Progesterone

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what is in the blood and what is getting into cells can be two different things. Supposedly testing from AAL labs http://www.antibodyassay.com is able to see what is going on in the cells.

gracia

So I am curious, what do the high doses of progesterone do to your blood levels? Are you now high?Irene

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(1) You need to read the scientific literature on progesterone's possible bad side effects such as androgen-like symptoms and depression.

(2) You need to look at the reports of women who didn't have hair thinning, belly fat, depression, etc., symptoms until taking progesterone.

I respect your personal experience with progesterone but please do not generalize from it and presume you can explain away everybody's experience as estrogen dominance. Consider that many of us have been using and studying hormones for a very long time and read the scientific material. We don't have all the answers. But we have been around long enough not to fasten onto one theory of the universe before waiting at least two or three decades.

L

writes:

Hair thinning, belly fat, etc. are Estrogen Dominantsymptoms, not Progesterone. Those symptoms are thecomplete opposite of Progesterone.

[Guest guest]

Yes that is true of most things. The thing I am curious about is what

happens to the blood levels when you treat anything to symptoms rather

than the blood tests. That goes for thyroid as well. So if you test

normal and supplement anyway to treat symptoms what happens to blood

levels. Do you find that blood levels are high without experiencing

symptoms of excess? Do the blood levels stay normal because the

absorbtion by the cells is better. I am not arguing that you shouldn't

treat to symptoms. I was just trying to correlate the two.

Irene

At 11:20 AM 11/12/2006, you wrote:

what is in the blood and what is getting into cells can be two

different things. Supposedly testing from AAL labs

http://www.antibodyassay.com

is able to see what is going on in the cells.

gracia

So I am curious, what do the high doses of progesterone do to your blood levels? Are you now high?

Irene

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Yes, but they were HIGH-doing progesterone, according to the " Wiley

Protocol " :

" ...few women ever experience side effects with 25mg, but when

progesterone is prescribed 82,00mg per month our experience has shown

the results can be catostrophic....Wiley Protocol calls for 350mg

transdermal progesterone (the late Lee, MD called for 25 mg)... "

That's very different than what I think the original poster wants to

do (similar to Dr. Lee's protocol? I don't have her original message

in front of me).

> A number of people have become progesterone dominant from overdosing

or taking progesterone for long periods of time. See

_www.rhythmicliving.com_

> (http://www.rhythmicliving.com) for the case histories and

scientific info.

> Hair-thinning, belly fat fragmented sleep and lethargy are often

symptoms. Progesterone can have a four month half-life and build-up in

the body. See

> Bent Formby, PhD's work on the above website.

>

> Lynne

>

[Guest guest]

Here's a whole page on Progesterone Receptor

Antibodies, most of it involving rabbits and mousies:

http://www.abcam.com/index.html?t=7910 & pt=1 & c=3398

Very Cool!!!!

--- Bill Kingsbury <b.b.bb@...> wrote:

>

> test for: progesterone receptor antibodies ?

>

>

> At 08:43 AM 11/12/2006, JD wrote:

> >

> >So that's a mystery, and I haven't yet heard a good

> >explanation from anyone including health

> professionals

> >as to why these women are making so much

> >Progesterone/and/or not using the Progesterone that

> >they're making..........ah HA! That might be it

> there!

> >

> >They have so much Progesterone built up in their

> >system because they keep producing it, but they

> AREN'T

> >USING IT - thus they still have Estrogen Dominant

> >symptoms because they basically ARE Estrogen

> Dominant

> >since their Progesterone in their bodies isn't

> being

> >utilized and their Estrogen is! Hmmmm! Interesting!

> I

> >bet that's it. So these women need to find out if

> and

> >why their Progesterone isn't being used in their

> >bodies.

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I've had breast cancer and consulted a health practitioner who I

believe in because of the health programs she has on npr in which she

brings many people of note to speak.

She has a view that is different from yours. She thinks hormones should

be tested for first (saliva tests, not blood tests) and then adjusted

to just the right amount. Too much progesterone is not good for you and

cause symptoms also. I'm afraid I have a bad memory so can't quote.

I strongly recommend going to her web site to see the list of CD's she

has from her shows. Also read Dr. Lee's book, " What Your Doctor May Not

Have Told You About Breast Cancer " whether you've had cancer or not.

