Alcohol

[Guest guest]

I just meant that if you try to drink alcohol and you do not

have any adverse effects, then it is fine. Some people can only take one sip

and it affects them badly.

Luv - Sheila

Thanks Sheila. I just

didn't understand what you mean't by tolerate it.

Suzanna

As far as I am aware, any alcohol is

OK if you can tolerate it and don't go abuse it. I don't know much

about this though and only know that I use Armour and 25 mcgs thyroxine and I

have a drink and have never been affected in any way that I know of.

Luv - Sheila

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[Guest guest]

Hi Suzanna, yes you can drink a bit but some of us will not be able to.I drink some wine now and then (one glass) as I don`t like to be skiffy.but I may have a few glasses over the Christmas time. hope this helpsangel.

[Guest guest]

Hi Michele, beer contains iron , this could be why.plus it has yeastwhich I seem to crave . angel.

[Guest guest]

That sounds like candida Angel? Mo

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> Hi Michele, beer contains iron , this could be why.plus it has yeast

> which I seem to crave . angel.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi mo, yes I have been thinking the same , but how do I no if it is candida.?also how to treat it and for how long.? regards angel.

[Guest guest]

Oh thanks for that, it does seem strange that it's only since I was taking T4

and T3 that I been craving beer, (not that I mind) but it would be nice to know

why, I craved liquorice a few weeks back for a whole week I ate the stuff, my

body obviously needed something.

Michele

[Guest guest]

Well there is the antibody testing. And I think there is a candida

questionnaire in the files.

What I would do as it is cheaper is buy one pill of Diflucan from the

chemist (tell them it is for thrush) or buy something similar in the

herbal department from Holland & Barrett with oregano in it and other

herbs and if you get die-off symptoms and feel the effects of candida

expiring then you know for sure you need to treat it.

Then you take one Diflucan every week for three tablets and go on the

candida diet at the same time. You would need to reinstate the good

bacteria in your gut and you can buy the necessary yet again at Holland

& Barrett. You could also get Caprylic Acid, same place, which you

would take when you have finished the Diflucan every day to keep the

candida at bay.

I am on week four of this process so give me a shout if you need any

further info.

They say we crave what we are addicted to so perhaps you have a food

sensitivty to wheat also? I think candida and food sensitivities go

hand in hand.

Have you checked that you are producing enough stomach acid with the

bicarb of soda test angel?

Mo

>

> Hi mo, yes I have been thinking the same , but how do I no if it is

candida.?

> also how to treat it and for how long.? regards angel.

>

[Guest guest]

Are you sure that oregano is ok for those with mercury fillings? Some herbs cause a bad reaction and are best avoided if you have amalgams. The feeling bad you mention could be this rather than candida.

Val

with oregano in it and other herbs and if you get die-off symptoms and feel the effects of candida expiring then you know for sure you need to treat it

[Guest guest]

I don't know Val, doo you? Mo

>

> Are you sure that oregano is ok for those with mercury fillings?

Some herbs cause a bad reaction and are best avoided if you have

amalgams. The feeling bad you mention could be this rather than

candida.

>

> Val

>

> with oregano in it and other

> herbs and if you get die-off symptoms and feel the effects of candida

> expiring then you know for sure you need to treat it

>

[Guest guest]

>

> hi bee,

>

> went to too many parties and drank a little to much

> no more though!

> when i woke up, i had the worst body aches. like some

> punched me in the arms. my ribs hurt too. this happen's whenever

> i've had something to drink. any reason why? i just feel like a truck

> rolled on me. and it's not like i was drunk, just 1 drink. no more!

+++Hi Janey. My goodness, you did a big number on yourself, eh? I

feel for you my dear. I got the feeling like a Mack Truck rolled on me

if I had something like just a lick of peanut butter or gluten when I

had candida. I wish I'd thought to have a drink instead. LOL!

The reason is because candida toxins are mainly alcohol too, and

consuming more alcohol adds to your toxic load, and the toxins spread

throughout your body. Here's what you do when you need a quick fix, in

addition to drinking plenty of water the first day:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/help2.php

I hope you feel better soon.

xoxox & healing hugs, Bee

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From: Debra [mailto:debrafduncan@...]

Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 5:13 PM

Subject: alcohol

Hope everyone enjoyed their holidays?

How does everyone handle alcohol? I used to be able to go out a couple of

nights with friends and have 1-3 drinks and feel okay. Some days I would

feel bad but I thought it was just a hang over. Looking back, I have to

wonder if it was the wheat in beer?

Now I am sticking to wine and martinis. I usually drink twice a week but am

thinking I need to cut back to one day a week.

Just curious how others feel with it?

D

[Guest guest]

I used to feel bad after having alcohol. Usually only needed half a

drink to feel like I'd had plenty, often my sinuses would swell up so

I couldn't breathe through my nose, and I also felt yukky and

non-productive the following day. So, while I enjoyed the fun and

flavor of wines and cocktails, I kept my intake to just a few

occasions per year.

When I was tested for allergies using N.A.E.T., I tested positive for

(among many other things)alcohol and mold/fungi. After I was treated

for those allergies, I had several glasses of wine with dinner,

several nights in a row! I felt fine! I could drink without feeling

foggy or having my sinuses clog up, and I woke up full of energy, and

my thinking was productive and clear the following days.

I still don't go out of my way to indulge, since alcohol is pretty

dehydrating, but it sure was fun to enjoy it without " penalty " for the

first time, ever, and I'm thrilled that this treatment is supposed to

be permanent.

On the instraspec.ca blood type food lists, only distilled alcohols

are supposed to be bad, while wines may be neutral or beneficial, so

alcohol in general shouldn't be bad for us, barring other problems

like allergies. This seems to be a pretty common opinion in the

anti-aging world of experts, too. To improve your health, consider

cutting down on the martinis, maybe...

As for wheat and beer - I'm not a beer lover, but I imagine that beer

used to be fermented more naturally than it is in many breweries

today... Could it be the type of beer you had? Did beer always

disagree with you?

Laure

> From: Debra [mailto:debrafduncan@...] >

> How does everyone handle alcohol? I used to be able to go out a

couple of

> nights with friends and have 1-3 drinks and feel okay. Some days I would

> feel bad but I thought it was just a hang over. Looking back, I have to

> wonder if it was the wheat in beer?

>

> Now I am sticking to wine and martinis. I usually drink twice a week

but am

> thinking I need to cut back to one day a week.

>

>

>

> Just curious how others feel with it?

>

>

>

> D

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[Guest guest]

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> Laure, how were you treated for allergies for wine?

N.A.E.T. was the treatment. (see www.naet.com) That is short for

Nambudripad's Allergy Elimination Technique, which has been around for

about 25 years. Devi Nambudripad grew up with all sorts of disorders

and sensitivities that made her life/diet extremely limited, and drove

her into the study of different health disciplines. After studying

accupuncture, she had her husband treat her for allergies using

accupuncture (not clear whether she trained him to do it, or whether

he trained as well). Anyway, accupuncture has a reputation for giving

short-term relief for allergies. One day, while receiving an

accupuncture treatment for a severe allergic reaction to raw carrots,

she fell asleep on the table. When she woke up, she realized that she

was in contact with some raw carrot, and she felt really well.

Furthermore, she continued to feel well, and upon further exposure to

raw carrot, she did not react to it anymore. This fascinated her so

much that she investigated further until she figured out a way to use

accuPRESSURE done in a particular way, while simultaneously being

exposed to the allergen, to permanently treat ALL of her allergies.

She also treated her son, and his attention disorder issues vanished.

Clearly, he had inherited her sensitivity problems, and they were

affecting his brain function. She subsequently developed protocols

that she felt were most valuable for most people.

My practitioner was trained in NAET. Following Dr. Nambudripad's

protocols, I was screened for and treated for " the basics. " Alcohol

and mold are on the basics list. They always start with key

nutritional items in the diet, though, so that your body can begin

healing through nutrition as soon as possible. I held vials for each

allergic substance I had tested positive for while the accupressure

treatment was given, then I held them in my hand for about 10 minutes

more, following instructions not to touch anyone else or " cross my

midline " and then I was to avoid the substance for the next 25 hours,

with a grace period during the first hour after treatment. Typically,

people respond after just one treatment. Some people require multiple

treatments. Occasionally, when the person cannot avoid the allergen,

it has taken 17-20 treatments to clear. That is very rare, and I'm

thinking of a pepper farmer that was allergic to spices. It took him

20 treatments, because the allergen was all around him every day,

since he couldn't give up his " day job. " But it worked, eventually,

and his annoying health issues vanished, finally.

