Re: Advice on telling my situation to my Father

[Guest guest]

The person who can best tell you how to deal with your father would be your

mother. My son has often told me stuff that we just don't tell his father.

Sometimes he'll even raise up his hands and say, " no, don't tell me, I don't

want to know. " Not saying this is how your father is, but your Mom would be the

best advisor.

Barb

>

>

> As you may know, I messed up my body with TRT and Nolvadex and have been

suffering from side effects for a while.

>

> I never told my parents at first because I fear that they will be very

disappointed with me. Which, they should be.

>

> I just told my mother about it, and she is giving me great moral support.

>

> I haven't told my father, he is a different character and a manic depressive.

I don't want to give him anymore worries, but at the same time, I am tired of

living a lie i.e. lying about my reason for going to Lansing, etc. (I work with

my father and see him everyday). I have to make up excuses to go and get lab

work done etc. I could use his support and understanding.

>

> My father and I are not too close and I feel more like an employee rather than

his son most of the time. So it is difficult for me to explain this to him, at

the same time, I know I should. I know he won't take it well either, it could

cause him to be depressed for a long time and he'll stop working and stop taking

care of his health (he's not in good health).

>

> I feel stupid asking you guys this question. But any suggestions?

>

> Thx all.

>

> Marc M

>

[Guest guest]

My parents are. Divorced and don't talk to each other.

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Re: Advice on telling my situation to my Father

The person who can best tell you how to deal with your father would be your

mother. My son has often told me stuff that we just don't tell his father.

Sometimes he'll even raise up his hands and say, " no, don't tell me, I don't

want to know. " Not saying this is how your father is, but your Mom would be the

best advisor.

Barb

>

>

> As you may know, I messed up my body with TRT and Nolvadex and have been

suffering from side effects for a while.

>

> I never told my parents at first because I fear that they will be very

disappointed with me. Which, they should be.

>

> I just told my mother about it, and she is giving me great moral support.

>

> I haven't told my father, he is a different character and a manic depressive.

I don't want to give him anymore worries, but at the same time, I am tired of

living a lie i.e. lying about my reason for going to Lansing, etc. (I work with

my father and see him everyday). I have to make up excuses to go and get lab

work done etc. I could use his support and understanding.

>

> My father and I are not too close and I feel more like an employee rather than

his son most of the time. So it is difficult for me to explain this to him, at

the same time, I know I should. I know he won't take it well either, it could

cause him to be depressed for a long time and he'll stop working and stop taking

care of his health (he's not in good health).

>

> I feel stupid asking you guys this question. But any suggestions?

>

> Thx all.

>

> Marc M

>

[Guest guest]

But I didn't say she should tell him. ??

> >

> >

> > As you may know, I messed up my body with TRT and Nolvadex and have been

suffering from side effects for a while.

> >

> > I never told my parents at first because I fear that they will be very

disappointed with me. Which, they should be.

> >

> > I just told my mother about it, and she is giving me great moral support.

> >

> > I haven't told my father, he is a different character and a manic

depressive. I don't want to give him anymore worries, but at the same time, I

am tired of living a lie i.e. lying about my reason for going to Lansing, etc.

(I work with my father and see him everyday). I have to make up excuses to go

and get lab work done etc. I could use his support and understanding.

> >

> > My father and I are not too close and I feel more like an employee rather

than his son most of the time. So it is difficult for me to explain this to

him, at the same time, I know I should. I know he won't take it well either, it

could cause him to be depressed for a long time and he'll stop working and stop

taking care of his health (he's not in good health).

> >

> > I feel stupid asking you guys this question. But any suggestions?

> >

> > Thx all.

> >

> > Marc M

> >

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Don't quite know what to say Marc.

Obviously if your father was well you should tell him,.....what you did has only

hurt you per se. You made the choice, and now you are paying the price for your

own decisions.

I can't say how to break anything to a person suffering from mental illness

though, and won't go there.

