Re: Review of Dr. Overbeck and Hardasnails

March 12, 2010

Phil great post and it's good to hear your doing better.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: phil nicolaou <ifpacpt@...>

> Subject: Review of Dr. Overbeck and Hardasnails

>

> Cc: hardasnails1973@...

> Date: Thursday, March 11, 2010, 11:39 PM

> Hi,

>

> My name is Phil. I joined this forum several months ago

> because I was diagnosed with low t. It was not apparent at

> the time what was causing my low T, whether I was primary or

> secondary. So I went to my primary care. He said to start

> using androgel.

> I wanted a second opinion so he referred me to an

> endocrinologist. I wont mention any names. The endo did her

> blood work, tested my pituitary gland and at that time was

> total test was 164. So she prescribed androgel, which i

> started to use at 5g a day. She didnt tell me that androgel

> can amplify sleep apnea or can even cause choking as I

> sleep. Regardless, I was on the gel for over a month, maybe

> 7 weeks. I didnt feel any different and my t levels went to

> 380..still at the cut off point for a 31 yr old male.

>

> So I sat back and thought and thought, over and over. I had

> found about Dr. Overbeck and Hardasnails from this forum.

> They werent covered by my insurance and I was debating

> whether or not to see them because it can be costly..

> So I bit the bullett and went to see them. Because,

> fortunately I was in the financial situation to afford pay

> for the visits. Afterall, my health is #1. Without it, I've

> got nothing!

>

> Their approach was completely different. Dr. O and Hard

> wanted to know WHY my testerone wasnt not responding the way

> it should for a relatively healthy 31 yr old male. They had

> me do a clomid challenge. Well after a week on clomid my

> test levels shot up to 630!

>

> They were looking at other reasons as to why my test

> responded well to clomid but was stopping my body from

> making test..turns out, I had a severe allergy to

> dairy,gluten and wheat! This food allergy was overlooked by

> TWO endos.

> I read about this online later and it says that basically

> some people are allergic to certain foods despite never

> having showed any symptoms of an allergy. The screwed up

> thing is that this food allergy was screwing up my

> testerone.

> Not to mention Dr. O and Hard found that I was also anemic!

> My primary OR the TWO endos didnt find that because they

> DIDNT LOOK! they did a half assed job!

>

> I have very low iron and hard suggested that I use an iron

> supplement which I use daily and I think it is helping with

> RLS too!

>

> So I went to 2 " in network " Endos and in my opinion they

> are useless. Really are.

>

> Had I not gone to see Dr. O and Hard, I would have kept

> eating dairy,gluten,wheat, kept using androgel and wondering

> why my test levels would have never probably reached the

> 5/600 level that is a good starting point.

>

> Its scary to see that some medical doctors realy dont care

> about how YOU are feeling that dont have to live with it

> like YOU do. they get a kickback when they prescribe

> androgel.

>

> After having discovered my food allergy, while the repair

> process is still in the works, dr o and hard are confident

> they found the problem. I feel better as well. Its going to

> take time, but I sense I feel better overall..

>

> If you live in the philadelphia are and want to see two

> guys that KNOW what to look for and dont just prescribe hrt,

> YOU NEED TO GO SEE DR.O and HARD!

>

> Especialy Hard. This guy knows his shit. I dont know what

> his education is exactly, but he knows more about hormones

> than the endos I went to see.

>

> the point here being that its obvious what doctors care and

> what doctors care about the $$ and nothng more. I ran into 2

> or 3 that were after the $$ and nothing else..it was

> obvious!

>

> Im glad I found Dr. O and Hard on here. They are worth

> EVERY DIME tenfold!

>

> oh and one other KEY thing to keep in mind..

>

> Hard went over my bloodwork with me. Not that I understood

> it all, but he walked me through every line trying to

> explain to me how it was all tied together. do I understand

> it all, heck no, but he took the time to explain what his

> findings were and where he and dr. o want to go next.

> Sitting down with me and talking to me about what you found

> and where I am vs where i need to be and the gameplan

> SEPERATES these two gentlemen from other clueless endos!

>

> You wont find a more knowledgeable team in the Philadelphia

> area that Dr. Overbeck and Hard as nails.

>

> It also helped that hard went through this himself..he knew

> what to look for..

>

> GO SEE DR.O and hard as nails..they know their stuff . They

> try to find the break in your chain, not patch it like

> endos....

