Re: question for barb (or anyone else who has taken straight T3)

[Guest guest]

This is what I posted on another group in a discussion about rT3 there.

Did I say anxiety? I personally did not have anxiety. I had cognitive

dysfunction--my brain didn't work. My engineer dad taught me at 8 years old how

to add things up, calculate the tax, and have the exact change for a cashier.

When I was taking mostly T3, I suddenly found I could not figure out the change

from $1 for 87 cents. I remember blinking, thinking harder and harder, and I

just could not compute. Then I remember replying to a post, it showed up shortly

thereafter, and I read it, not realizing *I* was the one who wrote it. I didn't

remember writing it only a few minutes ago. My brain was gone, like

dementia? Adding the T4 back in brought my brain back.

Here is a post from another forum:

" Also, T3 only therapy made me literally insane and I am still trying to recover

from the severe depression and anxiety it sent me into. Only just off my

sleeping pills now and will be on AD's for another two months. The major problem

with T3 IMO is that if you have to go off it suddenly (as I did due to complete

psychological breakdown) you are left with NO T4 and have to start all over

again. I had to start over with a T4 level of 2.4 (12-22). At last test it was

10.8 so I still have a bit of a way to go. "

I stand by what I originally said: T3-only apparently works for some people. I

did not say it didn't. HOWEVER, more than one has complained of cognitive

dysfunction, and I include myself in that group. If someone wants to try it,

there's nothing stopping them, but they need to be AWARE that it doesn't work

for everyone and stop if they notice any cognitive problems. I hardly consider

that fear-mongering, but rather full disclosure.

Barb

>

> Did you feel like you were more alert but more brain fogged? My vision has

> also gotten a bit worse. Just curious.

>

> Thanks,

>

> --

> *Mike*

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks barb. That was very well put.

Mike

On Mar 29, 2011 6:57 PM, " Barb " <baba@...> wrote:

This is what I posted on another group in a discussion about rT3 there.

Did I say anxiety? I personally did not have anxiety. I had cognitive

dysfunction--my brain didn't work. My engineer dad taught me at 8 years old

how to add things up, calculate the tax, and have the exact change for a

cashier. When I was taking mostly T3, I suddenly found I could not figure

out the change from $1 for 87 cents. I remember blinking, thinking harder

and harder, and I just could not compute. Then I remember replying to a

post, it showed up shortly thereafter, and I read it, not realizing *I* was

the one who wrote it. I didn't remember writing it only a few minutes ago.

My brain was gone, like

dementia? Adding the T4 back in brought my brain back.

Here is a post from another forum:

" Also, T3 only therapy made me literally insane and I am still trying to

recover from the severe depression and anxiety it sent me into. Only just

off my sleeping pills now and will be on AD's for another two months. The

major problem with T3 IMO is that if you have to go off it suddenly (as I

did due to complete psychological breakdown) you are left with NO T4 and

have to start all over again. I had to start over with a T4 level of 2.4

(12-22). At last test it was

10.8 so I still have a bit of a way to go. "

I stand by what I originally said: T3-only apparently works for some people.

I did not say it didn't. HOWEVER, more than one has complained of cognitive

dysfunction, and I include myself in that group. If someone wants to try it,

there's nothing stopping them, but they need to be AWARE that it doesn't

work for everyone and stop if they notice any cognitive problems. I hardly

consider that fear-mongering, but rather full disclosure.

Barb

>

> Did you fe...

> *Mike*

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you so much for your story, Barb.

-Nigel

On 29 March 2011 19:57, Barb <baba@...> wrote:

>

>

> This is what I posted on another group in a discussion about rT3 there.

>

> Did I say anxiety? I personally did not have anxiety. I had cognitive

> dysfunction--my brain didn't work. My engineer dad taught me at 8 years old

> how to add things up, calculate the tax, and have the exact change for a

> cashier. When I was taking mostly T3, I suddenly found I could not figure

> out the change from $1 for 87 cents. I remember blinking, thinking harder

> and harder, and I just could not compute. Then I remember replying to a

> post, it showed up shortly thereafter, and I read it, not realizing *I* was

> the one who wrote it. I didn't remember writing it only a few minutes ago.

