Re: Switching to Cypionate

[Guest guest]

That's exactly the amount my new doc told me to take today. He also prescribed

hcg and told me to take 250iu on day 5 and six after injection. It's pretty much

dr. crisler's protocol just halF the T. I think it's small but we'll see. Huge

difference from the 400 every 2 weeks my previous doc was giving me. Did you ask

him about hcg?

>

> When i was put on Androgel by my doctor my t level was 186. After 4 months of

4 pumps a day my level was 143. My doctor increased my dosage to 6 pumps and

after a month my level was 546 but there is no physical difference. He's saying

i may not feel a difference for a few more months. I told him enough of the gel

i want to try the cypionate and he complied. My problem is he prescribed 50 mg

a week. Women take this dosage. I'm 6'2 245 pounds and friends are saying

anything less than 100mg a week will do nothing for me. He also prescribed a 1ml

27g syringe. I think i may need another doctor. What do you guys think?

>

[Guest guest]

I'm 220lbs and shooting 60mg every 3 days. I still don't feel that good. I think

I need a lot more. 50mg is definetly not enough for you. The doctor probably

wants to work up slowly. Does he have you rechecking your levels after 2 weeks?

The syringe should be ok though. I use a 28g 1ml syringe and shoot it into my

outer thigh. It's kind of a pain in the back side getting to oil into the

syringe, but thats just a minor inconvenience.

>

> When i was put on Androgel by my doctor my t level was 186. After 4 months of

4 pumps a day my level was 143. My doctor increased my dosage to 6 pumps and

after a month my level was 546 but there is no physical difference. He's saying

i may not feel a difference for a few more months. I told him enough of the gel

i want to try the cypionate and he complied. My problem is he prescribed 50 mg

a week. Women take this dosage. I'm 6'2 245 pounds and friends are saying

anything less than 100mg a week will do nothing for me. He also prescribed a 1ml

27g syringe. I think i may need another doctor. What do you guys think?

>

[Guest guest]

> >

> > When i was put on Androgel by my doctor my t level was 186. After 4 months

of 4 pumps a day my level was 143. My doctor increased my dosage to 6 pumps and

after a month my level was 546 but there is no physical difference. He's saying

i may not feel a difference for a few more months. I told him enough of the gel

i want to try the cypionate and he complied. My problem is he prescribed 50 mg

a week. Women take this dosage. I'm 6'2 245 pounds and friends are saying

anything less than 100mg a week will do nothing for me. He also prescribed a 1ml

27g syringe. I think i may need another doctor. What do you guys think?

> >

>

I dont know what HCG is. My doctor has never mentioned that or Estradiol before.

I don't see why he would need to work up slowly when I've been on Androgel for

so long.

[Guest guest]

You could show him Dr. 's paper TRT: A Recipe for Success and his HCG update

at www.allthingsmale.com

Or the AACE Guildlines but this is old.

http://www.aace.com/pub/pdf/guidelines/hypogonadism.pdf

No one starts on shots at 50 mgs / week most of us have a problem getting Dr.'s

to let us do shots every week. He is just trying to start low and work his way

up all you can do is try this and call him in a week and if you feel good then

fall back hard tell him.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Nitti <bk_nitti@...>

> Subject: Switching to Cypionate

>

> Date: Friday, April 9, 2010, 7:05 PM

> When i was put on Androgel by my

> doctor my t level was 186.  After 4 months of 4 pumps a

> day my level was 143.  My doctor increased my dosage to

> 6 pumps and after a month my level was 546 but there is no

> physical difference.  He's saying i may not feel a

> difference for a few more months.  I told him enough of

> the gel i want to try the cypionate and he complied. 

> My problem is he prescribed 50 mg a week.  Women take

> this dosage.  I'm 6'2 245 pounds and friends are saying

> anything less than 100mg a week will do nothing for me. He

> also prescribed a 1ml 27g syringe.  I think i may need

> another doctor.  What do you guys think?

