Progesterone

[Guest guest]

I have heard that progesterone stimulates the thyroid.

[Guest guest]

- excellent post... i've read that progesterone feeds candida from

more than one excellent source...

I too got the sore breasts a week before my period on the progesterone and

at times they were sooo sore, i felt like I did when i was nursing my

children and I was engorged with milk (if anyone knows how painful that can

be). I am a small breasted woman, and for a little while I thought - " hey,

maybe at 42 i'm finally going to GROW! " ... but anyway... that wasn't to be

.... just the PAIN and that was that.

I did not have the other pains that you mentioned...

I do have the same question whether this is estrogen... however I have found

out from my ob/gyn that the hormone test given to determine whether a

patient needs HRT (hormone replacement therapy) is NOT reliable... it can

fluctuate at various times of the month - and many people get on estrogen

and are not helped at all ... even when the signs point to this being their

problem.

There are also too many problems with estrogen replacements at this time for

me... and with my grandmother and 2 aunts dying from breast cancer,,, i'm

very careful.

one of the things that candida also does is make cell walls rigid - which

hinders hormones from entering and doing the

jobs they need to do... which is also why so many of us suffer from thyroid

problems... and these 'woman' problems as well... <<sigh>>

I think we need to have a real 'comprehensive' approach to our bodies,,, and

cover ALL aspects of our health to have real results . Candida is actually

NOT our enemy - I DON " T want to rid my body of ALL the candida - because its

NEEDED - in its right balance. I want, instead, to be 'balanced' - in all

my different body systems...

ok - i know i have 'high' hopes - but that is my goal ...

wendy

progesterone

Hi there

I WOULD BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT TAKING PROGESTERONE WITH CANCER. Also, I

cannot take progesterone with Candida. I will attempt to explain why.

My symptoms are always worse in the last phase of my cycle. About 10 days

before my period is due to be exact. This is due to RISING progesterone

levels. Progesterone feeds candida, so be very careful if you are thinking

about taking it.

My symptoms of candida a year ago were not as bad as now, and I am afraid to

say its because of Progesterone. What someone said about checking out your

hormones, and which one is out of balance is correct. I am now mostly

convinced mine is not Progesterone, but Estrogen. I find it hard to balance

this all up after reading a lot of Dr Lees books on Progesterone. He

makes it sound like a wonder drug, and for some, like my friend down the

road from me, it is. It has saved her from a hysterectomy. I started

taking it at the same time, and developed sore breasts before my period

almost straight away, something I had not had since the birth of my first

child, about 6 years ago.

My vulva became swollen and sore, like when I was pregnant (also increases

progesterone ), and I developed hot flashes, and terrible PMT. I switched

to another cream, and my itching became dramatically worse. I gave up, and

swapped to Remifemin. My itching is still bad, I think the damage is going

to take some time to undo, but no more PMT, lots of energy, and general

feeling of well being. Still get those sore breasts though. didn't this

month, and wondering if its the diet. Another thing which concerns me is

that I am getting a burning of my bladder just before my period is due (last

2 months), wondering what the heck is causing this. You can't seem to win

at times. FIGHT, FIGHT FIGHT. I will not give up. That I am becoming more

convinced about. I am getting to the point that I think candida is my

enemy, and I will starve him to death, or me, whoever is first. Anger, well

directed, is a good motivator.

Another thing to mention, is after I had my first child, it was too painful

to have intercourse for 6 months. I thought that this was just because I

was torn and ripped inside, but then I got my period and it was fine

overnight. I have other friends who have had this also. It is supposed to

be caused by a lack of ESTROGEN.

Has anyone else had this? Hormones are annoying things if they are out of

kilter, and progesterone is only ONE of them. So yes, try to figure

out/find out which one you need first before taking it. Progesterone, and

the one you quoted as well, Pro-Gest it think, needs to altered in some

way to work properly. This is described by Dr Lee in his books, and

tells of the ones to take and the amounts. This is very important too. Too

much or too little will through the body out even more. Also, he recommends

skin creams, doctors here, and others as well, don't think this is a good

idea, the reasons being that I forget for now sorry, but tablets are

supposedly better. You would have to check it out with your doctor.

Hope this helps. Sorry to be a kill joy. Just thought it important for

people to know if they struggle with candida.

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LIZ - who was it - you or or someone who had posted regarding that REMEFEMIN stuff - wasn't that high in black cohosh????

wendy

RE: progesterone

, You are no kill joy. It goes to show that

other women can have too LITTLE estrogen in their

system and so the progesterone cream would just make

your symptoms progesterone dominate. Being 42 I am

loosing the progesterone race.

What you said about the " 10th day before your period " -

at this time both progesterone and estrogen rises, but

to get a bleed estrogen has to jump a little higher.

So there is major hormonal surging going on. Have you

tried a cream for your PMS that has estrogen related

ingredients in it like- black cohosh?

Your post is good information because I am sure many other

women out there is in the same boat as you too. I do know

that candida flourishes on any hormone available. Even the

thyroid hormones. But please everyone do a search on the

products you intend to take to see what hormone it influences.

Dr. Lee's book list's both estrogen dominant symptoms and progesterone

dominant symptoms.

, burning urin can be a candida attack, bladder infection or you ph could be

off. I have been having that for awhile and taking dandalion root or uva-ursi stops

this in 20 if it a ph thing.

Take care, LIZ

progesterone

Hi there

I WOULD BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT TAKING PROGESTERONE WITH CANCER. Also, I

cannot take progesterone with Candida. I will attempt to explain why.

My symptoms are always worse in the last phase of my cycle. About 10 days

before my period is due to be exact. This is due to RISING progesterone

levels. Progesterone feeds candida, so be very careful if you are thinking

about taking it.

