Progesterone

[Guest guest]

Which nat prog do you use?

Jane

progesterone

> hello,

>

> i just did a quick search of the archives and saw the various

> postings on prog contributing to yeast. i've been on a low dose of

> natural prog for at least 5 years now to control menstrual

> hemoragghing. it's only been in the past year, though, that i've

> been having recurring problems with yeast. i feel like i'm in a

> catch-22; i need the prog. to control the excessive bleeding (plus it

> does give you a great night's sleep!). but, i am so tired of feeling

> sick and tired (and itchy, bloated, irritable, etc,etc)

>

> I wonder if anyone knows of an herb that control excessive monthly

> bleeding??

>

> Thanks in advance...

>

> Kit

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Evening Primrose Oil would help. But, I don't know if it would help

enough for you to go off the progesterone. You can give it a try. I

found after about 2 months, that it was really helping me.

> hello,

>

> i just did a quick search of the archives and saw the various

> postings on prog contributing to yeast. i've been on a low dose of

> natural prog for at least 5 years now to control menstrual

> hemoragghing. it's only been in the past year, though, that i've

> been having recurring problems with yeast. i feel like i'm in a

> catch-22; i need the prog. to control the excessive bleeding (plus

it

> does give you a great night's sleep!). but, i am so tired of

feeling

> sick and tired (and itchy, bloated, irritable, etc,etc)

>

> I wonder if anyone knows of an herb that control excessive monthly

> bleeding??

>

> Thanks in advance...

>

> Kit

[Guest guest]

Nothing helped for me. I had periods that lasted the whole month.. 54 days

once. I finally had an ablation. Painfree and it worked!!!! Leaves all your

parts intact. Progesterone didn't work for me.

Re: progesterone

Evening Primrose Oil would help. But, I don't know if it would help

enough for you to go off the progesterone. You can give it a try. I

found after about 2 months, that it was really helping me.

> hello,

>

> i just did a quick search of the archives and saw the various

> postings on prog contributing to yeast. i've been on a low dose of

> natural prog for at least 5 years now to control menstrual

> hemoragghing. it's only been in the past year, though, that i've

> been having recurring problems with yeast. i feel like i'm in a

> catch-22; i need the prog. to control the excessive bleeding (plus

it

> does give you a great night's sleep!). but, i am so tired of

feeling

> sick and tired (and itchy, bloated, irritable, etc,etc)

>

> I wonder if anyone knows of an herb that control excessive monthly

> bleeding??

>

> Thanks in advance...

>

> Kit

[Guest guest]

Judi

You sound like you could have thyroid problems or you may need to have your

hormone levels checked so you know what you need, this is the route I am

taking now.

Hormone inbalance causes candida i am convinced, I hope the natural

progesterone cream will sort my candida out once and for all. You do need

progesterone, doctors usually give oestrogen instead of progesterone and

this causes no end of probs

Jane

-- Re: progesterone

Kit

What is a person suppose to do? I have extreme fatigue, anxiety, itchy

bloated, irritable, aching muscles, hair loss, weight gain, high testoserone

levels, foggy thinking, etc. I am taking progestrone to loose weight. Maybe

I should't.

Judi

progesterone

hello,

i just did a quick search of the archives and saw the various

postings on prog contributing to yeast. i've been on a low dose of

natural prog for at least 5 years now to control menstrual

hemoragghing. it's only been in the past year, though, that i've

been having recurring problems with yeast. i feel like i'm in a

catch-22; i need the prog. to control the excessive bleeding (plus it

does give you a great night's sleep!). but, i am so tired of feeling

sick and tired (and itchy, bloated, irritable, etc,etc)

I wonder if anyone knows of an herb that control excessive monthly

bleeding??

Thanks in advance...

Kit

[Guest guest]

Thanks Lmommy

My estrogen is too high and I wanted to loose weight. About two years ago I was

taking projestrone cream as well and I did loose weight. So who knows whats

going on now. I am experiencing too much stress starting with work. Bad Bad work

environment. I am stuck in that job because I need the money and I can't find

anything else right now, due to the economy and my age.

Sooo, you are saying not to take projestrone, maybe I shoudn't until everything

else is under control. I did convince my HMO to give my a candida test. Miracle!

so we will see what happens.

