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Sorry I'm not very up on these things! What does my friend need to

ask her GP about reference ranges?

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> We need the reference ranges Calista - can't do a thiong without

them.

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> luv - Sheila

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> A friend of mine has recently had her thyroxine reduced by her

GP. Her

> levels are:

> T4 0.3

> TSH 0.15

> I was wondering what people here think of those levels, anything

to

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[Guest guest]

She just needs to ask for a copy of her last blood results and a copy of the reference range for each test. They should all be there on one paper. Then we can check whether her results are at the top or the bottom of the range - it does make a difference as to whether a doctors interpretation of "normal" is normal or not.

Luv - Sheila

Re: Levels

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There is a range within which the laboratory would call normal. This could be 1 - 6. Anyone within that range they would call normal. Anyone below that range or above that range would be termed L (low) or H (high). As different laboratories have slightly different ranges there is no way to tell, if they say L how low it is or if they say H how high it is.

Saying that her T4 was 0.3 makes no sense, as most laboratories we have come across here have a reference range of say 9 - 20. 0.3 is quite weird.

However her laboratory might have a different range for T4 than anywhere else, so she really needs to know the range they are going by.

Although a TSH of 0.15 is termed as below normal and hyper by a majority of doctors, this is not necessarily the case.

I myself am not fully well unless I am down to 0.01 and I am still not hyper.

Lilian

Sorry I'm not very up on these things! What does my friend need to ask her GP about reference ranges?

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The print out from the GP's (in my experience) is not the same as the one the consultants get. When I can look at the results my consultant gets it does show all the ranges, but the one from my doctor does not. Just has a L or H against it. They do not doctor it (no pun intended) when they send me a copy because I have asked the GP to give me a print out whilst I was sitting in his room so I watched him find the results, click on print and saw it being printed. Perhaps the labs do not think it necessary to give the doctors this information and that just L for below range or H for higher would suffice. So there is no way for the doctor to know how high, low, or within you really are.

Lilian

Re: Levels

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Hi Callisto,

Depends on how she feels! But was this test done 5 weeks after

the reduction or before? Really needs the range to know for sure

Subject: Levels

A friend of mine has recently had her thyroxine reduced by her GP. Her

levels are:

T4 0.3

TSH 0.15

I was wondering what people here think of those levels, anything to

worry about?

[Guest guest]

No, GP printed out just as he got it - I saw it on the screen. It looks like this (from an old one):

30/11/2005 Serum TSH level = 0.21 mu/L Low Dr.JP (name in full of my GP)

30/11/2005 Serum ferritin = 23 ug/L Dr.JP

30/1/2005 Serum cholesterol = 5.2 mmol/L High Dr.JP

30/11/2005 ALT/SGPT serum level = 44 iu/L High Dr.JP

and they are all like this with the word High or Low in cases where the laboratory thinks they are. By the way does anyone know what ALT/SGPT is?

You can see that nothing has been doctored. The only reference ranges they give are for diabetes and vitamin B12.

Lilian

I get reference ranges from my GP - he just prints out everything for me, never had a problem with it and he even prints out my husbands test results, 'so that you can show your wife' so it is something that perhaps different areas do or just the software that the GP has - or maybe the GP's who don't want you to see it all can print out just the bit they want you to see.

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Thanks for the link. Very interesting, so it is to do with my liver. I vaguely remember someone saying that there is a bit of a liver problem but not to worry it is possibly because of the medication I am taking.

However, you will see what I mean, the lab just put High without any range.

No wonder when I ask for a print out of the blood results the doctor asks me why I want them and tells me I will not be able to understand them. Without reference ranges how does the doctor know how high 'high' is.

In fact I now ask the endo's secretary for a copy of my blood test results lol Only problem there is he only does tests appertaining to diabetes and thyroid and as I have other things wrong I like to keep track of those too (e.g. B12 and anaemia).