My symptoms of candida a year ago were not as bad as now, and I am afraid to

say its because of Progesterone. What someone said about checking out your

hormones, and which one is out of balance is correct. I am now mostly

convinced mine is not Progesterone, but Estrogen. I find it hard to balance

this all up after reading a lot of Dr Lees books on Progesterone. He

makes it sound like a wonder drug, and for some, like my friend down the

road from me, it is. It has saved her from a hysterectomy. I started

taking it at the same time, and developed sore breasts before my period

almost straight away, something I had not had since the birth of my first

child, about 6 years ago.

My vulva became swollen and sore, like when I was pregnant (also increases

progesterone ), and I developed hot flashes, and terrible PMT. I switched

to another cream, and my itching became dramatically worse. I gave up, and

swapped to Remifemin. My itching is still bad, I think the damage is going

to take some time to undo, but no more PMT, lots of energy, and general

feeling of well being. Still get those sore breasts though. didn't this

month, and wondering if its the diet. Another thing which concerns me is

that I am getting a burning of my bladder just before my period is due (last

2 months), wondering what the heck is causing this. You can't seem to win

at times. FIGHT, FIGHT FIGHT. I will not give up. That I am becoming more

convinced about. I am getting to the point that I think candida is my

enemy, and I will starve him to death, or me, whoever is first. Anger, well

directed, is a good motivator.

Another thing to mention, is after I had my first child, it was too painful

to have intercourse for 6 months. I thought that this was just because I

was torn and ripped inside, but then I got my period and it was fine

overnight. I have other friends who have had this also. It is supposed to

be caused by a lack of ESTROGEN.

Has anyone else had this? Hormones are annoying things if they are out of

kilter, and progesterone is only ONE of them. So yes, try to figure

out/find out which one you need first before taking it. Progesterone, and

the one you quoted as well, Pro-Gest it think, needs to altered in some

way to work properly. This is described by Dr Lee in his books, and

tells of the ones to take and the amounts. This is very important too. Too

much or too little will through the body out even more. Also, he recommends

skin creams, doctors here, and others as well, don't think this is a good

idea, the reasons being that I forget for now sorry, but tablets are

supposedly better. You would have to check it out with your doctor.

Hope this helps. Sorry to be a kill joy. Just thought it important for

people to know if they struggle with candida.

[Guest guest]

, You are no kill joy. It goes to show that

other women can have too LITTLE estrogen in their

system and so the progesterone cream would just make

your symptoms progesterone dominate. Being 42 I am

loosing the progesterone race.

What you said about the "10th day before your period"-

at this time both progesterone and estrogen rises, but

to get a bleed estrogen has to jump a little higher.

So there is major hormonal surging going on. Have you

tried a cream for your PMS that has estrogen related

ingredients in it like- black cohosh?

Your post is good information because I am sure many other

women out there is in the same boat as you too. I do know

that candida flourishes on any hormone available. Even the

thyroid hormones. But please everyone do a search on the

products you intend to take to see what hormone it influences.

Dr. Lee's book list's both estrogen dominant symptoms and progesterone

dominant symptoms.

, burning urin can be a candida attack, bladder infection or you ph could be

off. I have been having that for awhile and taking dandalion root or uva-ursi stops

this in 20 if it a ph thing.

Take care, LIZ

progesterone

Hi there

I WOULD BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT TAKING PROGESTERONE WITH CANCER. Also, I

cannot take progesterone with Candida. I will attempt to explain why.

My symptoms are always worse in the last phase of my cycle. About 10 days

before my period is due to be exact. This is due to RISING progesterone

levels. Progesterone feeds candida, so be very careful if you are thinking

about taking it.

My symptoms of candida a year ago were not as bad as now, and I am afraid to

say its because of Progesterone. What someone said about checking out your

hormones, and which one is out of balance is correct. I am now mostly

convinced mine is not Progesterone, but Estrogen. I find it hard to balance

this all up after reading a lot of Dr Lees books on Progesterone. He

makes it sound like a wonder drug, and for some, like my friend down the

road from me, it is. It has saved her from a hysterectomy. I started

taking it at the same time, and developed sore breasts before my period

almost straight away, something I had not had since the birth of my first

child, about 6 years ago.

My vulva became swollen and sore, like when I was pregnant (also increases

progesterone ), and I developed hot flashes, and terrible PMT. I switched

to another cream, and my itching became dramatically worse. I gave up, and

swapped to Remifemin. My itching is still bad, I think the damage is going

to take some time to undo, but no more PMT, lots of energy, and general

feeling of well being. Still get those sore breasts though. didn't this

month, and wondering if its the diet. Another thing which concerns me is

that I am getting a burning of my bladder just before my period is due (last

2 months), wondering what the heck is causing this. You can't seem to win

at times. FIGHT, FIGHT FIGHT. I will not give up. That I am becoming more

convinced about. I am getting to the point that I think candida is my

enemy, and I will starve him to death, or me, whoever is first. Anger, well

directed, is a good motivator.

Another thing to mention, is after I had my first child, it was too painful

to have intercourse for 6 months. I thought that this was just because I

was torn and ripped inside, but then I got my period and it was fine

overnight. I have other friends who have had this also. It is supposed to

be caused by a lack of ESTROGEN.

Has anyone else had this? Hormones are annoying things if they are out of

kilter, and progesterone is only ONE of them. So yes, try to figure

out/find out which one you need first before taking it. Progesterone, and

the one you quoted as well, Pro-Gest it think, needs to altered in some

way to work properly. This is described by Dr Lee in his books, and

tells of the ones to take and the amounts. This is very important too. Too

much or too little will through the body out even more. Also, he recommends

skin creams, doctors here, and others as well, don't think this is a good

idea, the reasons being that I forget for now sorry, but tablets are

supposedly better. You would have to check it out with your doctor.

