Adrenal Fatigue

April 8, 2009

Hi Margaret

This one's quite good by : " Adrenal Fatigue: The 21st Century

Stress Syndrome " - you can get it from Amazon? I would link to it but not sure

if we're allowed to post links to other websites?

Chris

>

> Hi Margaret here

>

> Can anybody advise me on a good book to read on Adrenal Fatige

>

> Margaret Harrickey

>

April 8, 2009

Thanks I will try that one.

Margaret

From: chrisjtaylor46 <chrisjtaylor46@...>thyroid treatment Sent: Wednesday, 8 April, 2009 13:34:30Subject: Re: Adrenal FatigueHi MargaretThis one's quite good by : " Adrenal Fatigue:

April 8, 2009

Have a look in our TPA-UK Patient's Lending Library Margaret.

You will find this in the files - scroll down to the end.

Luv - Sheila

Hi Margaret here

Can anybody advise me on a

good book to read on Adrenal Fatige

Margaret

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April 8, 2009

Go to our website www.tpa-uk.org.uk.

In the right hand column, scroll down until you see the link to 'Amazon'. Buy

any books (or anything else for that matter) specifically through this link

because TPA-UK gets a small percentage. On the page that opens, type in the

name of the book and the author into the search engine. Often Amazon have some

almost new books you can buy cheaper.

Luv - Sheila

Hi Margaret

This one's quite good by : " Adrenal Fatigue: The 21st Century

Stress Syndrome " - you can get it from Amazon? I would link to it but not

sure if we're allowed to post links to other websites?

Chris

April 8, 2009

I have a copy of this if anyone wants to borrow it.

Jen

>

> Hi Margaret

>

> This one's quite good by : " Adrenal Fatigue: The 21st Century

Stress Syndrome " - you can get it from Amazon? I would link to it but not sure

if we're allowed to post links to other websites?

>

> Chris

>

June 22, 2009

You should be on NAE until your adrenal symptoms have gone away

and you are able to absorb your thyroid hormones properly. This varies for

different people so there is not a 'set' time. If NAE doesn't work for you and

you need something stronger, you may need to start a course of Hydrocortisone

for a while, but for many of us, NAE does work fine eventually. You need to

stop your thyroid hormone when starting adrenal supplements because your

adrenals are pretty exhausted and they are needed to help with all the hormone

producing glands in the body - so you can imagine the strain that is put on

them daily. Stopping thyroid hormone gives them a chance to have a little rest

because normally, they help convert T4 to the active T3 and that puts a lot of

strain on them. Giving them a rest from having to do this and concentrating on

boosting them only for a week is the best way to help them 'heal'. They need as

much rest as they can get when starting to treat them. However, if it gets

impossible for you not to have Armour, just use half a grain.

Luv - Sheila

How long should I be on the NAE?

Also, why exactly is it that the Armour needs to be stopped for at least the

first week?

Not sure what to expect this week in terms of suffering symptoms now that I'm

off the Armour. Last evening, I felt pretty bad and had lower back pain. I took

a pain killer for it. Thinking I might need something stronger on presciption

from GP to get thru the week.

June 22, 2009

MODERATED TO DELETE MESSAGES ALREADY READ.PLEASE LEAVE JUST A PORTION OF WHAT

YOU ARE RESPONDING TO. LUV - SHEILA

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Thanks for getting back to me Sheila. Just to touch back on how long to treat

for, Adrenal Fatigue has sympomtoms similiar to Hypothyroid. Would you recommend

I re-test my Adrenals again, and if so, how long should I wait to re-test?

I shall try to manage without any Armour. Have got a Codeine type painkiller

from the chemist to hand just in case things get really bad.

Will be seeing Endo on Thurs. Will be interested on his opinion of the Adrenal

issue and how I am treating it.

Really looking forward to my appt with Dr P next month. Can't take these other

doctors any more!

Luv,

>

> You should be on NAE until your adrenal symptoms have gone away and you are

> able to absorb your thyroid hormones properly. This varies for different

> people so there is not a 'set' time.

