Frustrated

[Guest guest]

Hi Connie,

How long is the cleanse to last?

I am doing Nature's biotics which are supposed to cleanse and kill the candida

at the same time.I don't know if 3lac does that or not.

As far as eating, I do eat mainly meat and veg b/c that's all I can handle. Can

you handle sprouted bread , almond butter ? If so, that's a nice snack. Or

roasted almonds with coconut oil. Can you tolerate fruit or yogurt (I can't).

frustrated

Hi I found out recently that I have candida. I'm not taking anything for it

at this time as I'm doing a colon clease first. What might help me out in some

way as I do this cleanse? Any ideas? Also, as far as eating goes, I feel so

frustrated. I'm gagging on veggies as I'm getting sick of them. I'm not a big

meat eater, but do eat it. What do you people eat? Today is my birthday and I

want to eat something sweet, but I won't. I haven't in almost two months,

except for a bite here and there of something sweet my kids may be eating. I

would appreciate any help. I don't want to go through another depression. I

read the posts daily but don't understand half of the things you all are talking

about. All the products you are using etc...thanks for any help. Blessings,

Connie from California

[Guest guest]

Would something made with stevia for sweetness be bad for a candida

diet?

> Hi I found out recently that I have candida. I'm not taking

anything for it at this time as I'm doing a colon clease first. What

might help me out in some way as I do this cleanse? Any ideas?

Also, as far as eating goes, I feel so frustrated. I'm gagging on

veggies as I'm getting sick of them. I'm not a big meat eater, but

do eat it. What do you people eat? Today is my birthday and I want

to eat something sweet, but I won't. I haven't in almost two months,

except for a bite here and there of something sweet my kids may be

eating. I would appreciate any help. I don't want to go through

another depression. I read the posts daily but don't understand half

of the things you all are talking about. All the products you are

using etc...thanks for any help. Blessings, Connie from California

>

>

[Guest guest]

Oh and I forgot to say...HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!

And many more...

> Hi I found out recently that I have candida. I'm not taking

anything for it at this time as I'm doing a colon clease first. What

might help me out in some way as I do this cleanse? Any ideas?

Also, as far as eating goes, I feel so frustrated. I'm gagging on

veggies as I'm getting sick of them. I'm not a big meat eater, but

do eat it. What do you people eat? Today is my birthday and I want

to eat something sweet, but I won't. I haven't in almost two months,

except for a bite here and there of something sweet my kids may be

eating. I would appreciate any help. I don't want to go through

another depression. I read the posts daily but don't understand half

of the things you all are talking about. All the products you are

using etc...thanks for any help. Blessings, Connie from California

>

>

[Guest guest]

HI Connie,

Nature's biotics is MLM so I don't think you can buy in stores. (I don't sell

it).

Is Dr. Schulze's cleanse helping you ? I think I remember you saying you were

constipated.

frustrated

Hi I found out recently that I have candida. I'm not taking anything for it

at this time as I'm doing a colon clease first. What might help me out in

some way as I do this cleanse? Any ideas? Also, as far as eating goes, I

feel so frustrated. I'm gagging on veggies as I'm getting sick of them. I'm

not a big meat eater, but do eat it. What do you people eat? Today is my

birthday and I want to eat something sweet, but I won't. I haven't in almost

two months, except for a bite here and there of something sweet my kids may

be eating. I would appreciate any help. I don't want to go through another

depression. I read the posts daily but don't understand half of the things

you all are talking about. All the products you are using etc...thanks for

any help. Blessings, Connie from California

[Guest guest]

Hi , where do you get that nature's biotics? I'm doing Dr. Shultz

formula one and two. Was going to go out and get my second jar today, which

should take about two weeks to do. Would appreciate if you could get back

to me before I head out to buy it. I feel so ignorant as to all the things

that are shared on this bored. I do have some acidop. in the refridgerator,

but am not sure when or how to take it for the candida. Thanks so much.

Connie

-- Re: frustrated

Hi Connie,

How long is the cleanse to last?

I am doing Nature's biotics which are supposed to cleanse and kill the

candida at the same time.I don't know if 3lac does that or not.

As far as eating, I do eat mainly meat and veg b/c that's all I can handle.

Can you handle sprouted bread , almond butter ? If so, that's a nice snack.