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

If your testis work good the HCG will keep your Testosterone levels up it acts

like the LH message sent to your testis from your brain that tells your testis

to make Testosterone and it acts a lot faster and only last 2 days.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: andrenym007 <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: Switching to Cypionate

>

> Date: Friday, April 9, 2010, 11:14 PM

> That's exactly the amount my new doc

> told me to take today. He also prescribed hcg and told me to

> take 250iu on day 5 and six after injection. It's pretty

> much dr. crisler's protocol just halF the T. I think it's

> small but we'll see. Huge difference from the 400 every 2

> weeks my previous doc was giving me. Did you ask him about

> hcg?

>

>

> >

> > When i was put on Androgel by my doctor my t level was

> 186.  After 4 months of 4 pumps a day my level was

> 143.  My doctor increased my dosage to 6 pumps and

> after a month my level was 546 but there is no physical

> difference.  He's saying i may not feel a difference

> for a few more months.  I told him enough of the gel i

> want to try the cypionate and he complied.  My problem

> is he prescribed 50 mg a week.  Women take this

> dosage.  I'm 6'2 245 pounds and friends are saying

> anything less than 100mg a week will do nothing for me. He

> also prescribed a 1ml 27g syringe.  I think i may need

> another doctor.  What do you guys think?

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

The weight of a man has nothing to do with the dose of T shot one does. You

need to run labs but go by how your feel keeping your Estradiol levels down most

men do good keeping there Total T up into the upper 1/3 of there labs range.

It's all in this link.

http://www.griffinmedical.com/male_hormone_modulation_therapy.html

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: Switching to Cypionate

>

> Date: Saturday, April 10, 2010, 7:34 AM

> I'm 220lbs and shooting 60mg every 3

> days. I still don't feel that good. I think I need a lot

> more. 50mg is definetly not enough for you. The doctor

> probably wants to work up slowly. Does he have you

> rechecking your levels after 2 weeks?

>

> The syringe should be ok though. I use a 28g 1ml syringe

> and shoot it into my outer thigh. It's kind of a pain in the

> back side getting to oil into the syringe, but thats just a

> minor inconvenience.

>

>

> >

> > When i was put on Androgel by my doctor my t level was

> 186.  After 4 months of 4 pumps a day my level was

> 143.  My doctor increased my dosage to 6 pumps and

> after a month my level was 546 but there is no physical

> difference.  He's saying i may not feel a difference

> for a few more months.  I told him enough of the gel i

> want to try the cypionate and he complied.  My problem

> is he prescribed 50 mg a week.  Women take this

> dosage.  I'm 6'2 245 pounds and friends are saying

> anything less than 100mg a week will do nothing for me. He

> also prescribed a 1ml 27g syringe.  I think i may need

> another doctor.  What do you guys think?

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

It's just the way the Dr. is playing it safe it very hard to find your on to

much and then have to lower the dose. Going up on the dose is easy lowering you

crash of feel like crap until your body adjusts to the new lower dose. We feel

bad when levels fall to fast or go down.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Nitti <bk_nitti@...>

> Subject: Re: Switching to Cypionate

>

> Date: Saturday, April 10, 2010, 7:47 AM

>

>

>

> > >

> > > When i was put on Androgel by my doctor my t

> level was 186.  After 4 months of 4 pumps a day my

> level was 143.  My doctor increased my dosage to 6

> pumps and after a month my level was 546 but there is no

> physical difference.  He's saying i may not feel a

> difference for a few more months.  I told him enough of

> the gel i want to try the cypionate and he complied. 

> My problem is he prescribed 50 mg a week.  Women take

> this dosage.  I'm 6'2 245 pounds and friends are saying

> anything less than 100mg a week will do nothing for me. He

> also prescribed a 1ml 27g syringe.  I think i may need

> another doctor.  What do you guys think?

> > >

> >

> I dont know what HCG is. My doctor has never mentioned that

> or Estradiol before.  I don't see why he would need to

> work up slowly when I've been on Androgel for so long.

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

what is HCG?

