Re: Taking a baby aspirin opposed to getting blood drawn to thin the blood

[Guest guest]

If your ferritin is less than 100, then no, you don't want to give blood,

because it will negatively impact other biochemical reactions.

Thick blood is from too many red blood cells. Taking aspirin makes your blood

less likely to clot, by making the platelets in your blood less " sticky. " But

you will still have an RBC excess.

The best bet is to modify your testosterone dose so you're taking a smaller

dose, but more often. The importance of getting thyroid optimal cannot be

overemphasized. When thyroid is too low, you'll have to take a higher

testosterone dose to get the same effect. And that's why you're getting the

thick blood.

Barb

>

> Hey Group,

>

> Is it ok to take a baby aspirin every day to thin my blood instead of

> getting whole blood drawn? I say this because I have problems with iron and

> I don't want to lower it by getting my blood taken.

>

> Thanks,

>

> --

> Mike

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Please rule out

1. Drink 1-2 liters of water before blood test - dehydration which is common in

people

2. Adrenal issues with low aldosterone leading to cellular dehyration

3. Sleep apnea which can be aggravated by low thyroid or TRT.

4. 1 aspirin baby 81 mgs daily to thin blood- please consult dr.

5. Fish oils and vitamin E also thin blood - no more then 800 ius of mixed

tocepherols. If platelets are low then do not use fish oils it will lower them

more.

6. Rule out hemochromatosis - most likely is not the issue but check ferritin.

Ferritin should be kept around 150, but there are cases where it needs to be

kept low because it can make the pre-existing condtion even worse (viral

infection, lyme, and cancer, ect)

> >

> > Hey Group,

> >

> > Is it ok to take a baby aspirin every day to thin my blood instead of

> > getting whole blood drawn? I say this because I have problems with iron and

> > I don't want to lower it by getting my blood taken.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > --

> > Mike

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

it would be advisible to talk this over with your dr because ther may be factors

we do not know about. With out the total picture even a simple recommendation

can be dangerous. Issue dealing with the heart and tampering with thinning the

blood needs to be under their supervision.

>

> Hey Group,

>

> Is it ok to take a baby aspirin every day to thin my blood instead of

> getting whole blood drawn? I say this because I have problems with iron and

> I don't want to lower it by getting my blood taken.

>

> Thanks,

>

> --

> Mike

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

My Heart Dr. has me taking one every 12 hrs been on this over 2 yrs now not a

problem.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Rouse <michael.hugh.rouse@...>

> Subject: Taking a baby aspirin opposed to getting blood drawn

to thin the blood

>

> Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 6:14 PM

> Hey Group,

>

> Is it ok to take a baby aspirin every day to thin my blood

> instead of

> getting whole blood drawn? I say this because I have

> problems with iron and

> I don't want to lower it by getting my blood taken.

>

> Thanks,

>

> --

> Mike

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have listed the reason why rbc could be elevated as it could be several

different reasons.

Manipulation of thyroid can be tricky on TRT because it may speed up or slow

down. Treating thyroid off the bat and starting TRT is not a good thing. I

have seen cases in our patients that once testosterone was stablized we saw

thyroid take a nose dive even after 6 months. We monitor thyroid very closely

due to these unusual fluctuations.

>

> If your ferritin is less than 100, then no, you don't want to give blood,

because it will negatively impact other biochemical reactions.

>

> Thick blood is from too many red blood cells. Taking aspirin makes your blood

less likely to clot, by making the platelets in your blood less " sticky. " But

you will still have an RBC excess.

>

> The best bet is to modify your testosterone dose so you're taking a smaller

dose, but more often. The importance of getting thyroid optimal cannot be

overemphasized. When thyroid is too low, you'll have to take a higher

testosterone dose to get the same effect. And that's why you're getting the

thick blood.

>

> Barb

>

> --- In , Rouse <michael.hugh.rouse@> wr

[Guest guest]

I think most here have had labs that show a clear rise in RBC AFTER starting

TRT. Then you know TRT is the cause, and it is a known cause of erythrocytosis

(thick blood).

My point with the thyroid is that many here are hypogonadal, meaning they are

low in more than one hormone. But they are only treating the testosterone, which

then leads to other problems, like the erythrocytosis. I wouldn't start someone

on both at the same time, and don't believe I implied that. I have read of

cases where testosterone comes up naturally once thyroid is optimal. But if

someone IS hypogonadal, then both do need to be addressed.