The tape of the time she had him on her show is called

2/19/02

What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Breast Cancer

Physician Dr. Lee, MD (www.johnleemd.com) and biochemist Dr.

Zava, PhD (www.salivatest.com) discuss their new book on why

conventional treatments don't work

And Other good tapes :

2/1/05

Hormone Replacement: How, Who, and When

Health educator Layna Berman discusses recommendations for hormone

replacement for both sexes.

4/17/01

The Dangers of Hormone Overdose

On Nov 12, 2006, at 4:51 AM, kathleen_nick42 wrote:

Her web site is yourownhealthandfitness.com

> Hi, I too find progesterone a great benefit. In your research did

> you find Progest-E the better product out on the market?

> Kathleen

>

>

>>

>> I did a lot of research on progesterone and believe it is hard to

>> take too much.

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[Guest guest]

>From: JD <ybr1959@...>

>Also, I meant to add something else. Dr. Lee was

>ASSUMING that larger amounts than normal Progesterone

>would have negative side effects - he states in his

>studies that he had NO ACTUAL EXPERIENCE OR TESTS that

>showed this - and he based his assumption, if I

>remember right (someone correct me if I'm wrong) on

>what synthetic Progesterone does.

Though I'm not going to look for it, I believe he had experience with people

on large doses of progesterone cream. Not at his recommendation, but

because they were taking OTC creams with large amounts of progesterone in

them.

He tended to think beyond a certain point it was as if they felt a lot like

they hadn't taken any progesterone at all.

That doesn't mean everyone taking large doses is going to be in bad shape

from it, but it does mean one should exercise caution and make sure they

really need large doses if that's what they're taking. Especially, if

they're also taking the hormones that progesterone should be converting into

along with it.

Not everyone does better on large doses of Armour Thyroid. Some people only

need a very small amount. Yet, too small a dose for the individual can

actually increase hypo symptoms. Some people are helped by a quarter grain,

some people can take 18 or 20 grains and not be harmed.

Progesterone may be that way too.

As well as iodine. Some have reported having side effects at 50 mg, but not

at 25.

Never forget everyone has unique needs, because our chemistry is not all

exactly the same, not is our diet.

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>

> I am on Natural Progesterone Cream because my hormones are out of

> balance. Is this something I should stay on with the diet?

>

==>Hi Lynn. If you have candida your hormones will be out of

balance. This is because candida toxins cause all of the body's cells

to go rigid, which means even hormones your body can produce are not

as able to get into the cells where they are needed to do their job.

When you cure candida your hormones will balance out again. Dr.

Mercola only recommends taking progesterone cream if you are tested

because it is way too easy to get too much. Do a search at

www.mercola.com

The best, Bee

[Guest guest]

Hi

> Anyone use progesterone when they are post menopausal, low

estrogen,

> and not yet on any thyroid meds? Did it help or make things worse?

I started to use natural progesterone a couple of years ago (I am 60

now) post menopausal because I had high oestrogen levels. Estrogen

dominance can give a lot of awful symptoms.

From what I have researched, adding progesterone cannot do you any

harm if you keep within the dosing levels. The effects of an overdose

of natural progesterone would make you sleepy. If you have low

oestrogen, I would think that you could use a little for balance, as

after the menopause progesterone levels reduce to zero.

I apply a 1/8 tsp in the morning and 1/8 before I go to bed. You

could try starting with half of 1/8 tsp twice a day - or even one

dose of half of 1/8 tsp before going to bed. You should feel some

positive effects after about 3-4 weeks.

B

[Guest guest]

Members here usually start using progesterone cream because they have a high oestrogen reading. Taking Progesterone helps balance out the hormone levels. It is usually of great benefit to hypothyroid women.

luv - Sheila

Hi > Anyone use progesterone when they are post menopausal, low estrogen, > and not yet on any thyroid meds? Did it help or make things worse? I started to use natural progesterone a couple of years ago (I am 60 now) post menopausal because I had high oestrogen levels. Estrogen dominance can give a lot of awful symptoms. From what I have researched, adding progesterone cannot do you any harm if you keep within the dosing levels. The effects of an overdose of natural progesterone would make you sleepy. If you have low oestrogen, I would think that you could use a little for balance, as after the menopause progesterone levels reduce to zero. I apply a 1/8 tsp in the morning and 1/8 before I go to bed. You could try starting with half of 1/8 tsp twice a day - or even one dose of half of 1/8 tsp before going to bed. You should feel some positive effects after about 3-4 weeks. B

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>

> Members here usually start using progesterone cream because they

>have a high oestrogen reading. Taking Progesterone helps balance

>out

>the hormone levels. It is usually of great benefit to hypothyroid

>women.