Maybe you can just tell him you aren't feeling well in general, and need to have

some tests done?

I am not in favor of lying, but what you said about your dad sounds pretty

serious. Good luck with whatever you choose.

[Guest guest]

Marc,

I was in a similar situation to you. When I crashed and burned, I was in

the middle of graduate school in Ireland. My parents had given me a lot of

money and had sacrificed a lot in order for me to go over there. So, when I

had to come home, it was very hard for me to tell them. Especially my father

who grew up farming so he doesn't believe in illness or seeing the doctor

for anything unless you are dying. So, as you can imagine, this was a very

difficult thing for me to tell them.

What I did was be completely honest with them. I told them that I had made

some mistakes in life when I was younger and as a result, I wound up in this

condition. I also told them that it was a learning experience and a mistake

that I will not repeat again. I further explained to them that this is a

very common condition that a lot of men go through and that in the hands of

the right doctor, it is very treatable. I even bought some books at

and Noble and gave them to my parents to read. In your case, you may even

want to show your Dad Dr. Crisler's website.

In the end, they both came around eventually and they are now both very

supportive of what I am doing. My father even told me that he admired what

I was dong because most men would just accept how they feel and wouldn't to

anything about it.

Hope this helps.

Mike

On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Barb <baba@...> wrote:

>

>

> But I didn't say she should tell him. ??

>

>

>

> > >

> > >

> > > As you may know, I messed up my body with TRT and Nolvadex and have

> been suffering from side effects for a while.

> > >

> > > I never told my parents at first because I fear that they will be very

> disappointed with me. Which, they should be.

> > >

> > > I just told my mother about it, and she is giving me great moral

> support.

> > >

> > > I haven't told my father, he is a different character and a manic

> depressive. I don't want to give him anymore worries, but at the same time,

> I am tired of living a lie i.e. lying about my reason for going to Lansing,

> etc. (I work with my father and see him everyday). I have to make up excuses

> to go and get lab work done etc. I could use his support and understanding.

> > >

> > > My father and I are not too close and I feel more like an employee

> rather than his son most of the time. So it is difficult for me to explain

> this to him, at the same time, I know I should. I know he won't take it well

> either, it could cause him to be depressed for a long time and he'll stop

> working and stop taking care of his health (he's not in good health).

> > >

> > > I feel stupid asking you guys this question. But any suggestions?

> > >

> > > Thx all.

> > >

> > > Marc M

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I meant I don't think she would be good at that. Thx though.

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Re: Advice on telling my situation to my Father

But I didn't say she should tell him. ??

> >

> >

> > As you may know, I messed up my body with TRT and Nolvadex and have been

suffering from side effects for a while.

> >

> > I never told my parents at first because I fear that they will be very

disappointed with me. Which, they should be.

> >

> > I just told my mother about it, and she is giving me great moral support.

> >

> > I haven't told my father, he is a different character and a manic

depressive. I don't want to give him anymore worries, but at the same time, I

am tired of living a lie i.e. lying about my reason for going to Lansing, etc.

(I work with my father and see him everyday). I have to make up excuses to go

and get lab work done etc. I could use his support and understanding.

> >

> > My father and I are not too close and I feel more like an employee rather

than his son most of the time. So it is difficult for me to explain this to

him, at the same time, I know I should. I know he won't take it well either, it

could cause him to be depressed for a long time and he'll stop working and stop

taking care of his health (he's not in good health).

> >

> > I feel stupid asking you guys this question. But any suggestions?

> >

> > Thx all.

> >

> > Marc M

> >

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you, good advice.

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Re: Re: Advice on telling my situation to my Father

Marc,

I was in a similar situation to you. When I crashed and burned, I was in

the middle of graduate school in Ireland. My parents had given me a lot of

money and had sacrificed a lot in order for me to go over there. So, when I

had to come home, it was very hard for me to tell them. Especially my father

who grew up farming so he doesn't believe in illness or seeing the doctor

for anything unless you are dying. So, as you can imagine, this was a very

difficult thing for me to tell them.