Lilian

In that case it must be your area because

Here is the answer to your question http://www.raysahelian.com/alt.html

[Guest guest]

Hi Lilian

ALT/AST is liver function, this is what I keep on about, do you have

a result for Alkaline Phosphatase, from this they can tell whether

you need a bone scane.

Luv

Chris

>

> No, GP printed out just as he got it - I saw it on the screen.

It looks like this (from an old one):

>

> 30/11/2005 Serum TSH level = 0.21 mu/L Low Dr.JP (name in full of

my GP)

> 30/11/2005 Serum ferritin = 23 ug/L Dr.JP

> 30/1/2005 Serum cholesterol = 5.2 mmol/L High Dr.JP

> 30/11/2005 ALT/SGPT serum level = 44 iu/L High Dr.JP

>

> and they are all like this with the word High or Low in cases

where the laboratory thinks they are. By the way does anyone know

what ALT/SGPT is?

>

> You can see that nothing has been doctored. The only reference

ranges they give are for diabetes and vitamin B12.

>

> Lilian

>

> I get reference ranges from my GP - he just prints out

everything for me, never had a problem with it and he even prints

out my husbands test results, 'so that you can show your wife' so it

is something that perhaps different areas do or just the software

that the GP has - or maybe the GP's who don't want you to see it all

can print out just the bit they want you to see.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi

The last blood test I had (Nov 2007), and which I got from the endo so is a lot clearer says as follows:

Alk. Phosphatase 81 IU/L 40 - 150

ALT 20 IU/L 10 - 31

the rest says:

Albumin 36 g/l 35 - 50

Total bilirubin 5 umol/l 0 - 20.5

Free T3 3.6 pmol/l 2.5 - 5.7

GFR result > 60 ml/min (no reference given)

Creatinine 63 umol/l 53-97

I do not know what any of that means. Doctor was right lol.

The T3 is where it is because I am taking Armour, but stopped for three weeks before the test, but carried on taking 150mcg thyroxine during that time.

I noticed on the results form that the laboratory had written:

HbA1c Test not performed as it falls outside the "Minimum Frequency for Pathology Testing" guidelines - issued 14/6/2005. Please refer to previous results. Contact relevant consultant Pathologist if you wish to discuss further. Samples will be discarded after 7 days.

Lilian

ALT/AST is liver function, this is what I keep on about, do you have a result for Alkaline Phosphatase, from this they can tell whether you need a bone scan.

[Guest guest]

Milk Thistle is one of the supplements I do take nne - thanks for the info though.

I did get the reference ranges when I asked for a copy of the test results from the endo. However it seems endo does not get blood results of doctors request and neither does the doctor get the results of the endo's tests, which I think is diabolical. I can understand not giving the endo results of doctors tests because he could be taking tests for something endo is not concerned about, but any consultant I see is the concern of my doctor and he should get the results from all.

What happens is that endo (or other consultant) gets the results and just writes to GP to say he found nothing wrong, or that my X was a little high, but the doctor doesn't see the results in black and white, unless the consultant sends a copy with his letter.

But when I have asked my GP for a copy of it I have always been told they do not get a copy.

This is true (although I was very sceptical at first), because whilst I was in with the nurse having my B12 I asked her if I should speak to him about my platelets (which are also ). She looked on the computer to see how low they were but could not find them. She asked when I had it done, and still couldn't find them. I said it was done from the consultant and she said "ah well we wouldn't have it because we do not get the results of their tests".

Lilian

Lilian, if you have liver problems perhaps you should check out taking milk thistle to help your liver cleanse itself, yours is on the high side and that cannot be good for you long term - makes me so cross when they say, oh yes you have a slight liver problem, not to worry probably to do with the meds you take................................. end of story, no it is not the end of the story, you need to do something about it.

[Guest guest]

Hi Lilian

Do you have a previous one to compare the levels? Just because the

levels may fluctuate within the reference range does not always mean

they are ok for the individual.

My Alkaline Phosphatase shot from 70 to 89 but because both numbers

are within the reference range and it did not signal High. Same as

my ALT shot from 24 to 40.

