Alcohol

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I agree; it seems that when you KNOW, as we all do, that you have( or had) this disease , then you also know the toll it takes on our liver. And we all know how important our liver is to LIFE functions. With this knowledge if you choose to drink , then YOU ARE CHOOSING ALCOHOL OVER LIFE. It may not kill instantly, but it robs you( NO, wait, YOU are robbing yourself) of some measure of your life. Thing is, you just cant know how much better your overall health and quality of daily life can be until you have quit these activities( cigs too). But you can look back and realize SUCH a difference. And this includes the " ocassional" drink. I speak from my own experience. After I was diagnosed I actually started smoking again. I did " smoke less than earlier in my life" Good for me!! 8 months later, my Hubby and I sat down on several ocassions and

planned my FINAL wishes; who gets what, what I wanted for my body, etc. Unfortunately, we were not speaking in the abstract or pre-planning. We could see that it was imminent in my current state. Well, nothing changed except I quit smoking completely. As you all know, now( almost two years later) we go hunting, we had the grandson over all weekend( fun!) and have resumed a social life. Yes, all things and activities in moderation. But " before" I couldn't go to grocery store or out for burgers. Now, I accept that we all are human,and often " stubborn". As you might remember, just a week ago I did have one mixed drink. NEVER AGAIN. I had a most miserable next two days. And that's just what I could painfully feel. What kind of damage did that one drink silently do ? And I'm not yet on treatment. Hindsight is wonderful. And, boy, can I see such a difference between Before and Now. Why not give

yourself the gift of hindsight ? Said With Love and Honesty, Trudy .From Trudy from my iPhone On Apr 26, 2010, at 10:46 AM, sheila slater <a_nc_female@...> wrote:

First a special welcome back to Gloria!!I see everyone below is discussing alcohol. If I may, I went to my doctor Thursday, all is going well, i'm not going to go on the medicine for a 3rd time (the disease is still with me but everything in my body is working great so we are leaving it alone). One thing we did discuss is alcohol. I expressed to him that I haven't had a drink in over 4 years and he said "you wouldn't believe how many people with Hep C still drink alcohol" and a patient of his is going to die within the next 6 months because of it. WHETHER YOU ARE ON THE MEDS OR NOT, you should never drink alcohol again. The worst thing you can do for your liver is drink alcohol,,,especially if you are a Hep C patient. Never mind that you have

rid the disease but the truth is it can show back up at any time in the future. Alcohol (beer or liqueur-it doesn't matter, they are both alcohol) hurts people without Hep C, can you imagine what it can do with Hep C patients? I told him (now this is my feeling, don't get offensive) but anyone WITH HEP C who MUST drink alcohol is slowly committing suicide. Now everyone here is on medicine right now (but have been), some will be soon..well if you love life that much that you are willing to try to kill this disease, why take something that is doing the opposite?Once again, I don't mean to piss anyone off but I really don't understand why anyone would want to intake the worst enemy for the liver that has a liver disease.And just one more thing to think about before you take that next drink of alcohol (I learned this from Dr Tourigny Thursday), but for woman especially (we don't have a certain organ that men do to assist

with breaking down alcohol)..if you continue on drinking with this disease instead of having 40 years to possibly live with it,,you only have 20 (cutting the rest of your life in half).I have never met any of you in person but I love all of you very much and just want you to be happy for as long as possible!Love,SheilaPS-same with cigarettes...they are a habit and we are at better chance of getting liver cancer because our livers are not 100% healthy..once again,,,if you have a lot of love to share for family and friends..do them a favor (and mostly do yourself a favor) and quit alcohol and smoking..all they do is kill,,,nothing more!From: Gloria <gadamscan (DOT) ca> Sent: Sat, April 24, 2010 10:48:53 PMSubject: Re: [ ] Re: Question about “supplements�

Never heard that one before!!! But, who is willing to take the chance anyway????

I heard if you drink whilke taking infern-riba it could kill u

From: SuziQ <ancientkron> Sent: Fri, April 23, 2010 8:16:59 AMSubject: [ ] Re: Question about “supplements�

Hi Lynne,Please find a doctor who knows more about liver disease than the one you have--either a gastroenterolist or a hepatologist !!! Any doctor who knows anything about liver disease or Hep C would NOT say alcohol is ok--especially during treatment !!!! Both ephadra and alcohol are absolute no-no's. Treatment can be difficult and you need a doctor who is knowledgable about the disease and about the side effects of treatment. Learn ALL you can before you start treatment. Find a doctor who has SUCCESSFULLY treated a number of patients. Read the online book Choices at hepcchallenges. org. If you wiil tell us where you live, maybe someone can steer you to a doctor in that area. I am sorry, but NO DOCTOR who knows anything about Hep C (or other liver diseases) would say alcohol is ok. You need to have someone who is very, very knowledgable to see that you are safe during treatment.SuziQ >> Hi, so glad I stumble across this group! Seems a very supportive place to be esp. with all the stigma attached to hep c. I am a 43 yr. female and was diagnosed in March geno type 3. Completely out of the blue! I was going through a battery of medical tests for a contractor job in the Middle East and one of my labs came back with an “abnormal†result. Had to get more tests to show that I am ok…well, turns out I am not ok. So, I really want to get this started

and over and try to move on with my life. I plan to start my peg\ribo treatment mid May. (I think) I have just been trying to research as much as I can before I start and mentally gear up for it. Oh I do already take the max dose of Wellbutrin for depression…so really

concerned about the mental\emotional side effects. However, my current mind set is: Expect (and prepare) for the worst and pray for the best! Once again, feel blessed to have found your group! Getting to the supplement question: I was wondering if anyone has used any Ephedra products while on the meds? In the mornings I currently take half of a 25 mg true Ephedra w\200 mg of caffeine in it. It helps give me energy to get to the gym and get a work out. However I am concerned if there are indications for the liver and it if may have an adverse affect with the meds. I was thinking it may actually help me though some of the side effects…? I asked my Dr. and she said it was fine…but she also told me I could drink alcohol on occasion too while on the meds. Also, are there many of you that have combined alternative medicines with the Western? Such as Milk Thistle, vitamin D and such? Is there any one place (or link…Don?) for dosage amounts and potency?

Thanks!! Lynne>

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Randy,Does walking from my bed to the couch count as exercise? There is a flight of stairs involved and lots of finger movement with the remote! Here I go again... Those happy pills must be working!TeriSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: Randy <randyowe@...>Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 10:36:42 -0700 (PDT)< >Subject: Re: [ ]alcohol Gosh Lynne, Wish I could drink like normal people. I can't, so having a Doctor tell me it's OK to drink a "little" is like putting a small piece of chocolate cake in front of someone who has an eating disorder and saying 'just one bite." I want the whole damn piece and then some!!! How many patients actually go in and tell their doctor everything? Especially if maybe they might just drink a little more than a couple of drinks at dinner. Most do not. That's the problem here. any doctor treating a patient for liver disease should advise the patient to stop anything which could further impair liver function, and alcohol definitely does that. As for, ephedra, in Floridathey took it off the over the counter list because people make crank out of it. Hmmm....... does that tell me something. I knew a guy once took that crap by handfulls and was actually addicted to it. So. I hope I am not too harsh here, but........ephedra is a very dangerous drug. One thing I do know, it is a diuretic, makes you pass water, and that can lead to dehydration which is a very dangerous beast itself. I would get on without ephedra if I were you. Just my own advice here and this is one piece I do know that works. Lately, I have taken to riding a bike for long strenuous rides and when I get done my body is totally energized. My head is clear and I can think so much better. I know that some folks are in poorer health here and can not do such activities, but we can exercise at our own pace. Walking surely would be a great idea for all of us to try. I found that when I was on treatment and wasreally depressed, walking helped bring me out of it. Hope I have helped here and not hurt. Watched a movie the other night "Leaves of Grass" (not about Walt Whitman) and in it is a great thought, " we humans tend to break things, we should try to fix things instead." Same goes with my liver, I broke it, now I need to fix it. Randy O Website-- SuncoastHepCFriends.OrgForum -- Suncoast HepC Friends Forum

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Dearest Don,,,,Thank you for being you! You are a wonderful person and I'm sure I can speak for everyone here..we love you for who you are and I hope I have the privilege of meeting you one day! And thank you so much Trudy for your thoughts and you did mentioned something I did not...if you need assistance in quitting drinking...you know you have seen those big letters in this group many times....AAI go to AA weekly, even after 4 years for it reminds me of where I don't want to be ever again and you know what, I don't care who knows for I am very proud that I found this cure for my disease with alcohol. Being in AA is exactly like being in Hep C

WebWarriors ....they both are groups to assist us with our disease, but, AA does have one advantage over Hep C group....we as an individual can definitely fight off the disease FOREVER..no medicine needed!Love always,Sheila in North CarolinaFrom: Christ <ludichrist2000@...>WebWarriors grp < >Sent: Mon, April 26, 2010 1:40:08 PMSubject: [ ] alcohol

Thank you Sheila, and all who have spoken out about alcohol, and liver damage.