> Their approach makes the most sense..

>

> Key difference, Dr. O and Hard LISTENED to how I was

> feeling and wanted to know why.. the Endos didnt care. Take

> androgel and be on your way...it amazes me that medical

> doctors that specialize in the endocrine system dont really

> understand how it works apparently..

>

> I wonder if some of these endos BUY their medical

> license..seriously.. talk about a bad taste in my mouth..

>

> ________________________________

> From: Kyrios Ouranos <okyrios@...>

>

> Sent: Wed, March 10, 2010 5:00:09 PM

> Subject: Not all endos and uros are bad

>

> I'm a bit blown away. I went to a uro originally for ED

> issues and discovered the low T. He started me on Androgel,

> but was quite willing and cooperative when I told him I

> wanted to go on injections. He had not tested for estradiol

> when I first went to him but readily agreed to the

> test. When estradiol skyrocketed he told me that he was not

> really up on aromatase inhibitors but was willing to let me

> try Armidex. He came to our appointment with notes and

> research, talked to me in detail about things to watch for,

> and handed me a script. He balked at HCG implementation,

> saying he was not " comfortable " with prescribing it for me

> and it would be best if I talked to an endo about it.

>

> Well, my appt. with the endo was today. Actually he treats

> my diabetes usually. But I had told his nurse a few days ago

> that I was taking Arimidex and he seemed fine with it. I

> went to today's appointment armed with Dr. Crisler's

> articles. I never even needed them. I asked him if he was

> averse to prescribing HCG and he said absolutely not, that

> he thought it was a good idea and would be helpful, and

> (since he knew I hung out here) asked if there was a

> particular protocol I wanted to follow.

>

> I was floored. I've heard so many men here speak of the

> problems that they have getting doctors to listen to them

> and accept the validity of these treatments. I was prepared

> to do battle or find new doctors. Thank goodness I seem to

> have lucked out with my choices. Between that and the

> collective wisdom of this group, I'm feeling like I have a

> fighting chance!

>

> By the way, is any particular " brand " or type of HCG more

> recommended than another?

>

March 15, 2010

Is their contact information around anywhere? I am at my wits end with all of

this and ready to bag all the shots and drugs my endo has me on because I feel

just as lousy as I do when I am off them. My T levels are fine but I still feel

like crap and can't stop the weight gain no matter what I do. I am exhausted

all the time. I need to go to someone who knows what the freak they're doing.

Regards,

Joe

>

> Hi,

>

> My name is Phil. I joined this forum several months ago because I was

diagnosed with low t. It was not apparent at the time what was causing my low T,

whether I was primary or secondary. So I went to my primary care. He said to

start using androgel.

> I wanted a second opinion so he referred me to an endocrinologist. I wont

mention any names. The endo did her blood work, tested my pituitary gland and at

that time was total test was 164. So she prescribed androgel, which i started to

use at 5g a day. She didnt tell me that androgel can amplify sleep apnea or can

even cause choking as I sleep. Regardless, I was on the gel for over a month,

maybe 7 weeks. I didnt feel any different and my t levels went to 380..still at

the cut off point for a 31 yr old male.

>

> So I sat back and thought and thought, over and over. I had found about Dr.

Overbeck and Hardasnails from this forum. They werent covered by my insurance

and I was debating whether or not to see them because it can be costly..

> So I bit the bullett and went to see them. Because, fortunately I was in the

financial situation to afford pay for the visits. Afterall, my health is #1.

Without it, I've got nothing!

>

> Their approach was completely different. Dr. O and Hard wanted to know WHY my

testerone wasnt not responding the way it should for a relatively healthy 31 yr

old male. They had me do a clomid challenge. Well after a week on clomid my test

levels shot up to 630!

>

> They were looking at other reasons as to why my test responded well to clomid

but was stopping my body from making test..turns out, I had a severe allergy to

dairy,gluten and wheat! This food allergy was overlooked by TWO endos.

> I read about this online later and it says that basically some people are

allergic to certain foods despite never having showed any symptoms of an

allergy. The screwed up thing is that this food allergy was screwing up my

testerone.

> Not to mention Dr. O and Hard found that I was also anemic! My primary OR the

TWO endos didnt find that because they DIDNT LOOK! they did a half assed job!

>

> I have very low iron and hard suggested that I use an iron supplement which I

use daily and I think it is helping with RLS too!