GFR is kidney function and should be above 90 to be normal, yours

just says above 60, if it were below 60 you would have stage 3

kidney failure, between 60-90 is stage 2. This is calculated from

your creatinine result and your age.

You can calculate yours here:

http://www.renal.org/eGFR/index.html

Luv

Chris

>

> Hi

>

> The last blood test I had (Nov 2007), and which I got from the

endo so is a lot clearer says as follows:

>

> Alk. Phosphatase 81 IU/L 40 - 150

> ALT 20 IU/L 10 - 31

> the rest says:

> Albumin 36 g/l 35 - 50

> Total bilirubin 5 umol/l 0 - 20.5

> Free T3 3.6 pmol/l 2.5 - 5.7

> GFR result > 60 ml/min (no reference given)

> Creatinine 63 umol/l 53-97

> I do not know what any of that means. Doctor was right lol.

> The T3 is where it is because I am taking Armour, but stopped for

three weeks before the test, but carried on taking 150mcg thyroxine

during that time.

>

> I noticed on the results form that the laboratory had written:

> HbA1c Test not performed as it falls outside the " Minimum

Frequency for Pathology Testing " guidelines - issued 14/6/2005.

Please refer to previous results. Contact relevant consultant

Pathologist if you wish to discuss further. Samples will be

discarded after 7 days.

>

> Lilian

> ALT/AST is liver function, this is what I keep on about, do you

have

> a result for Alkaline Phosphatase, from this they can tell

whether

> you need a bone scan.

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for that Chris. I am a bit busy at the moment but will look to see if I can find other test results. Thanks for your input - I might be calling on your again

Lilian

GFR is kidney function and should be above 90 to be normal, yours just says above 60, if it were below 60 you would have stage 3 kidney failure, between 60-90 is stage 2. This is calculated from your creatinine result and your age.You can calculate yours here:http://www.renal.org/eGFR/index.htmlLuvChris--- In thyroid treatment , "Lilian15-googlemail" <lilian.swallow@...> wrote:>> Hi > > The last blood test I had (Nov 2007), and which I got from the endo so is a lot clearer says as follows:> > Alk. Phosphatase 81 IU/L 40 - 150> ALT 20 IU/L 10 - 31> the rest says:> Albumin 36 g/l 35 - 50> Total bilirubin 5 umol/l 0 - 20.5> Free T3 3.6 pmol/l 2.5 - 5.7> GFR result > 60 ml/min (no reference given)> Creatinine 63 umol/l 53-97> I do not know what any of that means. Doctor was right lol.> The T3 is where it is because I am taking Armour, but stopped for three weeks before the test, but carried on taking 150mcg thyroxine during that time.> > I noticed on the results form that the laboratory had written:> HbA1c Test not performed as it falls outside the "Minimum Frequency for Pathology Testing" guidelines - issued 14/6/2005. Please refer to previous results. Contact relevant consultant Pathologist if you wish to discuss further. Samples will be discarded after 7 days.> > Lilian> ALT/AST is liver function, this is what I keep on about, do you have > a result for Alkaline Phosphatase, from this they can tell whether > you need a bone scan.>Messages are not a substitute for professional medical advice. Always consult with a suitably qualified practitioner before changing medication.

[Guest guest]

PS to Chris.

Co-incidentally I was asked by the doctor to send a urine sample to the hospital for a kidney test. I did this last Monday, so may have the result tomorrow when I have made an appointment to see him - for something else.

Lilian

[Guest guest]

Hi Lilian

Good opportunity to ask about your kidneys and liver.

Luv

Chris

>

> PS to Chris.

> Co-incidentally I was asked by the doctor to send a urine sample to

the hospital for a kidney test. I did this last Monday, so may have

the result tomorrow when I have made an appointment to see him - for

something else.

>

> Lilian

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Lillian, thought I was getting the hang of these hormone levels but

I'm getting more confused. I saw the message that different labs have

different ranges so have emptied out all my cupboards to find a lab

report I had done last year.

