Alcohol

[Guest guest]

Joan My Dr. said nothing about caffein I must I one cup in morning I

can't even wait I have Pause & serve . I do try to avoid caf. otherwise.

Pa.

[Guest guest]

Barbara,

If you are taking cyclosporin, the doctors tell me under no circumstances

can I consume grapefruit, isn't that strange. I wonder what it would do.

SueB.

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> From: Barbara Renick <brenick@...>

> onelist

> Subject: Re: [ ] Alcohol

> Date: Tuesday, 14 September 1999 1:06

>

> From: Barbara Renick <brenick@...>

>

> I've found that grape juice can be really good. I bought a bottle at a

> winery once and a number of my friends who could have drunk wine helped

> me finish the bottle! Either white or red grape juice looks good in a

> wine glass and no one can tell it's not wine so I don't feel so awkward.

> I think I prefer it to the non-alcoholic wines which I find to be too

> sweet.

>

> Wheeler wrote:

> >

> > From: Wheeler <nancy@...>

> >

> > Athie,

> >

> > I have had the same feelings as you about drinking alcohol.. I never

> > used to care one way or another about it, but did take an occasional

> > drink socially. Now that my dr. has told me I must never use alcohol I

> > am feeling nostalgic and thinking about the holiday season and me with

> > my festive 7up. I gave up caffeine also, though dr. now says for that

> > once or twice a week would be all right. I guess that means Pepsi for

> > the holidays. : ) Usually I drink just artesian well water. A

> > margarita really would taste good!

> >

> > AIH Oregon Coast

> >

> > ---------------------------

[Guest guest]

Joan,

Yes, I too experience being hot over the liver area. I once had one of my

doctors feel it when it was extremely hot, she was astounded, couldn't

believe it. She said she wouldn't have believed it if she hadn't felt it

herself.

SueB.

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> From: FOXDIANA@...

> onelist

> Subject: Re: [ ] Alcohol

> Date: Tuesday, 14 September 1999 7:06

>

> From: FOXDIANA@...

>

> Hi Geri...

>

> The reason he brought the coffee was a defense mechanism...I am a bear

> without my first cup of coffee in the morning....LOL....tread lightly,

don't

> talk, and stay out of my way...I recently went on a trip to Little Rock

with

> some friends I meet on line.

> The first morning there, we were all sitting at the table, my best friend

is

> chatty kathy in the morning. I picked up my coffee and left. I wanted

to

> gag her. The next morning she only mouthed the words...I thanked

her...but

> everyone laughed...it was funny...

>

> My Doctor did tell me to drink water only, or fruit juices. I explained

my

> addiction in the morning and was told I could have 1 cup of decaf. So I

> cheat, but this is the only time I do.

>

> I have a question for everyone. Does you liver ever feel hot to you? I

don't

> have the pain you all talk about but I sure do have the heat. You can

put

> your hand over my lever and it is really hot. I have no fever, nor am I

hot

> any where else. I am asking the doctor when I go my next visit. Any one

else

> have this..

>

> Have a good day, and remember...Laughter is the music of a happy heart,

love

> is it's sustenance. Sooooo...laugh a lot, it is healing.

>

> Joan, AIH, PBC, HBP

> Florida

>

> ---------------------------

[Guest guest]

OK, here I go on that subject. I hope I don't stick my foot in my mouth

again-it makes for bad breath.

The thing that helped me get over the alcohol was looking at why I drank.

What was I trying to relieve that was so painful in my life.

Most of us don't realize that is why we are trying to do, medicate the

" pain " , whether it be physical or emotional or spiritual. My wife said I was

just treating symptoms and not getting treatment for the actual disease. I

needed to face the disease and get that healed first. Pain pills never cure

cancer!

Wow. Does that ever make sense now. Sometimes getting the disease healed is

a process.

I had to realize that even if my father never loved me (rejection), that God

did. He was my heavenly Father and I could go to Him for the hurts I was

carrying and He would take them and heal my wounded heart. I remember

sobbing uncontrollable as He took the rejection complex out of my soul. I

didn't know that what was going on at the time but it came the next day

after I had called my father and felt rejected at some of his comments, even

though I was trying to reach out to him and show him that I loved him.