June 23, 2009

If you retest for adrenals, you will need to

stop your NAE for a couple of weeks before the test. You haven't been on NAE

for long enough yet - many need to take it for months, and some years, to

keep their adrenals up to par. If you do decide to stop at any time and you

find your old hypothyroid symptoms creeping back, then this means your adrenals

have not been boosted enough and are unable to cope with the thyroid hormones replacement

again. I would give it 6 months from starting NAE to retest again.

I think Endo might laugh at any suggestion that

you have an adrenal problem, but might decide to give you the NHS short synacthen

test. This is done early in the morning, they take your blood and then give you

an injection of synacthen, wait about half an hour, and then take your blood

again. They test only to see whether you have one of the two extremes of

adrenal fatigue, 's (no cortisol output) or Cushing's (too high cortisol

output), and they see no shades of grey in-between. They do not recognise low

adrenal reserve and if you do not have 's or Cushing's will tell you

that your adrenal function is perfectly normal. However, let's keep everything

crossed including eyes, because you just might find your endocrinologist will

actually listen to you - and KNOWS about the low a\adrenal/thyroid connection.

Luv - Sheila

Thanks for getting back to me Sheila. Just to touch back on how long to treat

for, Adrenal Fatigue has sympomtoms similiar to Hypothyroid. Would you

recommend I re-test my Adrenals again, and if so, how long should I wait to

re-test?

Will be seeing Endo on Thurs. Will be interested on his opinion of the Adrenal

issue and how I am treating it.

June 23, 2009

DELETED REST OF MESSAGES AGAIN LAURA. I REALISE YOUR BRAIN MUST BE 'MUSH' AT THE

MOMENT. YOU WILL SOON GET THE HANG OF THINGS. LU - SHEILA

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Thanks Sheila, and sorry about forgetting to edit the message last night. My

brain is mush at the moment!

Yes, I was thinking about re-testing in a few months time,at least.

With your recommendation for staying on them (NAE) for at least 6 months, I'm

now in the know. Thanks for that.

>

> If you retest for adrenals, you will need to stop your NAE for a couple of

> weeks before the test. You haven't been on NAE for long enough yet -

> many need to take it for months, and some years, to keep their adrenals up

> to par.

June 23, 2009

Hi

I believe you may be seeing the endo that I also see Dr B. He is very good ,

however, when I mentioned adrenals to him he was adamant that they were not

connected to my problem. He had tested my cortisol not a synathecen test just

ordinary blood test and it was normal, so that was that, my adrenals were fine.

So now I treat with NAE but he dosen't know this. Just though that forewarned

was forearmed and all that, good luck.

love Lizzie

>

> Will be seeing Endo on Thurs. Will be interested on his opinion of the Adrenal

issue and how I am treating it.

June 24, 2009

> Thanks for that Lizzie,

I will politely tell him that since he hasn't replied to either my email (which

had the Adrenal results attached) or my telephone call, that I've decided to go

ahead and use NAE. This way, when I eventually re-test, he will see that there

is a difference in my levels. I will go thru the same private lab to do the

re-test using the 24 hour salival test that showed me to be particularly low.

Perhaps the more patients he has coming to him with Adrenal Fatigue related

issues with their Hypo, he will eventually come around!

Lizzie wrote:

> I believe you may be seeing the endo that I also see Dr B. He is very good ,

however, when I mentioned adrenals to him he was adamant that they were not

connected to my problem.

.....I treat with NAE but he dosen't know this. Just though that forewarned was

forearmed and all that, good luck.

>

> love Lizzie

July 17, 2009

>

> Hi Bee

>

> Just wondering when you had candida did you have adrenal fatigue? If so, how

long did it take you to recover from it? What would you suggest to be good to

help with the adrenal fatigue other than the diet?

+++Hi Madonna. I may have had adrenal fatigue since I had low thyroid but my

doctor and I didn't know the connection back then, so I don't know how long it

took for them to recover.

