Guest guest Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 12.5 mgs EOD is the usual dosage. It is much more sparing and actually may stabilize e2 better then adex. Pregnenolone works if you get it through your skin. I was on dermacrine (TD DHEA) and it was the only thing that made it through..versabase did not now on lipoderm. > > Wow I got this today and took a half a 25mgs pill about 4 hrs ago. Now I can finely say I am feeling better. > > Just talking a 12.5 mgs or only half a pill and I am not sweating or feeing hot anymore. My Panic feelings are gone this is some strong stuff. I now thinking I might not take it tomorrow. > > I feel this is working good for me because I am 66 over weight need a very high dose of T to keep my levels up. I am in a lot of pain and it's eating up my T meds very fast. > > I do a 100 mg. shot of Test C every 3 days and I do 250 IU's of HCG the day before my Test C shot. To keep my TT levels in the 800's doing this I am making a ton of Aromatase so much so that as the generic Arimidex wears off I have this big rebound effect of Estradiol and I can feel it. Killing my Aromatase I feel is going to help me with this until I can get my body balanced out on Preg. Cream helping to keep my Cortisol levels up. Hoping this will cut down on the Testosterone meds converting into Estriadol. > > Chilln just posted this to me today I hope taking Preg. cream will help fix this problem with high Estraidol. > ====================================================================== > #17 16 Hours Ago > chilln > Super Moderator Join Date: Feb 20, 2008 > Posts: 5,736 > > > Re: Anastrozole vs Arimidex > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Quote: > Originally Posted by pmgamer18 > Yes it makes good sense I do under stand what your saying my E2 levels got much better taking 5 mgs of cortef at bed time. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Chilln said: > and > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Quote: > Originally Posted by pmgamer18 > I have taken my Arimidex in the morning I am going to try taking it at bed time see if this helps. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Chilln said: > excellent > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Quote: > Originally Posted by pmgamer18 > I still want to try Aromasin I feel I make to much Aromatase and now with the pain I am in I can't exercise I am losing weight I am down 25 lbs from last Sep. > > The Aromasin might help by killing the Aromatase so it will take longer for my E2 levels to come up. Hard says try 12.5 mgs it comes in 25 mgs pills. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Chilln said: > > Before you switch to Aromasin, please trial supplementing with arimdiex in the late arvo. Only switch to aromasin if taking your arimidex in the afternoon is still not keeping your E2 low enough overnight. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Quote: > Originally Posted by pmgamer18 > As for Cortisol my Adrenals don't get told to make it they can just don't get told to. Being Hypopituitary so all my body gets is what I give it from taking Cortef HC. Don't get me wrong my Adrenals are not shut down. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Chilln said: > > From the perspective of the cortisol-production-line hormones (eg: preg, prog, cortisol), all that ACTH does is trigger the synthesis of LDL cholesterol into pregnenolone, the remaining synthesis reactions are managed via other mechanisms which are not pituitary-controlled mechanisms. > > In other words, even with a minimally functioning pituitary, all you should need to do to boost your cortisol is supplement with some transdermal pregnenolone (not HC), and let your adrenals take care of the rest. > > As with everyone supplementing with preg (or even prog) to boost preg, prog and cortisol: if any of these get backed up, then it's because your T4 is a little low. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Quote: > Originally Posted by pmgamer18 > I feel your making some good points here. I Even check my Pain meds to see if they can make you feel like this some do. But what I am on now I was on before for about a yr. when I got out of the Hosp. with a bad bed sore that took a yr. to heal. The flesh was down to the bone in the middle of this bed sore. I got it from being put in a coma after getting one infection after the other from my heart bypass surgery. Each time they had to open me up the wire holding my chest together kept getting infected. They could not close me up because I was on coumadin so I could not be moved. > > I feel I had all them infections because the Heart surgeon took me off TRT when he did the surgery. So the pain pill I am on is not doing this. > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Chilln said: > > noted > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Quote: > Originally Posted by pmgamer18 > I don't do well on Gels or Creams they just don't get through my skin and I can't get good levels on 10 grams of Androgel and Testim best I could get was 500 on labs for TT top of range 1100. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Chilln said: > > This spells that your cortisol has been too low for too long and therefore your overall metabolism is still too low. Once you get your cortisol levels up reliably, and once you get your thyroid T4 levels up to match your increased cortisol levels, your overall metabolism will increase and your skin will absorb hormones much better. > > But I'm still not suggesting you switch to transdermal hormones. Hormone modulation therapy optimization starts with cortisol and thyroid. We should all focus on these two hromones first. In your case because you're already supplementing with T and HCG and arimidex, therefore you need to allow your cortisol and thyroid to drive your T and HCG and arimidex doses. > > Note that your E2 should fall into line once you get your cortisol and thyroid optimized. > > Ie: eventually you will be able to either drop completely the arimidex or aromasin, or at least minimize it to much smaller doses than you're taking now. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > I feel this mod Chilln at Dr. 's forum is on to something and I pray he is right. > I hope this makes sence. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 Yes Preg. cream gets through my skin my levels were very low at the bottom. I went on Life-Flo Preg. 15 mgs cream and after 12 weeks my levels went up to 117. But my Prog. never moved it's been <0.5. Then if you remember I went on Prog. cream by accident and it helped a lot until my Estraidol went even higher. I am going back on Preg. cream tommorrow morning. Co-Moderator Phil > From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...> > Subject: Re: Aromasin > > Date: Tuesday, January 11, 2011, 3:09 PM > 12.5 mgs EOD is the usual dosage. It > is much more sparing and actually may stabilize e2 better > then adex. Pregnenolone works if you get it through your > skin. I was on dermacrine (TD DHEA) and it was the only > thing that made it through..versabase did not now on > lipoderm. > > > > > > Wow I got this today and took a half a 25mgs pill > about 4 hrs ago. Now I can finely say I am feeling > better. > > > > Just talking a 12.5 mgs or only half a pill and I am > not sweating or feeing hot anymore. My Panic feelings are > gone this is some strong stuff. I now thinking I might not > take it tomorrow. > > > > I feel this is working good for me because I am 66 > over weight need a very high dose of T to keep my levels up. > I am in a lot of pain and it's eating up my T meds very > fast. > > > > I do a 100 mg. shot of Test C every 3 days and I do > 250 IU's of HCG the day before my Test C shot. To keep my TT > levels in the 800's doing this I am making a ton of > Aromatase so much so that as the generic Arimidex wears off > I have this big rebound effect of Estradiol and I can feel > it. Killing my Aromatase I feel is going to help me with > this until I can get my body balanced out on Preg. Cream > helping to keep my Cortisol levels up. Hoping this will cut > down on the Testosterone meds converting into Estriadol. > > > > Chilln just posted this to me today I hope taking > Preg. cream will help fix this problem with high Estraidol. > > > ====================================================================== > > #17 > 16 Hours Ago > > chilln > > Super Moderator Join Date: Feb 20, > 2008 > > Posts: 5,736 > > > > > > Re: Anastrozole vs Arimidex > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Quote: > > Originally Posted by pmgamer18 > > Yes it makes good sense I do under stand what your > saying my E2 levels got much better taking 5 mgs of cortef > at bed time. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Chilln said: > > and > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Quote: > > Originally Posted by pmgamer18 > > I have taken my Arimidex in the morning I am going to > try taking it at bed time see if this helps. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Chilln said: > > excellent > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Quote: > > Originally Posted by pmgamer18 > > I still want to try Aromasin I feel I make to much > Aromatase and now with the pain I am in I can't exercise I > am losing weight I am down 25 lbs from last Sep. > > > > The Aromasin might help by killing the Aromatase so it > will take longer for my E2 levels to come up. Hard says try > 12.5 mgs it comes in 25 mgs pills. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Chilln said: > > > > Before you switch to Aromasin, please trial > supplementing with arimdiex in the late arvo. Only switch to > aromasin if taking your arimidex in the afternoon is still > not keeping your E2 low enough overnight. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Quote: > > Originally Posted by pmgamer18 > > As for Cortisol my Adrenals don't get told to make it > they can just don't get told to. Being Hypopituitary so all > my body gets is what I give it from taking Cortef HC. Don't > get me wrong my Adrenals are not shut down. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Chilln said: > > > > From the perspective of the cortisol-production-line > hormones (eg: preg, prog, cortisol), all that ACTH does is > trigger the synthesis of LDL cholesterol into pregnenolone, > the remaining synthesis reactions are managed via other > mechanisms which are not pituitary-controlled mechanisms. > > > > In other words, even with a minimally functioning > pituitary, all you should need to do to boost your cortisol > is supplement with some transdermal pregnenolone (not HC), > and let your adrenals take care of the rest. > > > > As with everyone supplementing with preg (or even > prog) to boost preg, prog and cortisol: if any of these get > backed up, then it's because your T4 is a little low. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Quote: > > Originally Posted by pmgamer18 > > I feel your making some good points here. I Even check > my Pain meds to see if they can make you feel like this some > do. But what I am on now I was on before for about a yr. > when I got out of the Hosp. with a bad bed sore that took a > yr. to heal. The flesh was down to the bone in the middle of > this bed sore. I got it from being put in a coma after > getting one infection after the other from my heart bypass > surgery. Each time they had to open me up the wire holding > my chest together kept getting infected. They could not > close me up because I was on coumadin so I could not be > moved. > > > > I feel I had all them infections because the Heart > surgeon took me off TRT when he did the surgery. So the pain > pill I am on is not doing this. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Chilln said: > > > > noted > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Quote: > > Originally Posted by pmgamer18 > > I don't do well on Gels or Creams they just don't get > through my skin and I can't get good levels on 10 grams of > Androgel and Testim best I could get was 500 on labs for TT > top of range 1100. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Chilln said: > > > > This spells that your cortisol has been too low for > too long and therefore your overall metabolism is still too > low. Once you get your cortisol levels up reliably, and once > you get your thyroid T4 levels up to match your increased > cortisol levels, your overall metabolism will increase and > your skin will absorb hormones much better. > > > > But I'm still not suggesting you switch to transdermal > hormones. Hormone modulation therapy optimization starts > with cortisol and thyroid. We should all focus on these two > hromones first. In your case because you're already > supplementing with T and HCG and arimidex, therefore you > need to allow your cortisol and thyroid to drive your T and > HCG and arimidex doses. > > > > Note that your E2 should fall into line once you get > your cortisol and thyroid optimized. > > > > Ie: eventually you will be able to either drop > completely the arimidex or aromasin, or at least minimize it > to much smaller doses than you're taking now. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I feel this mod Chilln at Dr. 's forum is on to > something and I pray he is right. > > I hope this makes sence. > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 What is the diference between Aromasin, Arimidex and Femara? I took Femara years ago and it seem to be stronger or work a little better than arimidex. Does aromasin keep e2 at bay better? > > > > Wow I got this today and took a half a 25mgs pill about 4 hrs ago. Now I can finely say I am feeling better. > > > > Just talking a 12.5 mgs or only half a pill and I am not sweating or feeing hot anymore. My Panic feelings are gone this is some strong stuff. I now thinking I might not take it tomorrow. > > > > I feel this is working good for me because I am 66 over weight need a very high dose of T to keep my levels up. I am in a lot of pain and it's eating up my T meds very fast. > > > > I do a 100 mg. shot of Test C every 3 days and I do 250 IU's of HCG the day before my Test C shot. To keep my TT levels in the 800's doing this I am making a ton of Aromatase so much so that as the generic Arimidex wears off I have this big rebound effect of Estradiol and I can feel it. Killing my Aromatase I feel is going to help me with this until I can get my body balanced out on Preg. Cream helping to keep my Cortisol levels up. Hoping this will cut down on the Testosterone meds converting into Estriadol. > > > > Chilln just posted this to me today I hope taking Preg. cream will help fix this problem with high Estraidol. > > ====================================================================== > > #17 16 Hours Ago > > chilln > > Super Moderator Join Date: Feb 20, 2008 > > Posts: 5,736 > > > > > > Re: Anastrozole vs Arimidex > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Quote: > > Originally Posted by pmgamer18 > > Yes it makes good sense I do under stand what your saying my E2 levels got much better taking 5 mgs of cortef at bed time. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Chilln said: > > and > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Quote: > > Originally Posted by pmgamer18 > > I have taken my Arimidex in the morning I am going to try taking it at bed time see if this helps. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Chilln said: > > excellent > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Quote: > > Originally Posted by pmgamer18 > > I still want to try Aromasin I feel I make to much Aromatase and now with the pain I am in I can't exercise I am losing weight I am down 25 lbs from last Sep. > > > > The Aromasin might help by killing the Aromatase so it will take longer for my E2 levels to come up. Hard says try 12.5 mgs it comes in 25 mgs pills. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Chilln said: > > > > Before you switch to Aromasin, please trial supplementing with arimdiex in the late arvo. Only switch to aromasin if taking your arimidex in the afternoon is still not keeping your E2 low enough overnight. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Quote: > > Originally Posted by pmgamer18 > > As for Cortisol my Adrenals don't get told to make it they can just don't get told to. Being Hypopituitary so all my body gets is what I give it from taking Cortef HC. Don't get me wrong my Adrenals are not shut down. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Chilln said: > > > > From the perspective of the cortisol-production-line hormones (eg: preg, prog, cortisol), all that ACTH does is trigger the synthesis of LDL cholesterol into pregnenolone, the remaining synthesis reactions are managed via other mechanisms which are not pituitary-controlled mechanisms. > > > > In other words, even with a minimally functioning pituitary, all you should need to do to boost your cortisol is supplement with some transdermal pregnenolone (not HC), and let your adrenals take care of the rest. > > > > As with everyone supplementing with preg (or even prog) to boost preg, prog and cortisol: if any of these get backed up, then it's because your T4 is a little low. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Quote: > > Originally Posted by pmgamer18 > > I feel your making some good points here. I Even check my Pain meds to see if they can make you feel like this some do. But what I am on now I was on before for about a yr. when I got out of the Hosp. with a bad bed sore that took a yr. to heal. The flesh was down to the bone in the middle of this bed sore. I got it from being put in a coma after getting one infection after the other from my heart bypass surgery. Each time they had to open me up the wire holding my chest together kept getting infected. They could not close me up because I was on coumadin so I could not be moved. > > > > I feel I had all them infections because the Heart surgeon took me off TRT when he did the surgery. So the pain pill I am on is not doing this. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Chilln said: > > > > noted > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Quote: > > Originally Posted by pmgamer18 > > I don't do well on Gels or Creams they just don't get through my skin and I can't get good levels on 10 grams of Androgel and Testim best I could get was 500 on labs for TT top of range 1100. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Chilln said: > > > > This spells that your cortisol has been too low for too long and therefore your overall metabolism is still too low. Once you get your cortisol levels up reliably, and once you get your thyroid T4 levels up to match your increased cortisol levels, your overall metabolism will increase and your skin will absorb hormones much better. > > > > But I'm still not suggesting you switch to transdermal hormones. Hormone modulation therapy optimization starts with cortisol and thyroid. We should all focus on these two hromones first. In your case because you're already supplementing with T and HCG and arimidex, therefore you need to allow your cortisol and thyroid to drive your T and HCG and arimidex doses. > > > > Note that your E2 should fall into line once you get your cortisol and thyroid optimized. > > > > Ie: eventually you will be able to either drop completely the arimidex or aromasin, or at least minimize it to much smaller doses than you're taking now. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I feel this mod Chilln at Dr. 's forum is on to something and I pray he is right. > > I hope this makes sence. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 Aromasin kills Aromatase, Arimidex blocks Aromatase and Femara works like Arimidex and some women are put on both Femara and Arimidex at the same time. Co-Moderator Phil > From: fprappas <fprappas@...