Guest guest Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 If your drug care plain will pay for Androgel try this first I feel it's the best forum of TRT if it works. As for striant forget about it nice house no one home. Read this about starting on gels. ================================================== Starting on Androgel or Testim. Yes this happens a lot you start on a low starting dose 5 grams when your brain sees the testosterone in your blood even just a little it slows down even stops sending the LH and FSH message to your testis to make the Testosterone you were making. So lets say your labs for Total T were 350 you add this dose of gel your brain sees this and you lose the base level you had before the gel. Now lets say you need more then 5 grams most do so now all your left with is what the gel is doing so lets say it's doing 200 so you lost 150. The reason you feel good is your levels go up that 200 the gel is doing in the first 2 weeks so your levels go up to 550 in theory. The brain sees this and you fall back. Why can this happen it might be how your putting on the gel with Androgel you need to spread it over your upper arms and shoulders and down your back as far as you can reach this is half of your dose then do the other side. Just spread it over the area but don't rub it in. The other thing is it's not getting through your skin good so you need more. If you have a thyroid problem your skin will become thicker and gels and creams don't get through the skin and you need to switch to shots. I tell men when they go on Gels to retest in 2 weeks because you can end up feeling worse. Most men just need more gel. Dr.'s that tell men to go on 5 grams of gel and come back in 8 to 12 weeks for labs don't know much about the use of gels. Dr.'s that treat a lot of men for low T on gels see this happen and test them again in 2 weeks. When you go to do labs get up and shower that morning go do your labs and then put in the gel after your blood test so you don’t spike up your labs. If you can’t do labs in the morning shower put on the gel but don’t get any gel on the spot they take the blood from. Do your labs about 6 hrs later. Call your Dr. and tell him this and that your not feeling good you were but fell back. Co-Moderator Phil > From: <chrisjtaylor46@...> > Subject: Gel or injections? > > Date: Wednesday, October 27, 2010, 2:20 PM > Hi > > I am seeing a dr in a couple of weeks, and hoping to be > able to try TRT > > should i ask for gel or injections? does one cause > more estradiol problems than the other ? or is it personal > preference? I didn't realise how cheap the > injections were, yet they still are reluctant to give > them? they seem about 1/10 the price of the patches > > > is striant any good? i read on here that those who > could get it to stick seemed ok with it, but most had > problems, is that a fair summary? > > thanks > > chris > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 Thanks Phil one thing I am worried about is that my hair is thinning at the front. i know this happens to a lot of people but it's only come on in me in the last 6 months or so that i noticed. is it down to high dht? if so would would gel make it worse than shots? i have excess body hair (all over) all ready, that might be high dht right? is there anything herbal that could lower dht if it's caused by dht? I wouldn't touch that finasteride for it as i've heard bad things about it. thanks chris ps - i did read once that TRT can stabilise hair loss? I think i read that in the hertoghe handbook. > > > From: <chrisjtaylor46@...> > > Subject: Gel or injections? > > > > Date: Wednesday, October 27, 2010, 2:20 PM > > Hi > > > > I am seeing a dr in a couple of weeks, and hoping to be > > able to try TRT > > > > should i ask for gel or injections? does one cause > > more estradiol problems than the other ? or is it personal > > preference? I didn't realise how cheap the > > injections were, yet they still are reluctant to give > > them? they seem about 1/10 the price of the patches > > > > > > is striant any good? i read on here that those who > > could get it to stick seemed ok with it, but most had > > problems, is that a fair summary? > > > > thanks > > > > chris > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 Hair loss is a hard one I have this great link about DHT it is miss read by everyone. When I was on gels my DHT was over the top of the range. It did not make my hair thin out. Dr. told me it was better to have higher levels of DHT for libido. When I went on shots because the gels were not getting my T levels up high enough. I later found out if you have a low Thyroid it can make your skin thicker and gels can't get through. I do my shots every 3 days it's a pain in the A** putting on gels every morning to me was better. But when my levels started falling I had to switch. If you can try the gels first even Dr. dose this. http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/reform8.htm Co-Moderator Phil > From: <chrisjtaylor46@...