What I did was be completely honest with them. I told them that I had made

some mistakes in life when I was younger and as a result, I wound up in this

condition. I also told them that it was a learning experience and a mistake

that I will not repeat again. I further explained to them that this is a

very common condition that a lot of men go through and that in the hands of

the right doctor, it is very treatable. I even bought some books at

and Noble and gave them to my parents to read. In your case, you may even

want to show your Dad Dr. Crisler's website.

In the end, they both came around eventually and they are now both very

supportive of what I am doing. My father even told me that he admired what

I was dong because most men would just accept how they feel and wouldn't to

anything about it.

Hope this helps.

Mike

On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Barb <baba@...> wrote:

>

>

> But I didn't say she should tell him. ??

>

>

>

> > >

> > >

> > > As you may know, I messed up my body with TRT and Nolvadex and have

> been suffering from side effects for a while.

> > >

> > > I never told my parents at first because I fear that they will be very

> disappointed with me. Which, they should be.

> > >

> > > I just told my mother about it, and she is giving me great moral

> support.

> > >

> > > I haven't told my father, he is a different character and a manic

> depressive. I don't want to give him anymore worries, but at the same time,

> I am tired of living a lie i.e. lying about my reason for going to Lansing,

> etc. (I work with my father and see him everyday). I have to make up excuses

> to go and get lab work done etc. I could use his support and understanding.

> > >

> > > My father and I are not too close and I feel more like an employee

> rather than his son most of the time. So it is difficult for me to explain

> this to him, at the same time, I know I should. I know he won't take it well

> either, it could cause him to be depressed for a long time and he'll stop

> working and stop taking care of his health (he's not in good health).

> > >

> > > I feel stupid asking you guys this question. But any suggestions?

> > >

> > > Thx all.

> > >

> > > Marc M

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Thx. For youir advice, I will post what happens.

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Re: Advice on telling my situation to my Father

Don't quite know what to say Marc.

Obviously if your father was well you should tell him,.....what you did has only

hurt you per se. You made the choice, and now you are paying the price for your

own decisions.

I can't say how to break anything to a person suffering from mental illness

though, and won't go there.

Maybe you can just tell him you aren't feeling well in general, and need to have

some tests done?

I am not in favor of lying, but what you said about your dad sounds pretty

serious. Good luck with whatever you choose.

[Guest guest]

Marc,

Ask your mom if she thinks telling your dad would be wise or not.  If not, you

still won't be " living a lie " because A) your mom knows and the reason you

aren't telling your dad is for his benefit, not for your benefit.  When you

lied it was for your benefit. 

If mom says " don't tell him " , then I would leave it be and move on.  I remember

once I had a big " talk " with my mom about how my dad hit us with a belt as kids

and how she just stood by and never jumped in to help us and so on.  Bad

move.  The next day I thought my mom was going to die - she looked so bad. 

She came up to me and asked me to never bring it up again - I never did. 

Don't get something off your chest when doing so may really hurt someone you

love.  If you do, isn't that selfishness as bad (or worse) than the lie? 

Pray ...... and ask for wisdom.

Bill

________________________________

From: Marc M <MisterX225@...>

Sent: Fri, June 4, 2010 11:50:04 AM

Subject: Advice on telling my situation to my Father

 

As you may know, I messed up my body with TRT and Nolvadex and have been

suffering from side effects for a while.

I never told my parents at first because I fear that they will be very

disappointed with me. Which, they should be.

I just told my mother about it, and she is giving me great moral support.

I haven't told my father, he is a different character and a manic depressive. I

don't want to give him anymore worries, but at the same time, I am tired of

living a lie i.e. lying about my reason for going to Lansing, etc. (I work with

my father and see him everyday). I have to make up excuses to go and get lab

work done etc. I could use his support and understanding.