>

> So I went to 2 " in network " Endos and in my opinion they are useless. Really

are.

>

> Had I not gone to see Dr. O and Hard, I would have kept eating

dairy,gluten,wheat, kept using androgel and wondering why my test levels would

have never probably reached the 5/600 level that is a good starting point.

>

> Its scary to see that some medical doctors realy dont care about how YOU are

feeling that dont have to live with it like YOU do. they get a kickback when

they prescribe androgel.

>

> After having discovered my food allergy, while the repair process is still in

the works, dr o and hard are confident they found the problem. I feel better as

well. Its going to take time, but I sense I feel better overall..

>

> If you live in the philadelphia are and want to see two guys that KNOW what to

look for and dont just prescribe hrt, YOU NEED TO GO SEE DR.O and HARD!

>

> Especialy Hard. This guy knows his shit. I dont know what his education is

exactly, but he knows more about hormones than the endos I went to see.

>

> the point here being that its obvious what doctors care and what doctors care

about the $$ and nothng more. I ran into 2 or 3 that were after the $$ and

nothing else..it was obvious!

>

> Im glad I found Dr. O and Hard on here. They are worth EVERY DIME tenfold!

>

> oh and one other KEY thing to keep in mind..

>

> Hard went over my bloodwork with me. Not that I understood it all, but he

walked me through every line trying to explain to me how it was all tied

together. do I understand it all, heck no, but he took the time to explain what

his findings were and where he and dr. o want to go next.

> Sitting down with me and talking to me about what you found and where I am vs

where i need to be and the gameplan SEPERATES these two gentlemen from other

clueless endos!

>

> You wont find a more knowledgeable team in the Philadelphia area that Dr.

Overbeck and Hard as nails.

>

> It also helped that hard went through this himself..he knew what to look for..

>

> GO SEE DR.O and hard as nails..they know their stuff . They try to find the

break in your chain, not patch it like endos....

> Their approach makes the most sense..

>

> Key difference, Dr. O and Hard LISTENED to how I was feeling and wanted to

know why.. the Endos didnt care. Take androgel and be on your way...it amazes me

that medical doctors that specialize in the endocrine system dont really

understand how it works apparently..

>

> I wonder if some of these endos BUY their medical license..seriously.. talk

about a bad taste in my mouth..

>

> ________________________________

> From: Kyrios Ouranos <okyrios@...>

>

> Sent: Wed, March 10, 2010 5:00:09 PM

> Subject: Not all endos and uros are bad

>

> I'm a bit blown away. I went to a uro originally for ED issues and discovered

the low T. He started me on Androgel, but was quite willing and cooperative when

I told him I wanted to go on injections. He had not tested for estradiol when I

first went to him but readily agreed to the test. When estradiol skyrocketed he

told me that he was not really up on aromatase inhibitors but was willing to let

me try Armidex. He came to our appointment with notes and research, talked to me

in detail about things to watch for, and handed me a script. He balked at HCG

implementation, saying he was not " comfortable " with prescribing it for me and

it would be best if I talked to an endo about it.

>

> Well, my appt. with the endo was today. Actually he treats my diabetes

usually. But I had told his nurse a few days ago that I was taking Arimidex and

he seemed fine with it. I went to today's appointment armed with Dr. Crisler's

articles. I never even needed them. I asked him if he was averse to prescribing

HCG and he said absolutely not, that he thought it was a good idea and would be

helpful, and (since he knew I hung out here) asked if there was a particular

protocol I wanted to follow.

>

> I was floored. I've heard so many men here speak of the problems that they

have getting doctors to listen to them and accept the validity of these

treatments. I was prepared to do battle or find new doctors. Thank goodness I

seem to have lucked out with my choices. Between that and the collective wisdom

of this group, I'm feeling like I have a fighting chance!

>

> By the way, is any particular " brand " or type of HCG more recommended than

another?

>

March 15, 2010

He is in the Database section from the home page for Dr.'s.

====================================================

Overbeck hardasnails1973@... 484-868-0916 contact 1100 fayette

st Conshohocken Internal medicine Male and female hormone disorders and

metabolic disorders fax.610-828-2026

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: noonanjg <jgnoonan@...>

> Subject: Re: Review of Dr. Overbeck and Hardasnails

>

> Date: Monday, March 15, 2010, 11:00 AM

>

> Is their contact information around anywhere? I am at

> my wits end with all of this and ready to bag all the shots

> and drugs my endo has me on because I feel just as lousy as

> I do when I am off them. My T levels are fine but I

> still feel like crap and can't stop the weight gain no

> matter what I do. I am exhausted all the time. I

> need to go to someone who knows what the freak they're

> doing.