Thanks Sheila

I have low estrogen. This time last year it was normal(saliva tests)

but the latest test showed low <46 (range up to 172), although that

was a blood test. My progesterone was above range last year.

Would it still be ok for me, do you think? Why is it of particular

benefit to hypo women?

I was wondering about estrogen supplementation because I'm desperate

to lose this brain fog and I thought it might be due to losing my

ovaries. Although I know it could just as well be thyroid.

I can't get to see Dr P again til June but while on the phone to him

about thyroid matters I asked him about taking estrogen and he said

to find out what I could about progesterone instead.

Thanks again

x

[Guest guest]

Hi , the following may help.

YOUR hormones are the most powerful chemicals in your body, regulating everything from your energy levels to your fertility and any imbalance can wreak havoc with your health.

Here is a potted guide to what some of the main ones do, what high or low levels can mean to your body and steps you can take yourself to try and get your hormones back in balance.

Thyroxine: Produced by the thyroid gland, speeds up the metabolism of cells. While low levels of thyroxine are rare, an under-active thyroid can lead to weight gain, extreme tiredness and slight thickening of the skin. The thyroid gland also triggers the menstrual cycle.

Self-help: Try eating more red meat as thyroxine depends on the amino acid tyrosine which is found in protein. If symptoms are severe see your GP. A low dose of thyroxine is sometimes prescribed.

Oestrogen and Progesterone: The balance between the two female reproductive hormones is crucial, affecting how women feel both at menstruation and through the menopause. High levels of oestrogen are more common today because women have around three times as many periods as their ancestors as they spend less time pregnant. The symptoms show in heavy periods and cause weight gain around the hips. High levels have been linked with breast cancer. While men produce very little oestrogen there is evidence that levels are rising, leading to an increase in male infertility and boy babies born with undescended testes. Low levels of oestrogen are linked to osteoporosis, fertility problems, hot flushes and vaginal dryness.

Progesterone is higher in the second half of a woman's monthly cycle after ovulation. It is often common for women to feel bloated, for skin to become spottier and for a drop in libido.

Fluctuating levels of the two hormones can cause severe mood swings and depression and in turn affect the pituitary gland and the level of endorphins, the mood enhancing or 'happy' hormones, in your body.

Self help: increase your intake of soya, eating at least one portion a day.

Japanese women whose diets were traditionally rich in soya suffer little from PMT or menopausal problems and levels of breast cancer are much lower. Soya contains isoflavins (oestrogen like plant compounds) which are known to decrease hormone related cancers and reduce menopausal symptoms including hot flushes. Tofu is the richest source, but also try and eat more citrus fruits, oats, fennel and rhubarb. Ginseng and liquorice are also thought to help balance these two hormones, correcting levels whether too high or too low. Yams are rich in diosgenin, from which progesterone can be produced in the lab. Vitamin B6 can help reduce mood swings and Evening Primrose Oil is known to help menopausal symptoms. The Pill can also help balance hormone levels, see your GP and don't be afraid to ask to switch brands if symptoms are not relieved.

Testosterone: The male hormone produced in the testicles and responsible for male characteristics such as muscle bulk and facial hair. It also controls the sex drive and plays a part in energy levels and circulation.

After the age of 30 testosterone levels in men begin to gradually decline and can lead to what is now being described as the ''male menopause.''

As in the female menopause symptoms include hot flushes, tiredness and a lack of libido and a general lack of virility and vitality.

Women also need small amounts of testosterone which is produced by the ovaries. Too much can lead to weight gain, acne, facial and body hair and mood swings, but too little causes chronic tiredness, insomnia, and a lack of libido. Last year, studies in the Netherlands linked testosterone to female uterine cancer.