> > Subject: Re: Aromasin > > Date: Tuesday, January 11, 2011, 4:20 PM > What is the diference between > Aromasin, Arimidex and Femara? > I took Femara years ago and it seem to be stronger or work > a little better than arimidex. Does aromasin keep e2 > at bay better? > > > > > > > > Wow I got this today and took a half a 25mgs pill > about 4 hrs ago. Now I can finely say I am feeling > better. > > > > > > Just talking a 12.5 mgs or only half a pill and I > am not sweating or feeing hot anymore. My Panic feelings are > gone this is some strong stuff. I now thinking I might not > take it tomorrow. > > > > > > I feel this is working good for me because I am > 66 over weight need a very high dose of T to keep my levels > up. I am in a lot of pain and it's eating up my T meds very > fast. > > > > > > I do a 100 mg. shot of Test C every 3 days and I > do 250 IU's of HCG the day before my Test C shot. To keep my > TT levels in the 800's doing this I am making a ton of > Aromatase so much so that as the generic Arimidex wears off > I have this big rebound effect of Estradiol and I can feel > it. Killing my Aromatase I feel is going to help me with > this until I can get my body balanced out on Preg. Cream > helping to keep my Cortisol levels up. Hoping this will cut > down on the Testosterone meds converting into Estriadol. > > > > > > Chilln just posted this to me today I hope taking > Preg. cream will help fix this problem with high Estraidol. > > > > ====================================================================== > > > #17 > 16 Hours Ago > > > chilln > > > Super Moderator Join Date: Feb > 20, 2008 > > > Posts: 5,736 > > > > > > > > > Re: Anastrozole vs Arimidex > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Quote: > > > Originally Posted by pmgamer18 > > > Yes it makes good sense I do under stand what > your saying my E2 levels got much better taking 5 mgs of > cortef at bed time. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Chilln said: > > > and > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Quote: > > > Originally Posted by pmgamer18 > > > I have taken my Arimidex in the morning I am > going to try taking it at bed time see if this helps. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Chilln said: > > > excellent > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Quote: > > > Originally Posted by pmgamer18 > > > I still want to try Aromasin I feel I make to > much Aromatase and now with the pain I am in I can't > exercise I am losing weight I am down 25 lbs from last Sep. > > > > > > The Aromasin might help by killing the Aromatase > so it will take longer for my E2 levels to come up. Hard > says try 12.5 mgs it comes in 25 mgs pills. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Chilln said: > > > > > > Before you switch to Aromasin, please trial > supplementing with arimdiex in the late arvo. Only switch to > aromasin if taking your arimidex in the afternoon is still > not keeping your E2 low enough overnight. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Quote: > > > Originally Posted by pmgamer18 > > > As for Cortisol my Adrenals don't get told to > make it they can just don't get told to. Being Hypopituitary > so all my body gets is what I give it from taking Cortef HC. > Don't get me wrong my Adrenals are not shut down. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Chilln said: > > > > > > From the perspective of the > cortisol-production-line hormones (eg: preg, prog, > cortisol), all that ACTH does is trigger the synthesis of > LDL cholesterol into pregnenolone, the remaining synthesis > reactions are managed via other mechanisms which are not > pituitary-controlled mechanisms. > > > > > > In other words, even with a minimally functioning > pituitary, all you should need to do to boost your cortisol > is supplement with some transdermal pregnenolone (not HC), > and let your adrenals take care of the rest. > > > > > > As with everyone supplementing with preg (or even > prog) to boost preg, prog and cortisol: if any of these get > backed up, then it's because your T4 is a little low. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Quote: > > > Originally Posted by pmgamer18 > > > I feel your making some good points here. I Even > check my Pain meds to see if they can make you feel like > this some do. But what I am on now I was on before for about > a yr. when I got out of the Hosp. with a bad bed sore that > took a yr. to heal. The flesh was down to the bone in the > middle of this bed sore. I got it from being put in a coma > after getting one infection after the other from my heart > bypass surgery. Each time they had to open me up the wire > holding my chest together kept getting infected. They could > not close me up because I was on coumadin so I could not be > moved. > > > > > > I feel I had all them infections because the > Heart surgeon took me off TRT when he did the surgery. So > the pain pill I am on is not doing this. > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Chilln said: > > > > > > noted > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Quote: > > > Originally Posted by pmgamer18 > > > I don't do well on Gels or Creams they just don't > get through my skin and I can't get good levels on 10 grams > of Androgel and Testim best I could get was 500 on labs for > TT top of range 1100. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Chilln said: > > > > > > This spells that your cortisol has been too low > for too long and therefore your overall metabolism is still > too low. Once you get your cortisol levels up reliably, and > once you get your thyroid T4 levels up to match your > increased cortisol levels, your overall metabolism will > increase and your skin will absorb hormones much better. > > > > > > But I'm still not suggesting you switch to > transdermal hormones. Hormone modulation therapy > optimization starts with cortisol and thyroid. We should all > focus on these two hromones first. In your case because > you're already supplementing with T and HCG and arimidex, > therefore you need to allow your cortisol and thyroid to > drive your T and HCG and arimidex doses. > > > > > > Note that your E2 should fall into line once you > get your cortisol and thyroid optimized. > > > > > > Ie: eventually you will be able to either drop > completely the arimidex or aromasin, or at least minimize it > to much smaller doses than you're taking now. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > I feel this mod Chilln at Dr. 's forum is on > to something and I pray he is right. > > > I hope this makes sence. > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 femura has a longer half live then all of these if I remember correctly making it much harder to dose. Aromasin does not have a horrible rebound effect like adex does Adex half live is 50 hours which means it needs to be adminstered every 3-4 days minumim to get effects Aromasin and femura are suicide inhibitors -these may lower shbg when adex doesn't. This will suppress up to 90% of e2 production. armidex is an aromatse inhibitor People who have bad fluctating e2 may do better on aromasin which does not affect igf-1 production. Adex may affect this. > > > > > > Wow I got this today and took a half a 25mgs pill about 4 hrs ago. Now I can finely say I am feeling better. > > > > > > Just talking a 12.5 mgs or only half a pill and I am not sweating or feeing hot anymore. My Panic feelings are gone this is some strong stuff. I now thinking I might not take it tomorrow. > > > > > > I feel this is working good for me because I am 66 over weight need a very high dose of T to keep my levels up. I am in a lot of pain and it's eating up my T meds very fast. > > > > > > I do a 100 mg. shot of Test C every 3 days and I do 250 IU's of HCG the day before my Test C shot. To keep my TT levels in the 800's doing this I am making a ton of Aromatase so much so that as the generic Arimidex wears off I have this big rebound effect of Estradiol and I can feel it. Killing my Aromatase I feel is going to help me with this until I can get my body balanced out on Preg. Cream helping to keep my Cortisol levels up. Hoping this will cut down on the Testosterone meds converting into Estriadol. > > > > > > Chilln just posted this to me today I hope taking Preg. cream will help fix this problem with high Estraidol. > > > ====================================================================== > > > #17 16 Hours Ago > > > chilln > > > Super Moderator Join Date: Feb 20, 2008 > > > Posts: 5,736 > > > > > > > > > Re: Anastrozole vs Arimidex > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Quote: > > > Originally Posted by pmgamer18 > > > Yes it makes good sense I do under stand what your saying my E2 levels got much better taking 5 mgs of cortef at bed time. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Chilln said: > > > and > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Quote: > > > Originally Posted by pmgamer18 > > > I have taken my Arimidex in the morning I am going to try taking it at bed time see if this helps. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Chilln said: > > > excellent > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Quote: > > > Originally Posted by pmgamer18 > > > I still want to try Aromasin I feel I make to much Aromatase and now with the pain I am in I can't exercise I am losing weight I am down 25 lbs from last Sep. > > > > > > The Aromasin might help by killing the Aromatase so it will take longer for my E2 levels to come up. Hard says try 12.5 mgs it comes in 25 mgs pills. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Chilln said: > > > > > > Before you switch to Aromasin, please trial supplementing with arimdiex in the late arvo. Only switch to aromasin if taking your arimidex in the afternoon is still not keeping your E2 low enough overnight. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Quote: > > > Originally Posted by pmgamer18 > > > As for Cortisol my Adrenals don't get told to make it they can just don't get told to. Being Hypopituitary so all my body gets is what I give it from taking Cortef HC. Don't get me wrong my Adrenals are not shut down. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Chilln said: > > > > > > From the perspective of the cortisol-production-line hormones (eg: preg, prog, cortisol), all that ACTH does is trigger the synthesis of LDL cholesterol into pregnenolone, the remaining synthesis reactions are managed via other mechanisms which are not pituitary-controlled mechanisms. > > > > > > In other words, even with a minimally functioning pituitary, all you should need to do to boost your cortisol is supplement with some transdermal pregnenolone (not HC), and let your adrenals take care of the rest. > > > > > > As with everyone supplementing with preg (or even prog) to boost preg, prog and cortisol: if any of these get backed up, then it's because your T4 is a little low. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Quote: > > > Originally Posted by pmgamer18 > > > I feel your making some good points here. I Even check my Pain meds to see if they can make you feel like this some do. But what I am on now I was on before for about a yr. when I got out of the Hosp. with a bad bed sore that took a yr. to heal. The flesh was down to the bone in the middle of this bed sore. I got it from being put in a coma after getting one infection after the other from my heart bypass surgery. Each time they had to open me up the wire holding my chest together kept getting infected. They could not close me up because I was on coumadin so I could not be moved. > > > > > > I feel I had all them infections because the Heart surgeon took me off TRT when he did the surgery. So the pain pill I am on is not doing this. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Chilln said: > > > > > > noted > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Quote: > > > Originally Posted by pmgamer18 > > > I don't do well on Gels or Creams they just don't get through my skin and I can't get good levels on 10 grams of Androgel and Testim best I could get was 500 on labs for TT top of range 1100. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Chilln said: > > > > > > This spells that your cortisol has been too low for too long and therefore your overall metabolism is still too low. Once you get your cortisol levels up reliably, and once you get your thyroid T4 levels up to match your increased cortisol levels, your overall metabolism will increase and your skin will absorb hormones much better. > > > > > > But I'm still not suggesting you switch to transdermal hormones. Hormone modulation therapy optimization starts with cortisol and thyroid. We should all focus on these two hromones first. In your case because you're already supplementing with T and HCG and arimidex, therefore you need to allow your cortisol and thyroid to drive your T and HCG and arimidex doses. > > > > > > Note that your E2 should fall into line once you get your cortisol and thyroid optimized. > > > > > > Ie: eventually you will be able to either drop completely the arimidex or aromasin, or at least minimize it to much smaller doses than you're taking now. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > I feel this mod Chilln at Dr. 's forum is on to something and I pray he is right. > > > I hope this makes sence. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 Yesterday I lost 3 lbs then last night I was up most of the night going to the bathroom this morning I lost 5 more lbs. so that's 8 lbs in 2 days. I did not take the Aromasin this morning just did not feel like I needed it. I don't do any HCG or Test C shots today. Wood is good so I am not to low. This loss of water tells me my Estradiol levels are down I hold a lot of water with higher levels. > > > > > > I still feel good and I don't mind driving my E2 down > > to low as long as this kills all of the extra Aromatase my > > body keeps making. I can read my body so I feel I can > > handle the Aromasin. > > > Co-Moderator > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2011 Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 Hi, I've been using arimidex for a long time... 1/2 tab eod works for me. but I had a chance to get some aromasin (International Pharmaceuticals, aka IP... chinese... popular with the BB crowd) at a good price as an " introductory product " at a well known BB source (now apparently really and truly shut down) and must say I really prefer it to the arimidex... 1/2 tab ED works fine for me and I like the ED dosing (I'm just not crazy about eod or e3rdday kinda dosing... it's to easy to miss a dose) I see that All Day Chemist carries it... but it's pretty pricey... (or at least it was last time I checked) ... and my insurance won't cover it for me. anybody got any good/reliable/resonable source for it? ttyl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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