I learned about this treatment from a relative who lives in the same

town as this practitioner. She was coming to visit, and I had been

trying to devise a lactose/gluten free meal plan for her stay, since

she was intolerant of both of those items. Then, shortly before her

arrival, when we were double-checking with her on meal stuff, she said

that she no longer needed a lactose/gluten free diet. She could eat

both of those things now without any ill effects. And she did!

She was LOVING it. When I later had the opportunity to spend time

with her, I went to see her NAET practitioner, too, for an intensive

treatment, almost every day for 2 weeks, enough to clear the basics

and to start getting into the weird combination allergies, and to

clear my allergies to some of my cosmetics and supplements and

favorite " bad " foods.

Some people have few allergies and have rapid changes and get " all

better " really fast. Others of us (I'm one of them) have some weird

" combination " allergies, so I still have some more work to do with NAET.

If you go to the website, you can search for a practitioner near you.

Laure

[Guest guest]

It's hard to go out with drinkers and not drink. And I want to be with my friends. I do try to go easy on the calories - one glass of red wine, one bloody mary or vodka/grapefruit...

In a message dated 07/24/09 11:25:08 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, SuzanneSH@... writes:

Ok, I am going to say it. Why do you need to put empty calories into you new stomach and your new body you are going to have? You can join them and have water. I know it is a social thing--going out with your friends and having a drink or two. But, to me I wanted to do what was going to be best for my entire body. That means not drinking. You need to keep the calories around 800 per day--look at a wine cooler and see how many calories they are. Are you willing to give up those calories. for that one drink? It is a choice you can make. I don't have the answer to what it is going to do to you, because I make the choice not to drink. There are more important things I want in life. But we are worlds apart in age, and I do understand the social part of life. Life as you knew it, will be changing. It doesn't mean you can't hang out with your friends, or go out and eat, it means that you will be making or should be making better and smarter choices for yourself.

Suzanne

In a message dated 07/24/09 09:57:50 Pacific Daylight Time, kitr319 writes:

What do the effects of alcohol have on the sleeve? I'm 35 and single (I'm not a drinker) but sometimes my friends and I like to go out and have a drink or two. Am I going to get sloppy drunk after half a wine cooler? Or am I just going to get full?

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I am a drinker and also a sleevester. You definitely will have to watch intake as with such little food in your system, the alcohol will affect you much much more. I usually have 1-2 glasses of wine.From: kitr319 <kitr319@...>Subject: alcohol Date: Friday, July 24, 2009, 9:46 AM

What do the effects of alcohol have on the sleeve? I'm 35 and single (I'm not a drinker) but sometimes my friends and I like to go out and have a drink or two. Am I going to get sloppy drunk after half a wine cooler? Or am I just going to get full?

[Guest guest]

Ok, I am going to say it. Why do you need to put empty calories into you new stomach and your new body you are going to have? You can join them and have water. I know it is a social thing--going out with your friends and having a drink or two. But, to me I wanted to do what was going to be best for my entire body. That means not drinking. You need to keep the calories around 800 per day--look at a wine cooler and see how many calories they are. Are you willing to give up those calories. for that one drink? It is a choice you can make. I don't have the answer to what it is going to do to you, because I make the choice not to drink. There are more important things I want in life. But we are worlds apart in age, and I do understand the social part of life. Life as you knew it, will be changing. It doesn't mean you can't hang out with your friends, or go out and eat, it means that you will be making or should be making better and smarter choices for yourself.

Suzanne

In a message dated 07/24/09 09:57:50 Pacific Daylight Time, kitr319@... writes:

What do the effects of alcohol have on the sleeve? I'm 35 and single (I'm not a drinker) but sometimes my friends and I like to go out and have a drink or two. Am I going to get sloppy drunk after half a wine cooler? Or am I just going to get full?