Judi

progesterone

Judi,

Watch taking progesterone it makes Candida worst. I was put on a natural

progesterone that a naturalist pharmacist made into suppositories. I had so much

candida reaction that I went & looked up in my book The Yeast Connection & the

Women by Dr. Crook & it said progesterone feeds yeast. That is why women get

worse yeast problems after pregnancy. So make sure to use measures to kill yeast

& feed with good bacteria to keep the progesterone from harming you.

Blessings,

Lmommy

[Guest guest]

Judi,

Just pay real good attention to your body! I would try 1st vitamin B6 &

Evening Primrose Oil to see if that helps balance your hormones naturally.

Getting candida under control will help in balancing your hormones also. But, if

you watch your reactions to progesterone & start out small & slow & keep feeding

your good bacteria just like when having to take antibiotics you might be fine.

I need to lose weight also! Last time I went on a very strict candida diet &

antifungal routine I lost 40 lbs. Since, I have gained it back. I have tried to

loose it with just diet-- but that has not helped. I hope adding antifungals

will help me loose like last time. But, with getting older & with changing

yeasties things do change.

Lmommy

progesterone

Judi,

Watch taking progesterone it makes Candida worst. I was put on a natural

progesterone that a naturalist pharmacist made into suppositories. I had so much

candida reaction that I went & looked up in my book The Yeast Connection & the

Women by Dr. Crook & it said progesterone feeds yeast. That is why women get

worse yeast problems after pregnancy. So make sure to use measures to kill yeast

& feed with good bacteria to keep the progesterone from harming you.

Blessings,

Lmommy

[Guest guest]

Ok Lmommy, thanks very much. Where are you from? I'm from Portland, Oregon USA.

Judi

progesterone

Judi,

Watch taking progesterone it makes Candida worst. I was put on a natural

progesterone that a naturalist pharmacist made into suppositories. I had so much

candida reaction that I went & looked up in my book The Yeast Connection & the

Women by Dr. Crook & it said progesterone feeds yeast. That is why women get

worse yeast problems after pregnancy. So make sure to use measures to kill yeast

& feed with good bacteria to keep the progesterone from harming you.

Blessings,

Lmommy

[Guest guest]

Hi Ali;

I can agree but the thing is about the herbs, they do have specific

functions like you said, however what's driving the hormonal levels

downward is basically planned obolescence mandated by nature. The master

hormone behind that is growth hormone HGH and it isn't elevated with

herbs.

Without HGH levels up, people have a hard time healing, growing, etc...

so in our old age we see diabetes, obesity, high cholesterol, high blood

pressure, kidney failure, arthritis etc... all of which are connected to

low growth hormone levels.

It's much more elegant in terms of balance and effect to increase HGH for

awhile and then take a reading to determine what hormones are low if any

after the other glands get a chance to recover on their own.

We can't fix all the hormonal levels in the body with herbs anyway.

If you do intend to use herbs, try to get baseline readings so you're not

just guessing what you need. I know many doctors just guess and

prescribe, but specialists take readings so they have better than a guess

to work with.

Duncan Crow

>

> About the progesterone, the B6 and Evening Primrose Oils are good ways to

> balance your hormones - however I use Vitex Agnus Castus (Chaste Tree

> Extract). This is an adaptogen, so it balances you whichever way you need.

> The brand I use also contains vit. B6. Also, to help with my hormones I

> stay away from chicken (organic chicken looks awful, so I just don't have

> chicken at all now), and try to avoid hormone disruptors such as the

> chemicals in soft plastics.

>

> Ali

[Guest guest]

Judi,

I always wanted to see Oregon :-)

I'm in N. Texas USA

Lmommy

[Guest guest]

Hi Diane

Depends on which cream you used, not all of them are any good, it would have to

be NATURAL cream and one of the ones Dr Lee recommends in his book.

The one I get is Serenity and comes from the US.

I appreciate it doesn't work for everyone, but how can anyone know unless they

try it. I am getting worse but then again the booklet warned this as initially

you get an increase in oestrogen dominance symtoms, so I am persevering with it

as I really believe in it. It also says that some women need oestrogen cream

too, if their symtoms don't improve on the progesterone.

I use other things too, Candex+, good quality supplements etc, I don't think the

cream is the total answer by any means but at least it's not doing me any harm.

About thyroid, if nothing works well with it, why are people getting well

treating their thyroid, I know many who are doing, just as with the cream. I

don't want to take any drugs unless absolutely essential, I prefer the natural

approach.