Or roasted almonds with coconut oil. Can you tolerate fruit or yogurt (I can

t).

frustrated

Hi I found out recently that I have candida. I'm not taking anything for it

at this time as I'm doing a colon clease first. What might help me out in

some way as I do this cleanse? Any ideas? Also, as far as eating goes, I

feel so frustrated. I'm gagging on veggies as I'm getting sick of them. I'm

not a big meat eater, but do eat it. What do you people eat? Today is my

birthday and I want to eat something sweet, but I won't. I haven't in almost

two months, except for a bite here and there of something sweet my kids may

be eating. I would appreciate any help. I don't want to go through another

depression. I read the posts daily but don't understand half of the things

you all are talking about. All the products you are using etc...thanks for

any help. Blessings, Connie from California

[Guest guest]

Thanks so much for the birthday wishes. 48 years old today and I want to

be healthy!!! Blessings, Connie p.s. my goal for today is to clean the

house a bit instead of sleeping as I have done these past two days. The

California heat doesn't help, nor living in the desert. Blessings, Connie

-- Re: frustrated

Oh and I forgot to say...HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!

And many more...

> Hi I found out recently that I have candida. I'm not taking

anything for it at this time as I'm doing a colon clease first. What

might help me out in some way as I do this cleanse? Any ideas?

Also, as far as eating goes, I feel so frustrated. I'm gagging on

veggies as I'm getting sick of them. I'm not a big meat eater, but

do eat it. What do you people eat? Today is my birthday and I want

to eat something sweet, but I won't. I haven't in almost two months,

except for a bite here and there of something sweet my kids may be

eating. I would appreciate any help. I don't want to go through

another depression. I read the posts daily but don't understand half

of the things you all are talking about. All the products you are

using etc...thanks for any help. Blessings, Connie from California

>

>

[Guest guest]

I suppose it depends what you add to the stevia. I do have some. However I

took a few nibbles off the tops of my sons muffins and now I feel ok.

However that is all I've eaten and it surely didn't fill me up. My face is

really tingling today, around my mouth and eyes. Yesterday I was dizzy for

the first time in over a month, so I must not be eating as healthy as need

be. Connie

-- Re: frustrated

Would something made with stevia for sweetness be bad for a candida

diet?

> Hi I found out recently that I have candida. I'm not taking

anything for it at this time as I'm doing a colon clease first. What

might help me out in some way as I do this cleanse? Any ideas?

Also, as far as eating goes, I feel so frustrated. I'm gagging on

veggies as I'm getting sick of them. I'm not a big meat eater, but

do eat it. What do you people eat? Today is my birthday and I want

to eat something sweet, but I won't. I haven't in almost two months,

except for a bite here and there of something sweet my kids may be

eating. I would appreciate any help. I don't want to go through

another depression. I read the posts daily but don't understand half

of the things you all are talking about. All the products you are

using etc...thanks for any help. Blessings, Connie from California

>

>

[Guest guest]

COnnie:

MLM is multi-level marketing, meanign you have to find someone that sells

Nature's biotics. They are all over the 'net.

frustrated

Hi I found out recently that I have candida. I'm not taking anything for it

at this time as I'm doing a colon clease first. What might help me out in

some way as I do this cleanse? Any ideas? Also, as far as eating goes, I

feel so frustrated. I'm gagging on veggies as I'm getting sick of them. I'm

not a big meat eater, but do eat it. What do you people eat? Today is my

birthday and I want to eat something sweet, but I won't. I haven't in almost

two months, except for a bite here and there of something sweet my kids may

be eating. I would appreciate any help. I don't want to go through another

depression. I read the posts daily but don't understand half of the things

you all are talking about. All the products you are using etc...thanks for

any help. Blessings, Connie from California

[Guest guest]

Hi Where would I get MLM? Yes Dr. Shultze's is very good. It's just hard

to remember to take it 5 times a day. Also, I take it with a bit of fruit

juice and water which may not be the best. Not constipated now. My

chiropractor said my colon is like a freeway that has been backed up for 5

years or so. Now the first cars are beginning to move and soon the rest

will come along. It amazes me how much can be in our bodies. We truly are

full of poo!!! LOL Blessings, Connie

-- Re: frustrated

HI Connie,

Nature's biotics is MLM so I don't think you can buy in stores. (I don't

sell it).