> > Subject: Re: Gel or injections? > > Date: Wednesday, October 27, 2010, 3:23 PM > Thanks Phil > > one thing I am worried about is that my hair is thinning at > the front. i know this happens to a lot of people but it's > only come on in me in the last 6 months or so that i > noticed. > > is it down to high dht? if so would would gel make it > worse than shots?   i have excess body hair > (all over) all ready, that might be high dht right? > > is there anything herbal that could lower dht if it's > caused by dht? I wouldn't touch that finasteride for it as > i've heard bad things about it. > > thanks > > chris > > ps - i did read once that TRT can stabilise hair loss? I > think i read that in the hertoghe handbook. > > > > > > > > > From: <chrisjtaylor46@...> > > > Subject: Gel or injections? > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, October 27, 2010, 2:20 PM > > > Hi > > > > > > I am seeing a dr in a couple of weeks, and hoping > to be > > > able to try TRT > > > > > > should i ask for gel or injections? does one > cause > > > more estradiol problems than the other ? or is it > personal > > > preference? I didn't realise how cheap > the > > > injections were, yet they still are reluctant > to give > > > them? they seem about 1/10 the price of the > patches > > > > > > > > > is striant any good? i read on here that > those who > > > could get it to stick seemed ok with it, but most > had > > > problems, is that a fair summary? > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > chris > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 I started to use Walgreens Minoxidil and it worked, but caused another derm., issue for me. I forgot the term, but it caused my bald scalp to develop bumps with spotty patches of hair in my back. I immediately saw another Derm., who prescribed me meds. They have made the bumps go away but I do still have the spotty patches. I had to discontinue using Minoxidil in the back of my head. I use it on my receding hair line now. I wipe away the middle areas due to the spotty hair scare. I still shave my head, but now I see little hairs in my receding hair area and it's encouraging. I do not shave this part! Weird I know, but I fear, if I do, I may lose those hairs. I researched Nu Hair products. I use the pills and sometimes the serum. I see if Minoxidil and Nu Hair can be used together safety, but it's too early to detect. Much like enlarging your penis, this hair regrowth without surgery takes time, research, and some monies invested. Be careful with developing Derm., issues like I did and good luck. _________________________________________ > > > > > > > From: <chrisjtaylor46@> > > > > Subject: Gel or injections? > > > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, October 27, 2010, 2:20 PM > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > I am seeing a dr in a couple of weeks, and hoping > > to be > > > > able to try TRT > > > > > > > > should i ask for gel or injections? does one > > cause > > > > more estradiol problems than the other ? or is it > > personal > > > > preference? I didn't realise how cheap > > the > > > > injections were, yet they still are reluctant > > to give > > > > them? they seem about 1/10 the price of the > > patches > > > > > > > > > > > > is striant any good? i read on here that > > those who > > > > could get it to stick seemed ok with it, but most > > had > > > > problems, is that a fair summary? > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 Thanks Phil , that was an interesting article Just wondering, if i naturally made more DHT (as indicated by excess body hair) could that make my own T levels drop? or is that really not likely? from that article: " As I started