-400) I thought this might be

high

> but apparently it's not.

>

> My cholesterol is up to 190, used to be 150 when I was a

vegetarian.

> HDL 61, LDL 112

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Rich:

No doubt this means something to Dr. Cheney but I have no idea what.

With a value of 10 in a range of 0 to 100, it looks like I'm low

normal. But in terms of what is going on, you'd think that number

would be high. This is all very confusing.

I am trying to push more on my Blasi salts and got some Concentrace

to put in other water I drink. Cheney did say something like water

wouldn't be a good thing for me to drink because my body isn't

holding it. I am one who is urinating frequently, not a very

rewarding hobby.

Don't have diarrhea, so I'm going to guess that my electrolytes are

running down just from water passing out of me too readily. My diet

could stand some improvement and I'm wrestling with that right now.

The epithelial cells said rare, so it's not like there were a lot of

them. Don't understand that one. Maybe shouldn't be any, so flagged,

maybe not enough, so flagged.

thanks,

Helen

> > Picked up copies of my bloodwork from the Cheney clinic while I

> was

> > there.

> >

> > Fibrinogen 266 (normal range 200-400) I thought this might be

high

> > but apparently it's not.

> >

> > BHP Natriuretic Peptide 10.0 (normal range 0.0 -100.) Don't know

> the

> > significance of this test or result.

> >

> > WBC 4/1 LOW (normal range 4.8 -10.8) this has gone into the

> dumper

> > again as it oftentimes is- obviously something is killing my WBC

> or

> > they are underproducing

> >

> > Potassium 3.7 LOW (normal range 3.8 -5.3)

> > other minerals:

> > Sodium 138 (normal range 138-145)

> > Chloride 104 (normal range 98-107)

> > Calcium 9.1 (normal range 8.5-10.2)

> >

> > Urine

> >

> > epithelial cells -rare- this appears to be flagged-don't know

what

> > that means

> >

> > My cholesterol is up to 190, used to be 150 when I was a

> vegetarian.

> > HDL 61, LDL 112

> >

> > Helen

[Guest guest]

Mike:

Last April my WBC count was normal so who knows. In the past it has

been oftentimes low. When I went to the Cheney clinic in 97 and saw

the other doctor, he showed me my blood on a TV screen, I forget what

the technique was called, and said that my macrophages were inert and

few in number. That was one of the times my WBC was below normal.

It's never seemed like a good thing, but it's been going on for years

and years and I haven't died yet. Haven't even been sick much since I

quit working. When I did use to get sick frequently while working it

seemed like I got sick in slow motion, like it would take five days

for a cold to hit from the first sore throat. Then it would take a

long time to get over it compared to anyone else at work who also had

a cold.

Due to low WBC I thought my immune system was slow to react and then

went into overdrive and overreacted.

Helen

> > Picked up copies of my bloodwork from the Cheney clinic while I

> was

> > there.

> >

> > Fibrinogen 266 (normal range 200-400) I thought this might be

high

> > but apparently it's not.

> >

> > BHP Natriuretic Peptide 10.0 (normal range 0.0 -100.) Don't know

> the

> > significance of this test or result.

> >

> > WBC 4/1 LOW (normal range 4.8 -10.8) this has gone into the

> dumper

> > again as it oftentimes is- obviously something is killing my WBC

> or

> > they are underproducing

> >

> > Potassium 3.7 LOW (normal range 3.8 -5.3)

> > other minerals:

> > Sodium 138 (normal range 138-145)

> > Chloride 104 (normal range 98-107)

> > Calcium 9.1 (normal range 8.5-10.2)

> >

> > Urine

> >

> > epithelial cells -rare- this appears to be flagged-don't know

what

> > that means

> >

> > My cholesterol is up to 190, used to be 150 when I was a

> vegetarian.

> > HDL 61, LDL 112

> >

> > Helen

[Guest guest]

I remeber reading Klinghardt saying that lumbrokinase was much better than

natto.

Adrienne

Re: lab tests

Hi Doris:

I don't see any lp(a) on these test results so he must not have

tested for it. I would have guessed that I have hypercoagulation but

who knows. They sure were tearing their hair out at the lab here

where I got my blood drawn, so who knows if they sent out for the

right test.

Thanks for telling me about the fibrin. Now I have no idea what is

going on, but when I saw Dr. Cheney in June, prior to these tests

being ordered, he checked bouluke as something I should take, which I

picked up a bottle when I was there. It's lumbrokinase or whatever

that stuff is. Kind of like natto. So I guess I'll just take it but

skip the baby aspirin, which I just don't want to take because I read

it can be hard on eyesight.

Helen

> Hi Helen

> If you think you have hypercoagulation, I would not say that these

results show that you don't. When my fibrin (soluble fibrin monomer)

is high and my lp(a) is high my blood is thick, but my fibrinogen is

normal. My fibrinogen only gets high when I am taking heparin which

reduces the fibrin. Also the increase in your cholesterol could be

due to an increase in lp(a) which is a type of cholesterol (seemingly

the worst kind). Have you ever had yours checked?

> Doris

> ----- Original Message -----

> Fibrinogen 266 (normal range 200-400) I thought this might be

high

> but apparently it's not.

>

> My cholesterol is up to 190, used to be 150 when I was a

vegetarian.