>

> Regards,

>

> Joe

>

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > My name is Phil. I joined this forum several months

> ago because I was diagnosed with low t. It was not apparent

> at the time what was causing my low T, whether I was primary

> or secondary. So I went to my primary care. He said to start

> using androgel.

> > I wanted a second opinion so he referred me to an

> endocrinologist. I wont mention any names. The endo did her

> blood work, tested my pituitary gland and at that time was

> total test was 164. So she prescribed androgel, which i

> started to use at 5g a day. She didnt tell me that androgel

> can amplify sleep apnea or can even cause choking as I

> sleep. Regardless, I was on the gel for over a month, maybe

> 7 weeks. I didnt feel any different and my t levels went to

> 380..still at the cut off point for a 31 yr old male.

> >

> > So I sat back and thought and thought, over and over.

> I had found about Dr. Overbeck and Hardasnails from this

> forum. They werent covered by my insurance and I was

> debating whether or not to see them because it can be

> costly..

> > So I bit the bullett and went to see them. Because,

> fortunately I was in the financial situation to afford pay

> for the visits. Afterall, my health is #1. Without it, I've

> got nothing!

> >

> > Their approach was completely different. Dr. O and

> Hard wanted to know WHY my testerone wasnt not responding

> the way it should for a relatively healthy 31 yr old male.

> They had me do a clomid challenge. Well after a week on

> clomid my test levels shot up to 630!

> >

> > They were looking at other reasons as to why my test

> responded well to clomid but was stopping my body from

> making test..turns out, I had a severe allergy to

> dairy,gluten and wheat! This food allergy was overlooked by

> TWO endos.

> > I read about this online later and it says that

> basically some people are allergic to certain foods despite

> never having showed any symptoms of an allergy. The screwed

> up thing is that this food allergy was screwing up my

> testerone.

> > Not to mention Dr. O and Hard found that I was also

> anemic! My primary OR the TWO endos didnt find that because

> they DIDNT LOOK! they did a half assed job!

> >

> > I have very low iron and hard suggested that I use an

> iron supplement which I use daily and I think it is helping

> with RLS too!

> >

> > So I went to 2 " in network " Endos and in my opinion

> they are useless. Really are.

> >

> > Had I not gone to see Dr. O and Hard, I would have

> kept eating dairy,gluten,wheat, kept using androgel and

> wondering why my test levels would have never probably

> reached the 5/600 level that is a good starting point.

> >

> > Its scary to see that some medical doctors realy dont

> care about how YOU are feeling that dont have to live with

> it like YOU do. they get a kickback when they prescribe

> androgel.

> >

> > After having discovered my food allergy, while the

> repair process is still in the works, dr o and hard are

> confident they found the problem. I feel better as well. Its

> going to take time, but I sense I feel better overall..

> >

> > If you live in the philadelphia are and want to see

> two guys that KNOW what to look for and dont just prescribe

> hrt, YOU NEED TO GO SEE DR.O and HARD!

> >

> > Especialy Hard. This guy knows his shit. I dont know

> what his education is exactly, but he knows more about

> hormones than the endos I went to see.

> >

> > the point here being that its obvious what doctors

> care and what doctors care about the $$ and nothng more. I

> ran into 2 or 3 that were after the $$ and nothing else..it

> was obvious!

> >

> > Im glad I found Dr. O and Hard on here. They are worth

> EVERY DIME tenfold!

> >

> > oh and one other KEY thing to keep in mind..

> >

> > Hard went over my bloodwork with me. Not that I

> understood it all, but he walked me through every line

> trying to explain to me how it was all tied together. do I

> understand it all, heck no, but he took the time to explain

> what his findings were and where he and dr. o want to go

> next.

> > Sitting down with me and talking to me about what you

> found and where I am vs where i need to be and the gameplan

> SEPERATES these two gentlemen from other clueless endos!

> >

> > You wont find a more knowledgeable team in the

> Philadelphia area that Dr. Overbeck and Hard as

> nails.

> >

> > It also helped that hard went through this himself..he

> knew what to look for..