Self help: To boost testosterone levels eat foods rich in zinc such as red meat, dairy produce and seafood or take a zinc supplement. For men, Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT)to raise levels of testosterone is now available. Given in the form of pellets implanted under the skin on the buttocks they are renewed every five months. Implants are seen as the most effective treatment as patches cause severe skin rashes, injections need to be repeated every three weeks and the absorption of orally taken capsules is poor.

Women who are worried testosterone levels are too high should cut out caffeine, alcohol and dairy products and reduce red meats and increase their aerobic exercise.

Adrenalin: Produced by the adrenal gland it is your body's fight or flight hormone. It slows down the body's systems so that more energy is available to deal with the problem.

As well as fear, adrenalin production is sparked by stress and stimulants such as caffeine, chocolate, cigarettes and sugar. Constant production of adrenalin is associated with speeding up ageing and digestion problems.

Self help: Cut out stimulants. When you feel yourself getting tired eat a piece of fruit, fresh or dried, instead. Learn calming techniques such as deep breathing or meditation to lower stress levels.

http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/health/heat_gene/heat_gene_05.html

Thanks SheilaI have low estrogen. This time last year it was normal(saliva tests)but the latest test showed low <46 (range up to 172), although that was a blood test. My progesterone was above range last year. Would it still be ok for me, do you think? Why is it of particular benefit to hypo women? I was wondering about estrogen supplementation because I'm desperate to lose this brain fog and I thought it might be due to losing my ovaries. Although I know it could just as well be thyroid.I can't get to see Dr P again til June but while on the phone to him about thyroid matters I asked him about taking estrogen and he said to find out what I could about progesterone instead. Thanks again x

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>

> Hi , the following may help.

Thanks Sheila

I'm going to continue reading but I think I may leave doing anything

until after I see Dr P. I'm scared that I might further complicate

things.

The plan is to do some retesting - ASI, 24 hour urine thyroid, FT4,

FT3, ferratin, B12, sex hormones - so that when I see him in June we

will hopefully have a bit more to go on than we do now, as nothing

seems to add up.

Always appreciate your help and interest.

x

[Guest guest]

Hi

I went to the doctor because I was putting on a lot of weight, I felt tired all

the time, I

ached all over, constipated, zero libido etc., My mother had an underactive

thyroid and I

thought I might have the same thing. Blood tests showed that my TSH was 3.1 -

the

doctor said that I was 'normal' - and " that's funny, your estrogen is high " . I

was upset

because he said my problems were due to my age and it was not until later that I

remembered about the estrogen.

I felt so dreadful I decided to do some research on the wonderful internet and

found

studies done by a Dr Lee. I bought his book - Natural Progesterone, The

multiple

roles of a remarkable hormone. I bought some natural progesterone and within

about a

month, started to feel somewhat better. The thyroid blood test a year later

showed my

TSH to be 1.9.

I have recently found out that high estrogen is related to thyroid problems.

When women start using the progesterone, a few may feel some symptoms of PMT but

that is only the body reacting and balancing - it should only last a short

while. As the

progesterone is a cream, it can be used as needed. It also seems to help with

migraines.

I am now taking Nutri Adrenal and Nutri Thyroid after seeing Dr P - I don't seem

to have

any side effects - apart from the doctor still saying that 'it's your age dear'

despite a 24

hour urine test indicating that my T3 is under range.

I buy the cream direct from Serenity in America - it is a little more expensive

but the

progesterone in it is higher than others so I don't use so much. If you do plan

to use the

cream, make sure it does not have any parabens in the ingredients. We get enough

of the

little blighters in other things.

Hope this helps

B

[Guest guest]

> I felt so dreadful I decided to do some research on the wonderful

internet and found

> studies done by a Dr Lee. I bought his book - Natural

Progesterone, The multiple

> roles of a remarkable hormone. I bought some natural progesterone

and within about a

> month, started to feel somewhat better. The thyroid blood test a

year later showed my

> TSH to be 1.9.

> I have recently found out that high estrogen is related to thyroid

problems.

>Hi

Sorry to take so long to get back to you. Been busy packing, moving

house. But I've read your post several times and have been thinking

about what you wrote. It was really helpful and interesting to hear

your story. And you're round about my age, so similar concerns no

doubt.

You talk about high estrogen. I think I must have had that because I

had fibroids and a huge ovarian cyst. I didn't know about the

connection with thyroid until Sheila mentioned it a little while ago

and now you do here as well. Although my estrogen is now low.