to explain before, DHT is a strong androgen that will signal the pituitary to decrease the production of gonadotropins. The decrease in gonadotropins will then cause less testosterone to be produced which will in turn cause the estrogen levels to drop. " > > > > > > > From: <chrisjtaylor46@> > > > > Subject: Gel or injections? > > > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, October 27, 2010, 2:20 PM > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > I am seeing a dr in a couple of weeks, and hoping > > to be > > > > able to try TRT > > > > > > > > should i ask for gel or injections? does one > > cause > > > > more estradiol problems than the other ? or is it > > personal > > > > preference? I didn't realise how cheap > > the > > > > injections were, yet they still are reluctant > > to give > > > > them? they seem about 1/10 the price of the > > patches > > > > > > > > > > > > is striant any good? i read on here that > > those who > > > > could get it to stick seemed ok with it, but most > > had > > > > problems, is that a fair summary? > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 is minodoxil safe to use? it's not going to cause big issues is it like finasteride? i mean apart from skin irritation? thanks > > > > > > > > > From: <chrisjtaylor46@> > > > > > Subject: Gel or injections? > > > > > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, October 27, 2010, 2:20 PM > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > > > I am seeing a dr in a couple of weeks, and hoping > > > to be > > > > > able to try TRT > > > > > > > > > > should i ask for gel or injections? does one > > > cause > > > > > more estradiol problems than the other ? or is it > > > personal > > > > > preference? I didn't realise how cheap > > > the > > > > > injections were, yet they still are reluctant > > > to give > > > > > them? they seem about 1/10 the price of the > > > patches > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is striant any good? i read on here that > > > those who > > > > > could get it to stick seemed ok with it, but most > > > had > > > > > problems, is that a fair summary? > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 Still it's all about balance we need them all in balance. Co-Moderator Phil > From: <chrisjtaylor46@...> > Subject: Re: Gel or injections? > > Date: Wednesday, October 27, 2010, 4:39 PM > Thanks Phil , that was an interesting > article > > Just wondering, if i naturally made more DHT (as indicated > by excess body hair) could that make my own T levels > drop? or is that really not likely? > > from that article: > > " As I started to explain before, DHT is a strong androgen > that will signal the pituitary to decrease the production of > gonadotropins. The decrease in gonadotropins will then cause > less testosterone to be produced which will in turn cause > the estrogen levels to drop. " > > > > > > > > > > > From: <chrisjtaylor46@> > > > > > Subject: Gel or > injections? > > > > > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, October 27, 2010, 2:20 > PM > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > > > I am seeing a dr in a couple of weeks, > and hoping > > > to be > > > > > able to try TRT > > > > > > > > > > should i ask for gel or > injections? does one > > > cause > > > > > more estradiol problems than the other > ? or is it > > > personal > > > > > preference? I didn't realise > how cheap > > > the > > > > > injections were, yet they > still are reluctant > > > to give > > > > > them? they seem about 1/10 the price of > the > > > patches > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is striant any good? i read on > here that > > > those who > > > > > could get it to stick seemed ok with > it, but most > > > had > > > > > problems, is that a fair summary? > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 I lost most of my hair from a med they gave me to help me void when I had BPH. I think it was called Hytren I told the Dr. my hair was falling out in the shower it was not a lot but enough to pick up and through out. He said we all lose hair that grows back. He seen me getting a very thing on the top of my head and stopped the med but it was to late. After this my hair kept falling out even after stopping the med for about 4 more months. To day I get it cut very short I call it a buzz cut. Co-Moderator Phil > From: <chrisjtaylor46@...