I visited my GP for latest results last week and was told TSH was 4.94

but that the endo will not see me until I hit 10. Under my TSH I have

a range of (0.5-3.9mU/L). (I was 5.2 at the end of October last year).

I would have thought that as I am above the range then this magic 10

doesn't apply. No T4 but I have thyroid antibodies (autoimmune in the

family).

Am I getting this all wrong?

A very confused Irene

> Although a TSH of 0.15 is termed as below normal and hyper by a

majority of doctors, this is not necessarily the case.

>

> I myself am not fully well unless I am down to 0.01 and I am still

not hyper.

>

> Lilian

> Sorry I'm not very up on these things! What does my friend need to

> ask her GP about reference ranges?

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Irene

Then you need to ask to be referred to an endocrinologist elsewhere. You do not have to see this guy and I would frankly run a mile from somebody who made such a statement that he will not see you until your TSH is more than 10. You can choose who you wish to see in what area you would like. I would do that as soon as possible.

Different laboratories have different 'kits' and that is why the reference ranges are different in each area.

Luv - Sheila

Hi Lillian, thought I was getting the hang of these hormone levels but I'm getting more confused. I saw the message that different labs have different ranges so have emptied out all my cupboards to find a lab report I had done last year.I visited my GP for latest results last week and was told TSH was 4.94 but that the endo will not see me until I hit 10. Under my TSH I have a range of (0.5-3.9mU/L). (I was 5.2 at the end of October last year). I would have thought that as I am above the range then this magic 10 doesn't apply. No T4 but I have thyroid antibodies (autoimmune in the family).Am I getting this all wrong?A very confused Irene> Although a TSH of 0.15 is termed as below normal and hyper by a majority of doctors, this is not necessarily the case. > > I myself am not fully well unless I am down to 0.01 and I am still not hyper.> > Lilian> Sorry I'm not very up on these things! What does my friend need to > ask her GP about reference ranges?>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Lillian & nne,

On the point about liver problems, I had raise Liver Function Tests

for a couple of years and was being monitored every 3 months. When I

said I didn't drink at all and was concerned that it may be to do

with medication I was scanned and sent to the Gastro man. after more

tblood tests and monitoring they wanted to do an biopsy. I had just

found out that one of my neighbours had contracted C-diff and there

has just been another MRSA scare at the hospital so I said to monitor

for another 6 months. In the meantime I read Ron Gallatleys book on

Internal Health and did a 15 day detox herbal system (Quick Cleanse).

My liver function tests went from

Alkaline phosphatase 176H to 87

(35-115)

Gamma-Glutamyltransfera 254H to 77

(7-33)

Alanine transaminase 239H to 40

(0-40)

Bilirubin (Total) 8 to 5

(2-20)

When Gastroman saw my results he was absolutely delighted and should

the student who was in at the time. " Brilliant " he said. I told him

I had just completed 3 weeks of a herbal detox program and he blanked

me. Not one comment. I suggested that I use this program maybe

every 6 months to keep everything nearer the normal level and he

said " That was unacceptable " . It's not just Endo's who set

themselves up as God, playing with peoples lives.

I didn't get the buzz of feeling 'cleansed' but I do have piece of

mind that I can look after my liver myself. It was expensive but 9

months on my Liver function is still good so I not going to repeat

till one year is up.

Hope this is reassuring for you.

Irene

liver cleanse itself, yours is on the high side and that

> cannot be good for you long term - makes me so cross when they say,

oh yes

> you have a slight liver problem, not to worry probably to do with

the meds you

> take................................. end of story, no it is not

the end of

> the story, you need to do something about it.

>

> Luv nne

>

> Thanks for the link. Very interesting, so it is to do with my

liver. I

> vaguely remember someone saying that there is a bit of a liver

problem but

> not to worry it is possibly because of the medication

>

[Guest guest]

Hi nne,

I don't have the numbers and phoned the surgery to find out but the

ladies on the front test don't know how to read. I'm going to write

in to see my notes to compile a wee history of my own. My GP's on

holiday at the moment so I feel safe to do so. I should have thyroid

tests as old as 1981 so that should give me a good idea of changes

over the years. I'll get the TPO? is it, then.

