E2 symptoms?

[Guest guest]

I don't know if all of that can come from high E2, but I am sure not any expert.

Mine is high, and I am NOT on TRT.

I have fatigue, water retention, and basically a total lack of interest in sex.

I think these are from the high E2 in me anyway.

[Guest guest]

Hi E2 levels gave me BPH, Panic Attacks and the things you are having. What Tom

is feeling I can't say I had this problem.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...>

> Subject: Re: E2 symptoms?

>

> Date: Wednesday, September 29, 2010, 1:21 PM

> I don't know if all of that can come

> from high E2, but I am sure not any expert.

>

> Mine is high, and I am NOT on TRT.

> I have fatigue, water retention, and basically a total lack

> of interest in sex. I think these are from the high E2 in me

> anyway.

>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the feedback Phil!

Once again:

I had amazing sexdrive sine the age of 12. TIL the day I started Testosterone

gel!

How is that possible? Does all the teatosterone turn i to E2, how and why?

I emailed Hertoghe about Arimidex.

Seriously, 6 weeks ago, I quit T-gel after being on it for 4 monts. What

happened? My sexdrive came back in a matter of days!

I am considering loving with low Serum Testosterone, a top range Free

Teatosterone, which I always had anyway, and an amazing sexdrive - Even if I

live shorter. At least I'll die happy with my balls intact!

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Den 29. sep. 2010 kl. 20.33 skrev philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>:

Hi E2 levels gave me BPH, Panic Attacks and the things you are having. What Tom

is feeling I can't say I had this problem.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...>

> Subject: Re: E2 symptoms?

>

> Date: Wednesday, September 29, 2010, 1:21 PM

> I don't know if all of that can come

> from high E2, but I am sure not any expert.

>

> Mine is high, and I am NOT on TRT.

> I have fatigue, water retention, and basically a total lack

> of interest in sex. I think these are from the high E2 in me

> anyway.

>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the feedback Phil!

Once again:

I had amazing sexdrive sine the age of 12. TIL the day I started

Testosterone gel!

How is that possible? Does all the teatosterone turn i to E2, how and

why?

I emailed Hertoghe about Arimidex.

Seriously, 6 weeks ago, I quit T-gel after being on it for 4 monts.

What happened? My sexdrive came back in a matter of days!

I am considering loving with low Serum Testosterone, a top range Free

Teatosterone, which I always had anyway, and an amazing sexdrive -

Even if I live shorter. At least I'll die happy with my balls intact!

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Den 29. sep. 2010 kl. 20.33 skrev philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>:

> Hi E2 levels gave me BPH, Panic Attacks and the things you are

> having. What Tom is feeling I can't say I had this problem.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

>

>

> > From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...>

> > Subject: Re: E2 symptoms?

> >

> > Date: Wednesday, September 29, 2010, 1:21 PM

> > I don't know if all of that can come

> > from high E2, but I am sure not any expert.

> >

> > Mine is high, and I am NOT on TRT.

> > I have fatigue, water retention, and basically a total lack

> > of interest in sex. I think these are from the high E2 in me

> > anyway.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

BPH is high blood pressure?

I have LOWER blood pressure now for some reason.

But ANXIETY is a " new " symptom that really got bad this summer when I got

attacks while driving my car alone. I started shaking, got a FAST pulse (180

easily) and it was just horrible!

Maybe THAT was high E2?

How come I had high E2 back in like 2001 or 2002 when I only took T4 meds?

Hmmmmm. Does that make sense?

I hope Hertoghe can heal me! ;( Miss livin' - Badly.......

T.

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Den 29. sep. 2010 kl. 20.33 skrev philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>:

Hi E2 levels gave me BPH, Panic Attacks and the things you are having. What Tom

is feeling I can't say I had this problem.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...>

> Subject: Re: E2 symptoms?

>

> Date: Wednesday, September 29, 2010, 1:21 PM

> I don't know if all of that can come

> from high E2, but I am sure not any expert.

>

> Mine is high, and I am NOT on TRT.

> I have fatigue, water retention, and basically a total lack

> of interest in sex. I think these are from the high E2 in me

> anyway.

>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Tom,

In men we all have Estradiol and other Estrogen's we need them much the same as

women need them only we don't need a much. In men E's are made from

Testosterone when we add it to the body as in TRT some of it converts into E's

for most men. As we age we can end up with more E's then the wife has.

It get convented from the Aromatase that is in the fat in our body the older we

get the more fat we have and the higher Estraidol can get.

So in younger men the higher your dose of Testosterone is from being TRT the

more it can convert into Estradiol.

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/89/3/1174

But what your feeling I don't think it's a side effect from high levels of

Estradiol I feel it's the DHEA in your Testosterone Gel.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...>

> > Subject: Re: E2 symptoms?

> >

> > Date: Wednesday, September 29, 2010, 1:21 PM

> > I don't know if all of that can come

> > from high E2, but I am sure not any expert.

> >

> > Mine is high, and I am NOT on TRT.

> > I have fatigue, water retention, and basically a total

> lack

> > of interest in sex. I think these are from the high E2

> in me

> > anyway.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Okay, thanks.  Any comments on the second party of my message?

 That 550 is me on 50mg T-Cyp twice a week.  So, you think

> it's too low?  I'm

> afraid to increase the injections (does or frequency) -

> oaky, not really

> " afraid " , but I just don't like the high E stuff especially

> the bloating and

> breathing deal.

>

> When I was first told to inject 50mg twice a week, my

> 24-hour urine showed high

> T and high E (both just over the top of the range).  I

> didn't change the shots

> (same dose, same frequency) and a month or two later I show

> 550 on a blood

> test.  Got me.....

>

>

> BTW - that 550 (along with the E of 20) was 72 hours after

> my last shot.

 

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From: philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>

Sent: Fri, October 1, 2010 9:03:28 AM

Subject: Re: Re: E2 symptoms?