Is Dr. Schulze's cleanse helping you ? I think I remember you saying you

were constipated.

frustrated

Hi I found out recently that I have candida. I'm not taking anything for it

at this time as I'm doing a colon clease first. What might help me out in

some way as I do this cleanse? Any ideas? Also, as far as eating goes, I

feel so frustrated. I'm gagging on veggies as I'm getting sick of them. I'm

not a big meat eater, but do eat it. What do you people eat? Today is my

birthday and I want to eat something sweet, but I won't. I haven't in almost

two months, except for a bite here and there of something sweet my kids may

be eating. I would appreciate any help. I don't want to go through another

depression. I read the posts daily but don't understand half of the things

you all are talking about. All the products you are using etc...thanks for

any help. Blessings, Connie from California

[Guest guest]

Connie,

Get a hold of the book, No More Heartburn, by Sherry A. , M.D. The title

is deceptive. There is a lot about candida and leaky gut and information on

healing the gut, as well as detoxifying measures. Pick up any book by Sherry

. As far as I'm concerned, she's tops.

After a week or so of the diet, it's probably safe to jump right in

w/non-prescription and prescription medications (e.g. Nystatin). You can

continue w/your bowel cleanse. In addition, you can do daily detoxifying coffee

enemas (which Sherry recommends - also found in nursing textbooks). Take

probiotics twice daily on an empty stomach.

Here are some food ideas. For treats, spread Lundberg Rice cakes (my favorite

brand ) w/almond butter. Delicious! Dry roast almonds and nibble on them for a

snack. (Place raw almonds in a roasting pan and roast in the oven at 350 degrees

for five minutes. Store them in the refrigerator.

Poach Alaskan salmon in extra virgin olive oil, sea salt and fresh dill. Then

break up in pcs and mix w/sauteed onion and celery. Stuff into half of an

avocado.

You can make fish cakes: Poach a white fish in olive oil, salt and garlic. Then

mix w/sauteed onion, celery and cooked rice. Shape into balls. Coat w/corn meal

and pan fry. The addition of oil to your diet will help to satisfy you.

Roasted vegetables: Cut any of the following into bite-size pieces: jerusalem

artichokes (aka sunchokes - which have inulin, a prebiotic which has been talked

about here), yams/sweet potatoes, rutabagas, parsnips, onions, winter squash.

Place them in a single layer in the bottom of a roasting pan. Drizzle w/olive

oil and sprinkle w/salt (and pepper, if desired). Roast in hot oven (~400

degrees or so) for about 45 minutes or until the edges are browned. These are

very good and provide a sweet taste, plus the addition of oil.

For a real treat, roast artichoke hearts this way too. (The kind packed in

water, not marinated). Combine w/pasta that has been sauteed in olive oil, salt

and garlic and diced fresh tomato. You can also add shrimp, scallops or

crabmeat. This made a hit w/my in-laws. My FIL had four helpings.

It also helps to eat a raw salad at the end of a meal. This may help to dampen

the craving for sweets.

Hope this helps,

Maeve

Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 06:28:16 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)

From: " Connie Green " <conniefarley@...>

Subject: frustrated

Hi I found out recently that I have candida. I'm not taking anything for it at

this time as I'm doing a colon clease first. What might help me out in some way

as I do this cleanse? Any ideas? Also, as far as eating goes, I feel so

frustrated. I'm gagging on veggies as I'm getting sick of them. I'm not a big

meat eater, but do eat it. What do you people eat? Today is my birthday and I

want to eat something sweet, but I won't. I haven't in almost two months,

except for a bite here and there of something sweet my kids may be eating. I

would appreciate any help. I don't want to go through another depression. I

read the posts daily but don't understand half of the things you all are talking

about. All the products you are using etc...thanks for any help. Blessings,

Connie from California

[Guest guest]

Maeve,

Thank you for posting those recipes. I think I will try the

salmon/avocado this week.

[Guest guest]

Probiotics restore bowel pH. Candida dosen't survive the correct (acid)

pH in the bowel. In addition, probiotics produce toxins that don't affect

you but do effect the " bad " bacteria and yeasts.

So the short answer is yes, take the lactobacillus.

But probiotics by themselves don't work exceedingly well. A longer answer

is also eliminate sugar, starch alcohol from all sources and take inulin

or indigestible starch, or some other fermentable fiber, and eat foods

that contain same.