I feel I should buy a balaclava for the visit!

The one thing that still confuses me is - if different surgeries use

different tests which have their own individual ranges, where does

this 10 come from as an acceptable level with a range of (0.5>3.9)

should be different from one that was say (0.5>6.0). Do you see

where I'm coming from?

Thanks again, Irene

- do you know what the numbers were

> for the antibodies and the ref ranges?

>

> Luv nne

>

> I visited my GP for latest results last week and was told TSH was

4.94

> but that the endo will not see me until I hit 10. Under my TSH I

have

> a range of (0.5-3.9mU/L).

>

[Guest guest]

Good for you Irene - and for all hypothyroid sufferers, it is ESSENTIAL you keep your liver functioning as best you can. thyroxine is converted through the liver to the active T3, and if it is not in good order, this could be a problem. NO doctor is god - we know our bodies, and more of us are getting better through looking after ourselves than with them supposedly looking after us.

Luv - Sheila

Hi Lillian & nne,On the point about liver problems, I had raise Liver Function Tests for a couple of years and was being monitored every 3 months. When I said I didn't drink at all and was concerned that it may be to do with medication I was scanned and sent to the Gastro man. after more tblood tests and monitoring they wanted to do an biopsy. I had just found out that one of my neighbours had contracted C-diff and there has just been another MRSA scare at the hospital so I said to monitor for another 6 months. In the meantime I read Ron Gallatleys book on Internal Health and did a 15 day detox herbal system (Quick Cleanse). My liver function tests went fromAlkaline phosphatase 176H to 87(35-115)Gamma-Glutamyltransfera 254H to 77(7-33)Alanine transaminase 239H to 40(0-40)Bilirubin (Total) 8 to 5(2-20)When Gastroman saw my results he was absolutely delighted and should the student who was in at the time. "Brilliant" he said. I told him I had just completed 3 weeks of a herbal detox program and he blanked me. Not one comment. I suggested that I use this program maybe every 6 months to keep everything nearer the normal level and he said "That was unacceptable". It's not just Endo's who set themselves up as God, playing with peoples lives. I didn't get the buzz of feeling 'cleansed' but I do have piece of mind that I can look after my liver myself. It was expensive but 9 months on my Liver function is still good so I not going to repeat till one year is up. Hope this is reassuring for you.Ireneliver cleanse itself, yours is on the high side and that > cannot be good for you long term - makes me so cross when they say, oh yes > you have a slight liver problem, not to worry probably to do with the meds you > take................................. end of story, no it is not the end of > the story, you need to do something about it.> > Luv nne> > Thanks for the link. Very interesting, so it is to do with my liver. I > vaguely remember someone saying that there is a bit of a liver problem but > not to worry it is possibly because of the medication>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Lilian,

I was recommended milk

thistle some years ago- just after I changed from T4 to Armour and T3. The

result was awful. Wind like a music hall joke, I couldn’t move for wind.

My family were so horrified and I was too embarrassed to go out I stopped it

after a few days. I was told that this effect would stop after a while, but it

was too awful to persist.

Subject: Re:

Re: Levels

Milk Thistle is one of the supplements I do take nne - thanks

for the info though.

Lilian

Lilian, if you have liver problems perhaps you should check out

taking milk thistle to help your liver cleanse itself, yours is on the high

side and that cannot be good for you long term - makes me so cross when

they say, oh yes you have a slight liver problem, not to worry probably to do

with the meds you take................................. end of story, no it is

not the end of the story, you need to do something about it.

[Guest guest]

Doesn't seem to bother me . However I take metformin (high dose) and if that doesn't do it, nothing will lol.

Some people have made a living out of that lol

Lilian

The result was awful. Wind like a music hall joke,

[Guest guest]

I started Androgel 8 weeks ago after my T levels came back at 92, (34 yr old

male). For the last 2 weeks my nipples have been wicked painful and getting

puffy. So I contacted the Dr. and asked for recommendations. He recommended

dropping down from my usual 4 pumps a day to only 2 pumps a day. (this is

without even taking a new blood test). So asked if a new blood test should be

done to check where I am at. So them he scheduled a draw. The results came back

that my T level is at 287, still low.