 

When I feel like my levels are going up high even after taking a .25 mgs pill

that morning I will add .25 mgs when I feel like this and in about an hr. I will

feel better. You then would just take your next dose if you go to low it will

come back up very fast. There are just times where you get a spike in your E2

levels can be your food drinking water out of plastic bottles Plastic leaches E2

in to your food and water.

If this keeps up just take .25 mgs every other day if your doing it every 3

days. If you lose your wood not a big deal just stop the arimidex until your

wood comes back that morning go back on it but go back to every 3 days. I find I

have to do this a lot.

It's not bad to go to low unless your to low for a long time.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> > >

> > > > From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...>

> > > > Subject: Re: E2 symptoms?

> > > >

> > > > Date: Wednesday, September 29, 2010, 1:21

> PM

> > > > I don't know if all of that can come

> > > > from high E2, but I am sure not any expert.

> > > >

> > > > Mine is high, and I am NOT on TRT.

> > > > I have fatigue, water retention, and

> basically a

> > total

> > > lack

> > > > of interest in sex. I think these are from

> the

> > high E2

> > > in me

> > > > anyway.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Do you mean about your E of 20 if this is Estradiol E2 this is a good levels

your weak wood is not from E2 with a level this good. But other hormones being

off still can do this.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> > > >

> > > > > From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...>

> > > > > Subject: Re: E2

> symptoms?

> > > > >

> > > > > Date: Wednesday, September 29, 2010,

> 1:21

> > PM

> > > > > I don't know if all of that can come

> > > > > from high E2, but I am sure not any

> expert.

> > > > >

> > > > > Mine is high, and I am NOT on TRT.

> > > > > I have fatigue, water retention, and

> > basically a

> > > total

> > > > lack

> > > > > of interest in sex. I think these are

> from

> > the

> > > high E2

> > > > in me

> > > > > anyway.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Hey Prime - I am in somewhat the same boat. No sex drive. I know that there is a

relationship between the SGBH and how men do on TRT. My SGBH is normally low

like 10-12. Dr. has discussed this before.

 

Currently I am doing 40 mg of T cyp two times a week with 0.5 mg of arimidex 2

to 3 times a week. I have stopped HCG - I like fuller testicles but hate the E2

roller coaster - I never could get it right. I also battle performance anxiety -

too many years of loosing or not getting a woody when I needed it. I too have a

very understanding wife. I recently found out I was anemic so I am on the iron

pill thing - yuck.

 

We have to just keep plodding along till we find the sweet spot - Arkansas

From: Primemuscle <Primemuscle@...>

Subject: Re: E2 symptoms?

Date: Thursday, September 30, 2010, 3:15 PM

 

My sex drive has been in the pits for as long as I can remember. It never

occurred to me that this could be the result of hypogonadism nor did any of my

doctors over the years ever suggest this possibility. When I'd complain about ED

problems, my doctors would treat those symptoms in the traditional ways; this

being everything from telling me the problem is psychological to prescribing

penile injections and later Viagra, Cialis and Levitra. Psyche therapy may have

helped me become more accepting of my condition. The prescriptions sometimes

helped with the erection problems and sometimes not. However, they did nothing

to increase my sex-drive.

When I was fourteen years old, I got the mumps. As a result, one testicle was

affected and died. The doctors said that you only need one testicle and that the

remaining testicle would do the work of two. Apparently, someone forgot to

mention this to my testicle because I suspect it never stepped up to the plate.

When I was sixteen, our family doctor put me on steroids because I was so puny

(skinny) and not very masculine looking or acting.

My wife of almost forty-six years is a saint to have stayed with a man who had

little interest in sexual relations. It is something of a miracle that we had

two children considering the number of occasions we had sexual intercourse.

These days, my wife is ill as a result of type II diabetes and the various

complications which this disease has caused. At least the lack of sex drive is

mutual now.

I have been on TRT for a little over a year now. Originally, I applied Androgel

daily. This continued for several months. I perceived some minor changes, but

nothing dramatic. Eventually, I went to Testosterone Cypionate injections; at

first once every three weeks at the doctor's office and eventually at home once

a week and now every three and a half days. Still improvements in my sex drive

have been minor.

I have yet to convince my doctor to test my estrogen levels. I don't have issues

with gyno fortunately although on Androgel my nipples became somewhat more

sensitive. They have always been somewhat sensitive. I wish my penis would get

as hard as they do.

Last month, I took it upon myself to order Arimidex and HCG from All Day

Chemist. I have been injecting HCG each of the two days prior to the

testosterone Cypionate injections in a fairly high dosage, following the

information for treating hypogonadism on the packaging which suggest 2,000 mg a

week for four months and then lowering the dose. I cut the Arimidex tablets into

quarters and take one quarter tab every other day.

The " nighttime and morning wood " test that Phil recommends has improved.

Erections are still inconsistent but more frequent than not. Because I still

have a lot of performance anxiety regarding getting and maintaining an erection,

waking erections are still lacking most of the time. However, I believe there is

some improvement here as well.

Overall, I feel pretty good. No hot flashes. I am only tired if I have been up

for a long time or had a particularly hard day working at my temporary job. I

think about sex more often. This is fairly ironic considering were my wife and I

are regarding sexual relations. But, it is still good to feel like I am alive

and not just sleepwalking through life.

Don't know what the future holds for my health or sexual vigor, but I am hoping

for the best. Presently, I am too busy with the upcoming election to manage my

usual six-day gym routine. However, right after November 2, I will be back

working out on a regular basis. Thank goodness that in every other respect my

health is excellent for a man my age.

>

> I don't know if all of that can come from high E2, but I am sure not any

expert.

>

> Mine is high, and I am NOT on TRT.

> I have fatigue, water retention, and basically a total lack of interest in

sex. I think these are from the high E2 in me anyway.