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I am three months post sleeve (absolutely love it and am down sixty-five

pounds). I have had a couple of drinks here and there, try things not spicy and

not carbonated. I think that the farther out from surgery you are the more

variety you can managa. I think that the most I could tolerate is two drinks

over a length of a couple of hours. I was definately sloppy drunk, were you like

that before? You will feel full and you definately need to make sure it is worth

the calories.

Cheers ann

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[Guest guest]

woops, that was supposed to say I was definately not sloppy drunk

From: mary_rpn <mary_rpn@...> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 7:51:15 PMSubject: Re: alcohol

I am three months post sleeve (absolutely love it and am down sixty-five pounds). I have had a couple of drinks here and there, try things not spicy and not carbonated. I think that the farther out from surgery you are the more variety you can managa. I think that the most I could tolerate is two drinks over a length of a couple of hours. I was definately sloppy drunk, were you like that before? You will feel full and you definately need to make sure it is worth the calories.Cheers ann342/275/185

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Too funny ann, I was thinking WOW!!When I have gone out the friends (too few and far between), I have ordered Mudslides that are big ice cream blended drinks, they last forever and I can just sip on one while I visit and I don't feel out of place. Cyrena From: ann Quinlan <mary_rpn@...> Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 6:31:59 PMSubject: Re: Re: alcohol

woops, that was supposed to say I was definately not sloppy drunk

From: mary_rpn <mary_rpn (DOT) ca> @groups. comSent: Friday, July 24, 2009 7:51:15 PMSubject: [Dr-Aceves-bandster s] Re: alcohol

I am three months post sleeve (absolutely love it and am down sixty-five pounds). I have had a couple of drinks here and there, try things not spicy and not carbonated. I think that the farther out from surgery you are the more variety you can managa. I think that the most I could tolerate is two drinks over a length of a couple of hours. I was definately sloppy drunk, were you like that before? You will feel full and you definately need to make sure it is worth the calories.Cheers ann342/275/185

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LOL! I was wondering about that! I've never been sloppy drunk in my life, that's why I was hoping one drink with the sleeve wouldn't do that. I usually have water when I'm out with my friends but occassionally I like to have a drink.

From: ann Quinlan <mary_rpn@...>Subject: Re: Re: alcohol Date: Saturday, July 25, 2009, 11:31 PM

woops, that was supposed to say I was definately not sloppy drunk

From: mary_rpn <mary_rpn (DOT) ca> @groups. comSent: Friday, July 24, 2009 7:51:15 PMSubject: [Dr-Aceves-bandster s] Re: alcohol

I am three months post sleeve (absolutely love it and am down sixty-five pounds). I have had a couple of drinks here and there, try things not spicy and not carbonated. I think that the farther out from surgery you are the more variety you can managa. I think that the most I could tolerate is two drinks over a length of a couple of hours. I was definately sloppy drunk, were you like that before? You will feel full and you definately need to make sure it is worth the calories.Cheers ann342/275/185

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I'm 6 mos. out and have had pina coladas, champagne, margaritas, wine and gin and tonics......albeit not altogether at the same time! It's either been on a vacation or for a special occasion. I never got drunk or even feeling high. I used to enjoy social drinking but my taste for alcohol has changed and I have an indifferent attitude to it now. Also lost my taste for decaf coffee and became a tea drinker. Another surprise of this surgery. However, anything you put into your new stomach counts toward filling it up so don't think you're gonna down a couple of alcoholic drinks quickly. I can master about 1/2 glass wine, maybe a small marg. or a short gin/tonic and then I'm full. Enjoy!