> >

> > GO SEE DR.O and hard as nails..they know their stuff .

> They try to find the break in your chain, not patch it like

> endos....

> > Their approach makes the most sense..

> >

> > Key difference, Dr. O and Hard LISTENED to how I was

> feeling and wanted to know why.. the Endos didnt care. Take

> androgel and be on your way...it amazes me that medical

> doctors that specialize in the endocrine system dont really

> understand how it works apparently..

> >

> > I wonder if some of these endos BUY their medical

> license..seriously.. talk about a bad taste in my mouth..

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: Kyrios Ouranos <okyrios@...>

> >

> > Sent: Wed, March 10, 2010 5:00:09 PM

> > Subject: Not all endos and uros are bad

>

> >

> > I'm a bit blown away. I went to a uro originally for

> ED issues and discovered the low T. He started me on

> Androgel, but was quite willing and cooperative when I told

> him I wanted to go on injections. He had not tested for

> estradiol when I first went to him but readily agreed

> to the test. When estradiol skyrocketed he told me that he

> was not really up on aromatase inhibitors but was willing to

> let me try Armidex. He came to our appointment with notes

> and research, talked to me in detail about things to watch

> for, and handed me a script. He balked at HCG

> implementation, saying he was not " comfortable " with

> prescribing it for me and it would be best if I talked to an

> endo about it.

> >

> > Well, my appt. with the endo was today. Actually he

> treats my diabetes usually. But I had told his nurse a few

> days ago that I was taking Arimidex and he seemed fine with

> it. I went to today's appointment armed with Dr. Crisler's

> articles. I never even needed them. I asked him if he was

> averse to prescribing HCG and he said absolutely not, that

> he thought it was a good idea and would be helpful, and

> (since he knew I hung out here) asked if there was a

> particular protocol I wanted to follow.

> >

> > I was floored. I've heard so many men here speak of

> the problems that they have getting doctors to listen to

> them and accept the validity of these treatments. I was

> prepared to do battle or find new doctors. Thank goodness I

> seem to have lucked out with my choices. Between that and

> the collective wisdom of this group, I'm feeling like I have

> a fighting chance!

> >

> > By the way, is any particular " brand " or type of HCG

> more recommended than another?

> >

March 15, 2010

Have you had your thyroid checked?

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > My name is Phil. I joined this forum several months ago because I was

diagnosed with low t. It was not apparent at the time what was causing my low T,

whether I was primary or secondary. So I went to my primary care. He said to

start using androgel.

> > I wanted a second opinion so he referred me to an endocrinologist. I wont

mention any names. The endo did her blood work, tested my pituitary gland and at

that time was total test was 164. So she prescribed androgel, which i started to

use at 5g a day. She didnt tell me that androgel can amplify sleep apnea or can

even cause choking as I sleep. Regardless, I was on the gel for over a month,

maybe 7 weeks. I didnt feel any different and my t levels went to 380..still at

the cut off point for a 31 yr old male.

> >

> > So I sat back and thought and thought, over and over. I had found about Dr.

Overbeck and Hardasnails from this forum. They werent covered by my insurance

and I was debating whether or not to see them because it can be costly..

> > So I bit the bullett and went to see them. Because, fortunately I was in the

financial situation to afford pay for the visits. Afterall, my health is #1.

Without it, I've got nothing!

> >

> > Their approach was completely different. Dr. O and Hard wanted to know WHY

my testerone wasnt not responding the way it should for a relatively healthy 31

yr old male. They had me do a clomid challenge. Well after a week on clomid my

test levels shot up to 630!

> >

> > They were looking at other reasons as to why my test responded well to

clomid but was stopping my body from making test..turns out, I had a severe

allergy to dairy,gluten and wheat! This food allergy was overlooked by TWO

endos.

> > I read about this online later and it says that basically some people are

allergic to certain foods despite never having showed any symptoms of an

allergy. The screwed up thing is that this food allergy was screwing up my

testerone.

> > Not to mention Dr. O and Hard found that I was also anemic! My primary OR

the TWO endos didnt find that because they DIDNT LOOK! they did a half assed

job!

> >

> > I have very low iron and hard suggested that I use an iron supplement which

I use daily and I think it is helping with RLS too!

> >

> > So I went to 2 " in network " Endos and in my opinion they are useless. Really

are.