>

> > From: Nitti <bk_nitti@...>

> > Subject: Switching to Cypionate

> >

> > Date: Friday, April 9, 2010, 7:05 PM

> > When i was put on Androgel by my

> > doctor my t level was 186.  After 4 months of 4 pumps a

> > day my level was 143.  My doctor increased my dosage to

> > 6 pumps and after a month my level was 546 but there is no

> > physical difference.  He's saying i may not feel a

> > difference for a few more months.  I told him enough of

> > the gel i want to try the cypionate and he complied. 

> > My problem is he prescribed 50 mg a week.  Women take

> > this dosage.  I'm 6'2 245 pounds and friends are saying

> > anything less than 100mg a week will do nothing for me. He

> > also prescribed a 1ml 27g syringe.  I think i may need

> > another doctor.  What do you guys think?

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

In men it acts like the LH message sent to the testis by the brain to tell it to

make Testosterone.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_chorionic_gonadotropin

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Nitti <bk_nitti@...>

> Subject: Re: Switching to Cypionate

>

> Date: Saturday, April 10, 2010, 11:40 AM

>

> what is HCG?

>

>

>

> >

> > > From: Nitti <bk_nitti@...>

> > > Subject: Switching to Cypionate

> > >

> > > Date: Friday, April 9, 2010, 7:05 PM

> > > When i was put on Androgel by my

> > > doctor my t level was 186.  After 4 months of 4

> pumps a

> > > day my level was 143.  My doctor increased my

> dosage to

> > > 6 pumps and after a month my level was 546 but

> there is no

> > > physical difference.  He's saying i may not feel

> a

> > > difference for a few more months.  I told him

> enough of

> > > the gel i want to try the cypionate and he

> complied. 

> > > My problem is he prescribed 50 mg a week.  Women

> take

> > > this dosage.  I'm 6'2 245 pounds and friends are

> saying

> > > anything less than 100mg a week will do nothing

> for me. He

> > > also prescribed a 1ml 27g syringe.  I think i

> may need

> > > another doctor.  What do you guys think?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I was always curious about HCG and fertililty. If it acts like LH why doesn't it

help produce sperm?

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Switching to Cypionate

> > >

> > > Date: Friday, April 9, 2010, 7:05 PM

> > > When i was put on Androgel by my

> > > doctor my t level was 186.  After 4 months of 4

> pumps a

> > > day my level was 143.  My doctor increased my

> dosage to

> > > 6 pumps and after a month my level was 546 but

> there is no

> > > physical difference.  He's saying i may not feel

> a

> > > difference for a few more months.  I told him

> enough of

> > > the gel i want to try the cypionate and he

> complied. 

> > > My problem is he prescribed 50 mg a week.  Women

> take

> > > this dosage.  I'm 6'2 245 pounds and friends are

> saying

> > > anything less than 100mg a week will do nothing

> for me. He

> > > also prescribed a 1ml 27g syringe.  I think i

> may need

> > > another doctor.  What do you guys think?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Cool, I thought it had a negative effect on sperm production.

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Switching to Cypionate

> > >

> > > Date: Friday, April 9, 2010, 7:05 PM

> > > When i was put on Androgel by my

> > > doctor my t level was 186.  After 4 months of 4

> pumps a

> > > day my level was 143.  My doctor increased my

> dosage to

> > > 6 pumps and after a month my level was 546 but

> there is no

> > > physical difference.  He's saying i may not feel

> a

> > > difference for a few more months.  I told him

> enough of

> > > the gel i want to try the cypionate and he

> complied. 

> > > My problem is he prescribed 50 mg a week.  Women

> take

> > > this dosage.  I'm 6'2 245 pounds and friends are

> saying

> > > anything less than 100mg a week will do nothing

> for me. He

> > > also prescribed a 1ml 27g syringe.  I think i

> may need

> > > another doctor.  What do you guys think?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Mark,

HCG is used for fertility. My insurance company initially denied coverage

for HCG because it is primarily used for fertility purposes. When the

doctor clarified it was prescribed for Hypogonadism, they approved the

coverage.