>

[Guest guest]

Phil,

I am aware that the recommended dose from both you and All Things Male is 250 mg

each of the two days prior to a weekly injection of Testosterone Cypionate. So

yes, I am injecting 500 mg each of the two days prior to each of my two weekly

injections of test or four times the amount of your and All Things Male

recommended dosage for HCG.

I am carefully monitoring any unwanted symptoms....especially those related to

high estrogen conversion levels, like gyno. So far, so good. The only side

effect I've had is mild heartburn. My one real testicle is almost back to normal

size after only two weeks.

Now this is going to seem weird; but I swear my shoulders are actually getting

wider. I see and feel this in the fit of my shirts more than anything else. Also

there seems to be less fat on my abs although my weight has remained constant at

about 220 lbs. I am fairly muscular because I have worked out with weights my

entire adult life. I would guess my body fat ratio to be somewhere about 12%. I

feel like I am finishing puberty finally. Another weird thing is that my penis

actually seems larger than it was when flacid. This is probably not possible at

my age and therefore just something I'm trying to convince myself of. Still, I

feel really great. My mood is good - no aggressive feelings - just as mellow as

usual.

I am currently heavily involved in political work relating to the upcoming

election which is consuming most of my free time and keeping me from getting to

the gym. However, I did make it to the gym one day last week and had one of the

best workouts I have had in a long time. Another thing, I recovered much faster

than usual - only mild soreness two days after the workout.

Just so you know this dosage is only recommended for four months and then you

cut back. My intention is to follow this course of action unless I start having

some negative side effects.

Prime

> > >

> > > I don't know if all of that can come from high E2, but

> > I am sure not any expert.

> > >

> > > Mine is high, and I am NOT on TRT.

> > > I have fatigue, water retention, and basically a total

> > lack of interest in sex. I think these are from the high E2

> > in me anyway.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

One thing I have going for me is that aside from having hypogonadism is that I

enjoy really excellent health. I would like to believe this is my reward for a

lifetime of healthy eating and a commitment to hitting the gym on a very regular

basis. All things have a cause and effect. I believe for me hypogonadism is the

cause of my becoming a gym rat early on and the effect is that it has paid off

in good health. However, considering my commitment to working out, I should look

like a pro bodybuilder and I don't....I am happy to be healthy though.

Still, I would give my eye teeth to be an oversexed stud. In our culture, so

much about being male is measured by one being sexually potent. In this respect,

I feel like I have been shortchanged.

I'm a nice looking guy. Women and men flirt with me even at my senior age of

sixty-six. Instead of making me feel good this strikes fear in me because I feel

I could never live up to anyone's sexual expectations, not that I would ever

cheat on my wife anyway. However, I would kill to feel sexually

confidant....just once.

> >

> > I don't know if all of that can come from high E2, but I am sure not any

expert.

> >

> > Mine is high, and I am NOT on TRT.

> > I have fatigue, water retention, and basically a total lack of interest in

sex. I think these are from the high E2 in me anyway.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Bill,

It's not ture once you start on Thyroid durgs your on them for life. Good Dr.'s

take people off them all the time to see how they do. Some people on the meds

there Thyroid gets better and starts workin again and when the Dr. takes them

off them they do very good with out the meds.

I have seen this a lot when the forums at STTM web site were up.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Bill Totten <bill_totten@...>

> Subject: Re: Re: E2 symptoms?

>

> Date: Saturday, October 2, 2010, 11:05 PM

> Great info Barb!  Thanks.

>

> Are you aware of any lifestyle chanegs - diet, etc. that

> can get the thyroid

> working instead of taking meds?  I'm not opposed to meds

> per se, I take enough

> of them <sigh>, but as I understand it, once you

> start on thyroid meds you are

> on them for life.  If I can try something before meds, I

> would like to give it a

> shot.

>

> Bill

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Barb <baba@...>

>

> Sent: Sat, October 2, 2010 11:55:26 AM

> Subject: Re: E2 symptoms?

>

>  

> If she wants to do a CYA, she would order everything:

> Totals and Free T4 and T3,

> rT3, along with Vit B12, Vit D, morning cortisol and

> ferritin. With thyroid, you

> are looking to correct a deficiency in three different

> areas.

>

>

> 1) you simply don't make enough raw material to start with.

> Your total T4

> confirms that this is a problem for you.

>

> 2) you can't convert the T4 to T3. Your Free T3, Free T4,

> and rT3 will show if

> this is a problem too

>

> 3) cellular transport - if your bloodwork showed good

> levels but you still had

> lots of hypo symptoms like your low temps, then the problem

> might be low

> cortisol. This may be a problem too, but chances are, just

> raising your levels

> might help.

>

> Based on your T3/T4 levels, you determine whether to start

> a T4 med like

> Synthroid, or if you need something with T3 like Armour or

> to add Cytomel (T3)

> to your dose.

>

>

> Barb

>

>

> > > > > when I was injecting 50mg T-Cyp

> twice/week and Anastrazole (.25) 3x

> > >week.ÃÆ'‚ 

> > >

> > > >I

> > > >

> > > > >felt like crud, but wood was

> fine.ÃÆ'‚  In fact, it

> was

> >really srong,

> >

> > >painful

> > >

> > > >at

> > > >

> > > > >times.

> > > >

> > > > Then this is your body saying that dose is

> too much.

> > > >

> > > > > back off of the

> Adex.ÃÆ'‚  I did

> >andÃÆ'‚ felt a

> >

> >

>

>littleÃÆ'‚ better.ÃÆ'‚Ã\

ƒâ€šÃ‚ 

> To feel

> > >

> > > > > better, she suggested I go to one shot

> a week.ÃÆ'‚  I feel

> >better that

> >

> > >way

> > >

> > > >(the

> > > >

> > > > >following week) except....