> > Subject: Re: Gel or injections? > > Date: Wednesday, October 27, 2010, 4:42 PM > is minodoxil safe to use? it's not > going to cause big issues is it like finasteride? i > mean apart from skin irritation? > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Chris > <chrisjtaylor46@> > > > > > > Subject: Gel or > injections? > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, October 27, 2010, > 2:20 PM > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > > > > > I am seeing a dr in a couple of > weeks, and hoping > > > > to be > > > > > > able to try TRT > > > > > > > > > > > > should i ask for gel or > injections? does one > > > > cause > > > > > > more estradiol problems than the > other ? or is it > > > > personal > > > > > > preference? I didn't > realise how cheap > > > > the > > > > > > injections were, yet they > still are reluctant > > > > to give > > > > > > them? they seem about 1/10 the > price of the > > > > patches > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is striant any good? i > read on here that > > > > those who > > > > > > could get it to stick seemed ok > with it, but most > > > > had > > > > > > problems, is that a fair summary? > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 >> After this my hair kept falling out even after stopping the med for >> about 4 more months. To day I get it cut very short I call it a buzz >> cut. << --------------------------- Totally off-topic, but *I* personally find men with buzz cuts, little hair, and even NO hair, totally SEXY!...always have, and always will. To me, men with a full head of hair don't quite look right...;-) Marita in western MT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2010 Report Share Posted October 28, 2010 Thank you for that my wife hates it when I get my hair cut short but I just tell her every time she gets her hair done how nice it looks. Co-Moderator Phil > From: Marita <mcdaniel@...> > Subject: Re: Gel or injections? > > Date: Wednesday, October 27, 2010, 9:29 PM > >> After this my hair > kept falling out even after stopping the med for > >> about 4 more months. To day I get it cut > very short I call it a buzz > >> cut. << > --------------------------- > Totally off-topic, but *I* personally find men with buzz > cuts, little hair, > and even NO hair, totally SEXY!...always have, and always > will. To me, men > with a full head of hair don't quite look right...;-) > > Marita in western MT > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2010 Report Share Posted October 28, 2010 It seems that in general, guys like their hair shorter and women like it longer. On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 7:46 AM, philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>wrote: > > > Thank you for that my wife hates it when I get my hair cut short but I just > tell her every time she gets her hair done how nice it looks. > Co-Moderator > Phil > > > > > From: Marita <mcdaniel@... <mcdaniel%40blackfoot.net>> > > > Subject: Re: Gel or injections? > > < %40> > > Date: Wednesday, October 27, 2010, 9:29 PM > > > >> After this my hair > > kept falling out even after stopping the med for > > >> about 4 more months. To day I get it cut > > very short I call it a buzz > > >> cut. << > > --------------------------- > > Totally off-topic, but *I* personally find men with buzz > > cuts, little hair, > > and even NO hair, totally SEXY!...always have, and always > > will. To me, men > > with a full head of hair don't quite look right...;-) > > > > Marita in western MT > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2010 Report Share Posted November 11, 2010 Hi Phil Well i got ahead of myself here, the endo i saw today says my Testostereone levels are normal. He admitted they were low normal, but he said normal. He said my weight (260lbs) could be causing low SHBG and low T, but i said coud it be the other way round - low T causing obesity and he agreed it's possible. i asked about metabolic syndrome (they're not clued up on this much in UK) and he said yes it's possible you have that but lose weight, and he couldn't give me metformin either, even though it's like what, 5pounds (8 dollars) a month. said he couldn't justify it clinically. i don't fully understand my results, don't know why IGF-1 was high on one. dr said also it's not likely i have pituitary since all