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Welcome, ! This can be a long, difficult road. As you say, you

probably have been dealing with this since you were a baby! You are

on the right track. When in doubt, read some Weston Price writings -

check out www.wapf.org or read Mercola's site www.mercola.com you

will find much reassurance in the long researched information! It

sounds like you are doing way too much at once - take it more slowly;

your body has been through a lot over the years and it will take time

to heal. Have confidence you are doing right by your body!

Peace,

Zoë

On May 2, 2007, at 7:30 PM, jayppers wrote:

> They

> say that the coconut oil and cod liver oil is what is causing all of

> my problems.

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Hi ! I too was on Accutane either 2 or 3 times while a teenager.

Nothing else would work against my acne. Do you think Accutane could

have helped the Candida get to the point where it is now?

[Guest guest]

The URL for the Weston A. Price Foundation is www.westonaprice.org.

Bee

>

> Welcome, ! This can be a long, difficult road. As you say, you

> probably have been dealing with this since you were a baby! You are

> on the right track. When in doubt, read some Weston Price writings -

> check out www.wapf.org or read Mercola's site www.mercola.com you

> will find much reassurance in the long researched information!

[Guest guest]

You know, I just do not know; However, I do know that Accutane is an

incredibly powerful synthetic vitamin A derivative. I often consider

myself a victim of high dose vitamin A toxicity. My life has changed

much since being on that medication, which is why I sometimes doubt in

my mind that candida is at play here, and I am not just experiencing

the hormonal damage done by this medication. My dry eye condition I

personally believe is directly related to use of Accutane. I also

think it plays a huge role in my depression and anxiety, as it

directly impacts a person's hormones, which are very closely tied to

such things.

All in all, I wish I never went on that medication and I suspect that

it plays in role in creating a lot of imbalance in the body that could

certainly contribute to candida overgrowth.

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> Hi ! I too was on Accutane either 2 or 3 times while a teenager.

> Nothing else would work against my acne. Do you think Accutane could

> have helped the Candida get to the point where it is now?

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Hi! It's been about a year and a half for my daughter (3 yrs.) too and it can be very stressful at times. Isabelle wasn't able to walk at all for several months in the beginning and I was pregnant with my youngest. My stepfather died of liver and pancreatic cancer the same week of her onset which was very difficult in the midst of him dying. Both grandparents had also passed away only four months apart that December. My poor mother, it was probably one of the worst times in my life. Second only to when my two sisters died from car accidents in my teens (drunk drivers). Anyway, it took us 4 months to finally get the diagnosis and begin medication but we were with a very "old school doctor" at town and wish he had been more aggressive than he was. Her leg length difference became very bad and she is still in physical therapy now, a year and a half later, to correct his

poor judgement on treatment. We found another rhuemy this past Christmas, that was actually recommended to me by someone here in this group (Liz ), and this new doctor is wonderful. Liz really helped me tremendously w/ the emotional stress this past fall before the new doctor saw Isabelle. I had a newborn to carry, and my daughter with JIA to carry (had flare and wasn't able to walk for four months again). It has spread from one knee to the other knee and both ankles and she started MTX in May and is improving. She has one lingering cell in her left eye but nothing more (knock on wood). I feel like she is finally in good hands medically speaking, and that has reduced much of my stress. But there is always that sense of aloneness that I often feel. None of my friends truly understand and I get tired of the comments at times. I feel optimistic now but this is such a roller

coaster ride and it's as if we are always waiting for the bad to happen again. I am trying as much as I can to just surrender and know that I am doing all we can and that I have no real control. I think that not having any control is what feels more stressful than anything at times. It would be so much easier if it was our own arthritis we were dealing with, but disease is not suppose to strike our children ---- that's where JIA seems to be so cruel. Welcome, Hadley (n, 15 psoriosis, Katharine, 13, Isabelle, 3 yrs. JIA and seizures, 10 mos.) moosmom2000 <lickrish34@...> wrote: My daughter was diagnosed with JRA 2 years ago. I am just looking foranother adult who understands my stress. Any advice, friendly wordsor funny stories would be gladly appreciated.S~

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Hello and welcome to this list!! I have found it invaluable over the years. My daughter Caroline, now 5 1/2 was diagnosed when she was 18 months old. She also has Uveitis (both eys + cataract in right).