> > > > > It's been 6 days since the last shot

> (Sunday shot, it's now Saturday) and

> >

> > >I'm

> > >

> > > >

> > > > >feeling poorly

> again.ÃÆ'‚  My wood is

> fine (very strong),

> >but I keep

> >

> > >getting

> > >

> > > >these

> > > >

> > > > >episodes of nausea, and some

> sweating.ÃÆ'‚  I had

> her pull

> >blood on

> >

> > >Thursday

> > >

> > > >but I

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > don't have the results

> yet.ÃÆ'‚  As well,

> whenever I feel

> >like crud, if

> >

> > >I

> > >

> > > >check

> > > >

> > > > >it, my body temp is

> low.ÃÆ'‚  Right now I

> don't feel well

> >and it's

> >

> > 96.7.

> > > >

> > > > Body temp is mostly thyroid-driven, unless

> you have a fever, of course.

> >With

> >

> >

> > > > that low a temp, I would guess that cortisol

> has been down-regulated too,

> >and

> >

> > >

> > > > that could cause nausea. If adrenaline kicks

> in to compensate, that could

> > >cause

> > >

> > > >

> > > > sweating.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > I'm thinking of doing another 50mg of

> T-CYp, but I am cautious because I

>

> > > >don't

> > > >

> > > > >know if testosetrone is helping or

> hurting my thyroid opr whatever it is

> > > >that's

> > > >

> > > > >keeping my body temp from going up and

> down (yesterday evening it was

> > >

> >98.5).ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Question is, does the testosterone

> affect the

> >thyroid?ÃÆ'‚  If

> so, does

> >

> > >it

> > >

> > > >help or

> > > >

> > > >

> >hurt?ÃÆ'‚  Should I

> take another shot or is the T-Cyp

> >actually hurting

> >

> > >me?

> > > >

> > > > Here's a quote from Dr. no's website

> definitivemind.com

> > > >

> > > > " Adding testosterone can reduce thyroid

> binding globulin, helping increase

>

> > >free

> > >

> > > >

> > > > thyroid hormone. Testosterone can also help

> reduce inflammatory cytokine

> > > > signaling. Reducing insulin resistance also

> helps reduce inflammatory

> > > >signaling.

> > > >

> > > > These and other changes due to additional

> testosterone can help improve

> > >energy.

> > >

> > > >

> > > > However, adding testosterone can also reduce

> thyroid releasing hormone

> >(TRH)

> >

> >

> > > > produced by the testes. This can, in some

> men, reduce thyroid hormone

> > >signaling

> > >

> > > >

> > > > significantly, promoting fatigue. "

> > > >

> > > > So to answer your question, does it help or

> hurt? The answer is yes.

> > > >

> > > > How long the testosterone in you lasts is

> highly dependent on your SHBG

> > >levels,

> > >

> > > >

> > > > which are highly dependent on other

> hormones. Dr. no finds SHBG is too

> >

> > > >low,

> > > >

> > > > not too high, most times. I think your

> thyroid labs might give you some

> > > >answers.

> > > >

> > > > Barb

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

That's encouraging.  I had always heard, in fact I just watched a video from a

doc about hypothyroid that said, that once on the meds, always on the meds.

________________________________

From: philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>

Sent: Sun, October 3, 2010 10:14:34 AM

Subject: Re: Re: E2 symptoms?

 

Bill,

It's not ture once you start on Thyroid durgs your on them for life. Good Dr.'s

take people off them all the time to see how they do. Some people on the meds

there Thyroid gets better and starts workin again and when the Dr. takes them

off them they do very good with out the meds.

I have seen this a lot when the forums at STTM web site were up.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Bill Totten <bill_totten@...>

> Subject: Re: Re: E2 symptoms?

>

> Date: Saturday, October 2, 2010, 11:05 PM

> Great info Barb!  Thanks.

>

> Are you aware of any lifestyle chanegs - diet, etc. that

> can get the thyroid

> working instead of taking meds?  I'm not opposed to meds

> per se, I take enough

> of them <sigh>, but as I understand it, once you

> start on thyroid meds you are

> on them for life.  If I can try something before meds, I

> would like to give it a

> shot.

>

> Bill

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Barb <baba@...>

>

> Sent: Sat, October 2, 2010 11:55:26 AM

> Subject: Re: E2 symptoms?

>

>  

> If she wants to do a CYA, she would order everything:

> Totals and Free T4 and T3,

> rT3, along with Vit B12, Vit D, morning cortisol and

> ferritin. With thyroid, you

> are looking to correct a deficiency in three different

> areas.

>

>

> 1) you simply don't make enough raw material to start with.

> Your total T4

> confirms that this is a problem for you.

>

> 2) you can't convert the T4 to T3. Your Free T3, Free T4,

> and rT3 will show if

> this is a problem too

>

> 3) cellular transport - if your bloodwork showed good

> levels but you still had

> lots of hypo symptoms like your low temps, then the problem

> might be low

> cortisol. This may be a problem too, but chances are, just

> raising your levels

> might help.

>

> Based on your T3/T4 levels, you determine whether to start

> a T4 med like

> Synthroid, or if you need something with T3 like Armour or

> to add Cytomel (T3)

> to your dose.

>

>

> Barb

>

>

> > > > > when I was injecting 50mg T-Cyp

> twice/week and Anastrazole (.25) 3x

> > >week.ÃÆ'‚ 

> > >

> > > >I

> > > >

> > > > >felt like crud, but wood was

> fine.ÃÆ'‚  In fact, it

> was

> >really srong,

> >

> > >painful

> > >

> > > >at

> > > >

> > > > >times.

> > > >

> > > > Then this is your body saying that dose is

> too much.

> > > >

> > > > > back off of the

> Adex.ÃÆ'‚  I did

> >andÃÆ'‚ felt a

> >

> >

>

>littleÃÆ'‚ better.ÃÆ'‚Ã\

ƒâ€šÃ‚ 

> To feel

> > >

> > > > > better, she suggested I go to one shot

> a week.ÃÆ'‚  I feel

> >better that

> >

> > >way

> > >

> > > >(the

> > > >

> > > > >following week) except....