> >

> > Had I not gone to see Dr. O and Hard, I would have kept eating

dairy,gluten,wheat, kept using androgel and wondering why my test levels would

have never probably reached the 5/600 level that is a good starting point.

> >

> > Its scary to see that some medical doctors realy dont care about how YOU are

feeling that dont have to live with it like YOU do. they get a kickback when

they prescribe androgel.

> >

> > After having discovered my food allergy, while the repair process is still

in the works, dr o and hard are confident they found the problem. I feel better

as well. Its going to take time, but I sense I feel better overall..

> >

> > If you live in the philadelphia are and want to see two guys that KNOW what

to look for and dont just prescribe hrt, YOU NEED TO GO SEE DR.O and HARD!

> >

> > Especialy Hard. This guy knows his shit. I dont know what his education is

exactly, but he knows more about hormones than the endos I went to see.

> >

> > the point here being that its obvious what doctors care and what doctors

care about the $$ and nothng more. I ran into 2 or 3 that were after the $$ and

nothing else..it was obvious!

> >

> > Im glad I found Dr. O and Hard on here. They are worth EVERY DIME tenfold!

> >

> > oh and one other KEY thing to keep in mind..

> >

> > Hard went over my bloodwork with me. Not that I understood it all, but he

walked me through every line trying to explain to me how it was all tied

together. do I understand it all, heck no, but he took the time to explain what

his findings were and where he and dr. o want to go next.

> > Sitting down with me and talking to me about what you found and where I am

vs where i need to be and the gameplan SEPERATES these two gentlemen from other

clueless endos!

> >

> > You wont find a more knowledgeable team in the Philadelphia area that Dr.

Overbeck and Hard as nails.

> >

> > It also helped that hard went through this himself..he knew what to look

for..

> >

> > GO SEE DR.O and hard as nails..they know their stuff . They try to find the

break in your chain, not patch it like endos....

> > Their approach makes the most sense..

> >

> > Key difference, Dr. O and Hard LISTENED to how I was feeling and wanted to

know why.. the Endos didnt care. Take androgel and be on your way...it amazes me

that medical doctors that specialize in the endocrine system dont really

understand how it works apparently..

> >

> > I wonder if some of these endos BUY their medical license..seriously.. talk

about a bad taste in my mouth..

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: Kyrios Ouranos <okyrios@>

> >

> > Sent: Wed, March 10, 2010 5:00:09 PM

> > Subject: Not all endos and uros are bad

> >

> > I'm a bit blown away. I went to a uro originally for ED issues and

discovered the low T. He started me on Androgel, but was quite willing and

cooperative when I told him I wanted to go on injections. He had not tested for

estradiol when I first went to him but readily agreed to the test. When

estradiol skyrocketed he told me that he was not really up on aromatase

inhibitors but was willing to let me try Armidex. He came to our appointment

with notes and research, talked to me in detail about things to watch for, and

handed me a script. He balked at HCG implementation, saying he was not

" comfortable " with prescribing it for me and it would be best if I talked to an

endo about it.

> >

> > Well, my appt. with the endo was today. Actually he treats my diabetes

usually. But I had told his nurse a few days ago that I was taking Arimidex and

he seemed fine with it. I went to today's appointment armed with Dr. Crisler's

articles. I never even needed them. I asked him if he was averse to prescribing

HCG and he said absolutely not, that he thought it was a good idea and would be

helpful, and (since he knew I hung out here) asked if there was a particular

protocol I wanted to follow.

> >

> > I was floored. I've heard so many men here speak of the problems that they

have getting doctors to listen to them and accept the validity of these

treatments. I was prepared to do battle or find new doctors. Thank goodness I

seem to have lucked out with my choices. Between that and the collective wisdom

of this group, I'm feeling like I have a fighting chance!

> >

> > By the way, is any particular " brand " or type of HCG more recommended than

another?

> >

March 16, 2010

Yes, I am also hypothyroid and am on synthroid 100mcg. I also have a 8mm nodule

on the thyroid but we don't know what it is because it is too small to biopsy.

Joe

> > >

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > > My name is Phil. I joined this forum several months ago because I was

diagnosed with low t. It was not apparent at the time what was causing my low T,

whether I was primary or secondary. So I went to my primary care. He said to

start using androgel.