So my thoughts are that the dosage would need to be increased to get the T

levels up to balance out the e2 levels, which I am guessing are high. But the

Dr. wants me to " drop down to 2 pumps to see is the sides reside " ......

Just curious what you all think.

thanks

R

[Guest guest]

I am sorry to say this but your Dr. is not up on treating low Testosterone.

Your on a starting dose having high Estradiol E2 problems that sould have been

checked before he gave you this gel. Now your levels for E2 could have been on

the high side now on gels there go up higher any one on any kind of TRT in time

they are going to have higher levels of E2. You don't lower the dose to bring

down E2 levels your treat the high E2 with Arimidex or Indolplex/DIM.

All your Dr. is doing is lowering your dose thinking it will help with E2 but

what is going to happen is your Testosterone levels are going to go lower then

what they were before you started on the gel. You need more Gel your levels are

to low and if more gel dose not get your Total T levels up into the upper 1/3 of

your labs range you need to switch to shots starting with 100 mgs / week.

Some men have a Thyroid Problem this makes the skin thicker and gels and creams

can't get through the skin. Other men the gels and creams just don't work.

In this link it talks about men getting E2 levels down and there Testosterone

levels going back up.

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/89/3/1174

Some men with high levels of E2 getting it down there Testosterone goes back up

some 200 to 300 Points.

http://www.medibolics.com/ArimidexBoostsTestosterone.htm

High levels of E2 are not good for men.

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2008/nov2008_Dangers-of-Excess-Estrogen-in-the-Ag\

ing-Male_01.htm

Here are some copys I have made about using Arimidex and or Indolplex/DIM.

====================================================

How To Take Arimdex and not go down on your Estradiol to Low.

What I found is if you go to low taking arimidex, it's the length of time your

to low, if your too low say for 8 weeks it can take your body a longer time to

make more Estradiol. Bottom line is to know how not to go to low. Keep a log on

your dose and how you feel men going to low can't get it up taking Viagra. I

went to low when I first tried Arimidex and did not know about going to low or

how one feels to low, so I was low a good 8 weeks. I did not know I was low

until my next labs.

The best gage I have found to control your Estradiol levels is to gage your

night time and morning wood. At good levels or what I call the sweet spot you

get your night time and morning wood back so strong it will wake you up and you

can hang a coat on it.

Most men do good taking .25 mgs or 1/4 of a 1mg. pill, I use a pill cutter to

cut the small pill in half then I stand it on the cut end and use a single edge

razor to cut this in half. A good way to take arimidex is by how high your

levels are. I tested over 90 pg/ml so we tried doing .5 mgs every other day

after 8 weeks my next set of labs showed it did not move below 90, test said

>90. So we did .5 mgs. every day in about 2 weeks I got some strong night time

and morning wood back after not having them for many yrs.

I kept doing this dose and in 8 weeks my next set of labs said <20 back in the

day labs were like this they did not have to good labs we have today they could

not read lower the 20. My Dr. told me this looks to low to stop taking the

Arimidex. The one thing I noticed was my wood stopped and stopping the Arimidex

my wood came back in about 7 weeks my next test at 8 weeks was 24 pg/ml. So we

went back on the Arimidex but the Dr. told me to take .5 mgs every 3 days I was

on this dose not a week and lost wood. This is when I figured out going to low

you lose wood. And the longer your too low the longer it takes to get levels

back up.

I stopped the arimidex right away and got my wood back in 4 days. I then after

playing with the dose for a time found the best dose is .25mgs every 2 to 3

days.

So lets say your labs are less the 50 pg/ml if your take .5 mgs you can go down

so dam fast your miss the sweet spot of your wood and go to low. It's best with

lower levels 50 and under to do less Arimidex .25mgs every 2 days if later your

lose wood when it comes back go to every 3 days.

