Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Hi and Welcome, Your just need a better Dr. that is all there is to it. Your levels are in the normal rage but for a man 85 to 100 yrs old. How fast Dr.'s for get there math from school the labs sample blood from men of every age and most of them are all ready sick with low T. Anyone knows from school that the bell curve that from the standard deviation on this bell curve your in the 99% of the lowest men in this sample for this range. http://www.intelligencetest.com/stan-deviation.htm So you in the normal range but for a man 100 yrs old. One thing you need to do is find out why your low first going on TRT is for life and if you don't know why going on TRT you will have a hard time finding out why. Most men that find out why if they can fix the problem there T levels will come back up and they don't need TRT. One thing comes to mind here low T did not give me ED I was 120 and in my 40's still having sex 2 x's per week. If your Estradiol levels are high this can lower your T levels. In men the brain can't tell the diff. between Estradiol and Testosterone because Estradiol is made from Testosterone so if your Estradiol levels are high your brain thinks this is T and slows down sending the LH and FSH message to your testis and you need up on the lower side. High levels of Estradiol in men will kill your sex life and libido and gave you ED. Getting this down can bring your T levels back up some 200 to 300 points. Read this study. http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/89/3/1174 http://www.medibolics.com/ArimidexBoostsTestosterone.htm http://www.smart-drugs.com/ias-estrogen.htm In this link you will find things that lower a mans T levels. http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=450553 As follows. ================================ As you will see on the following site, as many as 50% of all men may have low levers of testosterone. According to the Great Smokies Diagnostic Lab, these are the causes of hypogonadism: chronic/systemic illness surgery chemotherapy infections premature aging testicular trauma stress Kleinfelter's syndrome autoimmune damage tobacco and alcohol sleep apnea excessive heat obesity hypercortisolism medications hyperthyroidism malnutrition ?Subtle clinical signs of hypogonadism may include slight gynecomastia and soft small testes. However, researchers have noted that " the findings of physical examination in men with adult-onset hypogonadism are often normal.? Secondary hypogonadism can develop as a result of hypothalamic or pituitary disease, obesity, hypothyroidism or other causes. Some conditions, such as hypercortisolemia, AIDS and severe systemic illnesses, can trigger hypogonadism through a combination of both primary and secondary mechanisms.? --------------------------------------------------------- Here are some more links about low T so your up on this and if you see a new Dr. you will know what your taking about. http://www.griffinmedical.com/male_hormone_modulation_therapy.html In this link the Dr. feels anyone under 450 needs to be on TRT when all testing is done. http://www.thehiddendisease.com/ We have a Database Section that has a list of Dr. men here see go there and see if you can find one. Co-Moderator Phil > From: seandhiggins03 <no_reply > > Subject: How low is too low? > > Date: Thursday, February 25, 2010, 4:36 PM > Hi, > > I just got my results for my T levels which were reported > as 374. The nurse indicated that this was > " normal " . When I asked her if this was " normal " for a > 40 yo non diabetic, non obese male suffering from ED and low > libido,she said she would ask the doctor. Well she > called back and said he indicated that it was still in the > normal range. I just can not shake the feeling that > this is not the case. Can anyone provide me with some > insight on this. Thanks in advance. > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 In the files section there is a file called Testosterone in men by age. This has the statistical values. For a healthy man of 40 your Total T should be 597 average with a standard deviation of 198. This means that if you want to be in the 95th percent your Total T should be 936. You can not go strictly by a number. If you are having symptoms - then you need more T.  Arkansas From: seandhiggins03 <no_reply > Subject: How low is too low? Date: Thursday, February 25, 2010, 3:36 PM  Hi, I just got my results for my T levels which were reported as 374. The nurse indicated that this was " normal " . When I asked her if this was " normal " for a 40 yo non diabetic, non obese male suffering from ED and low libido,she said she would ask the doctor. Well she called back and said he indicated that it was still in the normal range. I just can not shake the feeling that this is not the case. Can anyone provide me with some insight on this. Thanks in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Technically, she is correct. It is in the normal range. The range is big 250 to 1100. You are at the low end of that range. However, the more important fact is that for a 40 yo the average level is 600 - 650. So, yes you are in the normal range, but you are well below average. From what I've read here and elsewhere, you may have a difficult time finding a doctor to treat you since you are in a normal range. I had a doctor that was happy when I hit 290. The current one will be happy when it hits 450. I'm 44 so it should be 600 - 650. Both of these doctors are endos, which many say are not good at treating low testosterone. Also, from what I've read, DOs can be more receptive to treatment than MDs. My insurance changed at the beginning of the year. I made sure to pick a DO as my primary care doctor. I haven't seen him yet, but I'm hopeful he will be more receptive to treatment ideas and suggestions and not just looking to get me in the " normal " range. You could have high Estradiol. Phil posts all the time about using a supplement called DIM to bring Estradiol down to a good range. You could also use HCG to increase your testosterone. Look for posts here about both of those things. Most doctors don't test for Estradiol. I got mine to do it, but I could tell he thought it was a waste. I don't have the results yet. Another thing to consider is the time of day you had the test done. It should have been done in the morning. Also, testosterone does vary day to day. You may want to have another test to really see if it's low. My first test was very low, 90. The endo gave me Androgel after some more lab work and an MRI to check for a pituitary tumor. I wish I'd researched it more before using it. Over a year later, I've managed to get to a whopping 290. I know I have a long way to go, but thanks to the folks here, I