Regards

Jane

Message: 7

Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 10:11:28 -0600

From: Diane Trudeau <dianatrudeau@...>

Subject: progesterone

I tried the progesterone cream, against my doctor's wishes. You can only get it

at compounding pharmacies here and I found a doctor who would write the script

for me. It did not work for me. It seems, from what I saw on the board I was

on at the time, that it helps with maybe 50% of women. And then, it helped

mainly if they were also using other things. All it did was make me sleepy. I

know, I know, Oprah is on it now, it must be the greatest. For the periods, I

finally had an ablation, which seems to have worked well.

Nothing seems to really help with thyroid, and honestly, I wonder at times if we

just don't blame everything on it that doesn't really belong there.

[Guest guest]

It should say USP progesterone on the ingre.

I used Pro-Gest for years.

progesterone

Anyone have any suggestions on progesterone cream?I saw Natures Bounty

brand at Wa-Mart but it doesn't say anything about being natural or

" bio-identical " ??I have gone completely off my thyroid meds and I am

treating myself for adrenal problems.So far with the vits I am taking,I

feel better and I now need to treat for estrogen dominance.Any advice is

appreciated,Deneen:)

[Guest guest]

Make sure to read the labels to find that there INSN'T any Parabens in the

cream. Like Methylparaben, Propylparaben and so on.

Bonnie

Re: Weight Gain

go online and find info on progesterone cream only buy USD progesterone tho ..

look for Dr Lee, he is the information on this subject has written books etc on

it . I order mine online form a company Bio Nutritional phone #631-694-9777 the

oner i get is Dr Lee approved called Pure-Gest. every woman of every age weather

menopausale or not needs this ..

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From: Alobar <Alobar@...>

You might want to try cutting out all pasta and bread.

Alobar

On 10/26/06, Jackie <jacqueline33875@...> wrote:

> I have cut down on pastas, breads and no chips. i eat pretty well. i have a

hand full of

> different nuts everyday, not a whole bunch, i know they are also high in

fat. i have grilled

> chicken, boiled eggs x1, no soda only water purified and green tea no sugar.

i am just a weirdo i

> guess!!! i am 37 so my doctor thinks it is my hormones???????? great. should

i just keep on

> with the 3 tbsp per day or cut down?

>

[Guest guest]

A number of people have become progesterone dominant from overdosing or taking progesterone for long periods of time. See www.rhythmicliving.com for the case histories and scientific info. Hair-thinning, belly fat fragmented sleep and lethargy are often symptoms.

Progesterone can have a four month half-life and build-up in the body. See Bent Formby, PhD's work on the above website.

Lynne

[Guest guest]

Hi, I too find progesterone a great benefit. In your research did

you find Progest-E the better product out on the market?

Kathleen

>

> I did a lot of research on progesterone and believe it is hard to

> take too much. I buy Progest-E (betterlife used to have it -

> otherwise kenogen maybe) It is progesterone in a vitamin E oil

and

> you rub 3 drops on your gums. That should give yuo 10 mg.

>

> When women are pregnant their bodies produce over 400 mg in the

late

> stages with no detrimental effect to them. It protects the baby

from

> stress and as a side result usually gives the mother great skin

and

> nails until she has the baby and the progesterone drops. Some

people

> say they feel fantastic when pregnant and this is the reason as

the

> progesterone helps the mother with stress as well.

>

> From what I understand just about everyone, men and women are

> estrogen dominant as a result of plastics and fumes from the tar

off

> the road and thousands of other things in our environment mimicing

> estrogen and causing all sorts of problems. The only way I know

to

> balance that is to take progesterone. You keep taking as much as

you

> need to conquer the symptoms of estrogen dominance. Sometimes it

> takes a few months as the estrogen fights the progesterone and

> initially making symptoms worse.

>

> After taking Progest-E for 3 years I know how much to take.

(Usually

> 3 drops a day) It has conquered my depression once and for all and

> when I have a break from it through forgetting or just deciding

to,

> my spirits go down and I am so pleased to give myself the

happiness

> boost again.

>

> Lots of my friends are also taking it to good effect. Even one

man

> who is delighted with the lifting of his depression after 20 years.

>

> I have been taking two iodoral a day for the last 2 months along

with

> the progesterone without any bad effects.

>

> Also if you add in pregnenolene you have the cortisol precursors

> which is pregnenolene and progesterone.