> > > > > It's been 6 days since the last shot

> (Sunday shot, it's now Saturday) and

> >

> > >I'm

> > >

> > > >

> > > > >feeling poorly

> again.ÃÆ'‚  My wood is

> fine (very strong),

> >but I keep

> >

> > >getting

> > >

> > > >these

> > > >

> > > > >episodes of nausea, and some

> sweating.ÃÆ'‚  I had

> her pull

> >blood on

> >

> > >Thursday

> > >

> > > >but I

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > don't have the results

> yet.ÃÆ'‚  As well,

> whenever I feel

> >like crud, if

> >

> > >I

> > >

> > > >check

> > > >

> > > > >it, my body temp is

> low.ÃÆ'‚  Right now I

> don't feel well

> >and it's

> >

> > 96.7.

> > > >

> > > > Body temp is mostly thyroid-driven, unless

> you have a fever, of course.

> >With

> >

> >

> > > > that low a temp, I would guess that cortisol

> has been down-regulated too,

> >and

> >

> > >

> > > > that could cause nausea. If adrenaline kicks

> in to compensate, that could

> > >cause

> > >

> > > >

> > > > sweating.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > I'm thinking of doing another 50mg of

> T-CYp, but I am cautious because I

>

> > > >don't

> > > >

> > > > >know if testosetrone is helping or

> hurting my thyroid opr whatever it is

> > > >that's

> > > >

> > > > >keeping my body temp from going up and

> down (yesterday evening it was

> > >

> >98.5).ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Question is, does the testosterone

> affect the

> >thyroid?ÃÆ'‚  If

> so, does

> >

> > >it

> > >

> > > >help or

> > > >

> > > >

> >hurt?ÃÆ'‚  Should I

> take another shot or is the T-Cyp

> >actually hurting

> >

> > >me?

> > > >

> > > > Here's a quote from Dr. no's website

> definitivemind.com

> > > >

> > > > " Adding testosterone can reduce thyroid

> binding globulin, helping increase

>

> > >free

> > >

> > > >

> > > > thyroid hormone. Testosterone can also help

> reduce inflammatory cytokine

> > > > signaling. Reducing insulin resistance also

> helps reduce inflammatory

> > > >signaling.

> > > >

> > > > These and other changes due to additional

> testosterone can help improve

> > >energy.

> > >

> > > >

> > > > However, adding testosterone can also reduce

> thyroid releasing hormone

> >(TRH)

> >

> >

> > > > produced by the testes. This can, in some

> men, reduce thyroid hormone

> > >signaling

> > >

> > > >

> > > > significantly, promoting fatigue. "

> > > >

> > > > So to answer your question, does it help or

> hurt? The answer is yes.

> > > >

> > > > How long the testosterone in you lasts is

> highly dependent on your SHBG

> > >levels,

> > >

> > > >

> > > > which are highly dependent on other

> hormones. Dr. no finds SHBG is too

> >

> > > >low,

> > > >

> > > > not too high, most times. I think your

> thyroid labs might give you some

> > > >answers.

> > > >

> > > > Barb

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hopefully in time my sex drive and my ability to function sexually will get

better. I just want to feel like a normal guy sexually.

I will never know if my wife's lack of interest in sex at this point in time is

a defense mechanism because I was not interested for so long or because she has

really poor health and this has sapped her sex drive.

> > > >

> > > > I don't know if all of that can come from high

> > E2, but I am sure not any expert.

> > > >

> > > > Mine is high, and I am NOT on TRT.

> > > > I have fatigue, water retention, and basically a

> > total lack of interest in sex. I think these are from the

> > high E2 in me anyway.

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >       

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I appreciate the warning Phil. I will carefully monitor my E2 levels by how I

feel. If I start having hot flashes, uncontrolled emotions or my nipples get

sore, I'll cut back on the HCG immediately. I am taking 1/4 tab of Arimidex

every other day to counter E-2. So far, I still get some " wood " most nights and

mornings especially if I do some self stimulation.

Once I finish this loading phase, I will cut the HCG down to 500 mg a week which

should enough to keep my test levels up to par, I hope.

Prime

> > > > >

> > > > > I don't know if all of that can come from

> > high E2, but

> > > > I am sure not any expert.

> > > > >

> > > > > Mine is high, and I am NOT on TRT.

> > > > > I have fatigue, water retention, and

> > basically a total

> > > > lack of interest in sex. I think these are from

> > the high E2

> > > > in me anyway.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

I looked for the links that talked about this and yes for most Dr.'s they feel

this way. But many times people need to come off the meds I did not a problem.

I just felt like I did before going on it.

If you were not real bad off before going on the meds you can stop them the

worse thing to happen is you go back to how you felt before going on them.

Yet there are people that stopped and found they did not need the meds anymore.

It's not like going on TRT where your brain gets shut down from sending the LH

and FSH messages to your testis. With Thyroid you cut back on your meds or stop

them your TSH will jump back in and ask your Thyroid for more hormone. So if it

can make it again you will feel good and not need meds.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > From: Bill Totten <bill_totten@...>

> > Subject: Re: Re: E2 symptoms?

> >

> > Date: Saturday, October 2, 2010, 11:05 PM

> > Great info Barb!  Thanks.

> >

> > Are you aware of any lifestyle chanegs - diet, etc.

> that

> > can get the thyroid

> > working instead of taking meds?  I'm not opposed to

> meds

> > per se, I take enough

> > of them <sigh>, but as I understand it, once

> you

> > start on thyroid meds you are

> > on them for life.  If I can try something before

> meds, I

> > would like to give it a

> > shot.