My father and I are not too close and I feel more like an employee rather than

his son most of the time. So it is difficult for me to explain this to him, at

the same time, I know I should. I know he won't take it well either, it could

cause him to be depressed for a long time and he'll stop working and stop taking

care of his health (he's not in good health).

I feel stupid asking you guys this question. But any suggestions?

Thx all.

Marc M

[Guest guest]

THX for the advice. My mom told me to tell him

Thank you. For everything.

Marc.

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Advice on telling my situation to my Father

 

As you may know, I messed up my body with TRT and Nolvadex and have been

suffering from side effects for a while.

I never told my parents at first because I fear that they will be very

disappointed with me. Which, they should be.

I just told my mother about it, and she is giving me great moral support.

I haven't told my father, he is a different character and a manic depressive. I

don't want to give him anymore worries, but at the same time, I am tired of

living a lie i.e. lying about my reason for going to Lansing, etc. (I work with

my father and see him everyday). I have to make up excuses to go and get lab

work done etc. I could use his support and understanding.

My father and I are not too close and I feel more like an employee rather than

his son most of the time. So it is difficult for me to explain this to him, at

the same time, I know I should. I know he won't take it well either, it could

cause him to be depressed for a long time and he'll stop working and stop taking

care of his health (he's not in good health).

I feel stupid asking you guys this question. But any suggestions?

Thx all.

Marc M

[Guest guest]

Well there is your answer!

If mom said to tell him do it,......just lead into it gently I guess if he is

bad about dealing with things.

Reinforce that you want this in the open, and it was your own fault and you are

only looking for support.

Dumping burdens that you have been carrying can help tremendously!

[Guest guest]

I will tell him soon. Maybe in an hour. It must be done

THX

Marc

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Re: Advice on telling my situation to my Father

Well there is your answer!

If mom said to tell him do it,......just lead into it gently I guess if he is

bad about dealing with things.

Reinforce that you want this in the open, and it was your own fault and you are

only looking for support.

Dumping burdens that you have been carrying can help tremendously!

[Guest guest]

Honesty is always the best policy. You can't control how other people

feel/react, but you can control how you treat them by being honest with

them. Just my humble opinion.

On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Marc Michaud <MisterX225@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> I will tell him soon. Maybe in an hour. It must be done

>

> THX

>

> Marc

> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

>

> Re: Advice on telling my situation to my Father

>

> Well there is your answer!

> If mom said to tell him do it,......just lead into it gently I guess if he

> is bad about dealing with things.

>

> Reinforce that you want this in the open, and it was your own fault and you

> are only looking for support.

> Dumping burdens that you have been carrying can help tremendously!

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Don't tell him you messed your self up you don't even know if this is what

happened in the first place. Let Dr. figure this out if he says your

Secondary hypogonadism tell your dad this not that you took something that did

this. This way if he asks how this happened you can say no one knows it just

happens to men. Your a mess don't mess up your Dad if he has Problems of his

own. And doing this your tell him the truth.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Marc M <MisterX225@...>

> Subject: Advice on telling my situation to my Father

>

> Date: Friday, June 4, 2010, 11:50 AM

>

> As you may know, I messed up my body with TRT and Nolvadex

> and have been suffering from side effects for a while.

>

> I never told my parents at first because I fear that they

> will be very disappointed with me.  Which, they should

> be. 

>

> I just told my mother about it, and she is giving me great

> moral support.

>

> I haven't told my father, he is a different character and a

> manic depressive.  I don't want to give him anymore

> worries, but at the same time, I am tired of living a lie

> i.e. lying about my reason for going to Lansing, etc. (I

> work with my father and see him everyday).  I have to

> make up excuses to go and get lab work done etc.  I

> could use his support and understanding. 