I don't know if you followed that, but thats the worse kind of hurt-when you

try to love someone and they turn away from you.

BTW-I have seen my father and we spent time together last summer and have

formed a relationship that we never had. But even if that never happened

with my father, God wanted me to experience His love that he had for me, and

let me know that he would never reject me. He alone, has unconditional love

for me and for you. No matter what we may do He will always love us. It has

made all the difference in my life. I have seen my life change as I am now

able to show love to my boys that I have " rejected " for so long.

Bob Simons

Sr. Commander

Royal Rangers

Tucson, Az.

bsimons@...

http://abbacomputers.homepage.com/bob.htm

For I know the plans I have for you, " declares the LORD, " plans to prosper

you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future. Jer 29:11

(NIV)

Re:

> In a message dated 5/29/00 12:10:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> allennco@... writes:

> Hey Tree....

> Could I make a small correction without upsetting you????

> " been hurt by the things alcohol made you do.... "

> I really prefer to see that as:

> " things you did while under the influence of alcohol.... "

> I am not/have not been an alcoholic, and barely ever drank, but have a

> recovering alcoholic in the family and have attended Al-Anon meetings

> and even went to a couple of AA meetings. Attitude is everything in any

> disease...

> ******

> Well, I AM an alcoholic...and alcoholand/or the disease of addiction,

makes

> us insane. (step #2......came to believe that a power greater than

ourselves

> could restore us to sanity).........so YES, the first statement is very

> true..... " been hurt by the things alcohol made you do.... "

> I hope I`m not upsetting YOU...but after the booze & chemicals are

removed,

> we all are amazed, at the things we did..while under the control of a

> substance.

> Yes, we are responsible for our recovery....and our actions..but to say,

we

> just ran out and " did " these things, is not a fact....although it may seem

> like that, to the outsider.

> The substance is in control....NOT us, nor any Higher Power. If WE were in

> control, we would not have committed the acts that hurt our loved ones so

> deeply. We would not have allowed our lives to be ruled by a

> substance/drink/pill. We surely would not have lost/given up, the many

things

> we did.......

> Respectfully,

> debmc

>

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[Guest guest]

Your story of your life's rejection is very moving and proves all things can

change and for the better. I am sorry for the pain in your life but it proves

to me that we all must experience pain in order to enjoy happiness. That's

how I see it and have lived it anyway!! Take Care, Irish

[Guest guest]

I am convinced that alcoholism is caused by candida and that it can be passed on

to

offspring

Lee

Krein wrote:

> Cyndi and Lee

> My mother used to be an alcholic.. so you know...

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Thanks to everybody for their answers about alcohol. I did ask my doc

and he said I could have a glass of wine with dinner or for a special

occasion. I used to drink socially and now I feel a little deprived. After

I put the kids to bed on a Fri night man I wish I could slurp down a big

Killian's Irish Red. Anybody know what I mean?

AMY

[Guest guest]

' deprived ' that is exactly it. Can't wait for my birthday to come up. I

believe that is a special occasion enough to drink a nice glass of wine.

(Several months ago I got a great bottle of wine as a present I have been

keeping it for that special occasion Just hope I don't have to do bloodwork

in the following week).

Loes

[ ] Re: alcohol

> Thanks to everybody for their answers about alcohol. I did ask my

doc

> and he said I could have a glass of wine with dinner or for a special

> occasion. I used to drink socially and now I feel a little deprived.

After

> I put the kids to bed on a Fri night man I wish I could slurp down a big

> Killian's Irish Red. Anybody know what I mean?

>

> AMY

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Loes,

What do you call a " nice " glass of wine. I was trying to find a red wine

that I liked for the beneficial health effects and could not find a red wine

that I liked. To me they all tasted like rotten grapes!

Shireen

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>' deprived ' that is exactly it. Can't wait for my birthday to come up. I

>believe that is a special occasion enough to drink a nice glass of wine.

>(Several months ago I got a great bottle of wine as a present I have been

>keeping it for that special occasion Just hope I don't have to do bloodwork

>in the following week).