>

> Toni

>

[Guest guest]

The xenoestrogens don't act like estrogen in your body though. They block

the estrogen receptor sites, so you can still have symptoms of low estrogen.

You can detox the xenoestrogens, rather than just taking high amounts of

progesterone to try to balance it.

I tried taking progesterone, and it did not help many of my symtpoms. My

labs look like my P E & T are balanced, though all on the low-side of

normal. I had a nother set of labs run where you calculate estradiol and

estriol, and that calculation showed that I am estrogen-dominant, even

though my symptosm are screaming low estrogen. So I'm detoxing, and

currently taking an E & P cream (two nights so far). So far a couple of the

symptoms are gone anyway, and I'll know in a week or so if the worst symptom

goes with it as well (incontinence).

I do know people who have taken progesterone cream and ended up with

extremely high levels of progesterone, without any help with their symptoms.

Best,

http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com

http://www.CurlyRescue.com

A boy can learn a lot from a dog: obedience, loyalty, and the importance of

turning around three times before lying down.

-- Benchley

> From what I understand just about everyone, men and women are

> estrogen dominant as a result of plastics and fumes from the tar off

> the road and thousands of other things in our environment mimicing

> estrogen and causing all sorts of problems. The only way I know to

> balance that is to take progesterone. You keep taking as much as you

> need to conquer the symptoms of estrogen dominance. Sometimes it

> takes a few months as the estrogen fights the progesterone and

> initially making symptoms worse.

>

[Guest guest]

Synthetic Progesterone isn't good for you. There is no

evidence that bioidentical Progesterone is harmful -

in fact bioidentical Progesterone shuts down cancer

cells, whereas Estrogen facilitates them. Progesterone

kills endometriosis and fibroids, whereas Estrogen

facilitates them and even causes them.

Women make up to 400 mg. of Progesterone per day when

pregnant, for years and years and years straight

sometimes, and have no ill effects from it.

In the experience of the Women's International

Pharmacy and several women I know myself - including

me - who have had to take amounts of bioidentical

Progesterone that are beyond " normal " amounts, there

have not been any ill effects for these women, nor

have I ever had any ill effects.

The thing is to keep the hormones in balance.

Sometimes there is a need to take what is thought of

as a larger amount of Progesterone than usual, such as

when there is endo or fibroids, or when a woman is

very Estrogen Dominant (like me) - I use 240 mg. per

day, and if I take any less I begin hemorrhaging

during my periods, and will have foggy thinking, sore

breasts, carb cravings, irritability, depression,

insomnia, etc. the rest of the time. I know, I've

tried cutting back during all three phases of my

cycle, and that's the result every single time.

So what does that mean? It means that my Estrogen is

so high (and especially my xenoestrogens) that it

takes that much Progesterone to balance it out so that

I don't have those symptoms. It looks like a very high

amount of Progesterone, but it's what's needed, and I

have suffered no ill effects from it whatsoever -

actually huge benefits. No D & C's, no blood

transfusions, no continued weight gain from carb

cravings (and I mean MONSTER cravings, not some

ordinary run of the mill cravings - now completely

gone), no depression, no sore breasts.

So it's got to be kept in perspective. What one women

needs that might seem like a huge amount, is actually

just what her body needs in order to balance. And even

at this amount I haven't come close to what pregnant

women produce every day for years in a row sometimes.

But then, I don't need to. I take what I need for

symptom relief and no more. Even if that does seem

like a huge amount to people.

There ARE women who seem to have problems with

naturally occurring high Progesterone levels in their

bodies, and they report horrid headaches during the

second part of their cycles, insomnia, nausea, sore

breasts, unclear thinking, and all kinds of nasty

symptoms. There are several women like this on some of

the lists I'm on. Why this happens for them is pretty

much a mystery. Their symptoms are actually Estrogen

Dominance symptoms, yet they are not Estrogen

Dominant, but Progesterone Dominant.

So that's a mystery, and I haven't yet heard a good

explanation from anyone including health professionals

as to why these women are making so much

Progesterone/and/or not using the Progesterone that

they're making..........ah HA! That might be it there!

They have so much Progesterone built up in their

system because they keep producing it, but they AREN'T

USING IT - thus they still have Estrogen Dominant

symptoms because they basically ARE Estrogen Dominant

since their Progesterone in their bodies isn't being

utilized and their Estrogen is! Hmmmm! Interesting! I

bet that's it. So these women need to find out if and

why their Progesterone isn't being used in their

bodies.