>

> My father and I are not too close and I feel more like an

> employee rather than his son most of the time.  So it

> is difficult for me to explain this to him, at the same

> time, I know I should.  I know he won't take it well

> either, it could cause him to be depressed for a long time

> and he'll stop working and stop taking care of his health

> (he's not in good health).

>

> I feel stupid asking you guys this question.  But any

> suggestions? 

>

> Thx all.

>

> Marc M

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

I couldn't have said it better myself.

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Re: Advice on telling my situation to my Father

>

> Well there is your answer!

> If mom said to tell him do it,......just lead into it gently I guess if he

> is bad about dealing with things.

>

> Reinforce that you want this in the open, and it was your own fault and you

> are only looking for support.

> Dumping burdens that you have been carrying can help tremendously!

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

That's true, I am gonna tell him, he suspects something is up anyways.

I will say too him that I will get better because I believe I will.

I don't want to lie.

THX Phil.

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Advice on telling my situation to my Father

>

> Date: Friday, June 4, 2010, 11:50 AM

>

> As you may know, I messed up my body with TRT and Nolvadex

> and have been suffering from side effects for a while.

>

> I never told my parents at first because I fear that they

> will be very disappointed with me.  Which, they should

> be. 

>

> I just told my mother about it, and she is giving me great

> moral support.

>

> I haven't told my father, he is a different character and a

> manic depressive.  I don't want to give him anymore

> worries, but at the same time, I am tired of living a lie

> i.e. lying about my reason for going to Lansing, etc. (I

> work with my father and see him everyday).  I have to

> make up excuses to go and get lab work done etc.  I

> could use his support and understanding. 

>

> My father and I are not too close and I feel more like an

> employee rather than his son most of the time.  So it

> is difficult for me to explain this to him, at the same

> time, I know I should.  I know he won't take it well

> either, it could cause him to be depressed for a long time

> and he'll stop working and stop taking care of his health

> (he's not in good health).

>

> I feel stupid asking you guys this question.  But any

> suggestions? 

>

> Thx all.

>

> Marc M

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Good tell him your sick and what you have but don't tell him you think you did

this to your self we don't know that to be true.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > From: Marc M <MisterX225@...>

> > Subject: Advice on telling my situation

> to my Father

> >

> > Date: Friday, June 4, 2010, 11:50 AM

> >

> > As you may know, I messed up my body with TRT and

> Nolvadex

> > and have been suffering from side effects for a

> while.

> >

> > I never told my parents at first because I fear that

> they

> > will be very disappointed with me.  Which, they

> should

> > be. 

> >

> > I just told my mother about it, and she is giving me

> great

> > moral support.

> >

> > I haven't told my father, he is a different character

> and a

> > manic depressive.  I don't want to give him anymore

> > worries, but at the same time, I am tired of living a

> lie

> > i.e. lying about my reason for going to Lansing, etc.

> (I

> > work with my father and see him everyday).  I have

> to

> > make up excuses to go and get lab work done etc.  I

> > could use his support and understanding. 

> >

> > My father and I are not too close and I feel more like

> an

> > employee rather than his son most of the time.  So

> it

> > is difficult for me to explain this to him, at the

> same

> > time, I know I should.  I know he won't take it well

> > either, it could cause him to be depressed for a long

> time

> > and he'll stop working and stop taking care of his

> health

> > (he's not in good health).

> >

> > I feel stupid asking you guys this question.  But

> any

> > suggestions? 

> >

> > Thx all.

> >

> > Marc M

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I told him everything, he took it. Okay.

I feel so much better now.

Thank you guys so much.

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Advice on telling my situation

> to my Father

> >

> > Date: Friday, June 4, 2010, 11:50 AM

> >

> > As you may know, I messed up my body with TRT and

> Nolvadex

> > and have been suffering from side effects for a

> while.

> >

> > I never told my parents at first because I fear that

> they

> > will be very disappointed with me.  Which, they

> should

> > be. 

> >

> > I just told my mother about it, and she is giving me

> great

> > moral support.