Hope this helps. Sorry to be a kill joy. Just thought it important for

people to know if they struggle with candida.

[Guest guest]

said she was taking it. I don't remember

if black cohosh was in it. May be.

LIZ

progesterone

Hi there

I WOULD BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT TAKING PROGESTERONE WITH CANCER. Also, I

cannot take progesterone with Candida. I will attempt to explain why.

My symptoms are always worse in the last phase of my cycle. About 10 days

before my period is due to be exact. This is due to RISING progesterone

levels. Progesterone feeds candida, so be very careful if you are thinking

about taking it.

My symptoms of candida a year ago were not as bad as now, and I am afraid to

say its because of Progesterone. What someone said about checking out your

hormones, and which one is out of balance is correct. I am now mostly

convinced mine is not Progesterone, but Estrogen. I find it hard to balance

this all up after reading a lot of Dr Lees books on Progesterone. He

makes it sound like a wonder drug, and for some, like my friend down the

road from me, it is. It has saved her from a hysterectomy. I started

taking it at the same time, and developed sore breasts before my period

almost straight away, something I had not had since the birth of my first

child, about 6 years ago.

My vulva became swollen and sore, like when I was pregnant (also increases

progesterone ), and I developed hot flashes, and terrible PMT. I switched

to another cream, and my itching became dramatically worse. I gave up, and

swapped to Remifemin. My itching is still bad, I think the damage is going

to take some time to undo, but no more PMT, lots of energy, and general

feeling of well being. Still get those sore breasts though. didn't this

month, and wondering if its the diet. Another thing which concerns me is

that I am getting a burning of my bladder just before my period is due (last

2 months), wondering what the heck is causing this. You can't seem to win

at times. FIGHT, FIGHT FIGHT. I will not give up. That I am becoming more

convinced about. I am getting to the point that I think candida is my

enemy, and I will starve him to death, or me, whoever is first. Anger, well

directed, is a good motivator.

Another thing to mention, is after I had my first child, it was too painful

to have intercourse for 6 months. I thought that this was just because I

was torn and ripped inside, but then I got my period and it was fine

overnight. I have other friends who have had this also. It is supposed to

be caused by a lack of ESTROGEN.

Has anyone else had this? Hormones are annoying things if they are out of

kilter, and progesterone is only ONE of them. So yes, try to figure

out/find out which one you need first before taking it. Progesterone, and

the one you quoted as well, Pro-Gest it think, needs to altered in some

way to work properly. This is described by Dr Lee in his books, and

tells of the ones to take and the amounts. This is very important too. Too

much or too little will through the body out even more. Also, he recommends

skin creams, doctors here, and others as well, don't think this is a good

idea, the reasons being that I forget for now sorry, but tablets are

supposedly better. You would have to check it out with your doctor.

Hope this helps. Sorry to be a kill joy. Just thought it important for

people to know if they struggle with candida.

[Guest guest]

- i think it was ANn who posted the " modernherbalist " site and info - and he and other sites talk a lot about using chromium for the blood sugar levels. I bought some and it is making a HUGE difference throughout the day. Just make sure it is chromium PICOLINATE - which is the trivalent form.

wendy

Re: progesterone

Thanks Liz. I seem to recall that in Dr Lees book i came out as needing Progesterone, not Estrogen, which is why I took it in the first place. It is soooo hard to know sometimes. My Remifemin I think is derived from Black Cohosh, which is why it affects Estrogen levels . It's my blood sugars that are proving to be a problem. I feel like the stuffing is removed form my body. My legs and arms feel like concrete. Is this die-off, or related to it? I started today on Caprilic Acid. Two times 500mg tablets. Should I increase each day? To what dosage? Sorry, just new at this rotation thing.

Love

progesterone

Hi there

I WOULD BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT TAKING PROGESTERONE WITH CANCER. Also, I

cannot take progesterone with Candida. I will attempt to explain why.

My symptoms are always worse in the last phase of my cycle. About 10 days

before my period is due to be exact. This is due to RISING progesterone

levels. Progesterone feeds candida, so be very careful if you are thinking

about taking it.

My symptoms of candida a year ago were not as bad as now, and I am afraid to

say its because of Progesterone. What someone said about checking out your

hormones, and which one is out of balance is correct. I am now mostly

convinced mine is not Progesterone, but Estrogen. I find it hard to balance

this all up after reading a lot of Dr Lees books on Progesterone. He

makes it sound like a wonder drug, and for some, like my friend down the

road from me, it is. It has saved her from a hysterectomy. I started

taking it at the same time, and developed sore breasts before my period

almost straight away, something I had not had since the birth of my first

child, about 6 years ago.

My vulva became swollen and sore, like when I was pregnant (also increases

progesterone ), and I developed hot flashes, and terrible PMT. I switched

to another cream, and my itching became dramatically worse. I gave up, and

swapped to Remifemin. My itching is still bad, I think the damage is going

to take some time to undo, but no more PMT, lots of energy, and general

feeling of well being. Still get those sore breasts though. didn't this

month, and wondering if its the diet. Another thing which concerns me is

that I am getting a burning of my bladder just before my period is due (last

2 months), wondering what the heck is causing this. You can't seem to win

at times. FIGHT, FIGHT FIGHT. I will not give up. That I am becoming more

convinced about. I am getting to the point that I think candida is my

enemy, and I will starve him to death, or me, whoever is first. Anger, well

directed, is a good motivator.

Another thing to mention, is after I had my first child, it was too painful

to have intercourse for 6 months. I thought that this was just because I

was torn and ripped inside, but then I got my period and it was fine

overnight. I have other friends who have had this also. It is supposed to

be caused by a lack of ESTROGEN.