We have tried virtually EVERY drug therapy out there and still have not found her perfect cocktail. Caroline can't take any NSAID's so that has always thrown a monkey wrench into her treatment plan, but we keep trudging along. She's had joint injections two times and kenalog (steriod) injections into her eyes two times. She is currently on Methotrexate, Prednisone, Cyclosporine, Pred Forte (eye drops), and Remicade. She takes folic acid, zantac, and zyrtek to help with side effects. She also takes a low dose anti-biotic (Ceftin) daily to help with the onslaught of infections she gets.

The JIA road can be a long and sometimes lonely one. I rely on my friends here and one's from our local chapter to help me get through. I hope you find this list just as valuable

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Welcome! My son was diagnosed 6 years ago - this list has been unbelievably supportive, helpful, informative and a source of laughter, friendship and understanding that I will forever be grateful for. The folks here "get it" like no one else does. Ask any questions you may have, someone here will have some kind of input or way to relate.

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>Thanks for the warm welcome... I am so use to handling the stress by

myself that I feel funny talking/complaining about things now...

I know that others are probably worse off than myself or a (my

daughter). I am not sure what to expect. I pretty much do whatever

they tell me at Stanford as far as treatment and medication goes.

I feel funny just throwing my story out there.

thanks for listening

> Welcome!? My son was diagnosed 6 years ago - this list has been

unbelievably supportive, helpful, informative and a source of

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questions you may have, someone here will have some kind of input or

way to relate.?

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Welcome to the forum, This is a wonderful place for support, questions to be answered, venting when things are bad, and celebrating when things are good. There are many people here who understand your stress-be as a parent, or as the one who has JRA. e, mom to "joe" 20 poly + lupus moosmom2000 <lickrish34@...> wrote: My daughter was diagnosed with JRA 2 years ago. I am just looking foranother adult who understands my stress. Any

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We were very new to JRA when I found the list - and I spent a couple of weeks just reading the posts (and crying a lot) before I wrote my first post with 's story. Share as much or as little as you like - once you get to know everyone & and read more of the thoughts and ideas that are generated here, you will feel more comfortable. I went through a long period where things going on and work and with my life kept me from posting & just recently have "come out of hiding" as one friend here put it - and though there are a lot of new people who joined during my hiatus - I still feel like part of the "family" here - with time I am sure you will feel more comfortable with us. I hope that your daughter is doing well with her current treatment.

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Anne,

Although many things on your list are certainly consistent with hypoT,

some big ones are missing. Are you cold? Joint pain?

If not, this could be something other than hypoT. If you are cold and

have sore joints, your dosage might simply be low. What are your latest

blood tests with reference ranges?

Chuck

You wrote:

>

> ... I have to have a rest every-day.

> I don't sleep through the night (Ihave to sleep sitting up btw)

> I never wake up feeling refreshed just tired.

> I am in bed by 9pm every night usually and awake at 6am

> Night sweats (have started taking black cohosh 3 months ago and sweat

> seem to be reducing)

> I usually have a dull headache

> My tongue is sore and red patches on and off

> I feel like I am on the outside looking in

> I have feelings of doom and depression

> I an anxious

> I am short tempered

> I cannot think spontaneously

> I feel stressed most of the time

> My skin has recently gone really dry and itchy

> My periods are very eratic some times 3 weeks sometime 3 months, just

> had hormone tests but not pre-menopausal.

>

> Just to recap

>

> I take 100mg thyroxine daily

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Hi -- and welcome to our forum where I hope you will get the help and support you need. Can I ask, when you registered to join this forum, did you use the option to receive 'Individual Emails'? If so, and you are finding the amount of messages totally overwhelming, then on the Home Page of this forum website, look at the top of the broad green bar towards the left and you will see "Edit Membership". Click on that, and you will be able to use the option to receive 'Daily Digests' where you get up to 25 messages in one Email, or you can opt to receive no Emails and write and read direct from the website. This forum has some very heavy traffic. You will soon get used to it, and anytime you need questions answering, just shout, and somebody will be along to help you.