Diet and supplements are what will help your adrenals recover most, since

nutrients are what the body needs to heal itself.

You can Search my website with any word to find articles - here's Adrenal

Malfunction and How to Treat It:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/treat1.php

All the best, Bee

July 17, 2009

Thank you Bee .... I'm coming to find out that is what's causing all my problems

being cold, neck pains, can't sleep or concentrate a feeling of my sugar

dropping, cold legs and my blood pressure is high like crazy and previous to 3

or so weeks ago my BP was really good. So something must have happened with the

adrenals. So I guess there is nothing to help those adrenals along then only the

diet .... it's a terrible feeling and it make me feel very anxious with the high

blood pressure. It not my thyroid as the reading is normal 1.4

take care Bee

madonna

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+++Hi Madonna. I may have had adrenal fatigue since I had low thyroid but my

doctor and I didn't know the connection back then, so I don't know how long it

took for them to recover.

Diet and supplements are what will help your adrenals recover most, since

nutrients are what the body needs to heal itself.

July 17, 2009

>

> Thank you Bee .... I'm coming to find out that is what's causing all my

problems being cold, neck pains, can't sleep or concentrate a feeling of my

sugar dropping, cold legs and my blood pressure is high like crazy and previous

to 3 or so weeks ago my BP was really good. So something must have happened with

the adrenals. So I guess there is nothing to help those adrenals along then only

the diet .... it's a terrible feeling and it make me feel very anxious with the

high blood pressure. It not my thyroid as the reading is normal

+++Hi Madonna. Of course something happened to your adrenals, but they are not

causing all of your problems for sure.

Your BP will go up and down during the healing process, along with cold

feelings, hypoglycemic symptoms, and all other symptoms, diseases, illnesses,

injuries, etc. you had in the past which your body needs to " retrace " in order

to heal itself properly - see this article:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/heal10.php

Candida toxins, and other toxins as well, cause all of the body's cell membranes

to become rigid/stiff so this interferes with the functioning of all organs, not

just the adrenals and thyroid.

Please read that article on Adrenal Malfunction which lists many things you can

do besides the diet and supplements.

Bee

July 17, 2009

Hi Madonna,

When your adrenals are out of balance it's VERY important to do the deep, nose

breathing exercises in order to stimulate your body's relaxation response.

see this article:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/breath2.php

jackie

>

> Thank you Bee .... I'm coming to find out that is what's causing all my

problems being cold, neck pains, can't sleep or concentrate a feeling of my

sugar dropping, cold legs and my blood pressure is high like crazy and previous

to 3 or so weeks ago my BP was really good. So something must have happened with

the adrenals. So I guess there is nothing to help those adrenals along then only

the diet .... it's a terrible feeling and it make me feel very anxious with the

high blood pressure. It not my thyroid as the reading is normal 1.4

>

> take care Bee

> madonna

>

July 18, 2009

>

> Thank you Bee for your reponse and SORRY for having to write again. Yes, I'm

trying to understand how this natural healing all works but yet it makes me

scared and ?? and nervous. This morning my head feels really tight like a band

around it with a bad headache and my BP is 180/95, that's the highest I have

seen it in over a year. So I'm wondering if that tightness in my head could be

from the BP? These things all make me very scared as I ended up in hospital in

2000 with similiar symptoms and was treated and diagnosed with a mild heart

attack so you can understand now why it scares me. Don't ever want to have that

happen again.

+++Hi Madonna. To rule out a heart problem that may need emergency treatment

get thoroughly checked by your doctor.

>

> Also, I was wondering if it's best to take the 2 tbls CLO at once or in 2

doses?

+++You can do either, but always with meals.

Bee

July 18, 2009

Bee this my situation right now .... if I go to the doctor to be checked the

first thing they will do is check my BP and cholesterol and immediately give me

meds. I don't want that .... SO I'm really SOL right now to see any doctor and

really confused about what to do? Just wondering if anyone else is experiencing

something like this and if so how are you dealing with it?