Anyway, that's enough thoughts on Progesterone for the

day, but the thing to remember is balance. Whatever

amount it takes to achieve balance between the

hormones, is just what it takes. In my case, being

overweight has caused me to me a regular little

estrogen factory - it's actually built up in my fat

cells and making even MORE estrogen in there, so if

you are overweight, *finger point coming* - LOSE IT.

Which is much easier to do now that the Progesterone

has killed the carb cravings. Now I just have to learn

to like the treadmill, lol.

Also, I think this had better be linked to something

to do with Iodine, or it's waaaaay off topic for this

list, and we'll get warned soon. Speaking of which, I

started taking Iodoral yesterday and am waiting to see

how it will affect my reproductive system, including

my ovarian cysts. I wonder if it will also have an

impact on my over the top Estrogen production, even

the xenoestrogens being re-produced in the fat cells?

That would be NICE.

--- Parashis <artpages@...> wrote:

> I've had breast cancer and consulted a health

> practitioner who I

> believe in because of the health programs she has on

> npr in which she

> brings many people of note to speak.

>

> She has a view that is different from yours. She

> thinks hormones should

> be tested for first (saliva tests, not blood tests)

> and then adjusted

> to just the right amount. Too much progesterone is

> not good for you and

> cause symptoms also. I'm afraid I have a bad memory

> so can't quote.

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Also, I meant to add something else. Dr. Lee was

ASSUMING that larger amounts than normal Progesterone

would have negative side effects - he states in his

studies that he had NO ACTUAL EXPERIENCE OR TESTS that

showed this - and he based his assumption, if I

remember right (someone correct me if I'm wrong) on

what synthetic Progesterone does.

--- Parashis <artpages@...> wrote:

> I've had breast cancer and consulted a health

> practitioner who I

> believe in because of the health programs she has on

> npr in which she

> brings many people of note to speak.

>

> She has a view that is different from yours. She

> thinks hormones should

> be tested for first (saliva tests, not blood tests)

> and then adjusted

> to just the right amount. Too much progesterone is

> not good for you and

> cause symptoms also. I'm afraid I have a bad memory

> so can't quote.

>

> I strongly recommend going to her web site to see

> the list of CD's she

> has from her shows. Also read Dr. Lee's book, " What

> Your Doctor May Not

> Have Told You About Breast Cancer " whether you've

> had cancer or not.

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I am on a supplement regimen through VitaRoyal (www.vitaroyal.com). I think

the main supplement for detoxing the xeno's is DIM, but I'm also taking

Essiac tea twice a day, plus other supplements, including B12, B5, Magnesium

chelate, Jiaogulan tea, Guifinisen, Marcozymes, a C called Super Gram 3, her

own multi mix called Adaptive Advantages, A & D, Alpha Lipoic Acid...

I am feeling quite abit better after starting on this program. She did say

it could take quite some time to detox all of it out, sometimes over a year

(I guess that would depend on what you've been exposed to through your

life).

Best,

http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com

http://www.CurlyRescue.com

A boy can learn a lot from a dog: obedience, loyalty, and the importance of

turning around three times before lying down.

-- Benchley

>

> I have xenoestrogen problems - how are you detoxing

> from it? I've started on Iodoral yesterday mainly for

> my ovarian cysts but am wondering if this will have

> any effect on the xenoestrogens at all?

> If I remember right, xenoestrogens are known to

> contribute to creating such conditions as ovarian

> cysts.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I don't agree with the four month half life. In my

experience, Progesterone has a half-life of about 12

hours.

I know this myself because I have to take it to

prevent hemmorhaging, and if I forget even one dose 12

hours apart, the symptoms return.

If I forget a whole day's worth (2 doses 12 hours

apart) other symptoms begin to return such as sore

breasts, carb cravings, mood down, insomnia,

irritability.

Hair thinning, belly fat, etc. are Estrogen Dominant

symptoms, not Progesterone. Those symptoms are the

complete opposite of Progesterone.

What might be happening in some of these cases is that

the Progesterone receptors stop uptaking the

Progesterone when overlarge (and not actually needed

by the body) amounts of Progesterone are repeatedly

taken over a long period of time, and that shuts down

the receptors which enables Estrogen to then come in

and take over (they share the same receptors, but only

one hormone can be on each receptor at a time).