Has anyone else had this? Hormones are annoying things if they are out of

kilter, and progesterone is only ONE of them. So yes, try to figure

out/find out which one you need first before taking it. Progesterone, and

the one you quoted as well, Pro-Gest it think, needs to altered in some

way to work properly. This is described by Dr Lee in his books, and

tells of the ones to take and the amounts. This is very important too. Too

much or too little will through the body out even more. Also, he recommends

skin creams, doctors here, and others as well, don't think this is a good

idea, the reasons being that I forget for now sorry, but tablets are

supposedly better. You would have to check it out with your doctor.

Hope this helps. Sorry to be a kill joy. Just thought it important for

people to know if they struggle with candida.

[Guest guest]

Thanks Liz. I seem to recall that in Dr Lees book i came out as needing Progesterone, not Estrogen, which is why I took it in the first place. It is soooo hard to know sometimes. My Remifemin I think is derived from Black Cohosh, which is why it affects Estrogen levels . It's my blood sugars that are proving to be a problem. I feel like the stuffing is removed form my body. My legs and arms feel like concrete. Is this die-off, or related to it? I started today on Caprilic Acid. Two times 500mg tablets. Should I increase each day? To what dosage? Sorry, just new at this rotation thing.

Love

progesterone

Hi there

I WOULD BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT TAKING PROGESTERONE WITH CANCER. Also, I

cannot take progesterone with Candida. I will attempt to explain why.

My symptoms are always worse in the last phase of my cycle. About 10 days

before my period is due to be exact. This is due to RISING progesterone

levels. Progesterone feeds candida, so be very careful if you are thinking

about taking it.

My symptoms of candida a year ago were not as bad as now, and I am afraid to

say its because of Progesterone. What someone said about checking out your

hormones, and which one is out of balance is correct. I am now mostly

convinced mine is not Progesterone, but Estrogen. I find it hard to balance

this all up after reading a lot of Dr Lees books on Progesterone. He

makes it sound like a wonder drug, and for some, like my friend down the

road from me, it is. It has saved her from a hysterectomy. I started

taking it at the same time, and developed sore breasts before my period

almost straight away, something I had not had since the birth of my first

child, about 6 years ago.

My vulva became swollen and sore, like when I was pregnant (also increases

progesterone ), and I developed hot flashes, and terrible PMT. I switched

to another cream, and my itching became dramatically worse. I gave up, and

swapped to Remifemin. My itching is still bad, I think the damage is going

to take some time to undo, but no more PMT, lots of energy, and general

feeling of well being. Still get those sore breasts though. didn't this

month, and wondering if its the diet. Another thing which concerns me is

that I am getting a burning of my bladder just before my period is due (last

2 months), wondering what the heck is causing this. You can't seem to win

at times. FIGHT, FIGHT FIGHT. I will not give up. That I am becoming more

convinced about. I am getting to the point that I think candida is my

enemy, and I will starve him to death, or me, whoever is first. Anger, well

directed, is a good motivator.

Another thing to mention, is after I had my first child, it was too painful

to have intercourse for 6 months. I thought that this was just because I

was torn and ripped inside, but then I got my period and it was fine

overnight. I have other friends who have had this also. It is supposed to

be caused by a lack of ESTROGEN.

Has anyone else had this? Hormones are annoying things if they are out of

kilter, and progesterone is only ONE of them. So yes, try to figure

out/find out which one you need first before taking it. Progesterone, and

the one you quoted as well, Pro-Gest it think, needs to altered in some

way to work properly. This is described by Dr Lee in his books, and

tells of the ones to take and the amounts. This is very important too. Too

much or too little will through the body out even more. Also, he recommends

skin creams, doctors here, and others as well, don't think this is a good

idea, the reasons being that I forget for now sorry, but tablets are

supposedly better. You would have to check it out with your doctor.

Hope this helps. Sorry to be a kill joy. Just thought it important for

people to know if they struggle with candida.

[Guest guest]

Already doing it. Thank goodness I got the right one. Doesn't seem to be doing much, but I only have the odd day where I feel this way. Like, twice in two weeks. I don't understand it. Thanks again , you are a great help. God is good.

Love .

progesterone

Hi there

I WOULD BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT TAKING PROGESTERONE WITH CANCER. Also, I

cannot take progesterone with Candida. I will attempt to explain why.

My symptoms are always worse in the last phase of my cycle. About 10 days

before my period is due to be exact. This is due to RISING progesterone

levels. Progesterone feeds candida, so be very careful if you are thinking

about taking it.

My symptoms of candida a year ago were not as bad as now, and I am afraid to

say its because of Progesterone. What someone said about checking out your

hormones, and which one is out of balance is correct. I am now mostly

convinced mine is not Progesterone, but Estrogen. I find it hard to balance

this all up after reading a lot of Dr Lees books on Progesterone. He

makes it sound like a wonder drug, and for some, like my friend down the

road from me, it is. It has saved her from a hysterectomy. I started

taking it at the same time, and developed sore breasts before my period

almost straight away, something I had not had since the birth of my first

child, about 6 years ago.

My vulva became swollen and sore, like when I was pregnant (also increases

progesterone ), and I developed hot flashes, and terrible PMT. I switched

to another cream, and my itching became dramatically worse. I gave up, and

swapped to Remifemin. My itching is still bad, I think the damage is going

to take some time to undo, but no more PMT, lots of energy, and general

feeling of well being. Still get those sore breasts though. didn't this

month, and wondering if its the diet. Another thing which concerns me is

that I am getting a burning of my bladder just before my period is due (last

2 months), wondering what the heck is causing this. You can't seem to win

at times. FIGHT, FIGHT FIGHT. I will not give up. That I am becoming more

convinced about. I am getting to the point that I think candida is my

enemy, and I will starve him to death, or me, whoever is first. Anger, well

directed, is a good motivator.

