Re: My Labs and some Questions

[Guest guest]

Hi R.

One big thing I see is your Estradiol levels are very high and your Dr. did a

women's labs test for it. Still your very high next time you test this do a

Quest labs Sensitive Estradiol test for men #4021 the range is 13 to 54 pg/ml

you need to be at about 20. This is high level can fool your Brain into

thinking your T levels are high and with this happens it lowers the LH levels

the message sent to your testis by your brain to tell them to make more T.

So getting Estradiol levels down your Testosterone levels can come up some 200

to 300 Points and you will not need TRT.

This happens because your brain can't tell the diff. between high Estrdiol and

Testosterone so it sees high Estradiol as Testosterone and thinks your

Testosterone levels are to high and slows down sending the LH to your testis to

make more T.

So it's best to get Estradiol levels down then test see if your Testosterone

levels come up before trying TRT.

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/89/3/1174

http://www.medibolics.com/ArimidexBoostsTestosterone.htm

http://www.griffinmedical.com/male_hormone_modulation_therapy.html

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: sabinauzb jaha <rovshan_s@...>

> Subject: My Labs and some Questions

>

> Date: Monday, April 19, 2010, 1:11 AM

> Hello,

>

> I wanted to share my latest lab and get an advice from you

> people on what do you think would be the right next step for

> me in my situation.

>

> Estradiol 43 (<56)

> Free T3 3.56 (2.3 -4.2)

> Testosterone 334 (262-1593)

> TSH 0.66 (0.65 - 3.20)

> FSH 1.0 (0.7 - 11.1)

> Lutenizing Hormone 1.5 (0.8 - 7.6)

> Free T4 0.85 ( 0.6 - 1.6)

>

> The previous test was drawn on Jan 19 of 2010 when my

> Testosterone was 252. Since then I changed my life style (by

> doc's suggestion) to more or less healthy life style . I

> still have some drinking issues but not to the extend where

> i think it can impact my numbers being so low. I feel very

> low libido, and though I do get morning wood about 90% of

> the time and night wood around 85, I really don't enjoy my

> sex life as much anymore, just because of libido issues; For

> someone really active like myself it's quite a challenge and

> of course has a psychological impact. My next visit with URO

> is next week, and I'm pretty sure that he will say that I

> should continue with the healthy life style and exercise and

> my numbers will keep improving, I was wondering what are

> your opinions and how can I improve on my libido.

>

> Thank You,

> R

>

>

>

>      

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank You Phil for your comments couple of other things that arouse as a result

of your comments:

1) Do you think I should take another test first, since the one I took seem to

be not the correct one, before concluding that I do have a high estradiol, or is

this test good enough to make those conclusions ?

2) Do you know what is the cost of the test for estradiol #4021 in Lab Corps if

one does it without doctor's presrciption and insurance ?

3) Does high level of estradiol has a direct impact on male Libido ?

4) It seems like the you suggesting taking Armidex to get down estradiol?! How

long do you think one should take it before seeing results ?

Thanks again,

________________________________

From: philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>

Sent: Mon, April 19, 2010 7:03:23 AM

Subject: Re: My Labs and some Questions

 

Hi R.

One big thing I see is your Estradiol levels are very high and your Dr. did a

women's labs test for it. Still your very high next time you test this do a

Quest labs Sensitive Estradiol test for men #4021 the range is 13 to 54 pg/ml

you need to be at about 20. This is high level can fool your Brain into thinking

your T levels are high and with this happens it lowers the LH levels the message

sent to your testis by your brain to tell them to make more T.

So getting Estradiol levels down your Testosterone levels can come up some 200

to 300 Points and you will not need TRT.

This happens because your brain can't tell the diff. between high Estrdiol and

Testosterone so it sees high Estradiol as Testosterone and thinks your

Testosterone levels are to high and slows down sending the LH to your testis to

make more T.

So it's best to get Estradiol levels down then test see if your Testosterone

levels come up before trying TRT.

http://jcem. endojournals. org/cgi/content/ full/89/3/ 1174

http://www.medibolics.com/ArimidexBoostsTestosterone.htm

http://www.griffinmedical.com/male_hormone_modulation_therapy.html

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: sabinauzb jaha <rovshan_s (DOT) com>

> Subject: My Labs and some Questions

>

> Date: Monday, April 19, 2010, 1:11 AM

> Hello,

>

> I wanted to share my latest lab and get an advice from you

> people on what do you think would be the right next step for

> me in my situation.

