New Lab Results

[Guest guest]

I don't have enough experience with this stuff to tell you. But I am wondering

how you feel, because your free T went up quite a bit. How is the morning wood?

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> I just got some new labs back..my original ones were

> total T = 325

> free T = 17

> estradiol = 25

>

> Was put on arimidex 1/2 mg per week and now..

> total T = 485

> Free T = 92

> estradiol = 14

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> What levels should these factors be at and would you suggest TRT at this

point?

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> Thanks

> Dan

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[Guest guest]

Dan are you having night time and morning wood if not stop taking the Arimidex

your to low. And from what I see you were not all that low to start with.

Yes taking Arimidex will bring up Testosterone levels but the men that get a 200

to 300 increase in levels are up past 50 pg/ml when they start on the Arimidex.

If you have read Dr. 's TRT: A Recipe for Success and had all the labs in

this post them so we can see what is going on. I feel Dr.'s put men on TRT to

fast and if there is something wrong that can be fixed like Phil he can't handle

Milk stopped using it his levels came back up.

www.allthingsmale.com

Do try to figure out why your low before treating it.

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Phil

> From: dtquick2 <no_reply >

> Subject: New lab results

>

> Date: Saturday, July 10, 2010, 6:31 AM

> I just got some new labs back..my

> original ones were

> total T   = 325

> free  T   = 17

> estradiol = 25

>

> Was put on arimidex 1/2 mg per week and now..

> total T   = 485

> Free  T   = 92

> estradiol = 14

>

> What levels should these factors be at and would you

> suggest TRT at this point?

>

> Thanks

> Dan

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[Guest guest]

I have commented before on LDH and how mine fluctuates .. I really question the

value of this measurement except perhaps as a long term trend. I used to get my

labs done on Monday and I dance hula on Sunday for 3+ hours .. LDH was always

high then, about 260 or so. When I began to have LDH measured before dancing,

it consistently stayed around 140-160 which is very much in my lab's normal

range. My understanding is that LDH reflects a number of different things

happening in ones body, some of which have nothing to do with CLL activity.

---but my LDH level is a little bit high, not

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[Guest guest]

Hi, I just got labs today and would appreciate any input. I'd like to know if I

can trust the estradiol levels, since others here have had problems with LabCorp

testing. Also, what is a good level for progesterone? I was on it years ago and

it helped me get to sleep.

I'm currently taking 1/4 arimidex every other day and using test. gel, which has

in the past brought my levels up too much. Thanks for any help.

Victor

Test, serum 364 193-740

Free 4.8 6.6-18.1

Estradiol (Roche ECLIA methodology) 35.9

Progesterone .4 .2- 1.4

[Guest guest]

Your Estraidol is still to high you need to get it down to about 20 pg/ml and

this will bring up your Free Testosterone levels.

Your Preg. is best mid range. I feel your Testostreone is still very low 500

would be much better for your labs range..

Read this file I have made about taking Arimidex.

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How To Take Arimdex and not go down on your Estradiol to Low.

What I found is if you go to low taking arimidex, it's the length of time your

to low, if your too low say for 8 weeks it can take your body a longer time to

make more Estradiol. Bottom line is to know how not to go to low. Keep a log on

your dose and how you feel men going to low can't get it up taking Viagra. I

went to low when I first tried Arimidex and did not know about going to low or

how one feels to low, so I was low a good 8 weeks. I did not know I was low

until my next labs.

The best gage I have found to control your Estradiol levels is to gage your

night time and morning wood. At good levels or what I call the sweet spot you

get your night time and morning wood back so strong it will wake you up and you

can hang a coat on it.

Most men do good taking .25 mgs or 1/4 of a 1mg. pill, I use a pill cutter to

cut the small pill in half then I stand it on the cut end and use a single edge

razor to cut this in half. A good way to take arimidex is by how high your

levels are. I tested over 90 pg/ml so we tried doing .5 mgs every other day

after 8 weeks my next set of labs showed it did not move below 90, test said

>90. So we did .5 mgs. every day in about 2 weeks I got some strong night time

and morning wood back after not having them for many yrs.