It is a good thing to continue to remind others that alcohol is DEADLY to those of us with HCV.

I have related my own firsthand observations to the group, of watching someone with HCV continue to drink, and die of liver cancer....'needless ly'.

And how it effected my own life bigtime, in a bad way, and I was just a bystander.

I run across many articles about alcohol related liver disease, but dont post them here because we are primarily about Hepatitis.

Europe for example is in a crisis state with alcohol related liver damage, and deaths.

So is North America, and many other parts of the drinking world.

If you have HCV and drink, please stop, or at least seek help to stop.

If you can or cannot, remember we all still love you, and stand by you.

We might voice stern warnings, and strong opinions, but that is only because we care.

Your life is yours, given to you as a gift, to do with as you see fit.

I hope you will cherish it.

Be well my friends.

love

don in ks

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Here Here SheilaI've been going to meetings for almost 24 yrs now. I almost feel guilty because I could not find the energy to my meeting tonight and I've already missed the previous 2 or 3. I definitely will be getting back as soon as I can because I need it sooo badly. I'm living in such a miserable, negative environment right now.Also, AA had made it possible for me to have a life and it took something as small as remember to pay back by helping the next suffering alcoholic. Well, I see it as no different with the HepC groups. If I have something to offer via support, I'll always be there.Gloria

Dearest Don,,,,Thank you for being you! You are a wonderful person and I'm sure I can speak for everyone here..we love you for who you are and I hope I have the privilege of meeting you one day! And thank you so much Trudy for your thoughts and you did mentioned something I did not...if you need assistance in quitting drinking...you know you have seen those big letters in this group many times....AAI go to AA weekly, even after 4 years for it reminds me of where I don't want to be ever again and you know what, I don't care who knows for I am very proud that I found this cure for my disease with alcohol. Being in AA is exactly like being in Hep C

WebWarriors ....they both are groups to assist us with our disease, but, AA does have one advantage over Hep C group....we as an individual can definitely fight off the disease FOREVER..no medicine needed!Love always,Sheila in North CarolinaFrom: Christ <ludichrist2000>WebWarriors grp < >Sent: Mon, April 26, 2010 1:40:08 PMSubject: [ ] alcohol

Thank you Sheila, and all who have spoken out about alcohol, and liver damage.

It is a good thing to continue to remind others that alcohol is DEADLY to those of us with HCV.

I have related my own firsthand observations to the group, of watching someone with HCV continue to drink, and die of liver cancer....'needless ly'.

And how it effected my own life bigtime, in a bad way, and I was just a bystander.

I run across many articles about alcohol related liver disease, but dont post them here because we are primarily about Hepatitis.

Europe for example is in a crisis state with alcohol related liver damage, and deaths.

So is North America, and many other parts of the drinking world.

If you have HCV and drink, please stop, or at least seek help to stop.

If you can or cannot, remember we all still love you, and stand by you.

We might voice stern warnings, and strong opinions, but that is only because we care.

Your life is yours, given to you as a gift, to do with as you see fit.

I hope you will cherish it.

Be well my friends.

love

don in ks

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> are we allowed alcohol

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>>> Hi. Is your name Meagan? Make sure to sign your future posts, please.

Bee's website has a fabulous search engine in the top right hand corner. Not

being one of her moderators, I used that search engine and found this article:

<http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/foods32.php>

which states:

" here's the top-10 list of mycotoxic foods that you will want to avoid.

By A. Holland, M.D.

1. Alcoholic beverages "

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> For people that have overcame Candida - were you ever able to drink alcohol

again?

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+++Hi ,

Yes, I have, but I don't have very much.

Bee

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Thanks Bee ~ Its confusing because one friend on mine was able to drink just

after limiting her diet for a few months, another friend dealt with candida

years ago but said to this day he can't even have one beer. I have been on the

diet for a year and a half. I am seeing only some improvements - so I am

guessing i wont be having a drink for a loooooong time. oh well. just curious

about other people's experiences.

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> > For people that have overcame Candida - were you ever able to drink alcohol

again?

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> +++Hi ,

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> Yes, I have, but I don't have very much.

>

> Bee

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> Thanks Bee ~ Its confusing because one friend on mine was able to drink just

after limiting her diet for a few months, another friend dealt with candida

years ago but said to this day he can't even have one beer. I have been on the

diet for a year and a half. I am seeing only some improvements - so I am

guessing i wont be having a drink for a loooooong time. oh well. just curious

about other people's experiences.

>

+++Hi ,

I doubt either of those people did my candida program.