Switching to Cypionate

> > >

> > > Date: Friday, April 9, 2010, 7:05 PM

> > > When i was put on Androgel by my

> > > doctor my t level was 186.  After 4 months of 4

> pumps a

> > > day my level was 143.  My doctor increased my

> dosage to

> > > 6 pumps and after a month my level was 546 but

> there is no

> > > physical difference.  He's saying i may not feel

> a

> > > difference for a few more months.  I told him

> enough of

> > > the gel i want to try the cypionate and he

> complied. 

> > > My problem is he prescribed 50 mg a week.  Women

> take

> > > this dosage.  I'm 6'2 245 pounds and friends are

> saying

> > > anything less than 100mg a week will do nothing

> for me. He

> > > also prescribed a 1ml 27g syringe.  I think i

> may need

> > > another doctor.  What do you guys think?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Does HCG stimulate FSH? Does anything, maybe clomid.

BTW, Phil I have decided to go see Dr Crisler. He is the doc I need to see. I

haven't scheduled an appintment yet but I will soon. I need a doc that

understands all male hormones.

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Switching to

> Cypionate

> > > >

> > > > Date: Friday, April 9, 2010, 7:05 PM

> > > > When i was put on Androgel by my

> > > > doctor my t level was 186.  After 4 months

> of 4

> > pumps a

> > > > day my level was 143.  My doctor increased

> my

> > dosage to

> > > > 6 pumps and after a month my level was 546

> but

> > there is no

> > > > physical difference.  He's saying i may not

> feel

> > a

> > > > difference for a few more months.  I told

> him

> > enough of

> > > > the gel i want to try the cypionate and he

> > complied. 

> > > > My problem is he prescribed 50 mg a week. 

> Women

> > take

> > > > this dosage.  I'm 6'2 245 pounds and

> friends are

> > saying

> > > > anything less than 100mg a week will do

> nothing

> > for me. He

> > > > also prescribed a 1ml 27g syringe.  I think

> i

> > may need

> > > > another doctor.  What do you guys think?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

It does a little but FSH dose this the most.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > From: Nitti <bk_nitti@...>

> > Subject: Re: Switching to Cypionate

> >

> > Date: Saturday, April 10, 2010, 11:40 AM

> >

> > what is HCG?

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > > From: Nitti <bk_nitti@...>

> > > > Subject: Switching to

> Cypionate

> > > >

> > > > Date: Friday, April 9, 2010, 7:05 PM

> > > > When i was put on Androgel by my

> > > > doctor my t level was 186.  After 4 months

> of 4

> > pumps a

> > > > day my level was 143.  My doctor increased

> my

> > dosage to

> > > > 6 pumps and after a month my level was 546

> but

> > there is no

> > > > physical difference.  He's saying i may not

> feel

> > a

> > > > difference for a few more months.  I told

> him

> > enough of

> > > > the gel i want to try the cypionate and he

> > complied. 

> > > > My problem is he prescribed 50 mg a week. 

> Women

> > take

> > > > this dosage.  I'm 6'2 245 pounds and

> friends are

> > saying

> > > > anything less than 100mg a week will do

> nothing

> > for me. He

> > > > also prescribed a 1ml 27g syringe.  I think

> i

> > may need

> > > > another doctor.  What do you guys think?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

HCG acts like LH and a little like FSH but as your on it your brin sees this and

slows down sending your own LH and FSH. But as soon as you stop using it your

brain kinks back in as long as your not on TRT. On TRT your LH and FSH is shut

down this is why we use HCG to keep them cells working.