Many of us have no understanding of what this disease entails, it all sounds to be extremely complicated but I can promise you, the more you read, the more you will understand - I promise you this.

You do seem to be getting the hang of things though, because you are absolutely right when you say that through reading the threads, you DO need to get your full thyroid function tests (these include TSH, Free T4, Free T3 and also, if this has not been done, get tested to see whether you have antibodies to your thyroid. If this test is positive, this is the cause of your hypothyroidism and it is called 'Hashimoto's disease'. The antibodies see your thyroid tissue as public enemy number one and set about its destruction. The largest majority of sufferers of hypothyroidism do have antibodies, so you would be in good company.

If you are feeling so bad, it might be that you have a conversion problem. The L-thyroxine you are taking is actually an inactive hormone. It needs to convert to the active hormone T3. T3 is the hormone that makes your body function and therefore it needs to get into every cell in your body, including your brain. This is why you should definitely get your Free T4 and Free T3 tested. If the hospital laboratory refuse to test FT3, you can get this done privately through NPTech Services (Look in our FILES and scroll down until you see 'NPTech Services' and you can see the tests they do and the prices they charge. I think this test costs £17. Anyway, all of the test results need to be posted here, but don't forget the reference range for each individual test. Like you say, you also need to get your Ferritin (stored iron) tested. This has nothing to do with your pernicious anaemia, though it might be a cause of low ferritin. Your B12 might need supplementing and also zinc.

Do you take 200 mcgs Selenium daily with food. This is essential to help in the conversion of T4 to T3. Your health food store would stock this. Also, you should take at least 1000 mgs Vitamin C and possibly zinc and magnesium, but see what your test results show.

There ARE other conditions that will stop the L-thyroxine from being absorbed. Go to our website www.tpa-uk.org.uk and click on 'Hypothyroidism' and on the drop down Menu, click on 'Associated Conditions' and one by one, read about their connection to thyroid disease. Again, any questions just shout.

Have you asked your GP for a referral to a thyroid specialist. If not, you should do this. Your GP is not qualified in this specialty. Also, when was the last dose increase. 100 mcgs may not be the dose your body requires.

I am delighted to hear you are now free of cancer. You have obviously had a lot of stress, and this may have added to your problem. Read specifically about the thyroid/adrenal connection, and see whether you think you might fit that particularly category. I am sure you will benefit from this forum - there is light at the end of the tunnel, even though it all seems very dark for you at the moment. Just stick with us, and learn a little more every day....and you are NOT a hypochondriac,just somebody who is being forced to look after their health and trying to do what you can to find how you can do this.

Luv - Sheila

I have to have a rest every-day.I don't sleep through the night (Ihave to sleep sitting up btw)I never wake up feeling refreshed just tired. I am in bed by 9pm every night usually and awake at 6amNight sweats (have started taking black cohosh 3 months ago and sweat seem to be reducing)I usually have a dull headacheMy tongue is sore and red patches on and offI feel like I am on the outside looking inI have feelings of doom and depressionI an anxiousI am short temperedI cannot think spontaneouslyI feel stressed most of the timeMy skin has recently gone really dry and itchyMy periods are very eratic some times 3 weeks sometime 3 months, just had hormone tests but not pre-menopausal.Just to recapI take 100mg thyroxine daily1 cobalin injection every 4 weeks2x20mg rebaprazol tablets dailyI feel like a hypo-condriac.Reading the threads I think I need to get some of my results for blood tests that I have had thyroid / b12 / ferratin / ironThanks for looking and any help

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[Guest guest]

Hi Anne, have you thought about your adrenals, info on the TPA

website? 100mg of thyroxine doesn't sound like alot, most people's

final dose seems to be more, it is possible you are not on the

correct dose? You should be dosed until you feel better, not until

your blood results look better! Your sore tongue could be due to a

deficiency from what I can remember, B12? Don't quote me on that. You

could still be slightly hypo, it would cause all of the symptoms

below bar the tongue thing I think, although hypothyroidism is evil

and can effect absolutely everything if you're unlucky. Another thing

that has just occured to me is have you thought of possible

allergies/intolerances? The headaches, low energy and skin problems

could be caused by a intolerance/allergy? I would see about

increasing dose in case you are undermedicated, how long have you

been on 100mg? For me, the first thing that went was the coldest and

aches and pains so saying you not hypo still because you haven't got

aches and pains and coldest still could be a mistake, in my

experience. I am still left with the constant exhaustion and most

other symptoms but at least I am not in pain anymore! Hope this helps

you, Ruth x

>

> You wrote:

> >

> > ... I have to have a rest every-day.