Bee

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I am a recovering alcoholic with CLL. A very good friend of mine, also an

alcoholic was recently diagnosed with Waldemstoms. Very similar to CLL.

Alcoholics rarely see Doctors. And as we all know, CLL is most often discovered

by a blood test for some other reason. So there could be many undiagnosed

alcoholics with CLL. Also most alcoholics don't admit they have an alcohol

problem. So their could be many with CLL that don't admit to being an alcoholic.

I have 17p deletion which I believe may have been caused by the alcohol.

Having said all this, I feel great right now after having RF in 05 and not

drinking.

Dave

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Hi Guys and gals

I know this is a bit off topic, but has anyone built up a dependency on

alcohol whilst fighting the symptoms or just searching for a diagnosis's? i

ask because I have had one fuck of a year dealing with the police, i will

tell all if anyone is interested but the crucz of the matter id

even thou the court has bean and gone, I haven't gone to jail, good for me

but foremost my family. i am completely resting on alcohol to keep me going

and it's fucking my life up, most of my troubles seem to be over, but i

have created a new demon i have to deal with, for the record, Ive been on

testogel before due to climbing LH and TSH levels, my reatment was more to

keep me happy rather than help me, I will expand like I say if there is any

interest. bit pissedd so please xcuse typo's

--

Thanks and Regards, Tim.

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Substance abuse and other health problems are two different situations. Think

about detox and then a 28 day rehab stay. Get to the root of your addiction and

learn better ways of coping and living. Alcohol abuse effects many areas of

your body including liver, throat, testes, etc. Properly treat them both but dnt

think they are one with the same tratment. Good luck

Alcohol

Hi Guys and gals

I know this is a bit off topic, but has anyone built up a dependency on

alcohol whilst fighting the symptoms or just searching for a diagnosis's? i

ask because I have had one fuck of a year dealing with the police, i will

tell all if anyone is interested but the crucz of the matter id

even thou the court has bean and gone, I haven't gone to jail, good for me

but foremost my family. i am completely resting on alcohol to keep me going

and it's fucking my life up, most of my troubles seem to be over, but i

have created a new demon i have to deal with, for the record, Ive been on

testogel before due to climbing LH and TSH levels, my reatment was more to

keep me happy rather than help me, I will expand like I say if there is any

interest. bit pissedd so please xcuse typo's

--

Thanks and Regards, Tim.

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Once again seek help for you and your family. I can't see how you want me or

anyone else to respond back with advice.... Your addiction you said has caused

you and your family pain! What else 'bottom' do you need to go into treatment?

Good luck with your addiction and homorne issues

Alcohol

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im th3e last prson to ask but ye lets talk mqn

WTF???

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> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Substance abuse and other health problems are two different situations.

> > > > Think about detox and then a 28 day rehab stay. Get to the root of your

> > > > addiction and learn better ways of coping and living. Alcohol abuse

> > effects

> > > > many areas of your body including liver, throat, testes, etc. Properly

> > treat

> > > > them both but dnt think they are one with the same tratment. Good luck

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Alcohol

> > > >

> > > > Hi Guys and gals

> > > >

> > > > I know this is a bit off topic, but has anyone built up a dependency on

> > > > alcohol whilst fighting the symptoms or just searching for a

> > diagnosis's? i

> > > > ask because I have had one fuck of a year dealing with the police, i

> > will

> > > > tell all if anyone is interested but the crucz of the matter id

> > > > even thou the court has bean and gone, I haven't gone to jail, good for

> > me

> > > > but foremost my family. i am completely resting on alcohol to keep me

> > going

> > > > and it's fucking my life up, most of my troubles seem to be over, but i

> > > > have created a new demon i have to deal with, for the record, Ive been

> > on

> > > > testogel before due to climbing LH and TSH levels, my reatment was more

> > to

> > > > keep me happy rather than help me, I will expand like I say if there is

> > any

> > > > interest. bit pissedd so please xcuse typo's

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > > Thanks and Regards, Tim.

> > > >

> > > >

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Hi Guys,

i must apologise for my drunken rantings on such a serious forum as this, I

have issues for sure, starting with being a 25 year out TC survivor, ive

been through some pretty shoddy hormonal stuff, without support, and got

nothing but prostate issues from it, life so far has been petty crap tbh,

again sorry for the intrusion,Tim.

On 7 February 2011 00:30, cvictorg <cvgrashow@...> wrote:

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> im th3e last prson to ask but ye lets talk mqn

>

> WTF???

>

>

>

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Substance abuse and other health problems are two different

> situations.