Another thing to mention, is after I had my first child, it was too painful

to have intercourse for 6 months. I thought that this was just because I

was torn and ripped inside, but then I got my period and it was fine

overnight. I have other friends who have had this also. It is supposed to

be caused by a lack of ESTROGEN.

Has anyone else had this? Hormones are annoying things if they are out of

kilter, and progesterone is only ONE of them. So yes, try to figure

out/find out which one you need first before taking it. Progesterone, and

the one you quoted as well, Pro-Gest it think, needs to altered in some

way to work properly. This is described by Dr Lee in his books, and

tells of the ones to take and the amounts. This is very important too. Too

much or too little will through the body out even more. Also, he recommends

skin creams, doctors here, and others as well, don't think this is a good

idea, the reasons being that I forget for now sorry, but tablets are

supposedly better. You would have to check it out with your doctor.

Hope this helps. Sorry to be a kill joy. Just thought it important for

people to know if they struggle with candida.

[Guest guest]

Thanks Liz. Half of the products listed here, I cannot get. Solgar's Molybdenum is one. The RDA is too high for our countries standards. Can you believe it? Duh!

Love

progesterone

Hi there

I WOULD BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT TAKING PROGESTERONE WITH CANCER. Also, I

cannot take progesterone with Candida. I will attempt to explain why.

My symptoms are always worse in the last phase of my cycle. About 10 days

before my period is due to be exact. This is due to RISING progesterone

levels. Progesterone feeds candida, so be very careful if you are thinking

about taking it.

My symptoms of candida a year ago were not as bad as now, and I am afraid to

say its because of Progesterone. What someone said about checking out your

hormones, and which one is out of balance is correct. I am now mostly

convinced mine is not Progesterone, but Estrogen. I find it hard to balance

this all up after reading a lot of Dr Lees books on Progesterone. He

makes it sound like a wonder drug, and for some, like my friend down the

road from me, it is. It has saved her from a hysterectomy. I started

taking it at the same time, and developed sore breasts before my period

almost straight away, something I had not had since the birth of my first

child, about 6 years ago.

My vulva became swollen and sore, like when I was pregnant (also increases

progesterone ), and I developed hot flashes, and terrible PMT. I switched

to another cream, and my itching became dramatically worse. I gave up, and

swapped to Remifemin. My itching is still bad, I think the damage is going

to take some time to undo, but no more PMT, lots of energy, and general

feeling of well being. Still get those sore breasts though. didn't this

month, and wondering if its the diet. Another thing which concerns me is

that I am getting a burning of my bladder just before my period is due (last

2 months), wondering what the heck is causing this. You can't seem to win

at times. FIGHT, FIGHT FIGHT. I will not give up. That I am becoming more

convinced about. I am getting to the point that I think candida is my

enemy, and I will starve him to death, or me, whoever is first. Anger, well

directed, is a good motivator.

Another thing to mention, is after I had my first child, it was too painful

to have intercourse for 6 months. I thought that this was just because I

was torn and ripped inside, but then I got my period and it was fine

overnight. I have other friends who have had this also. It is supposed to

be caused by a lack of ESTROGEN.

Has anyone else had this? Hormones are annoying things if they are out of

kilter, and progesterone is only ONE of them. So yes, try to figure

out/find out which one you need first before taking it. Progesterone, and

the one you quoted as well, Pro-Gest it think, needs to altered in some

way to work properly. This is described by Dr Lee in his books, and

tells of the ones to take and the amounts. This is very important too. Too

much or too little will through the body out even more. Also, he recommends

skin creams, doctors here, and others as well, don't think this is a good

idea, the reasons being that I forget for now sorry, but tablets are

supposedly better. You would have to check it out with your doctor.

Hope this helps. Sorry to be a kill joy. Just thought it important for

people to know if they struggle with candida.

[Guest guest]

, Sometimes I feel like a dog chasing its tail.

I have blood sugar drops and at these times I cannot

be sure what to curse! I noticed that as I move along

in my cycle my blood sugar symptoms can change also.

My reliance is to take a small enema and if that doesn't

help me feel better then it's the blood sugar or the

candida flourishing. I want you to know that I never

had a colonic so don't get the impression that an enema

is my solution to these problems, but it is a good gauge.

Blood sugar can be tested by eating something sweet

like an apple or drinking a small glass of juice, followed

by a snack with protein, like cheese or nuts.

I know, these things are to be avoided in your diet but

it is important to keep your blood sugar at a stable

level. If I remember correctly low blood sugar and high

blood pressure can lead to an enlarged heart as you get

older. When I wake up in the morning sometimes juice

doesn't kick my sugar levels up high enough and I have

to eat a cookie first, then have breakfast. (try a cookie

without a cream filling)

I take 1-2 capsules of caprilic acid before each meal.

Thats how the Nystatin was to be taken and I felt a

difference it made when I took it before a meal rather

than after it. However since I have been reading these

posts I am so amazed how some of these products are

helping other people and it didn't help me! Keep trying!

LIZ

progesterone

Hi there

I WOULD BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT TAKING PROGESTERONE WITH CANCER. Also, I

cannot take progesterone with Candida. I will attempt to explain why.

My symptoms are always worse in the last phase of my cycle. About 10 days

before my period is due to be exact. This is due to RISING progesterone

levels. Progesterone feeds candida, so be very careful if you are thinking

about taking it.