>Loes

> [ ] Re: alcohol

>

>

> > Thanks to everybody for their answers about alcohol. I did ask my

>doc

> > and he said I could have a glass of wine with dinner or for a special

> > occasion. I used to drink socially and now I feel a little deprived.

>After

> > I put the kids to bed on a Fri night man I wish I could slurp down a big

> > Killian's Irish Red. Anybody know what I mean?

> >

> > AMY

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Shireen,

I can stand red wine. My head always explodes the next morning! I do like

the white dry wines. Or the sweet German Moessel wines. They are great.

Take care, Loes, Holland

[ ] Re: alcohol

> >

> >

> > > Thanks to everybody for their answers about alcohol. I did ask

my

> >doc

> > > and he said I could have a glass of wine with dinner or for a special

> > > occasion. I used to drink socially and now I feel a little deprived.

> >After

> > > I put the kids to bed on a Fri night man I wish I could slurp down a

big

> > > Killian's Irish Red. Anybody know what I mean?

> > >

> > > AMY

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

,

Have those pretty colored Gatorades in a big oversided martini glass with one

of those pretty glass twizzlers and start a fashion statement...haha

It's hard to be desciplined when no one else is, but like you said, the pay

off is great! We are in control for the first time and we are awesome women

who are starting to know it! I kinda like the control~~everyone around me is

smoking, chugging pop (slow crowd..I'm too old now..hahah) and eating like

gluttons. Makes me feel good to be honest. I am FREE and that is the

ULTIMATE high for me!

SMALLER BOTTOMS UP

in ARk

[Guest guest]

Jerrica,

Treat is like a mouse and some cheese -- just take

your anti-fungals with it -- but don't take more than

normal -- don't want die-off while you are having fun!

I loved the City of Grace myself!

Carolyn

--- Jerrica <notready4myjelly@...> wrote:

> Quick question? Is alcohol not allowed at all? I

> am

> not having any, but I am going to vegas on new years

> and I would like to have a drink or two. Would this

> mess up all the work I will have done up until then?

>

> J

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/6/2002 11:38:45 AM Pacific Standard Time,

pithwit@... writes:

> does anyone know why alcohol increases swelling during ReA?

>

I cannot answer that. I have no idea. I know that the medications that

Adrienne takes specifically state to not mix with alcohol.

This would be a question for your doctor and or pharmicist.

K

Adrienne's Mom

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/6/2003 6:58:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

Hestia@... writes:

> Or rather cooking with alcohol. Is it still an avoid since it

> burns off? I have all these recipes that ask for a cup of wine,

> or beer (brauts - and yes, they are chicken or turkey), or even

> tequila (tequila lime chicken anyone?)

>

Some alcohols are allowed (red wine etc) and I believe that tequila is

neutral since it doesn't affect me nearly as badly as other hard liquors.

[Guest guest]

> > Or rather cooking with alcohol. Is it still an avoid since

it

> > burns off? I have all these recipes that ask for a cup of

wine,

> > or beer (brauts - and yes, they are chicken or turkey), or

even

> > tequila (tequila lime chicken anyone?)

> >

>

> Some alcohols are allowed (red wine etc) and I believe that

tequila is

> neutral since it doesn't affect me nearly as badly as other

hard liquors.

I know we can drink red wine, but I'm talking about cooking with

them. And hard liquors are an avoid.

[Guest guest]

It's not the alcohol itself, but the products used to ferment for the

alcohol. We need to stick to a red wine type if we add any alcohol type

flavoring. Tequila is questionable because of the syrup they add as part of

the flavor comes from the Agave plant which is from the lily family and an

Avoid for O's, according to Heidi.

Re: Alcohol

> > > Or rather cooking with alcohol. Is it still an avoid since

> it

> > > burns off? I have all these recipes that ask for a cup of

> wine,

> > > or beer (brauts - and yes, they are chicken or turkey), or

> even

> > > tequila (tequila lime chicken anyone?)

> > >

> >

> > Some alcohols are allowed (red wine etc) and I believe that

> tequila is

> > neutral since it doesn't affect me nearly as badly as other

> hard liquors.