> > > I wanted a second opinion so he referred me to an endocrinologist. I wont

mention any names. The endo did her blood work, tested my pituitary gland and at

that time was total test was 164. So she prescribed androgel, which i started to

use at 5g a day. She didnt tell me that androgel can amplify sleep apnea or can

even cause choking as I sleep. Regardless, I was on the gel for over a month,

maybe 7 weeks. I didnt feel any different and my t levels went to 380..still at

the cut off point for a 31 yr old male.

> > >

> > > So I sat back and thought and thought, over and over. I had found about

Dr. Overbeck and Hardasnails from this forum. They werent covered by my

insurance and I was debating whether or not to see them because it can be

costly..

> > > So I bit the bullett and went to see them. Because, fortunately I was in

the financial situation to afford pay for the visits. Afterall, my health is #1.

Without it, I've got nothing!

> > >

> > > Their approach was completely different. Dr. O and Hard wanted to know WHY

my testerone wasnt not responding the way it should for a relatively healthy 31

yr old male. They had me do a clomid challenge. Well after a week on clomid my

test levels shot up to 630!

> > >

> > > They were looking at other reasons as to why my test responded well to

clomid but was stopping my body from making test..turns out, I had a severe

allergy to dairy,gluten and wheat! This food allergy was overlooked by TWO

endos.

> > > I read about this online later and it says that basically some people are

allergic to certain foods despite never having showed any symptoms of an

allergy. The screwed up thing is that this food allergy was screwing up my

testerone.

> > > Not to mention Dr. O and Hard found that I was also anemic! My primary OR

the TWO endos didnt find that because they DIDNT LOOK! they did a half assed

job!

> > >

> > > I have very low iron and hard suggested that I use an iron supplement

which I use daily and I think it is helping with RLS too!

> > >

> > > So I went to 2 " in network " Endos and in my opinion they are useless.

Really are.

> > >

> > > Had I not gone to see Dr. O and Hard, I would have kept eating

dairy,gluten,wheat, kept using androgel and wondering why my test levels would

have never probably reached the 5/600 level that is a good starting point.

> > >

> > > Its scary to see that some medical doctors realy dont care about how YOU

are feeling that dont have to live with it like YOU do. they get a kickback when

they prescribe androgel.

> > >

> > > After having discovered my food allergy, while the repair process is still

in the works, dr o and hard are confident they found the problem. I feel better

as well. Its going to take time, but I sense I feel better overall..

> > >

> > > If you live in the philadelphia are and want to see two guys that KNOW

what to look for and dont just prescribe hrt, YOU NEED TO GO SEE DR.O and HARD!

> > >

> > > Especialy Hard. This guy knows his shit. I dont know what his education is

exactly, but he knows more about hormones than the endos I went to see.

> > >

> > > the point here being that its obvious what doctors care and what doctors

care about the $$ and nothng more. I ran into 2 or 3 that were after the $$ and

nothing else..it was obvious!

> > >

> > > Im glad I found Dr. O and Hard on here. They are worth EVERY DIME tenfold!

> > >

> > > oh and one other KEY thing to keep in mind..

> > >

> > > Hard went over my bloodwork with me. Not that I understood it all, but he

walked me through every line trying to explain to me how it was all tied

together. do I understand it all, heck no, but he took the time to explain what

his findings were and where he and dr. o want to go next.

> > > Sitting down with me and talking to me about what you found and where I am

vs where i need to be and the gameplan SEPERATES these two gentlemen from other

clueless endos!

> > >

> > > You wont find a more knowledgeable team in the Philadelphia area that Dr.

Overbeck and Hard as nails.

> > >

> > > It also helped that hard went through this himself..he knew what to look

for..

> > >

> > > GO SEE DR.O and hard as nails..they know their stuff . They try to find

the break in your chain, not patch it like endos....

> > > Their approach makes the most sense..

> > >

> > > Key difference, Dr. O and Hard LISTENED to how I was feeling and wanted to

know why.. the Endos didnt care. Take androgel and be on your way...it amazes me

that medical doctors that specialize in the endocrine system dont really

understand how it works apparently..

> > >

> > > I wonder if some of these endos BUY their medical license..seriously..

talk about a bad taste in my mouth..

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > From: Kyrios Ouranos <okyrios@>

> > >

> > > Sent: Wed, March 10, 2010 5:00:09 PM

> > > Subject: Not all endos and uros are bad

> > >

> > > I'm a bit blown away. I went to a uro originally for ED issues and