> My brain was gone, like

> dementia? Adding the T4 back in brought my brain back.

>

> Here is a post from another forum:

> " Also, T3 only therapy made me literally insane and I am still trying to

> recover from the severe depression and anxiety it sent me into. Only just

> off my sleeping pills now and will be on AD's for another two months. The

> major problem with T3 IMO is that if you have to go off it suddenly (as I

> did due to complete psychological breakdown) you are left with NO T4 and

> have to start all over again. I had to start over with a T4 level of 2.4

> (12-22). At last test it was

> 10.8 so I still have a bit of a way to go. "

>

> I stand by what I originally said: T3-only apparently works for some

> people. I did not say it didn't. HOWEVER, more than one has complained of

> cognitive dysfunction, and I include myself in that group. If someone wants

> to try it, there's nothing stopping them, but they need to be AWARE that it

> doesn't work for everyone and stop if they notice any cognitive problems. I

> hardly consider that fear-mongering, but rather full disclosure.

>

> Barb

>

>

>

> >

> > Did you feel like you were more alert but more brain fogged? My vision

> has

> > also gotten a bit worse. Just curious.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > --

> > *Mike*

>

[Guest guest]

T3 doesn't make me more alert. I have a hard time believing it's the active

thyroid hormone as high doses just make me sleepy and yet raise my heart

rate.

The lack of T4 on T3 only made me brain foggy.

-Nigel

On 29 March 2011 18:07, Rouse <michael.hugh.rouse@...> wrote:

>

>

> Did you feel like you were more alert but more brain fogged? My vision has

> also gotten a bit worse. Just curious.

>

> Thanks,

>

> --

> *Mike*

>

[Guest guest]

Nigel,

Actually, the same thing is hapenning to me. It seemed like in the begging

of my T3 adventure, I was doing better but then it would wear off and I

would have to increase. The shitty thing is that once I got to 60 mcg. I

started to feel like crap again. I'm on 80mcg now and I feel like I am

always in this dream world. I'm able to function in it, but I am not really

in it, if that makes any sense. Plus, I am starting to notice people giving

me strange looks when I talk to them....I'm probably saying bizzare things

and don't even know it.

Thanks,

Mike

On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 9:21 PM, Nigel <nachonigel@...> wrote:

>

>

> T3 doesn't make me more alert. I have a hard time believing it's the active

> thyroid hormone as high doses just make me sleepy and yet raise my heart

> rate.

>

> The lack of T4 on T3 only made me brain foggy.

>

> -Nigel

>

> On 29 March 2011 18:07, Rouse <michael.hugh.rouse@...>

> wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Did you feel like you were more alert but more brain fogged? My vision

> has

> > also gotten a bit worse. Just curious.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > --

> > *Mike*

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Not that my experience will help, but I know I am not one that would be able to

take straight T3.

My doc put me on 5mcgs to 'optimize' me, and within a few doses I felt like I

wanted to jump out of my skin!

It also ramped up my heart rate.

I know it is hard to believe with such a low dose,.....I couldn't believe it

either until I went back to normal quickly after stopping it.

Glad I didn't take it for long.

[Guest guest]

For what I know about using just T3 I would never let a Dr. put me on this even

Dr. M.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Rouse <michael.hugh.rouse@...>

> Subject: question for barb (or anyone else who has taken

straight T3)

>

> Date: Tuesday, March 29, 2011, 7:07 PM

> Did you feel like you were more alert

> but more brain fogged?  My vision has

> also gotten a bit worse.  Just curious.

>

> Thanks,

>

> --

> *Mike*

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am so dam sick of talking about RT3 and T3 only meds but for some reasion

people post there labs ask the wrong people about there Thyroid labs and are

told your RT3 is to high. Them people saying this are not Dr.'s don't know

there A** from a hole in the ground. And them people listing to this crap are

finding web sites about RT3 reading this not seeing a Dr. buying T3 meds from

over Seas and getting all messed up.

I have posted back to them people that say your RT3 is to high and I ask them

what do you base this on and what do you know about it. You know what they do

they give me a link this this site.

http://thyroid-rt3.com/

I am not saying this site is bad. But the people that read it and don't

understand what they are reading. And telling others there RT3 is to high from

what they think they understand from reading this are NUTS.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Barb <baba@...>

> Subject: Re: question for barb (or anyone else who has taken

straight T3)

>

> Date: Tuesday, March 29, 2011, 8:57 PM

> This is what I posted on another

> group in a discussion about rT3 there.

