Re: Re: Taking a baby aspirin opposed to getting blood drawn to thin the blood

[Guest guest]

And Barb I agree if a man tests low say just above the bottom of the range for

testosterone say 375 and his Thyroid is low with low Cortisol I say treat this

first retest later to see if Testosterone levels come back up. But if the man

is very low below the bottom of the range with low thyroid and cortisol levels I

feel like Dr. feels what let the man suffer treat his low Testosterone and

his Cortisol once his Adrenals are supported then add Thyroid meds. Men this

low for Testosterone are suffering from some kind of hypogonadism and might have

been low a very long time. It just takes to long to get his Cortisol and

Thyroid balanced and much harder with his Testosterone this low.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Barb <baba@...>

> Subject: Re: Taking a baby aspirin opposed to getting blood

drawn to thin the blood

>

> Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 11:42 AM

> I think most here have had labs that

> show a clear rise in RBC AFTER starting TRT.  Then you

> know TRT is the cause, and it is a known cause of

> erythrocytosis (thick blood).

>

> My point with the thyroid is that many here are

> hypogonadal, meaning they are low in more than one hormone.

> But they are only treating the testosterone, which then

> leads to other problems, like the erythrocytosis.  I

> wouldn't start someone on both at the same time, and don't

> believe I implied that.  I have read of cases where

> testosterone comes up naturally once thyroid is

> optimal.  But if someone IS hypogonadal, then both do

> need to be addressed.

>

>

>

> > >

> > > If your ferritin is less than 100, then no, you

> don't want to give blood, because it will negatively impact

> other biochemical reactions.

> > >

> > > Thick blood is from too many red blood

> cells.  Taking aspirin makes your blood less likely to

> clot, by making the platelets in your blood less

> " sticky. "   But you will still have an RBC excess. 

>

> > >

> > > The best bet is to modify your testosterone dose

> so you're taking a smaller dose, but more often.  The

> importance of getting thyroid optimal cannot be

> overemphasized.  When thyroid is too low, you'll have

> to take a higher testosterone dose to get the same effect.

> And that's why you're getting the thick blood.

> > >

> > > Barb

> > >

> > > --- In ,

> Rouse <michael.hugh.rouse@> wr

> >

>

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[Guest guest]

Yes all them tests need to be done but if the only thing wrong is very low

Testosterone below the range with low Cortisol and Thyroid I feel they need to

address the low Testosterone first working on Cortisol then Thyroid. Low

Testosterone can cause the low Cortisol this then has an effect on Thyroid. Not

addressing very low Testosterone levels will make it very hard to fix low

Cortisol and Thyroid problems. So it's like what came first the chicken or the

Egg.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...>

> Subject: Re: Taking a baby aspirin opposed to getting blood

drawn to thin the blood

>

> Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 11:59 AM

> TRT can also aggravate pre existing

> sleep apnea by affecting it through several different

> mechanisms mainly thyroid and affecting adrenal function

> which controls electrolye balancing and dehydration. i agree

> as I have seen that in our patients as well giving T can

> make them feel better by raising thyroid function if a

> person is <30 then I will look for reason why T levels

> are low and other factors impacting thyroid.  Thyroid,

> adrenal, sex hormones are just a symptom of the cause which

> should be identified and dealt with then supported hormonal

> if needed.  Alot of younger guys that are on TRT did

> not needed it in the first place. I prefer less meds and

> going to root of the cause.  I have dealt with cases of

> lyme and other disorders where treating the hormones, and

> thyroid can aggravate the situation.  It was not until

> the lyme was directly dealt with that thyroid and endocrine

> system was able to restabilize in younger men and females at

> different ages.

>

>

> > > >

> > > > If your ferritin is less than 100, then no,

> you don't want to give blood, because it will negatively

> impact other biochemical reactions.

> > > >

> > > > Thick blood is from too many red blood

> cells.  Taking aspirin makes your blood less likely to

> clot, by making the platelets in your blood less

> " sticky. "   But you will still have an RBC excess. 

>

> > > >

> > > > The best bet is to modify your testosterone

> dose so you're taking a smaller dose, but more often. 

> The importance of getting thyroid optimal cannot be

> overemphasized.  When thyroid is too low, you'll have

> to take a higher testosterone dose to get the same effect.

> And that's why you're getting the thick blood.

> > > >

> > > > Barb

> > > >

> > > > --- In ,

> Rouse <michael.hugh.rouse@> wr

> > >

> >

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hardasnails,

What is the best test to do for lyme disease? I've been suspicious that I

suffer from some type of lyme disease for a while but my doc, who is very

open minded, is not confident in the tests.

Thanks,

MIke

On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 10:44 AM, hardasnails1973 <

hardasnails1973@...> wrote:

>

>

> If a person has lyme and it goes in remission and then is given cortef it

> can bring it out full force because of the imbalance in the immune system.

> Dealing with lyme disease is very challenging. I just had a case where we

> tried to manipulate a womens thyroid, adrenals, ect, but to no avail. We had

> been working with her for 6 months and while talking to her due to the

> neurological system involved I asked her if she even been bitten by a tick.

> She replied yes and it correlated perfect with her case. She is one toxic

> mess from numerous factors, but due to the lyme disease it bogged down her

> lymphatic system making it virutally impossible to detox to the environment

> she was exposed to. Now since we have more clues we are doing a nutra eval

> to see how it has impacted her immune system , gut, liver methylation,

> mercury unloading. Then we are going to do an ignex test to confirm. We had

> people negative on western blot and test positive on ignex. After suspicion

> and confirmation of lyme we send them to Clymer center in quaker town where

> they are the detoxifcation experts in lyme and heavy metals. Lyme causes

> down regulation of thyroid and adrenal receptors sensitivity which makes it

> really tricky Since the contact i have made in the medical field it allows

> me to resource information only a few drs know about. In the future I hope

> to be also working with Dr brownstein in helping him in his practice. I have

> already net worked with other dr's across the US that I have been working

> together with medical cases. From the days of thyroid forums I have expanded

> my knowledge 1000 fold scientifically.

>

>

> > >I have dealt with cases of lyme and other disorders where treating the

> hormones, and thyroid can aggravate the situation. It was not until the lyme

> was directly dealt with that thyroid and endocrine system was able to

> restabilize in younger men and females at different ages.

> >

>

>

>

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Mike