How dangerous or unsafe is it to have high BP readings and for how long I

wonder?

thanks Bee

madonna

________________________________

+++Hi Madonna. To rule out a heart problem that may need emergency treatment

get thoroughly checked by your doctor.

>

> Also, I was wondering if it's best to take the 2 tbls CLO at once or in 2

doses?

+++You can do either, but always with meals.

Bee

July 18, 2009

Madonna, don't be confused. Go to a doctor & ask those questions. The choice

is yours. Susie

>

> Bee this my situation right now .... if I go to the doctor to be checked the

first thing they will do is check my BP and cholesterol and immediately give me

meds. I don't want that .... SO I'm really SOL right now to see any doctor and

really confused about what to do? Just wondering if anyone else is experiencing

something like this and if so how are you dealing with it?

>

> How dangerous or unsafe is it to have high BP readings and for how long I

wonder?

>

> thanks Bee

> madonna

>

> ________________________________

>

> +++Hi Madonna. To rule out a heart problem that may need emergency treatment

get thoroughly checked by your doctor.

> >

> > Also, I was wondering if it's best to take the 2 tbls CLO at once or in 2

doses?

>

> +++You can do either, but always with meals.

>

> Bee

>

July 19, 2009

>

> Bee this my situation right now .... if I go to the doctor to be checked the

first thing they will do is check my BP and cholesterol and immediately give me

meds. I don't want that .... SO I'm really SOL right now to see any doctor and

really confused about what to do? Just wondering if anyone else is experiencing

something like this and if so how are you dealing with it?

>

> How dangerous or unsafe is it to have high BP readings and for how long I

wonder?

+++Hi Madonna. " If " you've faithfully followed my program for over a year, I

think your cholesterol would have lowered by now. When was the last time you

got it tested, and what were the readings?

Also if you are following my program you'd be taking 1 1/2 tsp. of ocean sea

salt per day and so your BP would stabilize, except for the retracing of past BP

which will go up and down, but it wouldn't stay chronically high like it did

before when you had the heart attack.

To accurately evaluate BP don't rely on it being checked a couple of times

during a doctor's visit, since you are already uptight having to visit the

doctor.

Take your own blood pressure at different times of the day, and over a few days

at a time; write them down, with time, day, etc. to see if it is up and down, or

whether it is consistently high.

Luv, Bee

July 20, 2009

>

> Bonnie, I'm doing what you or anyone else would do when trying to cope with

this BP and the bad headaches I get with it. I'm sure you and others would

follow a doctor's advice when he tells you your heart shows it under stress from

the high cholesterol and BP levels. What IF I ignored this and something serious

happened like a stroke or heart attack or even death then how would my family

feel knowing I thought I knew best and did nothing about it?

>

> I'm not discrediting that this program doesn't work at all but this seems to

be a one diet fits all and I think we are all wired differently and maybe what's

good for you is not good for me. Maybe your cholesterol doesn't go high but

mine does when on this high fat diet especially even when I was on a low fat

restricted diet in the past I still needed help to bring it down.

+++Hi Madonna. One diet does fit all because we are all the same species, just

like animals in the wild, so as Dr. Weston A. Price proved through his research

there is one set of " proper nutrition " for all human bodies, and that's why this

program works!

Dr. Price writes this about nutrition for humans: " We humans have the same rigid

restrictions regarding food selection as the simpler forms of life when foods

are evaluated from their chemical basis. "

And he also writes: " Also, it is not necessary to adopt the foods of any

particular racial stock, but only to make our nutrition adequate in all its

nutritive factors to the primitive nutrition. Tooth decay

is not only unnecessary, but an indication of our divergence from

Nature's fundamental laws of life and health. "

But you cannot follow it willy nilly, and get sidetracked by all kinds of

conflicting information. Either you believe the body can heal itself naturally

or you don't, and that's your choice.

Sorry my dear, but you " have been discrediting this program " for a long time,

since you've been searching for all of your separate symptoms on the internet,

and finding medical recommendations and scare tactics, which has confused you

and made you doubt this program. You've waffled so much, I wouldn't believe you

are totally following this program, and you don't seem to understand about

" retracing " - is that why you haven't responded to my messages about it?