My symptoms of candida a year ago were not as bad as now, and I am afraid to

say its because of Progesterone. What someone said about checking out your

hormones, and which one is out of balance is correct. I am now mostly

convinced mine is not Progesterone, but Estrogen. I find it hard to balance

this all up after reading a lot of Dr Lees books on Progesterone. He

makes it sound like a wonder drug, and for some, like my friend down the

road from me, it is. It has saved her from a hysterectomy. I started

taking it at the same time, and developed sore breasts before my period

almost straight away, something I had not had since the birth of my first

child, about 6 years ago.

My vulva became swollen and sore, like when I was pregnant (also increases

progesterone ), and I developed hot flashes, and terrible PMT. I switched

to another cream, and my itching became dramatically worse. I gave up, and

swapped to Remifemin. My itching is still bad, I think the damage is going

to take some time to undo, but no more PMT, lots of energy, and general

feeling of well being. Still get those sore breasts though. didn't this

month, and wondering if its the diet. Another thing which concerns me is

that I am getting a burning of my bladder just before my period is due (last

2 months), wondering what the heck is causing this. You can't seem to win

at times. FIGHT, FIGHT FIGHT. I will not give up. That I am becoming more

convinced about. I am getting to the point that I think candida is my

enemy, and I will starve him to death, or me, whoever is first. Anger, well

directed, is a good motivator.

Another thing to mention, is after I had my first child, it was too painful

to have intercourse for 6 months. I thought that this was just because I

was torn and ripped inside, but then I got my period and it was fine

overnight. I have other friends who have had this also. It is supposed to

be caused by a lack of ESTROGEN.

Has anyone else had this? Hormones are annoying things if they are out of

kilter, and progesterone is only ONE of them. So yes, try to figure

out/find out which one you need first before taking it. Progesterone, and

the one you quoted as well, Pro-Gest it think, needs to altered in some

way to work properly. This is described by Dr Lee in his books, and

tells of the ones to take and the amounts. This is very important too. Too

much or too little will through the body out even more. Also, he recommends

skin creams, doctors here, and others as well, don't think this is a good

idea, the reasons being that I forget for now sorry, but tablets are

supposedly better. You would have to check it out with your doctor.

Hope this helps. Sorry to be a kill joy. Just thought it important for

people to know if they struggle with candida.

[Guest guest]

Stacey: with the pre. creme did you take a break?

[Guest guest]

:

I knew I had too much progesterone because I had been using the natural

progesterone cream for about two months, and then suddently began

experiencing excruciating abdominal cramps prior to my period, for about a

week. I also just didn't feel right. There was a point where I started

feeling pretty good- kind of balanced - then it just seemed to go downhill.

I had read about the symptoms of progesterone excess and extreme stomach

cramping and digestive troubles was one of them. Anyways, the stomach

cramping stopped after about a month of not using the Progesterone cream

Hope this helps,

Stacey

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 07/04/2001 1:11:43 AM Central Daylight Time,

ruthful@... writes:

> Edith, This is great info. I have never heard of progesterone causing

> dizziness. Do you know of any other excess progesterone symptoms?

>

Yes Donna,

Along with the dizziness, my nose runs like I have an allergy problem

and have incontinent problems....strange huh. Yesterday I took too much

flax oil and couple hours later I started having these symptoms. I was taking

a blend of herbs to boost the thyroid function and they made me feel this

same

way. I found out later it had bladderwrack in it....it has the same effect

on me. This is the reason I need the saliva hormone testing to see what's

happening.

Edith

[Guest guest]

Edith.............can you tell me what you are taking for thyroid function?

I lost 100 lbs last year and I'm slowly edging back up.........but not

overeating.

Do you have any suggestions? I walk 7+ miles a day, drink a gallon of water

a day, plus juice carrots and other vegies.

Thanks,

Sue

Re: progesterone

> In a message dated 07/04/2001 1:11:43 AM Central Daylight Time,

> ruthful@... writes:

>

>

> > Edith, This is great info. I have never heard of progesterone causing

> > dizziness. Do you know of any other excess progesterone symptoms?

> >

>

> Yes Donna,

>

> Along with the dizziness, my nose runs like I have an allergy problem

> and have incontinent problems....strange huh. Yesterday I took too much

> flax oil and couple hours later I started having these symptoms. I was

taking

> a blend of herbs to boost the thyroid function and they made me feel this

> same

> way. I found out later it had bladderwrack in it....it has the same

effect

> on me. This is the reason I need the saliva hormone testing to see

what's

> happening.

>

> Edith

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I know someone who couldn't carry a pregnancy at all.

Miscarriaged as far as 5 months and less. About 7 losses.

Until she went to one doctor that gave her a shot of

progesterone after loosing one of her babies again. After

that she got pregnant and carried full term. Had a healthy

girl and then shortly found she was pregnant with another.

Had another little healthy girl. The progesterone was

what was needed to support the body to maintain a long

term delivery.

Liz D

Re: Re: cleansing

parasites

Hi,

My name is Lynnda and I am new to

the group. Question...What is

homozone? and what is it used

for? I am getting ready to go on a

fast. In the past I have done juice

fast (over 9 years) and have

had

great success. My longest fast was

47 days. I am looking into

the

Lemonade cleans. I feel that there

are probably lots of toxins

and

heavy metals in me. We (DH and I)

bought a house 3 years ago and

ever

since then I have had problems with conceiving

and I have had 4

miscarriages in a row. One at 14

weeks (baby was 10 weeks), one

at 16

weeks, one at 8 weeks (blighted ovum) and the

last (just three

weeks

ago) at 20 weeks. I have had two

great pregnancies before all of

this.