Until you mentioned Lee I'd forgotten that I've got two of his

books, although I don't think they are the one you mentioned. But I

bet there's at least a chapter on progesterone. I must look that up.

Hopefully, I've not packed them up yet! I presume you attribute your

lowering of TSH partly to the progesterone? If so, that's quite

impressive. I'm wondering if Lee talks about the thyroid in his

books at all. When I first read them about 15 months ago I wasn't

aware of my thyroid problem, so any such references probably would

have flown under my radar. I'm really going to look for his books -

you've got me on a roll!

My doctor had never heard of the 24 urine test but was at least

prepared to write to the endo at the hospital to see what he thought

about it. It doesn't carry any weight though in NHS circles does it?

Very frustrating.

Thanks for the tip about the Serenity cream. I'll remember that if I

go for it. I'm undecided as yet. Too scared to make things worse

than they are I think. On the otherhand really eager to do something

to help.

Good to hear you're doing OK on the Nutri stuff. Wish they'd worked

for me. I know they do for lots of folk. Will you be progressing

onto thyroxine or Armour soon?

Thanks ever so much again for your reply.

x

[Guest guest]

Hi

I think I have had high estrogen most of my life. I think that large breasts

(which I have)

are due to high estrogen - anyway estrogen is what makes them grow in adolescent

young

girls. Since my son was born (9lb 1oz - large but lovely) I had very heavy

periods which

used to last 7 days, bad PMT, migraine - which could be because of extra

estrogen - or

even early thyroid problems.

Dr Lee mentions thyroid problems but not in much detail in the book I have.

Progesterone

and estrogen as well as thyroid hormones are all connected - it seems to be like

a circle -

but which to treat first. I am sure that using the progesterone cream had

something to do

with lowering my TSH. My doctor ignored me when I asked him.

I would seriously think about the progesterone cream - from a booklet I have it

says

......facilitates thyroid hormone activity...........as well as reducing bone

loss.

you can get the free booklet from www.progesterone.co.uk - I think they still

do it.

Another booklet is Keats Good Health Guide " Natural Progesterone Cream " .

I was rather nervous about using the cream but I am glad I did. It is like

Sheila says -

treat yourself gently, take one step at a time. The progesterone cream cannot

do you any

harm if you use it carefully.

I so wish I had known about Nutri Adrenal years ago - it seems as though I have

been

stressed all my life. I have another meeting with Dr P in April so will know

then if I can go

onto Armour or T3. I am taking my other half - he is having an appointment with

Dr P as

well.

Keep smiling

B

[Guest guest]

I have an ebook "understanding your changing hormones". I have not looked at it lately, but if anyone wants a copy, email me & I will forward it. I also have one on progest cream by Lee if anyone wants it.

Val

[Guest guest]

Hi Val

I would be very interested in reading the e-book, could you please forward me a copy.

Many thanks

Jacqui

Re: progesterone

I have an ebook "understanding your changing hormones". I have not looked at it lately, but if anyone wants a copy, email me & I will forward it. I also have one on progest cream by Lee if anyone wants it.

Val

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> Progesterone and estrogen as well as thyroid hormones are all

connected - it seems to be like a circle -

> but which to treat first. I would seriously think about the

progesterone cream

Hi

I had migraines (and always one just before my period) and PMT all

my life too. And bad throats. But til I had my hysterectomy knew

nothing about sex or thyroid hormones at all.

You've hit my dilemma right on the head. Do you treat thyroid or sex

hormones first? My initial idea was to get the thyroid sorted first,

that seems to be the consensus but as that is taking me much longer

than anticipated, I just feel I can't wait any longer before doing

something.

And as I don't know if the brain fog is lack of estrogen or thyroid,

I'll kick myself if I've held off for a year if estrogen or

progesterone could have restored my brain function and it's not to

do with thyroid after all.

Thanks for the recommended reading. Val has just sent me the ebooks

as well, so I'm all ready to go on my progesterone research!

Hope your appointment with Dr P goes well. And for hubby - I'm

trying to get mine to get tested, he has more clear cut hypo

symptoms than me! But he's stubborn!

x

[Guest guest]

Hi, . My nutritionist just recommended natural progesterone CREAM to

apply before bed as it can make you drowsy, so you can take it before bed.