>

> Estradiol 43 (<56)

> Free T3 3.56 (2.3 -4.2)

> Testosterone 334 (262-1593)

> TSH 0.66 (0.65 - 3.20)

> FSH 1.0 (0.7 - 11.1)

> Lutenizing Hormone 1.5 (0.8 - 7.6)

> Free T4 0.85 ( 0.6 - 1.6)

>

> The previous test was drawn on Jan 19 of 2010 when my

> Testosterone was 252. Since then I changed my life style (by

> doc's suggestion) to more or less healthy life style . I

> still have some drinking issues but not to the extend where

> i think it can impact my numbers being so low. I feel very

> low libido, and though I do get morning wood about 90% of

> the time and night wood around 85, I really don't enjoy my

> sex life as much anymore, just because of libido issues; For

> someone really active like myself it's quite a challenge and

> of course has a psychological impact. My next visit with URO

> is next week, and I'm pretty sure that he will say that I

> should continue with the healthy life style and exercise and

> my numbers will keep improving, I was wondering what are

> your opinions and how can I improve on my libido.

>

> Thank You,

> R

>

>

>

>      

>

>

[Guest guest]

No I feel by them labs your high they just don't go low enough for men when they

take something to get Estradiol levels down. You can do the Estradiol test

#4021 with Quest or you can use Labcorps

E2

Estradiol-17-β

Test Number: 140244 CPT Code: 82670

Yes if you have problems with libido it's in most men with T levels like yours

there high Estradiol.

If your not on TRT Indolplex/DIM a supplement would work read the following

about DIM and Arimidex.

Note: If your not on TRT keep track of your night time wood as in the following

if you get it back and the lose it your driving your Estradiol to low and your

not on TRT so stop taking what your using until wood comes back then go back on

it but take less or post to me about so I can keep you from going to low.

====================================================

ALL ABOUT DIM.

Sure here is a few links that are all about it. But there are a lot of Co.'s

out there selling DIM that don't work well. Indolplex/DIM is the best it dose

not get killed in your stomach when you take it.

Diindolylmethane (DIM) is a stable indole found in cruciferous vegetables which

promotes a beneficial estrogen metabolism in both women and men.

http://www.dimfaq.com/index.htm

in this link it's full of links about it.

http://qualitycounts.com/fpdim.html

http://www.jbc.org/content/278/23/21136.full

If you have DIM in caps it's not Indolplex so to take this and to get it to work

open the cap pore the DIM into a spoon add some Olive oil and take it this helps

to keep it from getting killed in your stomach.

The following is some links to where you can buy Indolplex/DIM.

http://www.vitaglo.com/e5336.html

http://www.vitacost.com/EnzymaticTherapyEstroBalancewithDIM/searchby-PN/searchte\

xt-dim

http://www.iherb.com/Enzymatic-Therapy-Pure-Rip-with-DIM-60-Tablets/12814?at=0

http://www.iherb.com/Enzymatic-Therapy-Pure-Rip-with-DIM-60-Tablets/12814?at=0

http://www.estrobalance.net/

http://www.easyhealthzone.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=PP0108 & click=71

http://www.nbizz.com/longevityclinic/listings/213.html

http://www.drugnatural.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD & Store_Code=DMOS & Product_\

Code=156497

http://www.smartbomb.com/itindo9.html?utm_source=mercent & utm_medium=shopcompare & \

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http://www.ritecare.com/cgi-bin/cart.pl?db=product_db.dat & category=natural+medic\

ine & method=any_words & search=iti-75336

http://www.naturamart.com/phytopharmica-pms-formula-with-indoplex-120-caps.html

How to take Indolplex/DIM take one tablet 120 mgs at dinner time it can take 2

weeks to 2 months to get your Estradiol levels down it’s all about how high

you are in your levels. What you need to do is get this down to about 20 pg/ml.

When you get this low your night time and morning wood will come back so strong

it will wake you up this means most of the time your at your best levels or what

I call the sweet spot. Keep taking the DIM but if your wood stops your going

down to low so just stop taking it. The day your wood comes back go back on

the DIM but cut the tablet in half. If your Testosterone was tested and low but

your not on TRT get it tested again you might find your levels came up some 200

to 300 points.