Thus, Estrogen Dominance can result, and that's what

those symptoms are - they aren't Progesterone Dominant

symptoms.

Even so, this is very very rare that the receptors

would " down regulate " for Progesterone, and even

Lee said that he was just assuming it would happen,

but had no experience himself with it happening in all

his many trials and tests. But I think it can happen

when a person takes too much Progesterone for too long

in proportions that their body DOESN'T need for

balance between Estrogen and Progesterone.

But again, that's very subjective - I take what is

considered WAY over the " normal " amount of

Progesterone. 240 mgs. because that's how Estrogen

Dominant I am - I hemorrhage at any less than that,

among other symptoms of too much Estrogen and my body

needs exactly that much 240 mg. in order to stay

balanced between the Estrogen and Progesterone.

So I'd say don't go by some preset idea of what

" normal " is for an amount of Progesterone to take.

Rather, go by what your body needs and by symptoms.

It's good to have a baseline test done to see where

the levels are, and to know what the body " normally "

puts out when not pregnant, but these tests for

Estrogen levels don't usually take into account

xenoestrogens either, which are what is causing ME to

have to take so much Progesterone to balance it out.

My regular Estradiol is not that high.

--- Lynne234923@... wrote:

>

> A number of people have become progesterone dominant

> from overdosing or

> taking progesterone for long periods of time. See

> _www.rhythmicliving.com_

> (http://www.rhythmicliving.com) for the case

> histories and scientific info.

> Hair-thinning, belly fat fragmented sleep and

> lethargy are often symptoms.

>

> Progesterone can have a four month half-life and

> build-up in the body. See

> Bent Formby, PhD's work on the above website.

>

> Lynne

>

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Thanks !

--- Ives <mives@...> wrote:

> I am on a supplement regimen through VitaRoyal

> (www.vitaroyal.com). I think

> the main supplement for detoxing the xeno's is DIM,

> but I'm also taking

> Essiac tea twice a day, plus other supplements,

> including B12, B5, Magnesium

> chelate, Jiaogulan tea, Guifinisen, Marcozymes, a C

> called Super Gram 3, her

> own multi mix called Adaptive Advantages, A & D, Alpha

> Lipoic Acid...

>

> I am feeling quite abit better after starting on

> this program. She did say

> it could take quite some time to detox all of it

> out, sometimes over a year

> (I guess that would depend on what you've been

> exposed to through your

> life).

> Best,

>

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[Guest guest]

why not look on http://www.womensinternational.com for accepted ranges for using progesterone? I use 250mg P every day! as well as E and T.

Gracia

Also, I meant to add something else. Dr. Lee wasASSUMING that larger amounts than normal Progesteronewould have negative side effects - he states in hisstudies that he had NO ACTUAL EXPERIENCE OR TESTS thatshowed this - and he based his assumption, if Iremember right (someone correct me if I'm wrong) onwhat synthetic Progesterone does.

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what I found interesting to read in Hypothyroisism Type 2 the Epidemic by Mark Starr MD is that hypos are often estrogen deficient, even in their 20s! I knew hypos needed progesterone. This explained why I really needed sex hormones and goes along with low adrenal function.

I totally gave up on saliva testing. Once I was using hormones, the tests weren't accurate. But this is another big debate.

Gracia

I've had breast cancer and consulted a health practitioner who I believe in because of the health programs she has on npr in which she brings many people of note to speak. She has a view that is different from yours. She thinks hormones should be tested for first (saliva tests, not blood tests) and then adjusted to just the right amount. Too much progesterone is not good for you and cause symptoms also. I'm afraid I have a bad memory so can't quote.

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By the way Gracia, in my last reply to your message I

don't mean to sound so crabby - the reason I'm so

adamant about it is that I've had to fight several

pharmacists and doctors to be able to get the amount

of Progesterone I need to prevent hemmorhage among

other things.

EVEN while they could SEE that this is what happens to

me when I don't get 240 mg. of Progesterone they were

unwilling to prescribe it - they'd rather see me have

to have D & C's and blood transfusions and become so

anemic it's not funny, than prescribe the amount of

Progesterone I need and which they consider " too much "

and that based on SYNTHETIC progesterone information,

too.