As for yeast I don't know - I haven't started taking it. Did your dr test

your hormone levels? I'm reading this article on " estrogen dominance. " It

may not be for everyone.

http://www.womentowomen.com/menopause/estrogendominance.aspx

I also read that prog increases cortisol output, so it may cause adrenal

fatigue or irritability. Starting at 1/4 dose is a good idea.

On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 5:10 PM, imsinfo <imsinfo@...> wrote:

> I have tried natural progesterone pills which doc prescribed me and i

> already got side effect: drowsiness. i have red it could be from too

> much of progesterone. I can cut dose to 1/4 to see if it help but if

> not i will have to quit.

> In addition to that I worry that it can cause again candida overgrow.

> One expert write that some women have candida from progesterone

> treatment.My doc don`t know about such research. There is the link:

>

> http://candida-international.blogspot.com/2007/05/interview-with-

>

christine-tomlinson-phd.html<http://candida-international.blogspot.com/2007/05/i\

nterview-with-%0Achristine-tomlinson-phd.html>

>

> I would like to ask if somebiody took progesterone and if it increase

> your candida symptoms?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I've been reading a lot about progesterone cream as an effective treatment

for estrogen dominance. However, I did come across when highly regarded

expert that the creams can build up in fat tissue and lead to issues. This

expert recommended taking supplements to support the sex organs so that

there is better hormone balance naturally. She also suggested avoiding

plastic (using plastic cups, bottles, tupperware, etc.) and soy.

Buddy

On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 9:26 AM, McCartney

<katie.mccartney@...>wrote:

> Hi, . My nutritionist just recommended natural progesterone CREAM to

> apply before bed as it can make you drowsy, so you can take it before bed.

>

> As for yeast I don't know - I haven't started taking it. Did your dr test

> your hormone levels? I'm reading this article on " estrogen dominance. " It

> may not be for everyone.

>

> http://www.womentowomen.com/menopause/estrogendominance.aspx

>

> I also read that prog increases cortisol output, so it may cause adrenal

> fatigue or irritability. Starting at 1/4 dose is a good idea.

>

> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 5:10 PM, imsinfo

<imsinfo@...<imsinfo%40>>

> wrote:

>

> > I have tried natural progesterone pills which doc prescribed me and i

> > already got side effect: drowsiness. i have red it could be from too

> > much of progesterone. I can cut dose to 1/4 to see if it help but if

> > not i will have to quit.

> > In addition to that I worry that it can cause again candida overgrow.

> > One expert write that some women have candida from progesterone

> > treatment.My doc don`t know about such research. There is the link:

> >

> > http://candida-international.blogspot.com/2007/05/interview-with-

> > christine-tomlinson-phd.html<

>

http://candida-international.blogspot.com/2007/05/interview-with-%0Achristine-to\

mlinson-phd.html>

>

> >

> > I would like to ask if somebiody took progesterone and if it increase

> > your candida symptoms?

> >

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Buddy - what have you been reading? I'd like to read more about supplements

supporting sex organs. I know Vitex is supposed to be good for regulating

hormones, and I've taken that before and didn't notice any difference.

I avoid BPA plastics like the plague and use others only when absolutely

necessary. I eat organic whenever possible. I limit soy consumption, but

unfortunately it's one of my favorites foods (Asian cuisine).

On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 10:00 AM, Buddy A. Touchinsky, D.C. <

dr.touchinsky@...> wrote:

> I've been reading a lot about progesterone cream as an effective treatment

> for estrogen dominance. However, I did come across when highly regarded

> expert that the creams can build up in fat tissue and lead to issues. This

> expert recommended taking supplements to support the sex organs so that

> there is better hormone balance naturally. She also suggested avoiding

> plastic (using plastic cups, bottles, tupperware, etc.) and soy.

>

> Buddy

>

> On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 9:26 AM, McCartney

> <katie.mccartney@...>wrote:

>

> > Hi, . My nutritionist just recommended natural progesterone CREAM

> to

> > apply before bed as it can make you drowsy, so you can take it before

> bed.

> >

> > As for yeast I don't know - I haven't started taking it. Did your dr test

> > your hormone levels? I'm reading this article on " estrogen dominance. " It

> > may not be for everyone.