> > I don't sleep through the night (Ihave to sleep sitting up btw)

> > I never wake up feeling refreshed just tired.

> > I am in bed by 9pm every night usually and awake at 6am

> > Night sweats (have started taking black cohosh 3 months ago and

sweat

> > seem to be reducing)

> > I usually have a dull headache

> > My tongue is sore and red patches on and off

> > I feel like I am on the outside looking in

> > I have feelings of doom and depression

> > I an anxious

> > I am short tempered

> > I cannot think spontaneously

> > I feel stressed most of the time

> > My skin has recently gone really dry and itchy

> > My periods are very eratic some times 3 weeks sometime 3 months,

just

> > had hormone tests but not pre-menopausal.

> >

> > Just to recap

> >

> > I take 100mg thyroxine daily

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Bob,

First off anytime we go on antibiotics its good to take a probiotic afterwards.

That's my first suggestion. Just once daily before bed would be good in my

opinion.

Next, you mentioned you're acidic. I'd suggest going on a formula to balance out

your pH. Many have found this is best using what's called an enteric coated

capsule - to help bypass the environment on the way down. A formula with a

mixture of protease, cellulase, amylase and a mineral and herbal blend would be

sufficient for this. Enzymedica makes a product called pH Basic for this.

I'm not sure if you wanted to go the natural supplement route or what but..

Also, if you're wanting to take something for yeast management, I would

recommend a natural way, maybe try a high cellulase formula three times daily in

between meals for 2 weeks. Candidase by Enzymedica has helped many people with

this.

I hope this helps! Never fun not feeling like ourselves..

Talyna

Enzymedica Education Dept.

www.enzymedica.com

>

> Having been affected by a quinolone antibiotic I think I have major yeast

problems.

> Burning throat

> Tongue that furs up with red spots on it.

> Lumps at the rear of my tongue

> Stinging eyes every time i eat.

> I have checked my urine and saliva and I am in the mildly acidic zone.

>

> Can anyone help me with the first steps.

> I am loath to take antifungals having had a bad reaction to the ofloxacin.

> Bob

>

[Guest guest]

I was told that intake of enzymes reduce the ability of pancreas to produce its

own enzymes. What do you think about that?

Is that mean we should take it for life if we don`t have own enzymes to difest

carbs?

I also red that probiotics should be taken for life if person have problems like

candida. What about our own ability to grow good bacteria agter treatment?

Do you recommend probiotics with FOS or without that?

> >

> > Having been affected by a quinolone antibiotic I think I have major yeast

problems.

> > Burning throat

> > Tongue that furs up with red spots on it.

> > Lumps at the rear of my tongue

> > Stinging eyes every time i eat.

> > I have checked my urine and saliva and I am in the mildly acidic zone.

> >

> > Can anyone help me with the first steps.

> > I am loath to take antifungals having had a bad reaction to the ofloxacin.

> > Bob

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I don't believe this is true. According to Dr Wong, as we age we cannot

produce as many enzymes as when we were young i.e. The body 'ekes them out'

so as to keep enough to use until we die. To supplement with enzymes can

only be of help. Dee

-- Re: New to the forum

I was told that intake of enzymes reduce the ability of pancreas to produce

its own enzymes. What do you think about that?

Is that mean we should take it for life if we don`t have own enzymes to

difest carbs?

I also red that probiotics should be taken for life if person have problems

like candida. What about our own ability to grow good bacteria agter

treatment?

Do you recommend probiotics with FOS or without that?

[Guest guest]

I agree with Dee, and I'd like to add that probiotics don't have to be taken at

all if historically-used prebiotic intake, preferably inulin over FOS is used in

the diet to maintain the correct bowel ecology. In other words the only

probiotic deficiency is the one you create by not feeding you own culture.

all good,

Duncan

>

> I don't believe this is true. According to Dr Wong, as we age we cannot

> produce as many enzymes as when we were young i.e. The body 'ekes them out'

> so as to keep enough to use until we die. To supplement with enzymes can

> only be of help. Dee

>

> -- Re: New to the forum

>

> I was told that intake of enzymes reduce the ability of pancreas to produce

> its own enzymes. What do you think about that?