I kept doing this dose and in 8 weeks my next set of labs said <20 back in the

day labs were like this they did not have to good labs we have today they could

not read lower the 20. My Dr. told me this looks to low to stop taking the

Arimidex. The one thing I noticed was my wood stopped and stopping the Arimidex

my wood came back in about 7 weeks my next test at 8 weeks was 24 pg/ml. So we

went back on the Arimidex but the Dr. told me to take .5 mgs every 3 days I was

on this dose not a week and lost wood. This is when I figured out going to low

you lose wood. And the longer your too low the longer it takes to get levels

back up.

I stopped the arimidex right away and got my wood back in 4 days. I then after

playing with the dose for a time found the best dose is .25mgs every 2 to 3

days.

So lets say your labs are less the 50 pg/ml if your take .5 mgs you can go down

so dam fast your miss the sweet spot of your wood and go to low. It's best with

lower levels 50 and under to do less Arimidex .25mgs every 2 days if later your

lose wood when it comes back go to every 3 days.

I have found estradiol is the hardest hormone to control, it goes up or down

from month to month some times I need .25mgs every 2 days other times I need

..25mgs everyday most of the time I do well on every 3 days.

So between wood and labs I do great and so do most of the men I have told this

to. I keep a log on how much I am taking and how I feel. Doing this and reading

back in my log I was able to tell when I was going to high or to low my Dr. lets

me dose my arimidex by how I feel.

Over the yrs. I have posted this story until I am blue in the face.

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And this about gels

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Starting on Androgel or Testim.

Yes this happens a lot you start on a low starting dose 5 grams when your brain

sees the testosterone in your blood even just a little it slows down even stops

sending the LH and FSH message to your testis to make the Testosterone you were

making. So lets say your labs for Total T were 350 you add this dose of gel

your brain sees this and you lose the base level you had before the gel.

Now lets say you need more then 5 grams most do so now all your left with is

what the gel is doing so lets say it's doing 200 so you lost 150.

The reason you feel good is your levels go up that 200 the gel is doing in the

first 2 weeks so your levels go up to 550 in theory. The brain sees this and

you fall back.

Why can this happen it might be how your putting on the gel with Androgel you

need to spread it over your upper arms and shoulders and down your back as far

as you can reach this is half of your dose then do the other side. Just spread

it over the area but don't rub it in.

The other thing is it's not getting through your skin good so you need more. If

you have a thyroid problem your skin will become thicker and gels and creams

don't get through the skin and you need to switch to shots.

I tell men when they go on Gels to retest in 2 weeks because you can end up

feeling worse. Most men just need more gel. Dr.'s that tell men to go on 5

grams of gel and come back in 8 to 12 weeks for labs don't know much about the

use of gels. Dr.'s that treat a lot of men for low T on gels see this happen

and test them again in 2 weeks.

When you go to do labs get up and shower that morning go do your labs and then

put in the gel after your blood test so you don’t spike up your labs. If you

can’t do labs in the morning shower put on the gel but don’t get any gel on

the spot they take the blood from. Do your labs about 6 hrs later.

Call your Dr. and tell him this and that your not feeling good you were but fell

back.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: vmbisun <vmbisun@...>

> Subject: New Lab Results

>

> Date: Thursday, March 31, 2011, 6:45 PM

>

> Hi, I just got labs today and would appreciate any input.

> I'd like to know if I can trust the estradiol levels, since

> others here have had problems with LabCorp testing. Also,

> what is a good level for progesterone? I was on it years ago

> and it helped me get to sleep.

> I'm currently taking 1/4 arimidex every other day and using

> test. gel, which has in the past brought my levels up too

> much. Thanks for any help.

> Victor

> Test, serum 364  193-740

> Free  4.8  6.6-18.1

> Estradiol (Roche ECLIA methodology) 35.9

> Progesterone .4  .2- 1.4

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[Guest guest]

If it's a pill it needs to pass through your liver and it can get changed into

E's. Preg.and Prog. works best in creams you rub on your body if 5 mgs is a

cream for men this would be good.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: vmbisun <vmbisun@...>

> Subject: Re: New Lab Results

>

> Date: Saturday, April 2, 2011, 9:22 PM

> Thanks for your help Phil. Would 5 mg

> of progesterone be a good starting dose?