my pituitary hormones are 'ok' - i said but they're all low end of normal? he said that's good! i think i probably do have metabolic syndrome, do you agree? http://www.endocrinetoday.com/view.aspx?rid=67732 should i be taking metformin? testosterone? dunno what to do, can someone advise please? Thanks. I wasn't on any meds for these tests (UK date format). I am not srue what some of the abbreviations stand for. 30-09-10 Short synact 207 0 min nmol/L 211 30 min Urinary free cortisol test 19-9-10 PCOLL 24 hours 19-9-10 UCORC 107 no range given nmol/L 19-9-10 UCORE 213 no range given nmol 19-9-10 UVOL 1990 mL " Urinary free cortisol reference range < 240 nmol per 24 hours " 1mg Dexamethasone suppression test 21-9-10 CORT1 <20 nmol/L (<20 is considered normal) 30-09-10 FSH2 2.7 1.5-12.4 IU/L 30-09-10 GH <0.07 no range given 30-09-10 IGF 25.9 13.0-37.0 nmol/L 30-09-10 LH1 2.5 1.7-8.6 IU/L (LH) 30-09-10 TESTMS 8.8 7.0-27.0 nmol/L (testosterone) 30-09-10 FT4B 15.5 10.0-22.0 pmol/L (Freet4) 30-09-10 TSH1 0.64 0.30-4.50 mIU/L (TSH) I was on HC when following tests were done, I stopped HC the afternoon before the day of the tests 06/10/10 ACTH 18.1 <46ng/L ng/L 06/10/10 ALDO 193 28-444 recumbent pmol/L aldosterone 111-860 standing pmol/L 06/10/10 D4B 8.6 2.8-10.5 nmol/L don't know what this is 06/10/10 DHAS1 5.92 3.30-14.10 umol/L 06/10/10 FSH2 2.7 1.5-12.4 IU/L 06/10/10 GH <0.07 none given ug/L 06/10/10 IGF 41.8 13.0-37.0 nmol/L 06/10/10 PROL1 83 85-325 mIU/L prolactin 06/10/10 SHBG1 12.8 18.0-84.0 nmol/L SHBG 06/10/10 TESTMS 10.1 7.0-27.0 nmol/L 06/10/10 FT4B 17.5 10.0-22.0 pmol/L 06/10/10 TSH1 0.7 0.30-4.50 mIU/L Free testosterone calculated using this site: http://www.issam.ch/freetesto.htm 46 g/l albumin 12.8 nmol/L SHBG Tesosterone 10.1 nmol/L Free Testosterone 0.404 nmol/mL = 3.99 % Bioavailable Testosterone 10.1 nmol/mL = 99.9 % Is this low? what do these tests indicate? metabolic syndrome as well as low T? why would IGF/GH be high on one of the tests? could that indicate insulin resistance? Many thanks! Chris > > I lost most of my hair from a med they gave me to help me void when I had BPH. I think it was called Hytren I told the Dr. my hair was falling out in the shower it was not a lot but enough to pick up and through out. He said we all lose hair that grows back. He seen me getting a very thing on the top of my head and stopped the med but it was to late. After this my hair kept falling out even after stopping the med for about 4 more months. To day I get it cut very short I call it a buzz cut. > Co-Moderator > Phil > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2010 Report Share Posted November 11, 2010 sorry, the results didn't come out as clear as i'd hoped, i have them in a spreadsheet if that is easier? also have other blood tests like mcv but they don't show any anomalies i don't think thanks chris > > > > I lost most of my hair from a med they gave me to help me void when I had BPH. I think it was called Hytren I told the Dr. my hair was falling out in the shower it was not a lot but enough to pick up and through out. He said we all lose hair that grows back. He seen me getting a very thing on the top of my head and stopped the med but it was to late. After this my hair kept falling out even after stopping the med for about 4 more months. To day I get it cut very short I call it a buzz cut. > > Co-Moderator > > Phil > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2010 Report Share Posted November 12, 2010 Has anyone got any thoughts on this please? thanks > > > > I lost most of my hair from a med they gave me to help me void when I had BPH. I think it was called Hytren I told the Dr. my hair was falling out in the shower it was not a lot but enough to pick up and through out. He said we all lose hair that grows back. He seen me getting a very thing on the top of my head and stopped the med but it was to late. After this my hair kept falling out even after stopping the med for about 4 more months. To day I get it cut very short I call it a buzz cut. > > Co-Moderator > > Phil > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2010 Report Share Posted November 12, 2010 I don't know how to read urine labs and my Dr. feels they are not good for hormones only shows you what your body is getting rid off. I know Dr. loves them but not all Dr.'s are as good as he is. I feel your Testosterone, LH