Duncan Crow

> I do have some acidop. in the refridgerator,

> but am not sure when or how to take it for the candida. Thanks so much.

> Connie

[Guest guest]

First thanks Chriss for responding...As far as my diet I am eating

smaller portions and making sure that I have at least a protien,

carb, and vegtable at each meal, which doesn't always happen. I'm

also drinking approximately 6-7 glasses of water a day. I'm about

20 pounds overweight. I'm not obese or what many would even call

fat but it's not a healthy weight for me. As for a positive I know

that when I started my medication initially it took several weeks

and I was feeling much better. So maybe I just need to keep up what

I'm doing and give the medicine a chance to really get in my system

at the new dose. My doctor will do another panel in April. Thanks f

for the info. and thanks for letting me know that I'm not the only

one who was feeling just a little nuts.

> Hi Tammi.

>

> Nice to have you here! and not nice to have you here. Too bad

we

> all can't be talking about something positive. I'm always a

little sad

> when someone new joins. Just thinking that there is one more

person

> that has to deal with this unpleasantness.

>

> Anyway, I did have the same reaction to medication initially.

> I was on Armour though.

> I am on synthroid now. Sometimes when treatment begins, and

> your body suddenly has another source of hormone, your own

> thyroid gland will slow down sensing the increase.

> Because your body's main function is to " conserve energy " .

> So the less out-put needed, the less out-put given.

>

> My TSH results were actually not too bad, but my T4 and T3

> were.

> So, I simply do not make enough on my own for my body to

> what it needs to.

> It took a few months for me to really level out, and now I am on

> 100mcg. I'm not sure what the mg conversion is?

> It has been about six months now and I have not required an

increase

> yet.

>

> As far as your diet goes...what particularly are you doing

different?

> Are you just moderately overweight? if you don't mind my asking...

>

> Chriss.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Have pain in my lower back of course, but also in my butt which goes down both

legs. I need some help, some suggestions - ANYTHING. <

Yes, you do need a neurosurgeon's consult. What is the Labor Commission doing

for you? I would suggest getting an attorney that specializes in workers comp

cases.

Viv in GA

[Guest guest]

Sleepless in utah ?. only joking. well as many times most of us have said

back and forth, your case is a mirror image as well. ditto case if you

will, in other words your just like us. hmmm welcome to our world.

most of us are going threw the same thing so when i say don't feel

isolated i think i speak for alot of us out here. im having the identical

pain as you and the one and only and i stress that ( only) the only thing

i have found is " ULTRAM & Ibuprofen ) but thats me ok on meds i can only

speak for my self however i have tried soooo many thing i was beginning

to feel some what like a ginni pig so i changed all that and tried one of

my mother-in-law's meds and lo and behold it worked i was truly amazed

but never the less it worked so i started going to her Dr. and i took my

MRI and all my records and he looked at me and said i have 1 ? for you,

he says " how do you get up?. and so i showed him. so he asked me get

this HE ask me how does ultram do for you so i told him the truth and his

reply was Larry you can have all the ultram you want and need!!!. so now

he asks me when i see him hows my ultram do i need more so i tell him no

not yet but i do at times . but my point is hes not afraid to prescribe

it for me. so i truly like this Dr and theres not a whole lot of Dr's out

here worth a crap. but like every one out here we all have to search for

a good Dr. and i mean all of us!!!. so i take ULTRAM & Ibprofen and as i

mentioned it works for me and at the same time everyone out here takes

various many kinds but thats my habit just joking thats my med.... so i

hope i have helped you a little any way. good luck to you and by the way

(((( WELCOME )))))) to the group nice to have you aboard.. Larry

On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 08:55:25 -0000 " " <sugarbutt1966@...>

writes:

> Hello all I am new, in fact tonight is the first night of reading the

>

> messages. I have a bilateral pars defect with a grade II

> spondylolysis. In April my wonderful spine doc took xrays (mind you

>

> this happened in 99 from a accident) which shows a 3 mm displacement

>

> at L5-S1. Physical therapy didnt work, I have pumped my poor body

> with so much medication over the past 5 yrs that it dont help

> either.