> > > > > Think about detox and then a 28 day rehab stay. Get to the root of

> your

> > > > > addiction and learn better ways of coping and living. Alcohol abuse

> > > effects

> > > > > many areas of your body including liver, throat, testes, etc.

> Properly

> > > treat

> > > > > them both but dnt think they are one with the same tratment. Good

> luck

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Alcohol

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi Guys and gals

> > > > >

> > > > > I know this is a bit off topic, but has anyone built up a

> dependency on

> > > > > alcohol whilst fighting the symptoms or just searching for a

> > > diagnosis's? i

> > > > > ask because I have had one fuck of a year dealing with the police,

> i

> > > will

> > > > > tell all if anyone is interested but the crucz of the matter id

> > > > > even thou the court has bean and gone, I haven't gone to jail, good

> for

> > > me

> > > > > but foremost my family. i am completely resting on alcohol to keep

> me

> > > going

> > > > > and it's fucking my life up, most of my troubles seem to be over,

> but i

> > > > > have created a new demon i have to deal with, for the record, Ive

> been

> > > on

> > > > > testogel before due to climbing LH and TSH levels, my reatment was

> more

> > > to

> > > > > keep me happy rather than help me, I will expand like I say if

> there is

> > > any

> > > > > interest. bit pissedd so please xcuse typo's

> > > > >

> > > > > --

> > > > > Thanks and Regards, Tim.

> > > > >

> > > > >

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http://floridadetox.com/

Why not contact these folks for help? They understand addictions and hormones

etc.

EL

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> Hi Guys and gals

>

> I know this is a bit off topic, but has anyone built up a dependency on

> alcohol whilst fighting the symptoms or just searching for a diagnosis's? i

> ask because I have had one fuck of a year dealing with the police, i will

> tell all if anyone is interested but the crucz of the matter id

> even thou the court has bean and gone, I haven't gone to jail, good for me

> but foremost my family. i am completely resting on alcohol to keep me going

> and it's fucking my life up, most of my troubles seem to be over, but i

> have created a new demon i have to deal with, for the record, Ive been on

> testogel before due to climbing LH and TSH levels, my reatment was more to

> keep me happy rather than help me, I will expand like I say if there is any

> interest. bit pissedd so please xcuse typo's

>

> --

> Thanks and Regards, Tim.

>

>

>

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i am really OK with this guy's, most of my life has been somewhat of

a struggle, I just blew a gasket for a bit there, I really think I'm

capable of working this issue(alcohol) out for myself, just need to get in

the right mindset, When you have been sick for so long, seeing dr's that say

there's nothing wrong with you when you know that there definitely is,has

driven me to the edge at time's but I am a fighter and wont give up until I

make some sense of this mess, just having been dx with Emphysema hasn't

helped but for me it's just another one to add to the list, thank,s for all

the replies, and again I apologise for causing bad vibes, Tim.

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We are in your corner Tim, however addiction is a disease on itself. Its not

caused by low T or another illness. It may be a symptom of something larger but

please dnt think you can handle this on your own, because many tried and many

failed. If you want to stay in a life of recovery, a beautiful existance, seek

proper help. You are a failure for not seeking help now, and not because of the

bad stuff alcohol has caused. Addiction is a family disease! Seek treatment for

Tim and Tim's family. Good luck

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> Some tough love never hurts. Some times the truth does hurt, but I think

> again there are other issues at hand here and they are not biologicail

>

>

> >

> > Who me? We never talked on the side. I dnt care how you perceive my

> advice and how dare you say I am not compassionate? You know nothing about

> me aside from this forum. I deal with my health and seek the attention of

> docs.

> >

> > But I will not hold someones hand who lives in denial about his / her

> health including addiction. I dnt care if you dnt like it. 12 step groups

> will hold your hand and say its not your fault.

> >

> > I gave good advise. You call him uncompassionate because he is hurting

> himself, familý, friends, and community due to not getting proper help. If

> you are in recovery david God bless you brother but dnt ask me to play the

> Bill W role, because I refuse.

> >

> > Get into treat

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uu1845,

you nailed it on the head after proper probing one would want to examine the

pathology of why these addiction are taking place. These usual are some what of

a genetic trait. Most likely mother drank during pregenency, or their is

alcholism that runs in the family.

> > >

> > > Who me? We never talked on the side. I dnt care how you perceive my

> > advice and how dare you say I am not compassionate? You know nothing about

> > me aside from this forum. I deal with my health and seek the attention of

> > docs.

> > >

> > > But I will not hold someones hand who lives in denial about his / her

> > health including addiction. I dnt care if you dnt like it. 12 step groups

> > will hold your hand and say its not your fault.