We feel it is the house as it use to be an

funeral home. We just

learned two weeks ago that they did the

embalming in what is now

my

bathroom and closet. There is also

mold in the house. It was a

funeral

home for 35+ years. We are trying

to get the house tested yet no

one

will do it as it is too

extensive. The Doctor that I have been

seeing

even wrote a prescription to have the house

checked as he sees

nothing

wrong with me causing the deaths of my

babies. There is a toxin

test I

could do yet it cost $200.00 and we have no

insurance and DH just

started a new job so money is VERY tight right

now. So, that is

my

story. I will be starting my fast

Friday and planning on going

for 60

days. We shall see. : )

Lynnda

erh1@... wrote:

so if i feel fine and have no discernable

cleansing symptoms, i

can

up the dosage a little?

and the thing i take to move the bowels,

do you mean something

bulking like psyllium, or something

laxativing like cascara

sagrada?

or both? i just got some homozon. will

that work? speaking of

which.

is it normal for someone to have to take

alot to get it to work?

i'm

up to 4 teaspoons and i can't really tell

a difference.

thanks again

It is beneficial to pay attention to

how you are feeling and

adjust

the

dosages if necessary.

As was mentioned, you should be

taking something to move the

bowels. Two

times per day at a minimum, the more

the better.

Bob

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[Guest guest]

Celeste,

My sister has hypo. She said that the prescribed progesterone cream helped

her immensely.

Maybe someone else knows exactly why it seems to help.

Re: I have no libido... any suggestions?

> Gracia,

>

> Can you explain precisely how progesterone " helps thyroid " and what

> reliable information sources would collaborate that?

>

> Celeste

>

> Gracia wrote:

> > Don't believe the myth that since you don't have a uterus you don't

> need

> > progesterone. This hormone affects all your cells, and especially

> helps

> > thyroid.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your mail Ann. I would so much like to follow your advice, but South

Africa is a bit behind in many issues. Nowhere in SA can you have any testing

done on saliva. We don't have the technology for this. I had to send my saliva

sample to the USA to determine my secretor status. Naturopaths are very few and

far between. I'll have to do some serious thinking on this one. Thanks anyway!

Re: Black Cohosh/Hysterectomy

Hi Hilda,

I have a book by Dr. R. Lee, What Your doctor May Not Tell

You About Menopause. He recommends the use of natural

progesterone cream to replace your hormones. Sometimes he gives

patients an estrogen cream if he feels they need it. In his book

on page 247, he says " I have my patients wean themselves off HRT

gradually (over a period of three to four months) reducing their

dosage, while at the same time using progesterone cream. "

I hope this helps, at least it is something you can ask your

physician about. While not yet menopausal, I use progesterone

cream to help with PMS symptoms, and it seems to help. It is

something you would use for two to three weeks out of four. Look

into it.

Below are a couple of quotes from a site - of course they sell

natural progesterone cream. But it is what I have read

elsewhere.

Hope this is of some help. Kate in sunny So. CA

Why is NATURAL PROGESTERONE so important?

The fact, in industrialized countries like the United

States, most men and women have out-of-balance hormones.

According to Dr. Lee, the foremost authority on natural

hormone replacement with natural progesterone, the reason is that

there is an over-abundance of estrogen and estrogenic substances

in the food we eat and in our modern environment. " Estrogen

dominance, " as it is sometimes referred to, is a problem in the

U.S. Dr. Lee says that your body needs natural progesterone

to counter-balance the toxic effects of estrogen dominance.

The effects of estrogen dominance.

Harvard-trained Dr. Lee reports on his own research

as well as on research from around the world, and the troubling

effects of out-of-balance hormones due to the lack of NATURAL

PROGESTERONE in both men and women. These studies demonstrate

that PMS, menopause problems, osteoporosis, breast cancer,

fibroids and fibrocystic breasts have a direct correlation in

women with estrogen dominance. Dr. Lee reports that all

these issues are helped through the use of a good quality

natural progesterone cream.

Hilda Vosloo wrote:

> Hi . I found your mail on the Black Cohosh most

> interesting. I am only 33 now, but had a hist when I was 25.

> Although I still have both ovaries, I suspect that my hormone

> production is decreasing fast now. For the first time in my

> life I am battling with very dry skin and the irratibility we

> won't even discuss. sigh.......

>

> If Black Cohosh is the natural way out, I would love to try

> it. Just a pitty that they recommend it only for 6 months.

> What can we do for long term to avoid conventional HRT?

>

> Hilda

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/9/2002 10:49:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

msqhanna@... writes:

> Is there any documents I could take to the gyn

> to discuss taking progesterone and how it may

> effect my bad pap?

Hannah...lelanie(sp?) at blisscream.com has helped scores of women...her

consult is free...she is on tv with doug kauffman every week and works with

doctors in the latest tech that is non destructive....check it out

[Guest guest]

Are you serious? I didn't catch the earlier thread on this. My doctor is

recommending that I use progeterone cream. I just got it yesterday and was

considering beginning to use it asap as I am in the last 2 weeks of my cycle.

How does it make Candida flare up?

Joyce

Progesterone

Please be careful with this. Progesterone caused my candida.

Mic

>Progesterone cream

[Guest guest]

How does progesterone cause Candida? I'm just trying to understand how and why

it does. I understand that Prednisone does. I also was on years of

intermittent prednisone since about age 6 for asthma.

Thanks,

Joyce

Re: Progesterone

Progesterone and prednisone totally caused my candida... bad deal... big

time.

> Are you serious?? I didn't catch the earlier thread on this.? My doctor

>is recommending that I use progeterone cream.? I just got it yesterday

>and was considering beginning to use it asap as I am in the last 2 weeks

>of my cycle.? How does it make Candida flare up??

>Joyce

[Guest guest]

Progesterone and prednisone totally caused my candida... bad deal... big

time.