> Is that mean we should take it for life if we don`t have own enzymes to

> difest carbs?

> I also red that probiotics should be taken for life if person have problems

> like candida. What about our own ability to grow good bacteria agter

> treatment?

> Do you recommend probiotics with FOS or without that?

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Just found out this week that I am Hypogonadal!! My T level is 162 and my doctor

has just started me on Androgel 5mg. Wondering if anyone on here has used

Androgel and if it helped any. I just had my first dose today and I know it will

not help over-night, but wondering on average how long it takes to feel any

effects. Any feedback would help. By the way I just turned 39 in March.

[Guest guest]

Hi C_harrelll and Welcome,

Yes your on a low dose to start with but did your Dr. check you out to find out

why your low before giving you this gel. It is dam hard to figure out why one

is low when they go on TRT.

In some men if you find out why your low and fix it your levels can come back up

but your dam low to start with. Still you should know if your Primary meaning

your testis don't work or your Secondary meaning your Pituitary is not working.

Here is a copy from a file I made about starting on gels.

===================================================

Starting on Androgel or Testim.

Yes this happens a lot you start on a low starting dose 5 grams when your brain

sees the testosterone in your blood even just a little it slows down even stops

sending the LH and FSH message to your testis to make the Testosterone you were

making. So lets say your labs for Total T were 350 you add this dose of gel

your brain sees this and you lose the base level you had before the gel.

Now lets say you need more then 5 grams most do so now all your left with is

what the gel is doing so lets say it's doing 200 so you lost 150.

The reason you feel good is your levels go up that 200 the gel is doing in the

first 2 weeks so your levels go up to 550 in theory. The brain sees this and

you fall back.

Why can this happen it might be how your putting on the gel with Androgel you

need to spread it over your upper arms and shoulders and down your back as far

as you can reach this is half of your dose then do the other side. Just spread

it over the area but don't rub it in.

The other thing is it's not getting through your skin good so you need more. If

you have a thyroid problem your skin will become thicker and gels and creams

don't get through the skin and you need to switch to shots.

I tell men when they go on Gels to retest in 2 weeks because you can end up

feeling worse. Most men just need more gel. Dr.'s that tell men to go on 5

grams of gel and come back in 8 to 12 weeks for labs don't know much about the

use of gels. Dr.'s that treat a lot of men for low T on gels see this happen

and test them again in 2 weeks.

When you go to do labs get up and shower that morning go do your labs and then

put in the gel after your blood test so you don’t spike up your labs. If you

can’t do labs in the morning shower put on the gel but don’t get any gel on

the spot they take the blood from. Do your labs about 6 hrs later.

Call your Dr. and tell him this and that your not feeling good you were but fell

back.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: c_harrell1971 <c_harrell1971@...>

> Subject: New to the forum

>

> Date: Wednesday, May 19, 2010, 1:59 PM

> Just found out this week that I am

> Hypogonadal!! My T level is 162 and my doctor has just

> started me on Androgel 5mg. Wondering if anyone on here has

> used Androgel and if it helped any. I just had my first dose

> today and I know it will not help over-night, but wondering

> on average how long it takes to feel any effects. Any

> feedback would help. By the way I just turned 39 in March.

>

>

>

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>

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[Guest guest]

Hi , read all the information we have in our FILES SECTION

especially under the FOLDER entitled 'Adrenals'. No amount of thyroid support

or thyroid hormone replacement can get into the cells to do the job it is

supposed to if you have any of the associated conditions that go along with

those suffering the symptoms of hypothyroidism. These are low adrenal reserve,

systemic candidiasis, mercury poisoning caused through amalgam fillings, low

ferritin, vitamin B12, vitamin D3, magnesium, folate, copper and zinc. Your GP

will test these last 7 - though may need to refer you to an endocrinologist to get

the zinc and Copper done - though they could do these themselves. They just

need more blood.