You did not answer my question whether your BP was chronically high, or does it

fluctuate up and down over a weeks period of time.

If you've lost your faith in this program, then maybe you will believe a doctor

- I recommend you read all about The Optimal Diet implemented by Dr. Jan

Kwasniewski, in Poland, who has been curing people of heart disease, diabetes,

obesity, asthma, cancer, etc. for well over 30 years, and the ratios of proteins

to good fats to carbs is exactly the same as I recommend:

http://homodiet.netfirms.com/

Otherwise, I suggest you unsubscribe from this group because it doesn't help

anyone to read all of your messages with its doubts, medical information, etc.

I wish you the very best,

Bee

July 20, 2009

-Hi Madonna,

I've been on this group a brief time, but I've been learning about cholesterol

for a few years. A good book to read is The Cholesterol Myths by Uffe Ravnskov.

The book is somewhat technical because it is an indepth look at the studies done

that support the lipid hypothesis of cholesterol. Uffe found that the studies

were all flawed in one way or another, or that the results published and

announced were adjusted, partial, or plain lies. My understanding now of

cholesterol is that it is our friend, it has important functions in the body,

one of which is to rush to places that need repair--such as arteries. Could be

why post-mortem examinations find cholesterol in the arteries, but it was not

the cause of the problem, it was trying hard to fix the problem.

When I was almost vegetarian, eating virtually no fat, my cholesterol level was

about 110. But I felt awful. As I gradually added fat back into my diet, my

cholesterol level went up, and last Sept my level was 172 eating a much higher

fat diet. I'm certain now on the program that I'm eating more fat, and maybe my

levels will go up, but I think they will be supporting the process of bringing

back in balance rather than hurting it. I have lupus, and four years ago, my

level was just over 180. At the time I was having a flair, felt bad--diagnosed

right around that time. My fat intake at that time was higher than when the

level was 110. But I think the higher 180 was due to the cholesterol " getting

to work " in my crises situation. Maybe that's what is happening with you since

you're trying to get the candida under control.

Another thing the book points out that studies show that people with much

lowered cholesterol have a greater tendancy to die of cancer. From what I

understand of cholesterol meds, they really screw up your system--seriously

deplete your body of all important co-enzyme Q10 among other things. Most

doctors only know the lipid hypothesis of cholesterol--so they are going to

prescribe the meds, which do bring down the cholesterol quite well, but cause

major other problems. Long story made short--cholesterol is our friend, not our

foe.

Leesa

-- In , mbarnes <mbarnes55@...> wrote:

>

> Bonnie, I'm doing what you or anyone else would do when trying to cope with

this BP and the bad headaches I get with it. I'm sure you and others would

follow a doctor's advice when he tells you your heart shows it under stress from

the high cholesterol and BP levels. What IF I ignored this and something serious

happened like a stroke or heart attack or even death then how would my family

feel knowing I thought I knew best and did nothing about it?

>

> I'm not discrediting that this program doesn't work at all but this seems to

be a one diet fits all and I think we are all wired differently and maybe what's

good for you is not good for me. Maybe your cholesterol doesn't go high but

mine does when on this high fat diet especially even when I was on a low fat

restricted diet in the past I still needed help to bring it down.

>

> For me, it may interfere with blood pressure and heart problems for me. I know

Cholesterol may not be an issue when the levels are within reason and staying

pretty normal but when they get high let's face it there is too much fat

floating around in out arteries and hence the heart stress. Can low adrenals

cause this sort of thing? I'm sure there must be others on this group in

similiar situation as me and if so how are you all dealing with it?? please let

me know

>

> madonna

>

> ________________________________

>

> The testing is good to know what data you are looking at, but then what you

put in your body is your choice.

>

> Bonnie

>

July 20, 2009

>

> -Hi Madonna,

> I've been on this group a brief time, but I've been learning about cholesterol