> Are you serious?† I didn't catch the earlier thread on this.† My doctor

>is recommending that I use progeterone cream.† I just got it yesterday

>and was considering beginning to use it asap as I am in the last 2 weeks

>of my cycle.† How does it make Candida flare up?†

>Joyce

[Guest guest]

Just as the birth control pill (hormones) cause candida growth,

progesterone does, as well. If you'd like, I can try to find info. on

that.

Mic

> How does progesterone cause Candida?† I'm just trying to understand how

>and why it does.† I understand that Prednisone does.† I also was on years

>of intermittent prednisone since about age 6 for asthma.†

>Thanks,

>Joyce

[Guest guest]

Joyce,

I found several posts with progesterone and candida, but it primarily

emphasizes a hormonal imbalance as being the cause, such a during

pregnancy.

Right now, I happen to experience an estrogen dominance, which will

also affect the candida, so I do use progesterone cream occasionally

during my cycle.

I'm posting an interesting list that I found about the causes of

Candida. I was especially interested in all of the references to

stress (equals cortisol release and adrenal depletion). I'm more and

more convinced that stress and internalizing are some of the major

trigger factors for an immune system breakdown.

Here is the excerpt that I found. www.candida-uk.com

Candida - What are the Causes?

On This Page:

What Causes Candida?

Understanding our Gut Flora

Leaky Gut and Liver Overload

----------------------------------------------------------------------

----------

Causes

By far the most likely is taking antibiotics , particularly when

combined with stress, but there are many other factors that will over

time, upset the " ecological balance " and the health of the lining in

our guts.

Antibiotics, especially the broad spectrum ones (such as Tetracycline

and Erythromycine) taken orally at a low dosage over long periods of

time, e.g. for acne, or several big doses in six months (perhaps from

your dentist or G.P.

Stress or trauma of any sort can cause pretty dramatic physical

changes in our guts. It makes it more alkaline, increases the rate of

flow which favours the 'bad bugs' and depletes the immunoglobulins

(especially SIg A) which form the first line of defence in our immune

system. So chronic stress will result in chronic gut problems.

Corticosteroidal medication, for asthma, eczema and rheumatoid

arthritis. These have a general depressive effect on the immune

system.

The Pill and HRT (hormone replacement therapy) behave as female sex

hormones in the body. Changing hormone levels is one of the main

reasons why 60% of candidiasis sufferers are women. The Pill and HRT

are often prescribed for the very menstrual problems that were

probably partly due to candidiasis in the first place.

Painkillers, NSAIDs (Non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs) can cause

inflammation of the gut wall and interfere with the production of

prostaglandins which protect the mucous lining of our guts from our

digestive acids and enzymes.

Poor diet. Click here: Nutrition

Stimulants and depressants (i.e. caffeine, nicotine, alcohol) exhaust

the adrenal glands, liver and pancreas and releases stored sugars

into the blood stream (providing more food for the candida.)

Diabetes means there will be more sugar in the blood and urine for

the yeasts to feed on.

Pregnancy sometimes means hormonal changes (higher progesterone) that

favour candida.

Eating disorders. Starvation, bingeing and purging through vomiting

or taking laxatives will all damage the friendly gut flora. The

candidiasis will then perpetuate the inability to lose weight and

food cravings.

Not being breast fed for the first 6 months. Formula milks will not

establish the correct gut flora, essential fatty acids, or such a

healthy immune system, meaning a cycle of infections and antibiotics

is more likely throughout childhood and beyond.

Old age the quality of the gut flora and of the gut lining tends to

deteriorate after middle age (why the E. Coli outbreaks affected the

older folk), though this can be reversed with an optimum diet.

Vaccinations and immunisations have been observed to trigger or

exacerbate chronic fatigue and candida if they are given while the

immune system is already stressed, or immature in the case of babies

and children.

> How does progesterone cause Candida? I'm just trying to understand

how and why it does. I understand that Prednisone does. I also was

on years of intermittent prednisone since about age 6 for asthma.

> Thanks,

> Joyce

> Re: Progesterone

>

>

> Progesterone and prednisone totally caused my candida... bad

deal... big

> time.

>

>

> > Are you serious?? I didn't catch the earlier thread on this.?

My doctor

> >is recommending that I use progeterone cream.? I just got it

yesterday

> >and was considering beginning to use it asap as I am in the last

2 weeks

> >of my cycle.? How does it make Candida flare up??

> >Joyce

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I wonder if anyone knows of an herb that control excessive monthly

bleeding??

Thanks in advance...

Kit

Hi Kit,

Have been just a lurker here, but if this helps you like it did me worth

chatting about. I don't know if you consume grains or not, but since I

have stopped I have went from 14 day monthly bleeding to 2-3. Not

to mention all the other symptoms. I have no pms, no cysts, no pain at

all. So if you eat grain you may want to give them up for a while and

see if that helps. Hard for most, but worth it in spades for me. And

believe me, I love bread. I even built a wood fired brick oven to bake

in!!

Take Care,

Ginger

[Guest guest]

Kit

What is a person suppose to do? I have extreme fatigue, anxiety, itchy,bloated,

irritable, aching muscles, hair loss, weight gain, high testoserone levels,

foggy thinking, etc. I am taking progestrone to loose weight. Maybe I should't.

Judi

progesterone

hello,

i just did a quick search of the archives and saw the various

postings on prog contributing to yeast. i've been on a low dose of

natural prog for at least 5 years now to control menstrual

hemoragghing. it's only been in the past year, though, that i've

been having recurring problems with yeast. i feel like i'm in a

catch-22; i need the prog. to control the excessive bleeding (plus it

does give you a great night's sleep!). but, i am so tired of feeling

sick and tired (and itchy, bloated, irritable, etc,etc)

I wonder if anyone knows of an herb that control excessive monthly

bleeding??

Thanks in advance...

Kit