Until you have found the cause of the symptoms you mention below

you should stop your Nutri Thyroid and I if it was me, I would increase your 2

tablets of Nutri Adrenal Extra to another tablet and keep increasing by another

tablet every 7 to 10 days. Take these split between breakfast and lunch but

never take after 1.00p.m. and always take with food. You can take up to 6

tablets daily, but if you are still suffering symptoms, you may need a course

of hydrocortisone. Can you let us know what the results were of your 24 hour

salivary adrenal profile, or did Dr P give you a diagnosis because of the

symptoms you presented with? I think you have probably started on your Nutri

Thyroid far too quickly, considering you only saw Dr P a month ago, and he

usually recommends you are on NAE for about 6 weeks before going on to Nutri Thyroid.

Are you taking 200mcgs Selenium daily with food. Selenium helps

with the conversion of the mainly inactive thyroxine to the active thyroid

hormone triiodothyronine (T3). You should also take high doses of vitamin C to

help your adrenals and thyroid i.e. 4/5000mgs daily.

Regarding y our shortness of breath, read the information here

and see if this fits your situation http://www.drlowe.com/jcl/comentry/breathingproblems.htm

You might benefit from a course of Melatonin 3mgs taken half an

hour before you go to bed. You can buy Melatonin from Biovea and read the

information they give about Melatonin http://www.biovea.net/(S(3qd1eu55tpar3z4523qq2zan))/product_detail.aspx?PID=1135 & OS=204

.. When one of our glands is not producing sufficient hormone, often other

glands are also not producing the hormones they should be in sufficient

quantities. These we can look at in due course, but read as much as you can and

especially read the information on 'Associated Conditions' in our web site.

Click on 'Hypothyroidism' and you will find 'Associated Conditions' in the drop

down Menu.

Welcome to our forum and I hope you get all the help and support

you need.

Luv - Sheila

I am writing because I saw Dr peatfeild about a month ago and have subsequently

been taking nutri adrenal supplements and kelp and vitc abd CQ 10. At the

begining of this i experienced some night leg cramps and night waking and

nightmares but this settled down.

Since I have added in the thyroid supplement I am experiencing shortness of

breath, night waking, nightmares, inability to go back to sleep, racing heart,

panic attacks, bloated stomach and gas, and feelings of insecurity.

Does anyone have experience of this? Been advised by Sheila to stop the thyroid

supplement and do tests for vitamin difficiency.

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Hi , It's so long ago that I changed from thyroxine to Armour that I had to think for a while to remember. I started the Armour only a few days after starting adrenal support. I recall having vivid dreams for a few days- not nightmares, but in bright colour. When hypo it is not unsusual to appear not to dream ( we have to dream or we go mad), so after the change in treatment so the thyroid is beginning to be supplemented properly a bout of vivid dreams is the body's way of clearing backlog. A few months ago I was reducing adrenal support- maybe bit too quick and had a horrible nightmare that still haunts me. That I blame squarely on too low adrenal support. So I can only conclude you just weren't quite ready for it yet. do you have any blood tests to share that may help pinpoint the problem? > thyroid treatment > From: fielddot@...> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 09:40:55 +0000> Subject: Re: new to the forum> > > > hello sarah and welcome > > i think nightmares/bad dreams/waking can be caused by too much adrenaline ...maybe the adrenal supplement doesn't agree with you ...how many do you take? do you have much caffeine? try taking 1gm of vit c as you go to bed...i have found that helpful for staying more asleep and it seems to make sense because the adrenals are the biggest user of vit c.> > trish > > > >> > > > > > Hello,> > > > I am writing because I saw Dr peatfeild about a month ago and have subsequently been taking nutri adrenal supplements and kelp and vitc abd CQ 10. At the begining of this i experienced some night leg cramps and night waking and nightmares but this settled down.> > > > Since I have added in the thyroid supplement I am experiencing shortness of breath, night waking, nightmares, inability to go back to sleep, racing heart, panic attacks, bloated stomach and gas, and feelings of insecurity.> > > > Does anyone have experience of this? Been advised by Sheila to stop the thyroid supplement and do tests for vitamin difficiency.> > > > > > ------------------------------------> > TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical practitioner before changing medication.> >