> > >

> > > I gave good advise. You call him uncompassionate because he is hurting

> > himself, familý, friends, and community due to not getting proper help. If

> > you are in recovery david God bless you brother but dnt ask me to play the

> > Bill W role, because I refuse.

> > >

> > > Get into treat

>

>

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Stop fucking around with the rationalizations and excuses. Get your ass into

a 12 step program. Do it today. You are throwing your life away as an

addict.

Recovery is a process, not an event.

Accept responsibility for the fact that you are an addict, and do something

about it. You are not the only addict in the world. Some find the courage to

heal, and others don't. Join the former group, so you can learn to feel and

live again. You were not born as an emotional zombie. You can heal.

Consider for a moment that the reason for addictive behavior is to suppress

feelings which you don't want to deal with. Unfortunately, it is not

possible to selectively repress only your rage or sadness, when you try,

what you end up doing is suppressing all of your feelings. In other words,

when you are actively addicted, then you are not an emotionally whole

persons, who is feeling and present in relationship with others. The most

important thing in life is relationship. That is what you are giving up.

On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 4:11 AM, Tim <t.skillen@...> wrote:

> i am really OK with this guy's, most of my life has been somewhat of

> a struggle, I just blew a gasket for a bit there, I really think I'm

> capable of working this issue(alcohol) out for myself, just need to get in

> the right mindset, When you have been sick for so long, seeing dr's that

> say

> there's nothing wrong with you when you know that there definitely is,has

> driven me to the edge at time's but I am a fighter and wont give up until I

> make some sense of this mess, just having been dx with Emphysema hasn't

> helped but for me it's just another one to add to the list, thank,s for all

> the replies, and again I apologise for causing bad vibes, Tim.

>

> On 7 February 2011 19:47, <uu1845@...> wrote:

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> > That's all it was hardas.

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Once and addict always an addict. Acquaitaice I know went into rehab for 3

months. In face value he gave this illusion of a good christian, father, and

husband, but had horrible drug addiction as well was an adrenaline junky. One

day he be quoting me bible verses next thing you know he be doing all kinds of

recreational drugs. His wife put him into rehab and she just had a baby. She

also gave him an ultimatium. Drugs or family. He could not see or hold his baby

daughter for 3 months while in the tank. After he came out he appeared to be

doing well for a few weeks, but went back to his old habits..

> > > >

> > > > Who me? We never talked on the side. I dnt care how you perceive my

> > > advice and how dare you say I am not compassionate? You know nothing

> > about

> > > me aside from this forum. I deal with my health and seek the attention of

> > > docs.

> > > >

> > > > But I will not hold someones hand who lives in denial about his / her

> > > health including addiction. I dnt care if you dnt like it. 12 step groups

> > > will hold your hand and say its not your fault.

> > > >

> > > > I gave good advise. You call him uncompassionate because he is hurting

> > > himself, familý, friends, and community due to not getting proper help.

> > If

> > > you are in recovery david God bless you brother but dnt ask me to play

> > the

> > > Bill W role, because I refuse.

> > > >

> > > > Get into treatment and talk about your problems, work on them, self

> > > evaluate, rekindle ties with your family, put blame on yourseld and learn

> > > how to cope with it, be humble, and live healthier. Have a good life

> > david

> > > >

> > > > RE: [

> > >

> > > [The entire original message is not included]

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Stopping the addictive behavior is only the beginning. You must be ready to

heal the parts which are behind the behavior. Otherwise there is no hope.

Addict use food, drugs, sex, excitement, crime, etc... in order to avoid

themselves. It is a painful process which takes courage and commitment.

It is entirely possible to an addict to stop using. But it is a process,

which requires commitment. Your friend who went through the motions for a

few months because his wife threatened him did not have much of a chance, as

it was not his choice to be in recovery.

It is possible to substitute one addiction for another. For example,

religion for booze. It might not kill you as fast as booze, but it is

unhealthy. Our recent president was an example of an alcoholic and drug

addict who kicked the drugs, but not the emotional illness which accompanied

it. There were plenty of journal articles in the professional press which

identified his addictive personality traits. That is part of why his

relationships with his secretary of defense and his vice president were so

dysfunctional. I only mention him because he was a high profile example of

how much damage the failure to deal with these personality issues can be.

As adults, we have no control over our past. But we have an obligation to

step up to the plate and heal our issues.

On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 6:04 AM, hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...

> wrote:

>

>

> Once and addict always an addict. Acquaitaice I know went into rehab for 3

> months. In face value he gave this illusion of a good christian, father, and

> husband, but had horrible drug addiction as well was an adrenaline junky.