> >

> > I haven't told my father, he is a different character

> and a

> > manic depressive.  I don't want to give him anymore

> > worries, but at the same time, I am tired of living a

> lie

> > i.e. lying about my reason for going to Lansing, etc.

> (I

> > work with my father and see him everyday).  I have

> to

> > make up excuses to go and get lab work done etc.  I

> > could use his support and understanding. 

> >

> > My father and I are not too close and I feel more like

> an

> > employee rather than his son most of the time.  So

> it

> > is difficult for me to explain this to him, at the

> same

> > time, I know I should.  I know he won't take it well

> > either, it could cause him to be depressed for a long

> time

> > and he'll stop working and stop taking care of his

> health

> > (he's not in good health).

> >

> > I feel stupid asking you guys this question.  But

> any

> > suggestions? 

> >

> > Thx all.

> >

> > Marc M

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Great

Co-Moderator

Phil

> >

> > > From: Marc M <MisterX225@...>

> > > Subject: Advice on telling my

> situation

> > to my Father

> > >

> > > Date: Friday, June 4, 2010, 11:50 AM

> > >

> > > As you may know, I messed up my body with TRT

> and

> > Nolvadex

> > > and have been suffering from side effects for a

> > while.

> > >

> > > I never told my parents at first because I fear

> that

> > they

> > > will be very disappointed with me.  Which, they

> > should

> > > be. 

> > >

> > > I just told my mother about it, and she is giving

> me

> > great

> > > moral support.

> > >

> > > I haven't told my father, he is a different

> character

> > and a

> > > manic depressive.  I don't want to give him

> anymore

> > > worries, but at the same time, I am tired of

> living a

> > lie

> > > i.e. lying about my reason for going to Lansing,

> etc.

> > (I

> > > work with my father and see him everyday).  I

> have

> > to

> > > make up excuses to go and get lab work done

> etc.  I

> > > could use his support and understanding. 

> > >

> > > My father and I are not too close and I feel more

> like

> > an

> > > employee rather than his son most of the time. 

> So

> > it

> > > is difficult for me to explain this to him, at

> the

> > same

> > > time, I know I should.  I know he won't take it

> well

> > > either, it could cause him to be depressed for a

> long

> > time

> > > and he'll stop working and stop taking care of

> his

> > health

> > > (he's not in good health).

> > >

> > > I feel stupid asking you guys this question. 

> But

> > any

> > > suggestions? 

> > >

> > > Thx all.

> > >

> > > Marc M

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I finally got it off my chest. I feel so much better.

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Advice on telling my

> situation

> > to my Father

> > >

> > > Date: Friday, June 4, 2010, 11:50 AM

> > >

> > > As you may know, I messed up my body with TRT

> and

> > Nolvadex

> > > and have been suffering from side effects for a

> > while.

> > >

> > > I never told my parents at first because I fear

> that

> > they

> > > will be very disappointed with me.  Which, they

> > should

> > > be. 

> > >

> > > I just told my mother about it, and she is giving

> me

> > great

> > > moral support.

> > >

> > > I haven't told my father, he is a different

> character

> > and a

> > > manic depressive.  I don't want to give him

> anymore

> > > worries, but at the same time, I am tired of

> living a

> > lie

> > > i.e. lying about my reason for going to Lansing,

> etc.

> > (I

> > > work with my father and see him everyday).  I

> have

> > to

> > > make up excuses to go and get lab work done

> etc.  I

> > > could use his support and understanding. 

> > >

> > > My father and I are not too close and I feel more

> like

> > an

> > > employee rather than his son most of the time. 

> So

> > it

> > > is difficult for me to explain this to him, at

> the

> > same

> > > time, I know I should.  I know he won't take it

> well

> > > either, it could cause him to be depressed for a

> long

> > time

> > > and he'll stop working and stop taking care of

> his

> > health

> > > (he's not in good health).