>

> Did I say anxiety? I personally did not have anxiety. I had

> cognitive

> dysfunction--my brain didn't work. My engineer dad taught

> me at 8 years old how to add things up, calculate the tax,

> and have the exact change for a cashier.  When I was

> taking mostly T3, I suddenly found I could not figure out

> the change from $1 for 87 cents. I remember blinking,

> thinking harder and harder, and I just could not compute.

> Then I remember replying to a post, it showed up shortly

> thereafter, and I read it, not realizing *I* was the one who

> wrote it. I didn't remember writing it only a few minutes

> ago. My brain was gone, like

> dementia? Adding the T4 back in brought my brain back.

>

> Here is a post from another forum:

> " Also, T3 only therapy made me literally insane and I am

> still trying to recover from the severe depression and

> anxiety it sent me into. Only just off my sleeping pills now

> and will be on AD's for another two months. The major

> problem with T3 IMO is that if you have to go off it

> suddenly (as I did due to complete psychological breakdown)

> you are left with NO T4 and have to start all over again. I

> had to start over with a T4 level of 2.4 (12-22). At last

> test it was

> 10.8 so I still have a bit of a way to go. "

>

> I stand by what I originally said: T3-only apparently works

> for some people. I did not say it didn't. HOWEVER, more than

> one has complained of cognitive dysfunction, and I include

> myself in that group. If someone wants to try it, there's

> nothing stopping them, but they need to be AWARE that it

> doesn't work for everyone and stop if they notice any

> cognitive problems. I hardly consider that fear-mongering,

> but rather full disclosure.

>

> Barb

>

>

> >

> > Did you feel like you were more alert but more brain

> fogged?  My vision has

> > also gotten a bit worse.  Just curious.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > --

> > *Mike*

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I am so dam sick of talking about RT3 and T3 only meds but for some reasion

people post there labs ask the wrong people about there Thyroid labs and are

told your RT3 is to high. Them people saying this are not Dr.'s don't know

there A** from a hole in the ground. And them people listing to this crap are

finding web sites about RT3 reading this not seeing a Dr. buying T3 meds from

over Seas and getting all messed up.

I have posted back to them people that say your RT3 is to high and I ask them

what do you base this on and what do you know about it. You know what they do

they give me a link this this site.

http://thyroid-rt3.com/

I am not saying this site is bad. But the people that read it and don't

understand what they are reading. And telling others there RT3 is to high from

what they think they understand from reading this are NUTS.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Barb <baba@...>

> Subject: Re: question for barb (or anyone else who has taken

straight T3)

>

> Date: Tuesday, March 29, 2011, 8:57 PM

> This is what I posted on another

> group in a discussion about rT3 there.

>

> Did I say anxiety? I personally did not have anxiety. I had

> cognitive

> dysfunction--my brain didn't work. My engineer dad taught

> me at 8 years old how to add things up, calculate the tax,

> and have the exact change for a cashier.  When I was

> taking mostly T3, I suddenly found I could not figure out

> the change from $1 for 87 cents. I remember blinking,

> thinking harder and harder, and I just could not compute.

> Then I remember replying to a post, it showed up shortly

> thereafter, and I read it, not realizing *I* was the one who

> wrote it. I didn't remember writing it only a few minutes

> ago. My brain was gone, like

> dementia? Adding the T4 back in brought my brain back.

>

> Here is a post from another forum:

> " Also, T3 only therapy made me literally insane and I am

> still trying to recover from the severe depression and

> anxiety it sent me into. Only just off my sleeping pills now

> and will be on AD's for another two months. The major

> problem with T3 IMO is that if you have to go off it

> suddenly (as I did due to complete psychological breakdown)

> you are left with NO T4 and have to start all over again. I

> had to start over with a T4 level of 2.4 (12-22). At last

> test it was

> 10.8 so I still have a bit of a way to go. "

>

> I stand by what I originally said: T3-only apparently works

> for some people. I did not say it didn't. HOWEVER, more than

> one has complained of cognitive dysfunction, and I include

> myself in that group. If someone wants to try it, there's

> nothing stopping them, but they need to be AWARE that it

> doesn't work for everyone and stop if they notice any

> cognitive problems. I hardly consider that fear-mongering,

> but rather full disclosure.

>

> Barb

>

>

> >

> > Did you feel like you were more alert but more brain

> fogged?  My vision has

> > also gotten a bit worse.  Just curious.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > --

> > *Mike*

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

This tells me you need to test your Cortisol levels if low the T3 is building up

in your blood and not being carried out of your blood into your cells making you

feel hyper.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...>

> Subject: Re: question for barb (or anyone else who has taken

straight T3)

>

> Date: Wednesday, March 30, 2011, 10:51 AM

> Not that my experience will help, but

> I know I am not one that would be able to take straight T3.

>

> My doc put me on 5mcgs to 'optimize' me, and within a few

> doses I felt like I wanted to jump out of my skin!

> It also ramped up my heart rate.

>

> I know it is hard to believe with such a low dose,.....I

> couldn't believe it either until I went back to normal

> quickly after stopping it.

> Glad I didn't take it for long.

>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

I believe that feeling you're always in a dream is called derealization. I

had this severe episode of it as a kid where I felt like I was stuck in a

dream that I couldn't wake up from. Severe stress from travelling apparently

triggered it.

I felt a little like this feeling was coming back when my thyroid was

failing to produce enough hormones. When I first took T4 I felt the opposite

and felt more like I was alive and not in a coma so much. T3 never has

helped with feeling dead but alive and even desiccated hasn't been that much

help. Maybe you do need more T4, Mike.

-Nigel

On 29 March 2011 22:46, Rouse <michael.hugh.rouse@...> wrote:

> Nigel,

>

> Actually, the same thing is hapenning to me. It seemed like in the begging

> of my T3 adventure, I was doing better but then it would wear off and I

> would have to increase. The shitty thing is that once I got to 60 mcg. I

> started to feel like crap again. I'm on 80mcg now and I feel like I am

> always in this dream world. I'm able to function in it, but I am not really

> in it, if that makes any sense. Plus, I am starting to notice people

> giving

> me strange looks when I talk to them....I'm probably saying bizzare things

> and don't even know it.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Mike

>

> On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 9:21 PM, Nigel <nachonigel@...> wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > T3 doesn't make me more alert. I have a hard time believing it's the

> active

> > thyroid hormone as high doses just make me sleepy and yet raise my heart

> > rate.

> >

> > The lack of T4 on T3 only made me brain foggy.

> >

> > -Nigel

> >

> > On 29 March 2011 18:07, Rouse <michael.hugh.rouse@...>

> > wrote:

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Did you feel like you were more alert but more brain fogged? My vision

> > has

> > > also gotten a bit worse. Just curious.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > > --

> > > *Mike*

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Nigel. I just started the switch to NTH and will hopefully be only on

that and can then adjust T4 from there.

That is interesting though. I do suffer from derealization and a long time

ago when I first started this I was put on T4 and my derealization did get

better. However, I was convinced by others that I needed to be on T3 so I

dropped that and got on T3 only.

Thanks for the info.

Mike

On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Nigel <nachonigel@...> wrote:

>

>

> I believe that feeling you're always in a dream is called derealization. I

> had this severe episode of it as a kid where I felt like I was stuck in a

> dream that I couldn't wake up from. Severe stress from travelling

> apparently

> triggered it.

>

> I felt a little like this feeling was coming back when my thyroid was

> failing to produce enough hormones. When I first took T4 I felt the

> opposite

> and felt more like I was alive and not in a coma so much. T3 never has

> helped with feeling dead but alive and even desiccated hasn't been that

> much

> help. Maybe you do need more T4, Mike.

>

> -Nigel

>

> On 29 March 2011 22:46, Rouse <michael.hugh.rouse@...>

> wrote:

>

> > Nigel,

> >

> > Actually, the same thing is hapenning to me. It seemed like in the

> begging

> > of my T3 adventure, I was doing better but then it would wear off and I

> > would have to increase. The shitty thing is that once I got to 60 mcg. I

> > started to feel like crap again. I'm on 80mcg now and I feel like I am

> > always in this dream world. I'm able to function in it, but I am not

> really

> > in it, if that makes any sense. Plus, I am starting to notice people

> > giving

> > me strange looks when I talk to them....I'm probably saying bizzare

> things

> > and don't even know it.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Mike

> >

> > On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 9:21 PM, Nigel <nachonigel@...> wrote:

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > T3 doesn't make me more alert. I have a hard time believing it's the

> > active

> > > thyroid hormone as high doses just make me sleepy and yet raise my

> heart

> > > rate.

> > >

> > > The lack of T4 on T3 only made me brain foggy.

> > >

> > > -Nigel

> > >

> > > On 29 March 2011 18:07, Rouse <michael.hugh.rouse@...>

> > > wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Did you feel like you were more alert but more brain fogged? My

> vision

> > > has

> > > > also gotten a bit worse. Just curious.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > > *Mike*

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

I started felling like this on PQQ I started on this to help my Statin Drug

damage to my muscles. I dream like this every night I don't care for this and

don't feel PQQ is doing much for my problem so I am done with it.

http://www.lef.org/Vitamins-Supplements/Item01500/PQQ-Caps-with-BioPQQ.html

Co-Moderator

Phil

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Did you feel like you were more alert but

> more brain fogged? My vision

> > > has

> > > > also gotten a bit worse. Just curious.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > > *Mike*

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

" derealization "

That's very interesting. I suffered from this a number of times starting in my

early 20's (when my thyroid symptoms first started).

I referred to it as being drugged. It was almost hallucinogenic.

In addition to feeling foggy, I'd have odd emotions attached to things I saw and

heard. These episodes would only last an hour or so. Only happened a handful

of times, last time being last year.

As far as T3 goes. It did NOT work for me. My endo attempted to add it to my

T4 regimen. All I felt was the return of hypothyroid symptoms in a big way.

Similar to what Barb described, I had a few episodes of amnesia immediately

before I began treatment. In fact, it was what prompted me to seek treatment.

Before I was diagnosed hypothyroid and low T, I attributed all of my exhaustion

to sleep deprivation. They put me on Klonopin to help my sleep. In '08 when I

was working on a particularly stressful contract, I began to have episodes of

amnesia. Co-workers where showing me emails I would swear I never wrote, but

there they were. Very scary. To this day, I don't know if it was the Klonopin,

sleep deprivation (I'm now on CPAP) or untreated thyroid that did it.

Fortunately it never happened since.

The closer I get to optimum thyroid treatment, the sharper my mind is becoming.

That is a big relief.

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Did you feel like you were more alert but more brain fogged? My vision

> > > has

> > > > also gotten a bit worse. Just curious.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > > *Mike*

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks guys. That is reassuring that it is not just me goimg nuts but

probably due to my.thyroid condition.

Mike

On Mar 31, 2011 9:49 AM, " Dave " <dcbaden@...> wrote:

" derealization "

That's very interesting. I suffered from this a number of times starting in

my early 20's (when my thyroid symptoms first started).

I referred to it as being drugged. It was almost hallucinogenic.

In addition to feeling foggy, I'd have odd emotions attached to things I saw

and heard. These episodes would only last an hour or so. Only happened a

handful of times, last time being last year.

As far as T3 goes. It did NOT work for me. My endo attempted to add it to my

T4 regimen. All I felt was the return of hypothyroid symptoms in a big way.

Similar to what Barb described, I had a few episodes of amnesia immediately

before I began treatment. In fact, it was what prompted me to seek

treatment. Before I was diagnosed hypothyroid and low T, I attributed all of

my exhaustion to sleep deprivation. They put me on Klonopin to help my

sleep. In '08 when I was working on a particularly stressful contract, I

began to have episodes of amnesia. Co-workers where showing me emails I

would swear I never wrote, but there they were. Very scary. To this day, I

don't know if it was the Klonopin, sleep deprivation (I'm now on CPAP) or

untreated thyroid that did it. Fortunately it never happened since.

The closer I get to optimum thyroid treatment, the sharper my mind is

becoming. That is a big relief.

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Did you feel like you were more alert but more brain fog...