>

> I know we can drink red wine, but I'm talking about cooking with

> them. And hard liquors are an avoid.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/7/2003 6:12:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

ironwood55@... writes:

> Heidi didn't exactly say agave syrup was an avoid, since it hasn't

> been tested.

The old rule of thumb is that if it hasn't been tested, treat it as neutral

and try it. I had no " avoid " reactions.

[Guest guest]

Thanks, that helps.

> It's not the alcohol itself, but the products used to ferment

for the

> alcohol. We need to stick to a red wine type if we add any

alcohol type

> flavoring. Tequila is questionable because of the syrup they

add as part of

> the flavor comes from the Agave plant which is from the lily

family and an

> Avoid for O's, according to Heidi.

>

[Guest guest]

Heidi didn't exactly say agave syrup was an avoid, since it hasn't

been tested. This is what she wrote:

Agave syrup ~ I found lots of fascinating reading on the agave plant.

It is actually not a cactus, but a succulent, one of the many members

of the grand lily (Liliaciae) family. Blue agave (Agave tequilana

weber azul) is the species of agave from which the agave syrup for

tequila is made. This is the source of the sweeteners I've seen on

the market -- the syrup is distributed to tequila manufacturers and

for bottling as a sweetener (its sweetness comes from its high

concentration of fructose). The only member of the Liliaciae family

in the food lists is aloe vera, an avoid for everyone except type As

(partly due to the action of anthraquinones on us'ns, namely an

extreme laxative effect (when taken internally)). Again, we have no

rating for it, but from here it doesn't seem likely that agave syrup

will make it to the O-non " neutral " list. :-}

Either way it doesn't sound too good for O, secretors or non-

secretors.

Don

Tequila is questionable because of the syrup they add as part of

> the flavor comes from the Agave plant which is from the lily family

and an

> Avoid for O's, according to Heidi.

>

[Guest guest]

Max and Don,

Thank you for the correction. I was just in a hurry and could only remember the

fact that it isn't really a cactus and Heidi somehow didn't think it would end

up as a neutral.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/8/2003 10:03:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

Hestia@... writes:

> But wasn't that it wouldn't be a neutral for O nons?

Now that's a sentence. What are you asking--LOL.

[Guest guest]

> Max and Don,

> Thank you for the correction. I was just in a hurry and could

only remember the fact that it isn't really a cactus and Heidi

somehow didn't think it would end up as a neutral.

>

But wasn't that it wouldn't be a neutral for O nons?

[Guest guest]

> Hestia@... writes:

>

> > But wasn't that it wouldn't be a neutral for O nons?

>

> Now that's a sentence. What are you asking--LOL.

Heidi's article mentioned that she didn't see agave becoming a

neutral for O nons. Since she was specific, I figure that she

sees it (since it hasn't been tested) as a neutral for O

secretors.

[Guest guest]

Heidi's answer about agave was to a question from a O non-secretor so

I think that is why she was being specifically direct about her

answer for O non-secretors.

You can interpret what she said about agave in general and decide

yourself if you want to use it as a neutral for an O secretor, since

it hasn't been tested. My take on it is I would use it sparingly, if

at all, as an O secretor.

Don

> > Hestia@t... writes:

> Heidi's article mentioned that she didn't see agave becoming a

> neutral for O nons. Since she was specific, I figure that she

> sees it (since it hasn't been tested) as a neutral for O

> secretors.

[Guest guest]

For my part, I’ve never really been

a big fan of alcohol. I enjoyed tequila shots and fruity cocktails but not much

else. Never drank much. but everyone’s different

I guess

-----Original

Message-----

From: Kari Trautman

[mailto:karitrautman@...]

Sent: Thursday, 15 January 2004

7:21 PM

candidiasis

Subject: alcohol

This brings up another tender

subject. Was wondering of those of you/us out there, can you say that

there was a definitely overly strong desire for alcohol? For me that was

the case. Wouldn't say an alcoholic, but enjoyed it much more than other

friends. For example when we would go out I don't think I would ever

think of not have a glass or two of wine (unless of course I had a stomach

hangover which I now know was due to the yeast) But if there is a link,

wondering if the yeast was partially created do to drinking alcohol

or a case that we craved it more because of the yeast?

Kari

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