Dr. is the best your going to feel much better seeing him.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> >

> > > From: Nitti <bk_nitti@...>

> > > Subject: Re: Switching to

> Cypionate

> > >

> > > Date: Saturday, April 10, 2010, 11:40 AM

> > >

> > > what is HCG?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > > From: Nitti <bk_nitti@...>

> > > > > Subject: Switching to

> > Cypionate

> > > > >

> > > > > Date: Friday, April 9, 2010, 7:05 PM

> > > > > When i was put on Androgel by my

> > > > > doctor my t level was 186.  After 4

> months

> > of 4

> > > pumps a

> > > > > day my level was 143.  My doctor

> increased

> > my

> > > dosage to

> > > > > 6 pumps and after a month my level was

> 546

> > but

> > > there is no

> > > > > physical difference.  He's saying i

> may not

> > feel

> > > a

> > > > > difference for a few more months.  I

> told

> > him

> > > enough of

> > > > > the gel i want to try the cypionate and

> he

> > > complied. 

> > > > > My problem is he prescribed 50 mg a

> week. 

> > Women

> > > take

> > > > > this dosage.  I'm 6'2 245 pounds and

> > friends are

> > > saying

> > > > > anything less than 100mg a week will

> do

> > nothing

> > > for me. He

> > > > > also prescribed a 1ml 27g syringe.  I

> think

> > i

> > > may need

> > > > > another doctor.  What do you guys

> think?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Does it raise lh and fsh immediately after taking shot? How about testosterone?

How long does it work in your system?

> > > > >

> > > > > > From: Nitti <bk_nitti@>

> > > > > > Subject: Switching to

> > > Cypionate

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Date: Friday, April 9, 2010, 7:05 PM

> > > > > > When i was put on Androgel by my

> > > > > > doctor my t level was 186.  After 4

> > months

> > > of 4

> > > > pumps a

> > > > > > day my level was 143.  My doctor

> > increased

> > > my

> > > > dosage to

> > > > > > 6 pumps and after a month my level was

> > 546

> > > but

> > > > there is no

> > > > > > physical difference.  He's saying i

> > may not

> > > feel

> > > > a

> > > > > > difference for a few more months.  I

> > told

> > > him

> > > > enough of

> > > > > > the gel i want to try the cypionate and

> > he

> > > > complied. 

> > > > > > My problem is he prescribed 50 mg a

> > week. 

> > > Women

> > > > take

> > > > > > this dosage.  I'm 6'2 245 pounds and

> > > friends are

> > > > saying

> > > > > > anything less than 100mg a week will

> > do

> > > nothing

> > > > for me. He

> > > > > > also prescribed a 1ml 27g syringe.  I

> > think

> > > i

> > > > may need

> > > > > > another doctor.  What do you guys

> > think?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

It works very fast it's your testis that are making Testosterone when you do HCG

but it's not upping your LH and FSH it looks to the body like it's Lh and makes

your testis go to work. Yet if it's been some time that you were on TRT and

they were shut down and got smaller. It can take a few weeks to get them going

full time. Even if they don't work good they will make your base levels again.

Here is a copy of a post to me by Dr. to help me get my Dr. to let me use

HCG. I started at 500 IU's 3x's a week did 15 shots then did labs my Total T

went from 600 to 1200 this is how I found out I am Secondary and that my

Pituitary dose not work right.

====================================================

He probably feels that since you suffer primary hypogonadism (I am guessing)

there is no use in adding HCG to your protocol. There are several reasons why

this is not so. First, you have not lost all Leydig cells, so any HCG you take

will stimulate those who still function to produce endogenous testosterone.

This will support testicular size. We should not ignore this aesthetic

consideration.

Next, if he reads my work, he will learn that HPTA-suppressed (as all TRT

patients are to some extent) also suffer decreased pregenenolone levels, which

is the first step after CHOL in all three hormonal pathways which begin with

CHOL. HCG increases pregnenolone production, and therefore restores a more

natural balance of our hormones.

Next, nearly all TRT patients who add in HCG to their regimens report an

increased sense of well-being and also libido. These are genuine quality of life

issues.

Finally, I just instinctively do not want all those LH receptors (including

those we have yet to discover and appreciate) unstimulated.

====================================================

And this link supports what he feels about the use of HCG in men.