> > >

> > > I feel stupid asking you guys this question. 

> But

> > any

> > > suggestions? 

> > >

> > > Thx all.

> > >

> > > Marc M

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Good news Marc,.....you are free from that bothering you now.

[Guest guest]

One less worry.

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Re: Advice on telling my situation to my Father

Good news Marc,.....you are free from that bothering you now.

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry that you cannot have a frank discussion with your dad about this and I

guess because of the work situation it can be tricky; however, he may be

suffering (in silence) like many adult men my dh age (late 50's)

himself..depression has many causes, thyroid problems and low testosterone among

them--he may not be open to discussing that either....it can be difficult to

have that kind of conversation even with a spouse (that is why I am here !)..

So, if you feel that you can't bring it up to him (for time off or

whatever)...can you have a trip that is not his business (old friend visit/sick

friend visit/*personal* business that is just that etc.) those of us with long

term health issues sometimes have to resort to the while lie when we know

nothing else will work and those around us can be the harshest judges of our

*issues*..Ellie

>

>

> As you may know, I messed up my body with TRT and Nolvadex and have been

suffering from side effects for a while.

>

> I never told my parents at first because I fear that they will be very

disappointed with me. Which, they should be.

>

> I just told my mother about it, and she is giving me great moral support.

>

> I haven't told my father, he is a different character and a manic depressive.

I don't want to give him anymore worries, but at the same time, I am tired of

living a lie i.e. lying about my reason for going to Lansing, etc. (I work with

my father and see him everyday). I have to make up excuses to go and get lab

work done etc. I could use his support and understanding.

>

> My father and I are not too close and I feel more like an employee rather than

his son most of the time. So it is difficult for me to explain this to him, at

the same time, I know I should. I know he won't take it well either, it could

cause him to be depressed for a long time and he'll stop working and stop taking

care of his health (he's not in good health).

>

> I feel stupid asking you guys this question. But any suggestions?

>

> Thx all.

>

> Marc M

>

[Guest guest]

> Well there is your answer!

> If mom said to tell him do it,......just lead into it gently I guess if he is

bad about dealing with things.

>

> Reinforce that you want this in the open, and it was your own fault and you

are only looking for support.

Hi,

from the I Ching or Book of Changes:

" There Is No Blame "

there have been thousands of guys doing deca, test, tren, etc. and novaldex for

years... gone off and been fine after a recovery period.

given that info you don't really know " you did it to yourself "

there are LOTS of guys with low t levels of all ages (more older)... even adds

on tv for isitlowT.com

don't play the blame game

do play the honesty game.

your sick, your hormones are messed up, and you're getting proper treatment...

you haven't told him yet because you were embarrassed.

(who wants to tell their father they've got low TESTOSTERONE?!)

don't make it worse than it is.

ttyl

akia

[Guest guest]

Thx for the response.

This actually brought my father and I close together.

I don't have low T though. My T is still high. But I messed with my endocrine

system and haven't felt the same since.

Thx for your reply! =]

Marc

>

>

> > Well there is your answer!

> > If mom said to tell him do it,......just lead into it gently I guess if he

is bad about dealing with things.

> >

> > Reinforce that you want this in the open, and it was your own fault and you

are only looking for support.

>

> Hi,

>

> from the I Ching or Book of Changes:

>

> " There Is No Blame "

>

> there have been thousands of guys doing deca, test, tren, etc. and novaldex

for years... gone off and been fine after a recovery period.

>

> given that info you don't really know " you did it to yourself "

>

> there are LOTS of guys with low t levels of all ages (more older)... even adds

on tv for isitlowT.com

>

> don't play the blame game

>

> do play the honesty game.

>

> your sick, your hormones are messed up, and you're getting proper treatment...

you haven't told him yet because you were embarrassed.

> (who wants to tell their father they've got low TESTOSTERONE?!)

>

> don't make it worse than it is.

>

> ttyl

>

> akia

>