Thick Blood

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I have been looking at many boards to find out information for my aunt. She

had many of the CFIDS symptoms. She was sent to a cardiologist and was told

that she would need an heart cath and probably a heart bypass. It turned out

that her arteries were clear. However, she was diagnoised with thick blood

caused by a benign form of bone cancer. This was later proven to be

incorrect. It turns out she had too much blood. No one knows what caused the

excess production of blood. She gave a pint of blood at the blood bank. Now

she feels great and has had no more symptoms. She will probably have to give

blood every so often to keep the volumn under control.

I remember about 3 years ago that the Dallas Morning News did an article

about a group of doctors doing mitrocondrial research. If anyone is

interested, I believe they were at or near Parkland Hospital, Dallas Texas.

It was interesting that many of the people that were in the article as having

a problem had fatigue problems during high school gym class. But the people

were treated as lazy.

LIZ

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Thank you for the sites to look up iron disorders. My aunt had the blood

drawn at a donation center, because they were the only one that did that type

of procedure. I do not believe that it was put in the donation pipeline. It

has been a month since she had the unit of blood drawn. She is back to

taking care of her horses, cattle and psychotic chickens. I will tell you

that it broke my heart when I discovered that the LITTLE RED HEN was a loner,

a sociopath and would attack from the rear. My aunt's chickens came from a

university expermental station. We decided that they are using genetic

enginering on them and we are going to send killer chickens after Saddam.

Not only are they mean, they havn't laid any eggs. Anyway, I am happy to say

that she is doing great

My cousin in California has a diagnosis of CFIDS is having a serious problem

with her lungs. She is now on oxygen full time. Are there anyother CFIDS

Patients on oxygen? A friend here in Atlanta is also having very serious

lung and breathing problems. She is the most seriously ill CFIDS patient I

have seen. From year to year, we don't expect her to be here. Her doctor

has to go with her when she has blood drawn for tests. She went into cardiac

arrest in the lab.

And a last question. Is anyone on IV Gamma Globulin? If so, do you have

problems getting the GG? Are you having problems with the insurance company?

liz

[Guest guest]

If your blood is too thin, your blood would

not clot quickly and you would bleed longer

if you cut yourself. You would also tend to

have more hemorrhaging under the skin causing

easy bruising or bleeding elsewhere inside the body.

> Jim--thanks for the explanation about carbon monoxide and fermentation.

> High blood pressure involves this thickened blood, doesn't it? My eyes

> start to bug out when people start talking about high blood pressure

> being a family genetic problem.

> I've noticed that the garlic I've been giving my diabetic might be

> making her blood thinner. I wonder if a person can make his blood too

> thin and what that would do?

> J.

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Jim--thanks for the explanation about carbon monoxide and fermentation.

High blood pressure involves this thickened blood, doesn't it? My eyes

start to bug out when people start talking about high blood pressure

being a family genetic problem.

I've noticed that the garlic I've been giving my diabetic might be

making her blood thinner. I wonder if a person can make his blood too

thin and what that would do?

J.

[Guest guest]

The term blood thinner should really refer to blood

viscosity(hematocrit),how thick it is.

Anticoagulation is what we are talking about. These substances effect parts

of the clotting cascade. Garlic for example is thought to effect platelet

aggregation (clumping together) and increase fibrinolysis(clot

dissolving/splitting)

http://www.mistral.co.uk/garlic/metaanal.htm

To answer your question..... If you take too much of an anti-coagulant, you

run the risk of hemmorage and easy bruising, like said.

P.M.

Re: Thick Blood

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> Jim--thanks for the explanation about carbon monoxide and fermentation.

> High blood pressure involves this thickened blood, doesn't it? My eyes

> start to bug out when people start talking about high blood pressure

> being a family genetic problem.

> I've noticed that the garlic I've been giving my diabetic might be

> making her blood thinner. I wonder if a person can make his blood too

> thin and what that would do?

> J.

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[Guest guest]

First caveat, I am not a doctor, but have read/studied this when I myself was

sent to a hematologist when my labs showed the condition.

Red Blood Cells (RBC) need the following to be synthesized: iron, B12, folate,

optimal body temp (close to 98.6, meaning thyroid has to be working), and the

hormone erythropoietin. If anything is lacking, you cannot get erythrocytosis

(mild elevation) or polycythemia vera (true disease state).

Testosterone, hydrocortisone, and thyroid are all known to affect the making of

RBC. Usually, any one of these components in excess can cause erythrocytosis.

You lower it, the thick blood goes down.

One of ' docs said to stop the iron. But iron doesn't cause thick blood.

Every single one of you had iron in your blood before you started the

testosterone, but for some, it only became thick after you started TRT. So the

obvious culprit is the TRT, not the iron.

Hereditary hemochromatosis (HH) is a genetic, inherited disease where the body

loads too much iron. You do not " get " this from TRT. However, too much iron in

your blood can damage your organs, so periodic bloodletting is standard practice

for anyone with HH.

If you do NOT have HH and you donate blood all the time (more than twice a

year), you risk depleting your iron stores (ferritin) in an attempt to control

your thick blood. This leads to other problems like anemia and fatigue and will

lower your thyroid function.

So the wise thing to do is control the thick blood by getting TRT, cortisol, and

thyroid levels optimal (not too high, not too low), not to donate blood all the

time. Easier said than done.

I hope this makes it a little clearer for everyone.

Barb

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Thanks for the great post Barb!

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Barb

Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 2:17 PM

Subject: Thick Blood

First caveat, I am not a doctor, but have read/studied this when I myself

was sent to a hematologist when my labs showed the condition.

Red Blood Cells (RBC) need the following to be synthesized: iron, B12,

folate, optimal body temp (close to 98.6, meaning thyroid has to be

working), and the hormone erythropoietin. If anything is lacking, you cannot

get erythrocytosis (mild elevation) or polycythemia vera (true disease

state).

Testosterone, hydrocortisone, and thyroid are all known to affect the making

of RBC. Usually, any one of these components in excess can cause

erythrocytosis. You lower it, the thick blood goes down.

One of ' docs said to stop the iron. But iron doesn't cause thick

blood. Every single one of you had iron in your blood before you started the

testosterone, but for some, it only became thick after you started TRT. So

the obvious culprit is the TRT, not the iron.

Hereditary hemochromatosis (HH) is a genetic, inherited disease where the

body loads too much iron. You do not " get " this from TRT. However, too much

iron in your blood can damage your organs, so periodic bloodletting is

standard practice for anyone with HH.

If you do NOT have HH and you donate blood all the time (more than twice a

year), you risk depleting your iron stores (ferritin) in an attempt to

control your thick blood. This leads to other problems like anemia and

fatigue and will lower your thyroid function.

So the wise thing to do is control the thick blood by getting TRT, cortisol,

and thyroid levels optimal (not too high, not too low), not to donate blood

all the time. Easier said than done.

I hope this makes it a little clearer for everyone.

Barb