and FSH levels are very low to dam low there are that of a man over 100 yrs of age. In the files section there is a file called " Testosterone by Age in Men.doc " the levels for a man over 100 yrs of age is 13.05 nmol/L. You need to address this problem first then retest when you have your levels up and your feeling better. Growth Hormone levels take a hit when your Testosterone levels are this low and from the look of your low SHBG levels. I feel your Estradiol levels are to low they need to be at about 74. You can't test Cortisol levels on HC meds all the tests show is you not on to much HC and not shutting down your ACTH levels. But your low LH and FSH levels leave me to think your Pituitary is not working right not telling your body to make enough Testosterone. Still to rule this out you need to test Estraidol if it's high this can shut down LH and FSH levels. Your brain would think the high Estraidol is Testosterone and stop telling your testis to make it. You need to find a privet Dr. this Dr. your seeing is heart less. As for metabolic syndrome one would need to get there Testosterone levels up then test for this. There is no way losing weight will fix them low levels. It's your Pituitary if your Estraidol levels are not to high. You need to post about this here for help in the UK. http://www.andropause.org.uk/newforum/forum_frameset.htm Co-Moderator Phil > From: <chrisjtaylor46@...> > Subject: Re: Gel or injections? > > Date: Thursday, November 11, 2010, 5:27 PM > Hi Phil > > Well i got ahead of myself here, the endo i saw today says > my Testostereone levels are normal. He admitted they > were low normal, but he said normal. He said my weight > (260lbs) could be causing low SHBG and low T, but i said > coud it be the other way round - low T causing obesity and > he agreed it's possible. i asked about metabolic > syndrome (they're not clued up on this much in UK) and he > said yes it's possible you have that but lose weight, and he > couldn't give me metformin either, even though it's like > what, 5pounds (8 dollars) a month. said he couldn't > justify it clinically. i don't fully understand my > results, don't know why IGF-1 was high on one. dr said > also it's not likely i have pituitary since all my pituitary > hormones are 'ok' - i said but they're all low end of > normal? he said that's good! > > i think i probably do have metabolic syndrome, do you > agree? http://www.endocrinetoday.com/view.aspx?rid=67732 > > should i be taking metformin? testosterone? > dunno what to do, can someone advise please? Thanks. > > I wasn't on any meds for these tests (UK date format). I am > not srue what some of the abbreviations stand for. > > 30-09-10 Short synact > 207 0 min nmol/L > > 211 30 min > > Urinary free cortisol test > > 19-9-10 PCOLL 24 > hours > 19-9-10 UCORC > 107 no range given > nmol/L > 19-9-10 UCORE > 213 no range given nmol > 19-9-10 UVOL > 1990 mL > " Urinary free cortisol reference range < 240 nmol per 24 > hours " > > 1mg Dexamethasone suppression test > > 21-9-10 CORT1 > <20 nmol/L > (<20 is considered normal) > > 30-09-10 FSH2 > 2.7 1.5-12.4 IU/L > 30-09-10 GH > <0.07 no range given > > 30-09-10 IGF > 25.9 13.0-37.0 nmol/L > 30-09-10 LH1 > 2.5 1.7-8.6 IU/L (LH) > 30-09-10 TESTMS > 8.8 7.0-27.0 > nmol/L (testosterone) > 30-09-10 FT4B > 15.5 10.0-22.0 pmol/L > (Freet4) > 30-09-10 TSH1 > 0.64 0.30-4.50 mIU/L > (TSH) > > I was on HC when following tests were done, I stopped HC > the afternoon before the day of the tests > > 06/10/10 ACTH > 18.1 <46ng/L ng/L > 06/10/10 ALDO > 193 28-444 recumbent > pmol/L aldosterone > > 111-860 standing pmol/L > > > 06/10/10 D4B > 8.6 2.8-10.5 > nmol/L don't know what this is > 06/10/10 DHAS1 > 5.92 3.30-14.10 umol/L > 06/10/10 FSH2 > 2.7 1.5-12.4 IU/L > 06/10/10 GH > <0.07 none given > ug/L > 06/10/10 IGF > 41.8 13.0-37.0 nmol/L > 06/10/10 PROL1 > 83 85-325 mIU/L > prolactin > 06/10/10 SHBG1 > 12.8 18.0-84.0 > nmol/L SHBG > 06/10/10 TESTMS > 10.1 7.0-27.0 nmol/L > 06/10/10 FT4B > 17.5 10.0-22.0 pmol/L > 06/10/10 TSH1 > 0.7 0.30-4.50 mIU/L > > > Free testosterone calculated using this site: http://www.issam.ch/freetesto.htm > > 46 g/l albumin > > 12.8 nmol/L SHBG > > Tesosterone 10.1 nmol/L > > > Free Testosterone > 0.404 nmol/mL = 3.99 % > Bioavailable Testosterone > 10.1 nmol/mL = 99.9 > % > > Is this low? what do these tests indicate? > metabolic