I did finally find a good doctor and pharmacist who

know their stuff, and am having no further problems

like that. BUT, my memory is long, and I have a

reaction of railing against any " accepted limits " now

no matter who it comes from, as far as Progesterone is

concerned, and even if I do fall within their accepted

range. So forgive my being so adamant about it, but

I've suffered the ignorance of doctors on this for way

too long and won't put up with it anymore.

Also, I am really looking forward to seeing how the

Iodoral will affect this all too, because I know that

it does but I don't know the specifics. Im hoping for

some alleviation of symptoms, some correcting through

balancing in whatever manner the Iodoral helps these

other functions balance.

--- Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

>

> why not look on http://www.womensinternational.com

> for accepted ranges for using progesterone? I use

> 250mg P every day! as well as E and T.

> Gracia

>

> Also, I meant to add something else. Dr. Lee

> was

> ASSUMING that larger amounts than normal

> Progesterone

> would have negative side effects - he states in

> his

> studies that he had NO ACTUAL EXPERIENCE OR TESTS

> that

> showed this - and he based his assumption, if I

> remember right (someone correct me if I'm wrong)

> on

> what synthetic Progesterone does.

>

>

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yeah I am with you, I understand, that's why I posted WIP. Many sourses say what you (and me) are taking is just fine.

Gracia

By the way Gracia, in my last reply to your message Idon't mean to sound so crabby - the reason I'm soadamant about it is that I've had to fight severalpharmacists and doctors to be able to get the amountof Progesterone I need to prevent hemmorhage amongother things. EVEN while they could SEE that this is what happens tome when I don't get 240 mg. of Progesterone they wereunwilling to prescribe it - they'd rather see me haveto have D & C's and blood transfusions and become soanemic it's not funny, than prescribe the amount ofProgesterone I need and which they consider "too much"and that based on SYNTHETIC progesterone information,too.I did finally find a good doctor and pharmacist whoknow their stuff, and am having no further problemslike that. BUT, my memory is long, and I have areaction of railing against any "accepted limits" nowno matter who it comes from, as far as Progesterone isconcerned, and even if I do fall within their acceptedrange. So forgive my being so adamant about it, butI've suffered the ignorance of doctors on this for waytoo long and won't put up with it anymore.Also, I am really looking forward to seeing how theIodoral will affect this all too, because I know thatit does but I don't know the specifics. Im hoping forsome alleviation of symptoms, some correcting throughbalancing in whatever manner the Iodoral helps theseother functions balance.

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So I am curious, what do the high doses of progesterone do to your blood

levels? Are you now high?

Irene

At 10:41 AM 11/12/2006, you wrote:

By the way Gracia, in my last

reply to your message I

don't mean to sound so crabby - the reason I'm so

adamant about it is that I've had to fight several

pharmacists and doctors to be able to get the amount

of Progesterone I need to prevent hemmorhage among

other things.

EVEN while they could SEE that this is what happens to

me when I don't get 240 mg. of Progesterone they were

unwilling to prescribe it - they'd rather see me have

to have D & C's and blood transfusions and become so

anemic it's not funny, than prescribe the amount of

Progesterone I need and which they consider " too much "

and that based on SYNTHETIC progesterone information,

too.

I did finally find a good doctor and pharmacist who

know their stuff, and am having no further problems

like that. BUT, my memory is long, and I have a

reaction of railing against any " accepted limits " now

no matter who it comes from, as far as Progesterone is

concerned, and even if I do fall within their accepted

range. So forgive my being so adamant about it, but

I've suffered the ignorance of doctors on this for way

too long and won't put up with it anymore.

Also, I am really looking forward to seeing how the

Iodoral will affect this all too, because I know that

it does but I don't know the specifics. Im hoping for

some alleviation of symptoms, some correcting through

balancing in whatever manner the Iodoral helps these

other functions balance.

--- Gracia <circe@...>

wrote:

>

> why not look on

http://www.womensinternational.com

> for accepted ranges for using progesterone? I use

> 250mg P every day! as well as E and T.

> Gracia

>

> Also, I meant to add something else. Dr. Lee

> was

> ASSUMING that larger amounts than normal

> Progesterone

> would have negative side effects - he states in

> his

> studies that he had NO ACTUAL EXPERIENCE OR TESTS

> that

> showed this - and he based his assumption, if I

> remember right (someone correct me if I'm wrong)

> on

> what synthetic Progesterone does.

>

>

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