> HDL 61, LDL 112

>

>

[Guest guest]

Helen, to me the question is, should those of us w/ low WBC count

be trying to get it back up? My WBC count was fine before I got

'CFS', so as a simple-minded fellow like I am, it would seem that

if the WBC went back up, that would be a good thing. I guess I am

just tired of having some blood tests that are out of range, but

they aren't far enough out of range that my doc wants to do anything,

although I have lost 35 pounds over the years, have no stamina,

chronic sore throat, etc., etc., etc.

Mike C

> Mike:

>

> Last April my WBC count was normal so who knows. In the past it

has

> been oftentimes low. When I went to the Cheney clinic in 97 and

saw

> the other doctor, he showed me my blood on a TV screen, I forget

what

> the technique was called, and said that my macrophages were inert

and

> few in number. That was one of the times my WBC was below normal.

>

> It's never seemed like a good thing, but it's been going on for

years

> and years and I haven't died yet. Haven't even been sick much

since I

> quit working. When I did use to get sick frequently while working

it

> seemed like I got sick in slow motion, like it would take five

days

> for a cold to hit from the first sore throat. Then it would take a

> long time to get over it compared to anyone else at work who also

had

> a cold.

>

> Due to low WBC I thought my immune system was slow to react and

then

> went into overdrive and overreacted.

>

> Helen

[Guest guest]

Mike:

It occurred to me today that I hadn't been taking my Immutol, which

is a beta glucan immune stimulating product that I've been taking for

over a year. Perhaps that is why my white count dipped this summer.

I'm sure there is a connection between CFIDS and low white counts,

but I don't know what it is. In 95, when Cheney ran an immune panel

on me, my NK and B cells were well below normal, along with my white

count somewhat below normal.

Helen

> > Mike:

> >

> > Last April my WBC count was normal so who knows. In the past it

> has

> > been oftentimes low. When I went to the Cheney clinic in 97 and

> saw

> > the other doctor, he showed me my blood on a TV screen, I forget

> what

> > the technique was called, and said that my macrophages were inert

> and

> > few in number. That was one of the times my WBC was below normal.

> >

> > It's never seemed like a good thing, but it's been going on for

> years

> > and years and I haven't died yet. Haven't even been sick much

> since I

> > quit working. When I did use to get sick frequently while working

> it

> > seemed like I got sick in slow motion, like it would take five

> days

> > for a cold to hit from the first sore throat. Then it would take

a

> > long time to get over it compared to anyone else at work who also

> had

> > a cold.

> >

> > Due to low WBC I thought my immune system was slow to react and

> then

> > went into overdrive and overreacted.

> >

> > Helen

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/27/05 2:59:42 AM, bayabas76@... writes:

Dr. Grim, are these figures the reason for my bp reaching the 240/125

and stabilizing at 180/110 after a sublingual Captopril? There are only

four certified hypertension specialist in my area. I am seeing the one

who is still in active practice. His base specialization, however,  is

nephrology, the last time we talked he was inclined to assess my

kidneys rather than my hypertension. I have LVH which I think is the

result of my hypertension not adressed for so long.

Regards.

the improvement in K is encouraging. Take my article to your Dr and let him read it. Keep us posted on the effects of Sprior. Capto will not work in PA alone.

May your pressure be low!

Clarence E. Grim, BS (Chem/Math), MS (Biochem), MD, FACP, FACC, FAHS

Clinical Professor of Medicine and Epidemiology

Director, Hypertension Diagnosis and Treatment Center

Board Certified in Internal Medicine, Geriatrics and Hypertension

Published over 220 scientific papers, book chapters and 220 abstracts in the area of high blood pressure epidemiology, physiology, endocrinology measurement, treatment and how to detect curable causes.

Listed in Best Doctors in America

Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure and the History and Physiology of High Blood pressure in the African Diaspora

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/27/05 7:50:41 PM, bayabas76@... writes:

  Take my article to your Dr and let him

> read it.   Keep us posted on the effects of Sprior.   Capto will not

work in

> PA alone.

I did give him a copy of your article and asked him to study it in

relation to my case. Sadly, he was hesitant in accepting it and I would

not be surprised if he did not read it at all.

My bp is high and I am sweating as I am writing this. I dont feel well.

Should I just take Spiro on my own? This doc has pulled me off Spiro

three days ago.

Ask why he took you off Spiro

May your pressure be low!

Clarence E. Grim, BS (Chem/Math), MS (Biochem), MD, FACP, FACC, FAHS

Clinical Professor of Medicine and Epidemiology

Director, Hypertension Diagnosis and Treatment Center

Board Certified in Internal Medicine, Geriatrics and Hypertension

Published over 220 scientific papers, book chapters and 220 abstracts in the area of high blood pressure epidemiology, physiology, endocrinology measurement, treatment and how to detect curable causes.

Listed in Best Doctors in America

Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure and the History and Physiology of High Blood pressure in the African Diaspora

[Guest guest]

And tell him you felt better on it---if you did and your BP was better if its was. He may have stopped it to prepare for an adrenal vein test.

I would just suggest that the article is an update on Conn's Syndrome by one who studied with Dr. Conn. It should be of general interest to all who take care of Pts with HTN.

May your pressure be low!

Clarence E. Grim, BS (Chem/Math), MS (Biochem), MD, FACP, FACC, FAHS

Clinical Professor of Medicine and Epidemiology

Director, Hypertension Diagnosis and Treatment Center

Board Certified in Internal Medicine, Geriatrics and Hypertension

Published over 220 scientific papers, book chapters and 220 abstracts in the area of high blood pressure epidemiology, physiology, endocrinology measurement, treatment and how to detect curable causes.

Listed in Best Doctors in America

Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure and the History and Physiology of High Blood pressure in the African Diaspora