> >

> > http://www.womentowomen.com/menopause/estrogendominance.aspx

> >

> > I also read that prog increases cortisol output, so it may cause adrenal

> > fatigue or irritability. Starting at 1/4 dose is a good idea.

> >

> > On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 5:10 PM, imsinfo <imsinfo@...<imsinfo%

> 40>>

> > wrote:

> >

> > > I have tried natural progesterone pills which doc prescribed me and i

> > > already got side effect: drowsiness. i have red it could be from too

> > > much of progesterone. I can cut dose to 1/4 to see if it help but if

> > > not i will have to quit.

> > > In addition to that I worry that it can cause again candida overgrow.

> > > One expert write that some women have candida from progesterone

> > > treatment.My doc don`t know about such research. There is the link:

> > >

> > > http://candida-international.blogspot.com/2007/05/interview-with-

> > > christine-tomlinson-phd.html<

> >

>

http://candida-international.blogspot.com/2007/05/interview-with-%0Achristine-to\

mlinson-phd.html

> >

> >

> > >

> > > I would like to ask if somebiody took progesterone and if it increase

> > > your candida symptoms?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I use the Standard Process and Mediherb line, but in my store I sell the NOW

Foods brand. In the NOW line, they have something called Female Support or

something to that effect. Women RAVE about this supplement and it flies off

the shelf.

In Standard Process, research ovex, utrophin pmg, wheat germ oil, and

symplex F. Medhierb has chaste tree and probably vitex.

Buddy

On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 10:47 AM, McCartney <katie.mccartney@...

> wrote:

> Buddy - what have you been reading? I'd like to read more about

> supplements

> supporting sex organs. I know Vitex is supposed to be good for regulating

> hormones, and I've taken that before and didn't notice any difference.

>

> I avoid BPA plastics like the plague and use others only when absolutely

> necessary. I eat organic whenever possible. I limit soy consumption, but

> unfortunately it's one of my favorites foods (Asian cuisine).

>

> On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 10:00 AM, Buddy A. Touchinsky, D.C. <

> dr.touchinsky@... <dr.touchinsky%40gmail.com>> wrote:

>

> > I've been reading a lot about progesterone cream as an effective

> treatment

> > for estrogen dominance. However, I did come across when highly regarded

> > expert that the creams can build up in fat tissue and lead to issues.

> This

> > expert recommended taking supplements to support the sex organs so that

> > there is better hormone balance naturally. She also suggested avoiding

> > plastic (using plastic cups, bottles, tupperware, etc.) and soy.

> >

> > Buddy

> >

> > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 9:26 AM, McCartney

> > <katie.mccartney@... <katie.mccartney%40gmail.com>>wrote:

> >

> > > Hi, . My nutritionist just recommended natural progesterone CREAM

> > to

> > > apply before bed as it can make you drowsy, so you can take it before

> > bed.

> > >

> > > As for yeast I don't know - I haven't started taking it. Did your dr

> test

> > > your hormone levels? I'm reading this article on " estrogen dominance. "

> It

> > > may not be for everyone.

> > >

> > > http://www.womentowomen.com/menopause/estrogendominance.aspx

> > >

> > > I also read that prog increases cortisol output, so it may cause

> adrenal

> > > fatigue or irritability. Starting at 1/4 dose is a good idea.

> > >

> > > On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 5:10 PM, imsinfo

<imsinfo@...<imsinfo%40>

> <imsinfo%

> > 40>>

> > > wrote:

> > >

> > > > I have tried natural progesterone pills which doc prescribed me and i

> > > > already got side effect: drowsiness. i have red it could be from too

> > > > much of progesterone. I can cut dose to 1/4 to see if it help but if

> > > > not i will have to quit.

> > > > In addition to that I worry that it can cause again candida overgrow.

> > > > One expert write that some women have candida from progesterone

> > > > treatment.My doc don`t know about such research. There is the link:

> > > >

> > > > http://candida-international.blogspot.com/2007/05/interview-with-

> > > > christine-tomlinson-phd.html<

> > >

> >

>

http://candida-international.blogspot.com/2007/05/interview-with-%0Achristine-to\

mlinson-phd.html

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > I would like to ask if somebiody took progesterone and if it increase

> > > > your candida symptoms?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Buddy,

FYI, nearly all the instructions I have read for applying

progesterone topical products state to apply on non-fatty areas such as

inner wrists, palms of hands and soles of feet, backs of hands, etc.