> >

> > If your ferritin is less than 100, then no, you don't want to give blood,

because it will negatively impact other biochemical reactions.

> >

> > Thick blood is from too many red blood cells. Taking aspirin makes your

blood less likely to clot, by making the platelets in your blood less " sticky. "

But you will still have an RBC excess.

> >

> > The best bet is to modify your testosterone dose so you're taking a smaller

dose, but more often. The importance of getting thyroid optimal cannot be

overemphasized. When thyroid is too low, you'll have to take a higher

testosterone dose to get the same effect. And that's why you're getting the

thick blood.

> >

> > Barb

> >

> > --- In , Rouse <michael.hugh.rouse@> wr

>

[Guest guest]

TRT can also aggravate pre existing sleep apnea by affecting it through several

different mechanisms mainly thyroid and affecting adrenal function which

controls electrolye balancing and dehydration. i agree as I have seen that in

our patients as well giving T can make them feel better by raising thyroid

function if a person is <30 then I will look for reason why T levels are low and

other factors impacting thyroid. Thyroid, adrenal, sex hormones are just a

symptom of the cause which should be identified and dealt with then supported

hormonal if needed. Alot of younger guys that are on TRT did not needed it in

the first place. I prefer less meds and going to root of the cause. I have

dealt with cases of lyme and other disorders where treating the hormones, and

thyroid can aggravate the situation. It was not until the lyme was directly

dealt with that thyroid and endocrine system was able to restabilize in younger

men and females at different ages.

> > >

> > > If your ferritin is less than 100, then no, you don't want to give blood,

because it will negatively impact other biochemical reactions.

> > >

> > > Thick blood is from too many red blood cells. Taking aspirin makes your

blood less likely to clot, by making the platelets in your blood less " sticky. "

But you will still have an RBC excess.

> > >

> > > The best bet is to modify your testosterone dose so you're taking a

smaller dose, but more often. The importance of getting thyroid optimal cannot

be overemphasized. When thyroid is too low, you'll have to take a higher

testosterone dose to get the same effect. And that's why you're getting the

thick blood.

> > >

> > > Barb

> > >

> > > --- In , Rouse <michael.hugh.rouse@>

wr

> >

>

[Guest guest]

And how do you treat lyme? On the forums, people with lyme seem to have the

hardest time on meds. So you're saying you leave them hypo but work on other

things first?

" hardasnails1973 " <hardasnails1973@...> wrote:

>I have dealt with cases of lyme and other disorders where treating the

hormones, and thyroid can aggravate the situation. It was not until the lyme

was directly dealt with that thyroid and endocrine system was able to

restabilize in younger men and females at different ages.

[Guest guest]

If a person has lyme and it goes in remission and then is given cortef it can

bring it out full force because of the imbalance in the immune system. Dealing

with lyme disease is very challenging. I just had a case where we tried to

manipulate a womens thyroid, adrenals, ect, but to no avail. We had been working

with her for 6 months and while talking to her due to the neurological system

involved I asked her if she even been bitten by a tick. She replied yes and it

correlated perfect with her case. She is one toxic mess from numerous factors,

but due to the lyme disease it bogged down her lymphatic system making it

virutally impossible to detox to the environment she was exposed to. Now since

we have more clues we are doing a nutra eval to see how it has impacted her

immune system , gut, liver methylation, mercury unloading. Then we are going to

do an ignex test to confirm. We had people negative on western blot and test

positive on ignex. After suspicion and confirmation of lyme we send them to

Clymer center in quaker town where they are the detoxifcation experts in lyme

and heavy metals. Lyme causes down regulation of thyroid and adrenal receptors

sensitivity which makes it really tricky Since the contact i have made in the

medical field it allows me to resource information only a few drs know about.

In the future I hope to be also working with Dr brownstein in helping him in

his practice. I have already net worked with other dr's across the US that I

have been working together with medical cases. From the days of thyroid forums

I have expanded my knowledge 1000 fold scientifically.

> >I have dealt with cases of lyme and other disorders where treating the

hormones, and thyroid can aggravate the situation. It was not until the lyme

was directly dealt with that thyroid and endocrine system was able to

restabilize in younger men and females at different ages.

>