From: ann Quinlan <mary_rpn (DOT) ca>Subject: Re: [Dr-Aceves-bandster s] Re: alcohol @groups. comDate: Saturday, July 25, 2009, 11:31 PM

woops, that was supposed to say I was definately not sloppy drunk

From: mary_rpn <mary_rpn (DOT) ca> @groups. comSent: Friday, July 24, 2009 7:51:15 PMSubject: [Dr-Aceves-bandster s] Re: alcohol

I am three months post sleeve (absolutely love it and am down sixty-five pounds). I have had a couple of drinks here and there, try things not spicy and not carbonated. I think that the farther out from surgery you are the more variety you can managa. I think that the most I could tolerate is two drinks over a length of a couple of hours. I was definately sloppy drunk, were you like that before? You will feel full and you definately need to make sure it is worth the calories.Cheers ann342/275/185

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>

> Hi all,

>

> My husband has been a honey and is doing the program with me. I am doing it

100%, and this is my 8th week. I'm mostly doing well, but still have a long time

to be on this before I can start adding things back in. My question is for my

husband. He's doing it most of the time (a least when I'm around), except every

night he has a shot or two of vodka with some lime juice and water. He just

won't give it up. He thinks if he is really limiting on his carbs throughout

the rest of the day, this should " even out. " Do you have a response I can give

him? I'm so proud of him for everything else & don't want to discourage him.

>

+++Hi Amy. All alcohol is a mycotoxic meaning they are fungal-type toxins, so

they feed candida just like any other toxins do, along with sugars and carbs.

He may be okay having a couple of drinks once a week, but not every day. He

must limit not just carbs and sugars, but also " toxins! " That's why he has

candida, since it occurs in order to clean up the body of toxins, sugars, carbs,

heavy metals, etc.

Bee

[Guest guest]

Hi Amy,

Lime is one of the few fruits that are OK in very small quantities on the

diet. Alcohol, however, is broken down into sugars by the body, so it feeds

any candida present. Also, alcohol weakens the immune system of the body as

well as doing other undesirable things.

Zack

moderator

On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 9:30 AM, AmyD <abergop@...> wrote:

>

>

> Hi all,

>

> My husband has been a honey and is doing the program with me. I am doing it

> 100%, and this is my 8th week. I'm mostly doing well, but still have a long

> time to be on this before I can start adding things back in. My question is

> for my husband. He's doing it most of the time (a least when I'm around),

> except every night he has a shot or two of vodka with some lime juice and

> water. He just won't give it up. He thinks if he is really limiting on his

> carbs throughout the rest of the day, this should " even out. " Do you have a

> response I can give him? I'm so proud of him for everything else & don't

> want to discourage him.

>

> Thanks.

> Amy

>

>

>

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First a special welcome back to Gloria!!I see everyone below is discussing alcohol. If I may, I went to my doctor Thursday, all is going well, i'm not going to go on the medicine for a 3rd time (the disease is still with me but everything in my body is working great so we are leaving it alone). One thing we did discuss is alcohol. I expressed to him that I haven't had a drink in over 4 years and he said "you wouldn't believe how many people with Hep C still drink alcohol" and a patient of his is going to die within the next 6 months because of it. WHETHER YOU ARE ON THE MEDS OR NOT, you should never drink alcohol again. The worst thing you can do for your liver is drink alcohol,,,especially if you are a Hep C patient. Never mind that you have

rid the disease but the truth is it can show back up at any time in the future. Alcohol (beer or liqueur-it doesn't matter, they are both alcohol) hurts people without Hep C, can you imagine what it can do with Hep C patients? I told him (now this is my feeling, don't get offensive) but anyone WITH HEP C who MUST drink alcohol is slowly committing suicide. Now everyone here is on medicine right now (but have been), some will be soon..well if you love life that much that you are willing to try to kill this disease, why take something that is doing the opposite?Once again, I don't mean to piss anyone off but I really don't understand why anyone would want to intake the worst enemy for the liver that has a liver disease.And just one more thing to think about before you take that next drink of alcohol (I learned this from Dr Tourigny Thursday), but for woman especially (we don't have a certain organ that men do to assist

with breaking down alcohol)..if you continue on drinking with this disease instead of having 40 years to possibly live with it,,you only have 20 (cutting the rest of your life in half).I have never met any of you in person but I love all of you very much and just want you to be happy for as long as possible!Love,SheilaPS-same with cigarettes...they are a habit and we are at better chance of getting liver cancer because our livers are not 100% healthy..once again,,,if you have a lot of love to share for family and friends..do them a favor (and mostly do yourself a favor) and quit alcohol and smoking..all they do is kill,,,nothing more!From: Gloria <gadamscan@...> Sent: Sat, April 24, 2010 10:48:53 PMSubject: Re: [ ] Re: Question about “supplements�

Never heard that one before!!! But, who is willing to take the chance anyway????