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/90/5/2595

At the time I started on HCG I was on TRT 23 yrs and my testis were the size of

small grapes. They started working again after all this time and in a few

months they came back up in size to normal.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: andrenym007 <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: Switching to Cypionate

>

> Date: Monday, April 12, 2010, 7:44 PM

> Does it raise lh and fsh immediately

> after taking shot? How about testosterone? How long does it

> work in your system?

>

>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > From: Nitti

> <bk_nitti@>

> > > > > > > Subject:

> Switching to

> > > > Cypionate

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Date: Friday, April 9, 2010,

> 7:05 PM

> > > > > > > When i was put on Androgel by

> my

> > > > > > > doctor my t level was 186. 

> After 4

> > > months

> > > > of 4

> > > > > pumps a

> > > > > > > day my level was 143.  My

> doctor

> > > increased

> > > > my

> > > > > dosage to

> > > > > > > 6 pumps and after a month my

> level was

> > > 546

> > > > but

> > > > > there is no

> > > > > > > physical difference.  He's

> saying i

> > > may not

> > > > feel

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > difference for a few more

> months.  I

> > > told

> > > > him

> > > > > enough of

> > > > > > > the gel i want to try the

> cypionate and

> > > he

> > > > > complied. 

> > > > > > > My problem is he prescribed

> 50 mg a

> > > week. 

> > > > Women

> > > > > take

> > > > > > > this dosage.  I'm 6'2 245

> pounds and

> > > > friends are

> > > > > saying

> > > > > > > anything less than 100mg a

> week will

> > > do

> > > > nothing

> > > > > for me. He

> > > > > > > also prescribed a 1ml 27g

> syringe.  I

> > > think

> > > > i

> > > > > may need

> > > > > > > another doctor.  What do you

> guys

> > > think?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> ------------------------------------

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Phil AND ANYONE else, before I started trt my LH levels were fine then LH

dropped after TRT. Can you tell from this am I Primary or secondary and would

HCG HELP ME?

From: philip georgian

Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 9:57 AM

Subject: Re: Switching to Cypionate

It works very fast it's your testis that are making Testosterone when you do HCG

but it's not upping your LH and FSH it looks to the body like it's Lh and makes

your testis go to work. Yet if it's been some time that you were on TRT and they

were shut down and got smaller. It can take a few weeks to get them going full

time. Even if they don't work good they will make your base levels again. Here

is a copy of a post to me by Dr. to help me get my Dr. to let me use HCG. I

started at 500 IU's 3x's a week did 15 shots then did labs my Total T went from

600 to 1200 this is how I found out I am Secondary and that my Pituitary dose

not work right.

====================================================

He probably feels that since you suffer primary hypogonadism (I am guessing)

there is no use in adding HCG to your protocol. There are several reasons why

this is not so. First, you have not lost all Leydig cells, so any HCG you take

will stimulate those who still function to produce endogenous testosterone.

This will support testicular size. We should not ignore this aesthetic

consideration.

Next, if he reads my work, he will learn that HPTA-suppressed (as all TRT

patients are to some extent) also suffer decreased pregenenolone levels, which

is the first step after CHOL in all three hormonal pathways which begin with

CHOL. HCG increases pregnenolone production, and therefore restores a more

natural balance of our hormones.

Next, nearly all TRT patients who add in HCG to their regimens report an

increased sense of well-being and also libido. These are genuine quality of life

issues.

Finally, I just instinctively do not want all those LH receptors (including

those we have yet to discover and appreciate) unstimulated.

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And this link supports what he feels about the use of HCG in men.

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/90/5/2595

At the time I started on HCG I was on TRT 23 yrs and my testis were the size of

small grapes. They started working again after all this time and in a few months

they came back up in size to normal.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: andrenym007 <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: Switching to Cypionate

>

> Date: Monday, April 12, 2010, 7:44 PM

> Does it raise lh and fsh immediately

> after taking shot? How about testosterone? How long does it

> work in your system?