> One day he be quoting me bible verses next thing you know he be doing all

> kinds of recreational drugs. His wife put him into rehab and she just had a

> baby. She also gave him an ultimatium. Drugs or family. He could not see or

> hold his baby daughter for 3 months while in the tank. After he came out he

> appeared to be doing well for a few weeks, but went back to his old habits..

>

>

>

> > > > >

> > > > > Who me? We never talked on the side. I dnt care how you perceive my

> > > > advice and how dare you say I am not compassionate? You know nothing

> > > about

> > > > me aside from this forum. I deal with my health and seek the

> attention of

> > > > docs.

> > > > >

> > > > > But I will not hold someones hand who lives in denial about his /

> her

> > > > health including addiction. I dnt care if you dnt like it. 12 step

> groups

> > > > will hold your hand and say its not your fault.

> > > > >

> > > > > I gave good advise. You call him uncompassionate because he is

> hurting

> > > > himself, familý, friends, and community due to not getting proper

> help.

>

> > > If

> > > > you are in recovery david God bless you brother but dnt ask me to

> play

> > > the

> > > > Bill W role, because I refuse.

> > > > >

> > > > > Get into treatment and talk about your problems, work on them, self

> > > > evaluate, rekindle ties with your family, put blame on yourseld and

> learn

> > > > how to cope with it, be humble, and live healthier. Have a good life

> > > david

> > > > >

> > > > > RE: [

> > > >

> > > > [The entire original message is not included]

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

I agree with both hardas (shawn?) and spanky, however our words are meaningless

unless Tim finds meaning in its intention.

Be careful spanky, someone (I think to me) heavily criticized me and wrote I was

uncompassionate and a complainer.

Re: Re: Alcohol

Stopping the addictive behavior is only the beginning. You must be ready to

heal the parts which are behind the behavior. Otherwise there is no hope.

Addict use food, drugs, sex, excitement, crime, etc... in order to avoid

themselves. It is a painful process which takes courage and commitment.

It is entirely possible to an addict to stop using. But it is a process,

which requires commitment. Your friend who went through the motions for a

few months because his wife threatened him did not have much of a chance, as

it was not his choice to be in recovery.

It is possible to substitute one addiction for another. For example,

religion for booze. It might not kill you as fast as booze, but it is

unhealthy. Our recent president was an example of an alcoholic and drug

addict who kicked the drugs, but not the emotional illness which accompanied

it. There were plenty of journal articles in the professional press which

identified his addictive personality traits. That is part of why his

relationships with his secretary of defense and his vice president were so

dysfunctional. I only mention him because he was a high profile example of

how much damage the failure to deal with these personality issues can be.

As adults, we have no control over our past. But we have an obligation to

step up to the plate and heal our issues.

On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 6:04 AM, hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...

> wrote:

>

>

> Once and addict always an addict. Acquaitaice I know went into rehab for 3

> months. In face value he gave this illusion of a good christian, father, and

> husband, but had horrible drug addiction as well was an adrenaline junky.

> One day he be quoting me bible verses next thing you know he be doing all

> kinds of recreational drugs. His wife put him into rehab and she just had a

> baby. She also gave him an ultimatium. Drugs or family. He could not see or

> hold his baby daughter for 3 months while in the tank. After he came out he

> appeared to be doin

[The entire original message is not included]

[Guest guest]

Three years ago I bured my first wife who died of liver failure to do alcohol

abuse. She was forty-three years old. Myself and my kids were showered with

verbal abuse from this person that has taken a while to work through. There

are still days that I hear that persons words ringing in my ears describing

what kind of worthless person I am. My kids are doing better, I can see the

scars in them. Luckily they don't see what I see and I pray that time will

continue to heal them.

It sounds like you have a lot on your plate and you have a lot of pain buried

inside you. I do know that Low T and alcohol can be related. But you are

medicating the effects of Low T with alocohol and that is just a down ward

spiral of alcohol lowering your T levels even more. Been there done that. My

brother and I, who are both on HRT, believe that my father had extreme low T

cause he experienced severe depression. He killed himself at the age of 46 and

he wasn't an alcoholic. The only advice I can give you is that you are

responsible for where you are right now in your life and you are responsible for

the choices you make from this day forward. I can tell by you reaching out

here you feel have no other place available to you. Please understand alcohol

abuse makes a person isolate themselves from those who can help. But ultimately

you have the choice of what you going to do. Live or die. But drinking is just

an altered state of death.