syndrome as well as low T? why would IGF/GH be > high on one of the tests? could that indicate insulin > resistance? > > Many thanks! > > Chris > > > > > > I lost most of my hair from a med they gave me to help > me void when I had BPH. I think it was called Hytren I > told the Dr. my hair was falling out in the shower it was > not a lot but enough to pick up and through out. He > said we all lose hair that grows back. He seen me > getting a very thing on the top of my head and stopped the > med but it was to late. After this my hair kept > falling out even after stopping the med for about 4 more > months. To day I get it cut very short I call it a > buzz cut. > > Co-Moderator > > Phil > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2010 Report Share Posted November 12, 2010 I feel like Dr. at www.allthingsmale.com men need to try Gels first then if this does not work go to shots. Co-Moderator Phil > From: <chrisjtaylor46@...> > Subject: Re: Gel or injections? > > Date: Friday, November 12, 2010, 11:05 AM > Has anyone got any thoughts on this > please? thanks > > > > > > > > I lost most of my hair from a med they gave me to > help me void when I had BPH. I think it was called > Hytren I told the Dr. my hair was falling out in the shower > it was not a lot but enough to pick up and through > out. He said we all lose hair that grows back. > He seen me getting a very thing on the top of my head and > stopped the med but it was to late. After this my hair > kept falling out even after stopping the med for about 4 > more months. To day I get it cut very short I call it > a buzz cut. > > > Co-Moderator > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2010 Report Share Posted November 12, 2010 Hi Phil thanks for your reply i got oestradiol checked about a month ago, it was: 48 pmol/L (low) range: 50 to 218 testosterone checked at same time was: 7.9 nmol/L (low) range 9.9 to 27.8 nmol/L couldn't afford other checks at same time but my lh and fsh haven't changed in 18 months that i've seen, it was tested about the same time as the tests i posted-about a week later from this i think i don't have too much estradiol? so does this sound likely to be pituitary? thanks chris > > > > > > I lost most of my hair from a med they gave me to help > > me void when I had BPH. I think it was called Hytren I > > told the Dr. my hair was falling out in the shower it was > > not a lot but enough to pick up and through out. He > > said we all lose hair that grows back. He seen me > > getting a very thing on the top of my head and stopped the > > med but it was to late. After this my hair kept > > falling out even after stopping the med for about 4 more > > months. To day I get it cut very short I call it a > > buzz cut. > > > Co-Moderator > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2010 Report Share Posted November 12, 2010 Yes you feel there is some thing wrong here with your levels if your Pituitary was working good your LH and FSH levels would be at the top of the range. Co-Moderator Phil > From: <chrisjtaylor46@...> > Subject: Re: Gel or injections? > > Date: Friday, November 12, 2010, 5:00 PM > Hi Phil > > thanks for your reply > > i got oestradiol checked about a month ago, it was: > 48 pmol/L (low) range: 50 to 218 > testosterone checked at same time was: > 7.9 nmol/L (low) range 9.9 to 27.8 nmol/L > > couldn't afford other checks at same time but my lh and fsh > haven't changed in 18 months that i've seen, it was tested > about the same time as the tests i posted-about a week > later > > from this i think i don't have too much estradiol? > > so does this sound likely to be pituitary? > > thanks > > chris > > > > > > > > > > I lost most of my hair from a med they gave > me to help > > > me void when I had BPH. I think it was called > Hytren I > > > told the Dr. my hair was falling out in the > shower it was > > > not a lot but enough to pick up and through > out. He > > > said we all lose hair that grows back. He seen > me > > > getting a very thing on the top of my head and > stopped the > > > med but it was to late. After this my hair > kept > > > falling out even after stopping the med for about > 4 more > > > months. To day I get it cut very short I call > it a > > > buzz cut. > > > > Co-Moderator > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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