think I'm on the right track. _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of seandhiggins03 Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 2:36 PM Subject: How low is too low? Hi, I just got my results for my T levels which were reported as 374. The nurse indicated that this was " normal " . When I asked her if this was " normal " for a 40 yo non diabetic, non obese male suffering from ED and low libido,she said she would ask the doctor. Well she called back and said he indicated that it was still in the normal range. I just can not shake the feeling that this is not the case. Can anyone provide me with some insight on this. Thanks in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2010 Report Share Posted February 26, 2010 Oustanding Post! to the group, especially for those who are in the early stages of treatment  Thx From: seandhiggins03 <no_reply@group s.com> Subject: How low is too low? Date: Thursday, February 25, 2010, 3:36 PM  Hi, I just got my results for my T levels which were reported as 374. The nurse indicated that this was " normal " . When I asked her if this was " normal " for a 40 yo non diabetic, non obese male suffering from ED and low libido,she said she would ask the doctor. Well she called back and said he indicated that it was still in the normal range. I just can not shake the feeling that this is not the case. Can anyone provide me with some insight on this. Thanks in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2010 Report Share Posted February 26, 2010 Every one optimal T levels are the levels just enough to relieve symptoms. When men are on TRT this testosterone is not recongized by the body as its own and may require more then what a normal person would put out. One needs to look at other factors when T and E2 are in check while symptoms are still present such as adrenals and thyroid imbalances, lifestyle, nutritents, as well as daily stresses, sleep patterns > > > From: seandhiggins03 <no_reply > > Subject: How low is too low? > > Date: Thursday, February 25, 2010, 3:36 PM > > > Â > > > > Hi, > > I just got my results for my T levels which were reported as 374. The nurse indicated that this was " normal " . When I asked her if this was " normal " for a 40 yo non diabetic, non obese male suffering from ED and low libido,she said she would ask the doctor. Well she called back and said he indicated that it was still in the normal range. I just can not shake the feeling that this is not the case. Can anyone provide me with some insight on this. Thanks in advance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2010 Report Share Posted February 26, 2010 The first thing i would ask is why this is happening and look at other variables such as adrenal, thyroid, e2, lifestyle,s improper sleep patterns,hidden infections or inflammation, gut issues, or what happened around 3-6 months you started to experience symptoms. I just have a different approach then every one else as I look for the root cause as well as loook at symptoms. > > > From: seandhiggins03 <no_reply > > > Subject: How low is too low? > > > > Date: Thursday, February 25, 2010, 4:36 PM > > Hi, > > > > I just got my results for my T levels which were reported > > as 374. The nurse indicated that this was > > " normal " . When I asked her if this was " normal " for a > > 40 yo non diabetic, non obese male suffering from ED and low > > libido,she said she would ask the doctor. Well she > > called back and said he indicated that it was still in the > > normal range. I just can not shake the feeling that > > this is not the case. Can anyone provide me with some > > insight on this. Thanks in advance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2010 Report Share Posted February 26, 2010 What normal for one is not form for some one else and this is the general rule of a good HRT dr must follow to get proper treatment for their patients. HRT one may get it right with in first 6 weeks or it may take 6 months. It really depends on case scenerio and just what other factors need to be calculated in. > > Technically, she is correct. It is in the normal range. The range is big > 250 to 1100. You are at the low end of that range. However, the more > important fact is that for a 40 yo the average level is 600 - 650. So, yes > you are in the normal range, but you are well below average. > > > > From what I've read here and elsewhere, you may have a difficult time > finding a doctor to treat you since you are in a normal range. I had a > doctor that was happy when I hit 290. The current one will be happy when it > hits 450. I'm 44 so it should be 600 - 650. Both of these doctors are > endos, which many say are not good at treating low testosterone. Also, from > what I've read, DOs can be more receptive to treatment than MDs. My > insurance changed at the beginning of the year. I made sure to pick a DO as > my primary care doctor. I haven't seen him yet, but I'm hopeful he will be > more receptive to treatment ideas and suggestions and not just looking to > get me in the " normal " range. > > > > You could have high Estradiol. Phil posts all the time about using a > supplement called DIM to bring Estradiol down to a good range. You could > also use HCG to increase your testosterone. Look for posts here about both > of those things. Most doctors don't test for Estradiol. I got mine to do > it, but I could tell he thought it was a waste. I don't have the results > yet. > > > > Another thing to consider is the time of day you had the test done. It > should have been done in the morning. Also, testosterone does vary day to > day. You may want to have another test to really see if it's low. My first > test was very low, 90. The endo gave me Androgel after some more lab work > and an MRI to check for a pituitary tumor. I wish I'd researched it more > before using it. Over a year later, I've managed to get to a whopping 290. > I know I have a long way to go, but thanks to the folks here, I think I'm on > the right track. > > > > > > _____ > > From: [mailto: ] > On Behalf Of seandhiggins03 > Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 2:36 PM > > Subject: How low is too low? > > > > > > Hi, > > I just got my results for my T levels which were reported as 374. The nurse > indicated that this was " normal " . When I asked her if this was " normal " for > a 40 yo non diabetic, non obese male suffering from ED and low libido,she > said she would ask the doctor. Well she called back and said he indicated > that it was still in the normal range. I just can not shake the feeling that > this is not the case. Can anyone provide me with some insight on this. > Thanks in advance. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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