I have found estradiol is the hardest hormone to control, it goes up or down

from month to month some times I need .25mgs every 2 days other times I need

..25mgs everyday most of the time I do well on every 3 days.

So between wood and labs I do great and so do most of the men I have told this

to. I keep a log on how much I am taking and how I feel. Doing this and reading

back in my log I was able to tell when I was going to high or to low my Dr. lets

me dose my arimidex by how I feel.

Over the yrs. I have posted this story until I am blue in the face.

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ALL ABOUT DIM.

Sure here is a few links that are all about it. But there are a lot of Co.'s

out there selling DIM that don't work well. Indolplex/DIM is the best it dose

not get killed in your stomach when you take it.

Diindolylmethane (DIM) is a stable indole found in cruciferous vegetables which

promotes a beneficial estrogen metabolism in both women and men.

http://www.dimfaq.com/index.htm

in this link it's full of links about it.

http://qualitycounts.com/fpdim.html

http://www.jbc.org/content/278/23/21136.full

If you have DIM in caps it's not Indolplex so to take this and to get it to work

open the cap pore the DIM into a spoon add some Olive oil and take it this helps

to keep it from getting killed in your stomach.

The following is some links to where you can buy Indolplex/DIM.

http://www.vitaglo.com/e5336.html

http://www.vitacost.com/EnzymaticTherapyEstroBalancewithDIM/searchby-PN/searchte\

xt-dim

http://www.iherb.com/Enzymatic-Therapy-Pure-Rip-with-DIM-60-Tablets/12814?at=0

http://www.iherb.com/Enzymatic-Therapy-Pure-Rip-with-DIM-60-Tablets/12814?at=0

http://www.estrobalance.net/

http://www.easyhealthzone.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=PP0108 & click=71

http://www.nbizz.com/longevityclinic/listings/213.html

http://www.drugnatural.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD & Store_Code=DMOS & Product_\

Code=156497

http://www.smartbomb.com/itindo9.html?utm_source=mercent & utm_medium=shopcompare & \

utm_content=itindo9 & utm_campaign=mbsdb & mr:trackingCode=C6AEFBD1-E681-DE11-B7F3-0\

019B9C043EB & mr:referralID=NA

http://www.ritecare.com/cgi-bin/cart.pl?db=product_db.dat & category=natural+medic\

ine & method=any_words & search=iti-75336

http://www.naturamart.com/phytopharmica-pms-formula-with-indoplex-120-caps.html

How to take Indolplex/DIM take one tablet 120 mgs at dinner time it can take 2

weeks to 2 months to get your Estradiol levels down it’s all about how high

you are in your levels. What you need to do is get this down to about 20 pg/ml.

When you get this low your night time and morning wood will come back so strong

it will wake you up this means most of the time your at your best levels or what

I call the sweet spot. Keep taking the DIM but if your wood stops your going

down to low so just stop taking it. The day your wood comes back go back on

the DIM but cut the tablet in half. If your Testosterone was tested and low but

your not on TRT get it tested again you might find your levels came up some 200

to 300 points.

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/89/3/1174

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: bigruss200 <bigruss200@...>

> Subject: levels

>

> Date: Monday, March 29, 2010, 12:27 PM

> I started Androgel 8 weeks ago after

> my T levels came back at 92, (34 yr old male). For the last

> 2 weeks my nipples have been wicked painful and getting

> puffy. So I contacted the Dr. and asked for recommendations.

> He recommended dropping down from my usual 4 pumps a day to

> only 2 pumps a day. (this is without even taking a new blood

> test). So asked if a new blood test should be done to check

> where I am at. So them he scheduled a draw. The results came

> back that my T level is at 287, still low.

>

> So my thoughts are that the dosage would need to be

> increased to get the T levels up to balance out the e2

> levels, which I am guessing are high. But the Dr. wants me

> to " drop down to 2 pumps to see is the sides reside " ......

>

> Just curious what you all think.

>

> thanks

> R

>

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