> >

> > Bill

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: Barb <baba@...>

> >

> > Sent: Sat, October 2, 2010 11:55:26 AM

> > Subject: Re: E2 symptoms?

> >

> >  

> > If she wants to do a CYA, she would order everything:

> > Totals and Free T4 and T3,

> > rT3, along with Vit B12, Vit D, morning cortisol and

> > ferritin. With thyroid, you

> > are looking to correct a deficiency in three

> different

> > areas.

> >

> >

> > 1) you simply don't make enough raw material to start

> with.

> > Your total T4

> > confirms that this is a problem for you.

> >

> > 2) you can't convert the T4 to T3. Your Free T3, Free

> T4,

> > and rT3 will show if

> > this is a problem too

> >

> > 3) cellular transport - if your bloodwork showed good

> > levels but you still had

> > lots of hypo symptoms like your low temps, then the

> problem

> > might be low

> > cortisol. This may be a problem too, but chances are,

> just

> > raising your levels

> > might help.

> >

> > Based on your T3/T4 levels, you determine whether to

> start

> > a T4 med like

> > Synthroid, or if you need something with T3 like

> Armour or

> > to add Cytomel (T3)

> > to your dose.

> >

> >

> > Barb

> >

> >

> > > > > > when I was injecting 50mg T-Cyp

> > twice/week and Anastrazole (.25) 3x

> > >

> >week.ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > >

> > > > >I

> > > > >

> > > > > >felt like crud, but wood was

> > fine.ÃÆ'‚  In

> fact, it

> > was

> > >really srong,

> > >

> > > >painful

> > > >

> > > > >at

> > > > >

> > > > > >times.

> > > > >

> > > > > Then this is your body saying that dose

> is

> > too much.

> > > > >

> > > > > > back off of the

> > Adex.ÃÆ'‚  I did

>

> > >andÃÆ'‚ felt

> a

> > >

> > >

> >

>

>littleÃÆ'‚ better.ÃÆ'‚Ã\

ƒâ€šÃ‚ 

> > To feel

> > > >

> > > > > > better, she suggested I go to one

> shot

> > a week.ÃÆ'‚  I

> feel

> > >better that

> > >

> > > >way

> > > >

> > > > >(the

> > > > >

> > > > > >following week) except....

> > > > > > It's been 6 days since the last

> shot

> > (Sunday shot, it's now Saturday) and

> > >

> > > >I'm

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >feeling poorly

> > again.ÃÆ'‚  My

> wood is

> > fine (very strong),

> > >but I keep

> > >

> > > >getting

> > > >

> > > > >these

> > > > >

> > > > > >episodes of nausea, and some

> > sweating.ÃÆ'‚  I

> had

> > her pull

> > >blood on

> > >

> > > >Thursday

> > > >

> > > > >but I

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > don't have the results

> > yet.ÃÆ'‚  As

> well,

> > whenever I feel

> > >like crud, if

> > >

> > > >I

> > > >

> > > > >check

> > > > >

> > > > > >it, my body temp is

> > low.ÃÆ'‚  Right

> now I

> > don't feel well

> > >and it's

> > >

> > > 96.7.

> > > > >

> > > > > Body temp is mostly thyroid-driven,

> unless

> > you have a fever, of course.

> > >With

> > >

> > >

> > > > > that low a temp, I would guess that

> cortisol

> > has been down-regulated too,

> > >and

> > >

> > > >

> > > > > that could cause nausea. If adrenaline

> kicks

> > in to compensate, that could

> > > >cause

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > sweating.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > I'm thinking of doing another 50mg

> of

> > T-CYp, but I am cautious because I

> >

> > > > >don't

> > > > >

> > > > > >know if testosetrone is helping or

> > hurting my thyroid opr whatever it is

> > > > >that's

> > > > >

> > > > > >keeping my body temp from going up

> and

> > down (yesterday evening it was

> > > >

> > >98.5).ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Question is, does the

> testosterone

> > affect the

> > >thyroid?ÃÆ'‚ 

> If

> > so, does

> > >

> > > >it

> > > >

> > > > >help or

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > >hurt?ÃÆ'‚ 

> Should I

> > take another shot or is the T-Cyp

> > >actually hurting

> > >

> > > >me?

> > > > >

> > > > > Here's a quote from Dr. no's

> website

> > definitivemind.com

> > > > >

> > > > > " Adding testosterone can reduce

> thyroid

> > binding globulin, helping increase

> >

> > > >free

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > thyroid hormone. Testosterone can also

> help

> > reduce inflammatory cytokine

> > > > > signaling. Reducing insulin resistance

> also

> > helps reduce inflammatory

> > > > >signaling.

> > > > >

> > > > > These and other changes due to

> additional

> > testosterone can help improve

> > > >energy.

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > However, adding testosterone can also

> reduce

> > thyroid releasing hormone

> > >(TRH)

> > >

> > >

> > > > > produced by the testes. This can, in

> some

> > men, reduce thyroid hormone

> > > >signaling

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > significantly, promoting fatigue. "

> > > > >

> > > > > So to answer your question, does it

> help or

> > hurt? The answer is yes.

> > > > >

> > > > > How long the testosterone in you lasts

> is

> > highly dependent on your SHBG

> > > >levels,

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > which are highly dependent on other

> > hormones. Dr. no finds SHBG is too

> > >

> > > > >low,

> > > > >

> > > > > not too high, most times. I think your

> > thyroid labs might give you some

> > > > >answers.

> > > > >

> > > > > Barb

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have

> been

> > removed]

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have

> been

> > removed]

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >      

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I will be honest with you in my late 50's I never thought I would be in joying

sex again I felt I was all washed up. Never give up keep at it.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Primemuscle <Primemuscle@...>

> Subject: Re: E2 symptoms?

>

> Date: Monday, October 4, 2010, 3:03 AM

> Hopefully in time my sex drive and my

> ability to function sexually will get better. I just want to

> feel like a normal guy sexually.