>

>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > From: Nitti

> <bk_nitti@>

> > > > > > > Subject:

> Switching to

> > > > Cypionate

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Date: Friday, April 9, 2010,

> 7:05 PM

> > > > > > > When i was put on Androgel by

> my

> > > > > > > doctor my t level was 186.

> After 4

> > > months

> > > > of 4

> > > > > pumps a

> > > > > > > day my level was 143. My

> doctor

> > > increased

> > > > my

> > > > > dosage to

> > > > > > > 6 pumps and after a month my

> level was

> > > 546

> > > > but

> > > > > there is no

> > > > > > > physical difference. He's

> saying i

> > > may not

> > > > feel

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > difference for a few more

> months. I

> > > told

> > > > him

> > > > > enough of

> > > > > > > the gel i want to try the

> cypionate and

> > > he

> > > > > complied.

> > > > > > > My problem is he prescribed

> 50 mg a

> > > week.

> > > > Women

> > > > > take

> > > > > > > this dosage. I'm 6'2 245

> pounds and

> > > > friends are

> > > > > saying

> > > > > > > anything less than 100mg a

> week will

> > > do

> > > > nothing

> > > > > for me. He

> > > > > > > also prescribed a 1ml 27g

> syringe. I

> > > think

> > > > i

> > > > > may need

> > > > > > > another doctor. What do you

> guys

> > > think?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> ------------------------------------

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Here is how you tell if your Testosterone tests low with a low level of LH and

FSH and good levels of Estradiol then this means your Pituitary is not sending

the LH and FSH messages to your Testis to tell them to make Testosterone. A lot

of Dr.'s miss this. So if you were put on TRT and have been on it for some

time. If you added in HCG and your Total T was say 500 and you do 500 IU's of

HCG 3x's a week and after the 15 shot you do labs again if your Total T went up

more then 200 Points mine doubled you need to have your Pituitary looked at.

Now lets say your Total T was low and your LH and FSH were high or above mid

range with good levels of Estradiol 20 pg/ml. This means your Testis are being

told to make more Testosterone and they can't this is why LH and FSH are on the

higher side. If this is the case you need to be checked our by a Uro for testis

cancer or other things that stop them from working like an infection.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > From: andrenym007 <no_reply >

> > Subject: Re: Switching to Cypionate

> >

> > Date: Monday, April 12, 2010, 7:44 PM

> > Does it raise lh and fsh immediately

> > after taking shot? How about testosterone? How long

> does it

> > work in your system?

> >

> >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > From: Nitti

> > <bk_nitti@>

> > > > > > > > Subject:

> > Switching to

> > > > > Cypionate

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Date: Friday, April 9,

> 2010,

> > 7:05 PM

> > > > > > > > When i was put on

> Androgel by

> > my

> > > > > > > > doctor my t level was

> 186.

> > After 4

> > > > months

> > > > > of 4

> > > > > > pumps a

> > > > > > > > day my level was

> 143.  My

> > doctor

> > > > increased

> > > > > my

> > > > > > dosage to

> > > > > > > > 6 pumps and after a

> month my

> > level was

> > > > 546

> > > > > but

> > > > > > there is no

> > > > > > > > physical

> difference.  He's

> > saying i

> > > > may not

> > > > > feel

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > difference for a few

> more

> > months.  I

> > > > told

> > > > > him

> > > > > > enough of

> > > > > > > > the gel i want to try

> the

> > cypionate and

> > > > he

> > > > > > complied.

> > > > > > > > My problem is he

> prescribed

> > 50 mg a

> > > > week.

> > > > > Women

> > > > > > take

> > > > > > > > this dosage.  I'm

> 6'2 245

> > pounds and

> > > > > friends are

> > > > > > saying

> > > > > > > > anything less than 100mg

> a

> > week will

> > > > do

> > > > > nothing

> > > > > > for me. He

> > > > > > > > also prescribed a 1ml

> 27g

> > syringe.  I

> > > > think

> > > > > i

> > > > > > may need

> > > > > > > > another doctor. 

> What do you

> > guys

> > > > think?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >