HCG questions

[Guest guest]

Thanks Phil,

I guess I should have been more specific. What I meant was did you have a test

for your natural hCG before you started the hCG injections?

To Answer your questions I started T treatment in December. My total T was 274

before I started. First with androgel 5. That was great. The very next day I

woke up NO morning DEPRESSION. First time in at least 10 years. I had been

blaming that on my pain meds for back pain. January with a new HMO I switched

to the T Cypionate injection. 1ML every two weeks. Is that the same as 200mg?

Made it only 8 days on the first two week dose and that was horid after about

the 5th day. I was way more depressed than ever before I started by day 8.

That same day I shot a half dose and the next 2 weeks I tried doing 1/2 dose

each week. Still starting to get depressed by the 5th day and getting worse

after that. This is after a whole month on the androgel with NO depression.

Finally my wife and I decided that splitting the dose again and going every 4

days was what I needed and all this was before I read that you were doing yours

every 3 days. I was tested 2nd time a couple weeks ago when I asked about

upping the dose a little. Then total T was up to 395. So far all I have only

been tested for total T. I upped the dose slightly but still don't feel nearly

as good as when I first started with the androgel. I am expecting maybe E2

level may be up if it wasn't already.

I am going back to my prescribing PA on Monday. I am going to ask him to

test also my free and bio available T and E2 level. What I am wondering is do I

need a hCG test too?

So far my PA is a likable guy and doesn't seen to be insulted when my wife

or I go in there and tell him what is wrong with us and ask him to treat it.

From my own experience and from every sick person I know expecting anyone in the

medical profession to actualy diagnoise what is wrong with you is a joke. If

they can't spot it in 10 minuets it ain't hapening. Seen it too many times!

Once you have the diagnosis figured out then, maybe then they can figure it out

how to treat you. OK maybe something commen like a cold the flu or diabeaties.

Maybe?

I will tell you all more later about my experience with this thing which I

am guessing must go back 30 years untreated until now but progressively getting

worse over the years. And a few other related issues that I think you would all

be interested in.

Later and thanks again,

Brett

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> > From: br7ok <no_reply >

> > Subject: HCG questions

> >

> > Date: Saturday, March 6, 2010, 12:02 AM

> > Hi Everyone,

> > Thank you so much Phil for all the work you put into

> > running this group. It must be a tough job and I for one are

> > glad you are doing it.

> > Question for anyone:

> > Before you start HCG do you have a test to see what your

> > blood or urine level was?  Is the replacement HCG a

> > prescription item?  Expensive?

> > Thanks Brett

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Brett no you don't need to test your HCG just try doing this. Your first

shots were dam big 200mgs if your vial says 200mgs/ml so a 1ml shot is 200mgs

and it's a big shot all at once. I am thinking most of it converted into

Estradiol. I gage this by my night time and morning wood if you don't have this

wood you might be very high on Estradiol and this is whats making you feel like

crap.

I get brain fog, ED, look red on the upper part of my body, have panic feelings

and get sore and hard nipples. If you have any of this it's your Estradiol

levels are high. Get it tested best test I use is Quest labs Estradiol

Sensitive #4021. If your above 20 past 30 pg/ml get some Arimidex and take 1/4

of the 1 mg. pill .25 mgs every 2 days.

You will start feeling better very soon to speed this up take a .5 mgs the first

day. If your levels are over 50 pg/ml take .5 mgs every 2 days.

If your Dr. will not give you Arimidex let me know you can try Indolplex/DIM.

I would do your shots every 3 days and do the HCG when you start it on the day

before your next T shot 250 IU's. This keeps you more leveled and holds down

your Estradiol levels.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: br7ok <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: HCG questions

>

> Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 12:09 AM

> Thanks Phil,

> I guess I should have been more specific.  What I

> meant was did you have a test for your natural hCG before

> you started the hCG injections?

>

> To Answer your questions I started T treatment in

> December.   My total T was 274 before I

> started.  First with androgel 5.  That was

> great.  The very next day I woke up NO morning

> DEPRESSION.   First time in at least 10

> years.  I had been blaming that on my pain meds for

> back pain.   January with a new HMO I

> switched to the T Cypionate injection.   1ML

> every two weeks.  Is that the same as

> 200mg?   Made it only 8 days on the first two

> week dose and that was horid after about the 5th

> day.   I was way more depressed than ever

> before I started by day 8.  That same day I shot a half

> dose and the next 2 weeks I tried doing 1/2 dose each

> week.  Still starting to get depressed by the 5th day

> and getting worse after that.  This is after a whole

> month on the androgel with NO depression.  Finally my

> wife and I decided that splitting the dose again and going

> every 4 days was what I needed and all this was before I

> read that you were doing yours every 3

> days.   I was tested 2nd time a couple weeks

> ago when I asked about upping the dose a little.  Then

> total T was up to 395.  So far all I have only been

> tested for total T.   I upped the dose

> slightly but still don't feel nearly as good as when I first

> started with the androgel.   I am expecting

> maybe E2 level may be up if it wasn't already.

>     I am going back to my prescribing PA on

> Monday.  I am going to ask him to test also my free and

> bio available T and E2 level.  What I am wondering is

> do I need a hCG test too? 

>     So far my PA is a likable guy and doesn't

> seen to be insulted when my wife or I go in there and tell

> him what is wrong with us and ask him to treat it. 

> From my own experience and from every sick person I know

> expecting anyone in the medical profession to actualy

> diagnoise what is wrong with you is a joke.  If they

> can't spot it in 10 minuets it ain't hapening.  Seen it

> too many times!  Once you have the diagnosis figured

> out then, maybe then they can figure it out how to treat

> you.  OK maybe something commen like a cold the flu or

> diabeaties.  Maybe?

>     I will tell you all more later about my

> experience with this thing which I am guessing must go back

> 30 years untreated until now but progressively getting worse

> over the years.  And a few other related issues that I

> think you would all be interested in.

> Later and thanks again,

> Brett

>

>

> >

> > > From: br7ok <no_reply >

> > > Subject: HCG questions

> > >

> > > Date: Saturday, March 6, 2010, 12:02 AM

> > > Hi Everyone,

> > > Thank you so much Phil for all the work you put

> into

> > > running this group. It must be a tough job and I

> for one are

> > > glad you are doing it.

> > > Question for anyone:

> > > Before you start HCG do you have a test to see

> what your

> > > blood or urine level was?  Is the replacement

> HCG a

> > > prescription item?  Expensive?

> > > Thanks Brett

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hello,

I am thinking about buying HCG at ADC but am a bit confused on all the

brands and sizes. I would like to add it to too my TRT and need some help.

Also I have no idea what size needle and where to inject?

[Guest guest]

Thanks Phil this all seems complicated. The info you sent will be very helpful.

>

> > From: mikerizzo2007 <mikerizzo2007@...>

> > Subject: HCG questions

> >

> > Date: Tuesday, May 11, 2010, 5:31 PM

> > Hello, 

> >     I am thinking about buying HCG at ADC but am

> > a bit confused on all the brands and sizes.  I would

> > like to add it to too my TRT and need some help.  Also

> > I have no idea what size needle and where to inject? 

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

How do you like the corion? I ordered it a week ago, how long does it take to

arrive from adc?

> >

> > Hello,

> > I am thinking about buying HCG at ADC but am a bit confused on all the

brands and sizes. I would like to add it to too my TRT and need some help.

Also I have no idea what size needle and where to inject?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I use a diabetes syringe/needle for HCG I think it is 28 size or 30 size. I do

it on my biceps. IM. Yes. I get them from ADC. This is my first order actually

and I got 6 months supply.

You dont have to self treat. What all you have to do is go to a doc and ask him

these questions .... like ...are my symptoms point to Hypogonadism etc. Ask him

to write bloodtests.

Now a days there are many docs who are willing to write any bloodtests that we

ask for explaining why you think they are needed.

Actually ......... I think the number of docs that are willing to listen to the

patient is going up now a days ..... with all these urgent care clinics going up

and docs are trying not to loose their patients to other docs.

As Phil says ... you can get the tests done that are written in trtreceipe or

www.allthingsmale.com

Then you can decide based on your tests and how you feel if you need TRT or not.

This group is a knowledge base only and not a replacement to any doctor or self

treating guide.

> > >

> > > Hello,

> > > I am thinking about buying HCG at ADC but am a bit confused on all the

brands and sizes. I would like to add it to too my TRT and need some help.

Also I have no idea what size needle and where to inject?

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

This is my first vial and I have been using it for the past 3 weeks. So far it

feels good but I still have to wait to comment. It usually take about 2 weeks

for it to arrive.

> > >

> > > Hello,

> > > I am thinking about buying HCG at ADC but am a bit confused on all the

brands and sizes. I would like to add it to too my TRT and need some help.

Also I have no idea what size needle and where to inject?

> > >

> >

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