>

> I will never know if my wife's lack of interest in sex at

> this point in time is a defense mechanism because I was not

> interested for so long or because she has really poor health

> and this has sapped her sex drive.

>

>

> > > > >

> > > > > I don't know if all of that can come

> from high

> > > E2, but I am sure not any expert.

> > > > >

> > > > > Mine is high, and I am NOT on TRT.

> > > > > I have fatigue, water retention, and

> basically a

> > > total lack of interest in sex. I think these are

> from the

> > > high E2 in me anyway.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >       

> > > >

> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

It's OK to cut back as long as your not cutting your levels down on labs. As I

lowered my dose of HCG my labs never went down. But when I do labs I do like

Dr. does I don't do HCG at least 4 days before my labs. And I do my labs

before my T shot.

I have a lot of people tell me at Dr. 's forum that they cut back on there T

dose and it fixed there E2 problems. So I told my Dr. I wanted to try this he

did not want to try it but I pushed him to try this.

I do shots every 3 days to we lowered my dose .1mls it took some time about 3

months but my levels feel from the upper 800's down to the lower 500's and I

felt like crap. So now we went back up .1 mls my levels did not come up much so

he had me go up .1 ml. more now I am doing more then I did before I lowered.

That is the last time I will listen to there crap everyday I go there and see

the same guys posting what they are still trying to get leveled. They go up on

the T there E2 goes up so they change something. I feel having a higher E2 and

taking a little more Arimidex to keep it in check is a small price to pay to

feel better.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Primemuscle <Primemuscle@...>

> Subject: Re: E2 symptoms?

>

> Date: Monday, October 4, 2010, 3:16 AM

>

> I appreciate the warning Phil. I will carefully monitor my

> E2 levels by how I feel. If I start having hot flashes,

> uncontrolled emotions or my nipples get sore, I'll cut back

> on the HCG immediately. I am taking 1/4 tab of Arimidex

> every other day to counter E-2. So far, I still get some

> " wood " most nights and mornings especially if I do some self

> stimulation.

>

> Once I finish this loading phase, I will cut the HCG down

> to 500 mg a week which should enough to keep my test levels

> up to par, I hope.

>

> Prime

>

>

>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I don't know if all of that can

> come from

> > > high E2, but

> > > > > I am sure not any expert.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mine is high, and I am NOT on

> TRT.

> > > > > > I have fatigue, water retention,

> and

> > > basically a total

> > > > > lack of interest in sex. I think these

> are from

> > > the high E2

> > > > > in me anyway.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

So Phil,

Do you feel 4 days is plenty long enough to stop HCG so that labs are not

influenced by it. I have some lab work coming up in a couple of weeks and I dont

want the HCG to influence the numbers.

>

> It's OK to cut back as long as your not cutting your levels down on labs. As

I lowered my dose of HCG my labs never went down. But when I do labs I do like

Dr. does I don't do HCG at least 4 days before my labs. And I do my labs

before my T shot.

>

> I have a lot of people tell me at Dr. 's forum that they cut back on there

T dose and it fixed there E2 problems. So I told my Dr. I wanted to try this he

did not want to try it but I pushed him to try this.

>

> I do shots every 3 days to we lowered my dose .1mls it took some time about 3

months but my levels feel from the upper 800's down to the lower 500's and I

felt like crap. So now we went back up .1 mls my levels did not come up much so

he had me go up .1 ml. more now I am doing more then I did before I lowered.

>

> That is the last time I will listen to there crap everyday I go there and see

the same guys posting what they are still trying to get leveled. They go up on

the T there E2 goes up so they change something. I feel having a higher E2 and

taking a little more Arimidex to keep it in check is a small price to pay to

feel better.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

[Guest guest]

It is all about how you take it if your on gels doing HCG every 3 days stop it 4

days before your labs. If your doing shots once a week and doing HCG the 2 days

each before your T shot stop the HCG the 2 days before your next shot do your

labs the morning of your next T shot but before them.

If your on HCG everyday do your labs the morning of your next HCG shot but

before it.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: master_trancer <master_trancer@...>

> Subject: Re: E2 symptoms?

>

> Date: Monday, October 4, 2010, 12:34 PM

> So Phil,

>

> Do you feel 4 days is plenty long enough to stop HCG so

> that labs are not influenced by it. I have some lab work

> coming up in a couple of weeks and I dont want the HCG to

> influence the numbers.

>

>

>

>

> >

> > It's OK to cut back as long as your not cutting your

> levels down on labs.  As I lowered my dose of HCG my

> labs never went down.  But when I do labs I do like Dr.

> does I don't do HCG at least 4 days before my

> labs.  And I do my labs before my T shot.

> >

> > I have a lot of people tell me at Dr. 's forum

> that they cut back on there T dose and it fixed there E2

> problems.  So I told my Dr. I wanted to try this he did

> not want to try it but I pushed him to try this.

> >

> > I do shots every 3 days to we lowered my dose .1mls it

> took some time about 3 months but my levels feel from the

> upper 800's down to the lower 500's and I felt like

> crap.  So now we went back up .1 mls my levels did not

> come up much so he had me go up .1 ml. more now I am doing

> more then I did before I lowered.

> >

> > That is the last time I will listen to there crap

> everyday I go there and see the same guys posting what they

> are still trying to get leveled.  They go up on the T

> there E2 goes up so they change something.  I feel

> having a higher E2 and taking a little more Arimidex to keep

> it in check is a small price to pay to feel better.

> > Co-Moderator

> > Phil

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

What are the high E2 symptoms in men? Let's say my E2 is 69 pg/mL which it was

in a test I did in December... How would I feel like?

Right now I feel: Immense head pressure, pain in my head, like my brain is

infected, heavy eyelids, nausea...

Guess I'm more Hypothyroid now than before because hnigh E2 is blocking

Testo/Thyroid from entering the cells? Could it be deadly to walk around for a

few months with super high E2 like I have now?