Only for treating fibrocystic breasts have I read to apply it directly

over the cysts on the breasts. For all other applications apply to

non-fatty areas. But yes, my readings do say it does build up in body

fat when applied to fatty areas.

sol

Buddy A. Touchinsky, D.C. wrote:

> I've been reading a lot about progesterone cream as an effective treatment

> for estrogen dominance. However, I did come across when highly regarded

> expert that the creams can build up in fat tissue and lead to issues. This

> expert recommended taking supplements to support the sex organs so that

> there is better hormone balance naturally. She also suggested avoiding

> plastic (using plastic cups, bottles, tupperware, etc.) and soy.

>

> Buddy

>

> On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 9:26 AM, McCartney

> <katie.mccartney@...>wrote:

>

>

>> Hi, . My nutritionist just recommended natural progesterone CREAM to

>> apply before bed as it can make you drowsy, so you can take it before bed.

>>

>> As for yeast I don't know - I haven't started taking it. Did your dr test

>> your hormone levels? I'm reading this article on " estrogen dominance. " It

>> may not be for everyone.

>>

>> http://www.womentowomen.com/menopause/estrogendominance.aspx

>>

>> I also read that prog increases cortisol output, so it may cause adrenal

>> fatigue or irritability. Starting at 1/4 dose is a good idea.

>>

>> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 5:10 PM, imsinfo

<imsinfo@...<imsinfo%40>>

>> wrote:

>>

>>

>>> I have tried natural progesterone pills which doc prescribed me and i

>>> already got side effect: drowsiness. i have red it could be from too

>>> much of progesterone. I can cut dose to 1/4 to see if it help but if

>>> not i will have to quit.

>>> In addition to that I worry that it can cause again candida overgrow.

>>> One expert write that some women have candida from progesterone

>>> treatment.My doc don`t know about such research. There is the link:

>>>

>>> http://candida-international.blogspot.com/2007/05/interview-with-

>>> christine-tomlinson-phd.html<

>>>

>>

http://candida-international.blogspot.com/2007/05/interview-with-%0Achristine-to\

mlinson-phd.html>

>>

>>

>>> I would like to ask if somebiody took progesterone and if it increase

>>> your candida symptoms?

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Thanks , I have red article, it is very interesting.I do

believe we are all different. For example I am Pitta type or Fire so

I supposed to have a lot of sex hormones naturally. I wasn`t able to

take birth pill even once bc I was nauseus after that.I am also very

sensitive to hormones and acids like vitamins and amino acids. Most

other people can take it bc they body is not acidic.

Too much infections and stress caused hormonal imbalace which don`t

go away after good candida test. I thought it can help me with my

acid reflux problem too bc estrogen dominance can cause heat and

reflux too. My doc said I have very low progesterone in comparison

to estrogen.

In regard of CANDIDA I have red also in my book Prescription

Alternatives that birth bontrol pills can cause it. But I think any

progesterone can do that too. Today I have notised craks on my lips

as I had in the past with Trush. In addition to that i ate a lot of

sugar to protect my esophagus from reflux at night bc acid reducing

drug don`t help me much.I think I should stop progesterone even in

small doses if candida will grow again.Probably adrenal cream will

be enough for me.

In regard of yam and other hormonal fods in this book written that

they don`t work bc they don`t convert to progesterone in the body.

>

> > I have tried natural progesterone pills which doc prescribed me

and i

> > already got side effect: drowsiness. i have red it could be from

too

> > much of progesterone. I can cut dose to 1/4 to see if it help

but if

> > not i will have to quit.

> > In addition to that I worry that it can cause again candida

overgrow.

> > One expert write that some women have candida from progesterone

> > treatment.My doc don`t know about such research. There is the

link:

> >

> > http://candida-international.blogspot.com/2007/05/interview-with-

> > christine-tomlinson-phd.html<http://candida-

international.blogspot.com/2007/05/interview-with-%0Achristine-

tomlinson-phd.html>

> >

> > I would like to ask if somebiody took progesterone and if it

increase

> > your candida symptoms?

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>