Please understand that because we are men we think we can do it ourselves. That

is how we are made. But there are times we need to ask for help. It doesn't

mean a loss of pride or that we are less of a person to reach out ask for help.

but you have to take the first step and make the commitment. My wife.......she

never made a commitment to do that, it was just words to make every one else

feel good. In the process she walked a path of destruction in every person's

lives she touched. Please don't be that person.

Please for forgive the " experts " here that like to give advice. Those who give

advice freely with a know it all attitudes usually don't recieve it very well

and for the most part don't have a clue what they are talking about. Given

that, I am easily annoyed and don't have much patience with those kinds of

people. As a result, I don't give much input here, cause you don't want to

throw your pearls before the swine. But in your case I felt it was important to

you to hear what I had to share and I want you to succeed in this time of trial

you are experiencing. You didn't get to this place in your life over night. It

is going to take many more nights before you see daylight. Please begin the

journey now.

Take care

Dave

>

> From: t.skillen@...

> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 12:11:52 +0000

> Subject: Re: Re: Alcohol

>

> i am really OK with this guy's, most of my life has been somewhat of

> a struggle, I just blew a gasket for a bit there, I really think I'm

> capable of working this issue(alcohol) out for myself, just need to get in

> the right mindset, When you have been sick for so long, seeing dr's that say

> there's nothing wrong with you when you know that there definitely is,has

> driven me to the edge at time's but I am a fighter and wont give up until I

> make some sense of this mess, just having been dx with Emphysema hasn't

> helped but for me it's just another one to add to the list, thank,s for all

> the replies, and again I apologise for causing bad vibes, Tim.

>

> On 7 February 2011 19:47, <uu1845@...> wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > That's all it was hardas.

> >

> >

> > RE: [

> >

> > [The entire original message is not included]

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Tim no need to apologise here read this link to my story you will see your not

alone.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/st ... ils-story/

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> >

> >

> > That's all it was hardas.

> >

> >

> > RE: [

> >

> > [The entire original message is not included]

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Great success story a very hard way to go but your still hear. I look at every

new day as a gift and take it the best way I can.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: A lan <mills47460@...>

> Subject: Re: Alcohol

>

> Date: Tuesday, February 8, 2011, 3:25 PM

> I started drinking around 20, out of

> despair for what I was. I had learned I had Klinefelters a

> year earlier, and the full effect of testosterone had not

> taken hold of my body yet. I had a terrible personality,

> couldn't get attracted to females, struck out on every one I

> tried. Tried to connect with guys my age. Struck out there,

> too.

> Drank almost every evening after work. Would go back to my

> rooming house drunk, and barely made it to work the next

> day.

>

> I continued drinking for the next 25 years, sometimes

> heavily, and sometimes barely. My work environment was a lot

> of it, coupled with my continued inability to perform well

> sexually. I married at 26, but that didn't really help with

> the lonlieness and unfulfilled life.

>

> Then, about 1990, at age 54, my stomach bothered me a lot,

> and I quit. A couple of years later, I re-found Jesus, and

> my life changed. I had new hope, even though the physical

> aspects were the same. Sex wasn't primarily on my mind, and

> I don't really care about ever becoming rich. My bank

> account shows that, as I struggle month to month between my

> Social Security Disability checks and what little I make on

> self employment. ** That's another thing. Because of my lack

> of personality, even though I have been told I was among the

> best in my field, I couldn't get hired by anyone. I have

> been self-employed for 27 years. My work goals have never

> been fulfilled either.

>

> But, for 21 years, I have been alcohol-free.

>

>

> >  >

> >  > Hi Guys and gals

> >  >

> >  > I know this is a bit off topic, but has

> anyone built up a dependency on

> >  > alcohol whilst fighting the symptoms or

> just searching for a diagnosis's? i

> >  > ask because I have had one fuck of a year

> dealing with the police, i will

> >  > tell all if anyone is interested but the

> crucz of the matter id

> >  > even thou the court has bean and gone, I

> haven't gone to jail, good for me

> >  > but foremost my family. i am completely

> resting on alcohol to keep me going

> >  > and it's fucking my life up, most of my

> troubles seem to be over, but i

> >  > have created a new demon i have to deal

> with, for the record, Ive been on

> >  > testogel before due to climbing LH and TSH

> levels, my reatment was more to

> >  > keep me happy rather than help me, I will

> expand like I say if there is any

> >  > interest. bit pissedd so please xcuse

> typo's

> >  >

> >  > --

> >  > Thanks and Regards, Tim.

> >  >

> >  >

> >  > [Non-text portions of this message have

> been removed]

> >  >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > [The entire original message is not included]

> >

> >