SHOULD I JUST TAKE ARIMIDEX WITHOUT ASKING MY DOCTOR? (HERTOGHE)

I feel so bad! :-(

[Guest guest]

BTW I found this online now:

How to reduce E2 naturally?

" Lower estrogen levels: Limit dairy products

Cow's milk is

another source of exogenous estrogens. Ganmaa, a physician and scientist

at the Harvard School of Public Health states that dairy milk accounts

for up to eighty percent of the estrogens consumed. This may stem from

the fact that cows are milked frequently during pregnancy when estrogen

levels are their highest. These estrogens end up in the milk supply and

can promote growth of fibroid tumors of the uterus and stimulate breast

tissue, potentially increasing the risk of certain types of both benign

and malignant breast disease. One solution? Substitute a non-dairy milk

such as almond or rice milk. "

Whoa... And I am eating a lot of cheese.. Some yoghurt.. Guess I am stopping

with that NOW!!!!!!!!!!!

>

> >

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> > What are the high E2 symptoms in men? Let's say my E2 is 69 pg/mL which

> it

> > was in a test I did in December... How would I feel like?

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> > Right now I feel: Immense head pressure, pain in my head, like my brain

> is

> > infected, heavy eyelids, nausea...

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> > Guess I'm more Hypothyroid now than before because hnigh E2 is blocking

> > Testo/Thyroid from entering the cells? Could it be deadly to walk around

> for

> > a few months with super high E2 like I have now?

> >

> > SHOULD I JUST TAKE ARIMIDEX WITHOUT ASKING MY DOCTOR? (HERTOGHE)

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> > I feel so bad! :-(

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[Guest guest]

Ive also got thyroid issues so it is hard to diferentiate what is causing

what. Having sides to arimidex is rare, so dont worry about tkaing it. I

took a very low dose but I hyper respond to everything.

Zinc can lower E2.

On Feb 4, 2011 3:19 PM, " Gibcast " <gibcast@...> wrote:

OK I HAVE ALL THOSE SYMPTOMS NOW... :-( Guess it's high E2 then! Any advice

on how to get it down fast using what I have in my kitchen? Like a spice or

whatever? My E2 was 69 pg/mL in December. The range is <30 pg/mL for men.

It's way too high. Is yours that high? But when I measured it again it was

lower.

Maybe you took too much Arimidex? Now I worry about taking Arimidex too!

CRAP!

Please read this: This is a copy of my email sent to Dr. Hertoghe today:

(Maybe you guys could comment?)

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Dear Dr. Hertoghe,

I need to know I need to take Arimidex based on all my different E2-results

from the past 2 months:

(Samples drawn at 11 am, fasting, with T-gel applied 1-2 evenings before

draw as per your request!)

Lab 1 Norway:18 Nov 2010 - Estradiol: 0.11 nmol/L (<0.18 nmol/L) N?

RP-L. Brussels: 15 Jan 2010 -

Estradiol: 69 pg/mL (<30 pg/mL) H!

RP-L. Brussels: 18 Jan 2011 - Control E2 (old serum) 40 pg/mL (<30 pg/mL) H!

Lab 1 Norway: 10 Jan 2011 - Estradiol: 0.08 pmol/L (<0.18 pmol/L) N?

Lab 2 Norway: 26 Jan 2011 - Estradiol: 0.15 nmol/L (0.06 - 0.14 nmol/L) H!

It's difficult for me to decide myself as I am not a hormone

specialist.

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> > What are the high E2 symptoms in men? Let's say my E2 is 69 pg/mL which

> it...

[Guest guest]

I take 30 mg zinc CItrate daily. My serum Zinc is in the top range. My RBC Zinc

is also near top range. Should I take more Zinc then? Zinc also lowers cortisol

so that's also an issue - I worry to take more Zinc but maybe I need more Zinc

to lower E2?

I quit Diary NOW. It only gives higher E2.

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> > What are the high E2 symptoms in men? Let's say my E2 is 69 pg/mL which

> it...

[Guest guest]

Here's what I feel when my estradiol goes too high:

I become more moody, grumpy, I'm not nice to people, want to kill people and

I can become rageful, NASTY and if I know how to push your buttons and annoy

you, I will! A basket case. Self esteem drops and I can get stressed out and

depressed more easily, PMT/PMS.

Fatigue, which is probably a lot due to high estradiol increasing RT3

Brain fog

Itchy eyes and skin if it gets really bad; feel inflamed all over.

My voice keeps getting phlegm that I have to repeatedly clear out. Even

after clearing it I may be unable to speak up loud enough for people to hear

me clearly. Voice seems to go raspy too. I also noticed that I can't ever

hit the correct note if I'm singing something when estradiol is too high.

I never cry watching even sad films, so that one never applied to me. Never

been too sure if I retain more water or not as Arimidex initially puffs me

up too.

Dairy doesn't seem to exert an estrogenic effect on me, by the way.

If you're worried about going too low on Arimidex you could always try less

per dose... I take .125 mg each dose as I don't like the effects when

Arimidex peaks in me as it has some side effects.

-Nigel

On 4 February 2011 16:00, Gibcast <gibcast@...> wrote:

>

>

> What are the high E2 symptoms in men? Let's say my E2 is 69 pg/mL which it

> was in a test I did in December... How would I feel like?

>

> Right now I feel: Immense head pressure, pain in my head, like my brain is

> infected, heavy eyelids, nausea...

>

> Guess I'm more Hypothyroid now than before because hnigh E2 is blocking

> Testo/Thyroid from entering the cells? Could it be deadly to walk around for

> a few months with super high E2 like I have now?

>

> SHOULD I JUST TAKE ARIMIDEX WITHOUT ASKING MY DOCTOR? (HERTOGHE)

>

> I feel so bad! :-(

>