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> > > From: vmbisun <vmbisun@...>

> > > Subject: New Lab Results

> > >

> > > Date: Thursday, March 31, 2011, 6:45 PM

> > >

> > > Hi, I just got labs today and would appreciate

> any input.

> > > I'd like to know if I can trust the estradiol

> levels, since

> > > others here have had problems with LabCorp

> testing. Also,

> > > what is a good level for progesterone? I was on

> it years ago

> > > and it helped me get to sleep.

> > > I'm currently taking 1/4 arimidex every other day

> and using

> > > test. gel, which has in the past brought my

> levels up too

> > > much. Thanks for any help.

> > > Victor

> > > Test, serum 364  193-740

> > > Free  4.8  6.6-18.1

> > > Estradiol (Roche ECLIA methodology) 35.9

> > > Progesterone .4  .2- 1.4

> > > 

> > > 

> > >

> > >

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[Guest guest]

When on the correct dose of thyroid hormone containing T3, TSH

should be around 1.0 although more often than not, it is completely suppressed.

FT4 is often low in the range, and fT3 should be in the upper third of the ref.

range. Your results show that you are not taking sufficient Erfa 'Thyroid' and

you might wish to try raising this by 30mgs daily. You should raise

natural thyroid extract by half a grain (30mgs) every 3 to 4 weeks until you

find the dose that takes away your symptoms. If, after one increase you start

to get symptoms of hyperthyroidism, don't take any more Erfa that day, but the

following day, go back onto the dose you were on before that increase and this

is often the dose your body needs.

What is the iron you are taking and what dose? Are you being

sure to take any iron/calcium 4 hours away from your Erfa? Are you taking

200mcgs Selenium daily with food, high doses (2/3000mgs) vitamin C, a good B

Complex too.

Check out the attached document on 'How to Use natural Thyroid

Extract' that is in our FILES SECTION of this Forum.

Luv - Sheila

i still feel tired, have joint and muscle pain and don't feel well. what should

the TSH, FT3 an FT4 be in the range to feel well on NDT? should i increase the

erfa and by how much or add T3 and how much? should i continue on the iron and

how much? my ratio i think of RT3/FT3 is 14 now , i think but would be better

if my Ft3 were higher. should the FT4 be higher also or does that mean i am

converting ok when it is kind of low? thanks for any help.

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A22.HOW TO TREAT WITH NATURAL THYROID EXTRACT.doc

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your reply. I know I asked this before, but I heard some people

saying that when they went on ERFA they had more joint and muscle pain because

of some reformulation (recently). Have you heard this? I've been hypo all along,

but the muscle and joint pain really acted up in the last month or so. I am

taking 27mg of elemental iron daily; I did not stop the meds before the test. My

iron is 119 (range 60-160) and my last test (2 months ago) my percentage

saturation was 22 (range 20-50). My TPIC was 341 which is high. I want to know

now if I should keep taking that dose of iron or cut back (being that it seems

to have gone up rapidly in six weeks - from 75 to 119). Even if that is just the

supplements isn't it dangerous to have too much iron in your blood. I reread Dr.

Peatfield's book and he did not say anything about this. I am taking a thyroid

formula with the trace minerals with b vitamins, selenium, and calcium at night

away from my thyroid medicine. I'm pretty close to the number you gave for the

selenium. I'm also taking isocort and adrenal response (herbal) for my adrenals.

I was considering switching to nature-thyroid or adding some T3. My two main

questions are

1)what to do about the iron right now

2) and has ERFA been linked to muscle and joint pain

Thanks, Barbara

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> When on the correct dose of thyroid hormone containing T3, TSH should be

> around 1.0 although more often than not, it is completely suppressed. FT4 is

> often low in the range, and fT3 should be in the upper third of the ref.

> range.

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