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/89/3/1174

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How To Take Arimdex and not go down on your Estradiol to Low.

What I found is if you go to low taking arimidex, it's the length of time your

to low, if your too low say for 8 weeks it can take your body a longer time to

make more Estradiol. Bottom line is to know how not to go to low. Keep a log on

your dose and how you feel men going to low can't get it up taking Viagra. I

went to low when I first tried Arimidex and did not know about going to low or

how one feels to low, so I was low a good 8 weeks. I did not know I was low

until my next labs.

The best gage I have found to control your Estradiol levels is to gage your

night time and morning wood. At good levels or what I call the sweet spot you

get your night time and morning wood back so strong it will wake you up and you

can hang a coat on it.

Most men do good taking .25 mgs or 1/4 of a 1mg. pill, I use a pill cutter to

cut the small pill in half then I stand it on the cut end and use a single edge

razor to cut this in half. A good way to take arimidex is by how high your

levels are. I tested over 90 pg/ml so we tried doing .5 mgs every other day

after 8 weeks my next set of labs showed it did not move below 90, test said

>90. So we did .5 mgs. every day in about 2 weeks I got some strong night time

and morning wood back after not having them for many yrs.

I kept doing this dose and in 8 weeks my next set of labs said <20 back in the

day labs were like this they did not have to good labs we have today they could

not read lower the 20. My Dr. told me this looks to low to stop taking the

Arimidex. The one thing I noticed was my wood stopped and stopping the Arimidex

my wood came back in about 7 weeks my next test at 8 weeks was 24 pg/ml. So we

went back on the Arimidex but the Dr. told me to take .5 mgs every 3 days I was

on this dose not a week and lost wood. This is when I figured out going to low

you lose wood. And the longer your too low the longer it takes to get levels

back up.

I stopped the arimidex right away and got my wood back in 4 days. I then after

playing with the dose for a time found the best dose is .25mgs every 2 to 3

days.

So lets say your labs are less the 50 pg/ml if your take .5 mgs you can go down

so dam fast your miss the sweet spot of your wood and go to low. It's best with

lower levels 50 and under to do less Arimidex .25mgs every 2 days if later your

lose wood when it comes back go to every 3 days.

I have found estradiol is the hardest hormone to control, it goes up or down

from month to month some times I need .25mgs every 2 days other times I need

..25mgs everyday most of the time I do well on every 3 days.

So between wood and labs I do great and so do most of the men I have told this

to. I keep a log on how much I am taking and how I feel. Doing this and reading

back in my log I was able to tell when I was going to high or to low my Dr. lets

me dose my arimidex by how I feel.

Over the yrs. I have posted this story until I am blue in the face.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > From: sabinauzb jaha <rovshan_s (DOT) com>

> > Subject: My Labs and some Questions

> >

> > Date: Monday, April 19, 2010, 1:11 AM

> > Hello,

> >

> > I wanted to share my latest lab and get an advice from

> you

> > people on what do you think would be the right next

> step for

> > me in my situation.

> >

> > Estradiol 43 (<56)

> > Free T3 3.56 (2.3 -4.2)

> > Testosterone 334 (262-1593)

> > TSH 0.66 (0.65 - 3.20)

> > FSH 1.0 (0.7 - 11.1)

> > Lutenizing Hormone 1.5 (0.8 - 7.6)

> > Free T4 0.85 ( 0.6 - 1.6)

> >

> > The previous test was drawn on Jan 19 of 2010 when my

> > Testosterone was 252. Since then I changed my life

> style (by

> > doc's suggestion) to more or less healthy life style .

> I

> > still have some drinking issues but not to the extend

> where

> > i think it can impact my numbers being so low. I feel

> very

> > low libido, and though I do get morning wood about 90%

> of

> > the time and night wood around 85, I really don't

> enjoy my

> > sex life as much anymore, just because of libido

> issues; For

> > someone really active like myself it's quite a

> challenge and

> > of course has a psychological impact. My next visit

> with URO

> > is next week, and I'm pretty sure that he will say

> that I

> > should continue with the healthy life style and

> exercise and

> > my numbers will keep improving, I was wondering what

> are

> > your opinions and how can I improve on my libido.

> >

> > Thank You,

> > R

> >

> >

> >

> >      

> >

> >