I heard if you drink whilke taking infern-riba it could kill u

From: SuziQ <ancientkron> Sent: Fri, April 23, 2010 8:16:59 AMSubject: [ ] Re: Question about “supplements�

Hi Lynne,Please find a doctor who knows more about liver disease than the one you have--either a gastroenterolist or a hepatologist !!! Any doctor who knows anything about liver disease or Hep C would NOT say alcohol is ok--especially during treatment !!!! Both ephadra and alcohol are absolute no-no's. Treatment can be difficult and you need a doctor who is knowledgable about the disease and about the side effects of treatment. Learn ALL you can before you start treatment. Find a doctor who has SUCCESSFULLY treated a number of patients. Read the online book Choices at hepcchallenges. org. If you wiil tell us where you live, maybe someone can steer you to a doctor in that area. I am sorry, but NO DOCTOR who knows anything about Hep C (or other liver diseases) would say alcohol is ok. You need to have someone who is very, very knowledgable to see that you are safe during treatment.SuziQ >> Hi, so glad I stumble across this group! Seems a very supportive place to be esp. with all the stigma attached to hep c. I am a 43 yr. female and was diagnosed in March geno type 3. Completely out of the blue! I was going through a battery of medical tests for a contractor job in the Middle East and one of my labs came back with an “abnormal†result. Had to get more tests to show that I am ok…well, turns out I am not ok. So, I really want to get this started

and over and try to move on with my life. I plan to start my peg\ribo treatment mid May. (I think) I have just been trying to research as much as I can before I start and mentally gear up for it. Oh I do already take the max dose of Wellbutrin for depression…so really

concerned about the mental\emotional side effects. However, my current mind set is: Expect (and prepare) for the worst and pray for the best! Once again, feel blessed to have found your group! Getting to the supplement question: I was wondering if anyone has used any Ephedra products while on the meds? In the mornings I currently take half of a 25 mg true Ephedra w\200 mg of caffeine in it. It helps give me energy to get to the gym and get a work out. However I am concerned if there are indications for the liver and it if may have an adverse affect with the meds. I was thinking it may actually help me though some of the side effects…? I asked my Dr. and she said it was fine…but she also told me I could drink alcohol on occasion too while on the meds. Also, are there many of you that have combined alternative medicines with the Western? Such as Milk Thistle, vitamin D and such? Is there any one place (or link…Don?) for dosage amounts and potency?

Thanks!! Lynne>

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Gosh Lynne, Wish I could drink like normal people. I can't, so having a Doctor tell me it's OK to drink a "little" is like putting a small piece of chocolate cake in front of someone who has an eating disorder and saying 'just one bite." I want the whole damn piece and then some!!! How many patients actually go in and tell their doctor everything? Especially if maybe they might just drink a little more than a couple of drinks at dinner. Most do not. That's the problem here. any doctor treating a patient for liver disease should advise the patient to stop anything which could further impair liver function, and alcohol definitely does that. As for, ephedra, in Florida

they took it off the over the counter list because people make crank out of it. Hmmm....... does that tell me something. I knew a guy once took that crap by handfulls and was actually addicted to it. So. I hope I am not too harsh here, but........ephedra is a very dangerous drug. One thing I do know, it is a diuretic, makes you pass water, and that can lead to dehydration which is a very dangerous beast itself. I would get on without ephedra if I were you. Just my own advice here and this is one piece I do know that works. Lately, I have taken to riding a bike for long strenuous rides and when I get done my body is totally energized. My head is clear and I can think so much better. I know that some folks are in poorer health here and can not do such activities, but we can exercise at our own pace. Walking surely would be a great idea for all of us to try. I found that when I was on treatment and was

really depressed, walking helped bring me out of it. Hope I have helped here and not hurt. Watched a movie the other night "Leaves of Grass" (not about Walt Whitman) and in it is a great thought, " we humans tend to break things, we should try to fix things instead." Same goes with my liver, I broke it, now I need to fix it. Randy O Website-- SuncoastHepCFriends.OrgForum -- Suncoast HepC Friends Forum