> Take Vioxx, Ultracet and Ambien, but as you can see from my comment

>

> it just dont work. Now the plot thinkens. This was an industrial

> accident (auto) was on the job. Now the wonderful (not) people at

> the insurance company now tell me that they are not going to cover

> any additonal treatments, meds etc. The only problem is that my Dr

>

> wants me to have another MRI and a surgical consult. I have since

> filed a complaint and open a cast with my Labor Commission here

> because they have no right to deny this. They have all my med.

> records which all say the same. In Dec 2003 I was hanging Xmas

> lights and my dog had gotten tangled up in them, and yes I did take

> a

> fall from the ladder. Now went to the ER the next day which they

> took xrays and there was basically no change. But the case worker

> at

> the insurance company told me that because I didnt tell him about

> this that I was lying to him and therefore, well you rest. I dont

> sleep and if I do it is at 5, 6 am and only for a few hrs. Have

> pain

> in my lower back of course, but also in my butt which goes down both

>

> legs. I need some help, some suggestions - ANYTHING.

>

> Sleepless and in pain in Utah

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello.Welcome to the group. Too bad that you have to be here, but we all suffer

from some kind of spinal injury or disease. I suffer from degenerative disk

disease.i had a ruptured disk in L 5 S 1. Suvere pain from butt down leg. Tried

steriods and phisical therapy, nothing helped. The pain was so bad running down

my leg that I would have to drag it. They said my only option was to have

surgery. Laminectomy. They said that the surgery was mainly to get the disk off

the nerve that was causing leg pain. As far as the back feeling better, it is

not gauranteed to stop the pain. That was in1991. Well in 1996 I had another

ruputred disk only this time the pain was running down my right leg. They also

said I had d.d.d. My only option was another surgery. this time was done at a

diferent ortho clinic in a different state. They left me bone to bone. They

never even did bone fussion or anything to seperate my vertebres. During both

times, the pain down my leggs were relieved but still suffered

from constant back pain. Now that is my experience with L5 S1. I'm now on ssi

because my condition has gotten worse. In jan. of this year I had two rupture

in my neck. More surgery. Now it all depends on the person as to what is the

better alternative. Epiderals in the spine work for some people. My dad has 2

ruptured disk in his lower spine, not sure which disk they involve, but he chose

not to have the surgery after my experience. He got the epideral and it works

for him. I would suggest trying the epideral, before you decide the have back

surgery. Think about it and ask question.

Alisa

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Ultram did work for a while, but like alot of you your body builds up

a tolerance Thanks for the warm welcome. I will at this time take

into consideration all the responses. I have turned it over to Labor

Commission to proceed with a complaint and a hearing. I am also

looking into a lawyer.

As like many of you I am just frustrated. I would just like a real

good nights sleep Ultracet is Ultram and tylenol, which is what I

am taking right now. A nice hammer I think would do the trick (just

kidding) but at times sounds good.

> Sleepless in utah ?. only joking. well as many times most of us

have said

> back and forth, your case is a mirror image as well. ditto case if

you

> will, in other words your just like us. hmmm welcome to our world.

> most of us are going threw the same thing so when i say don't

feel

> isolated i think i speak for alot of us out here. im having the

identical

> pain as you and the one and only and i stress that ( only) the only

thing

> i have found is " ULTRAM & Ibuprofen ) but thats me ok on meds i

can only

> speak for my self however i have tried soooo many thing i was

beginning

> to feel some what like a ginni pig so i changed all that and tried

one of

> my mother-in-law's meds and lo and behold it worked i was truly

amazed

> but never the less it worked so i started going to her Dr. and i

took my

> MRI and all my records and he looked at me and said i have 1 ? for

you,

> he says " how do you get up?. and so i showed him. so he asked me

get

> this HE ask me how does ultram do for you so i told him the truth

and his

> reply was Larry you can have all the ultram you want and need!!!.

so now

> he asks me when i see him hows my ultram do i need more so i tell

him no

> not yet but i do at times . but my point is hes not afraid to

prescribe

> it for me. so i truly like this Dr and theres not a whole lot of

Dr's out

> here worth a crap. but like every one out here we all have to

search for

> a good Dr. and i mean all of us!!!. so i take ULTRAM & Ibprofen

and as i

> mentioned it works for me and at the same time everyone out here

takes

> various many kinds but thats my habit just joking thats my med....

so i

> hope i have helped you a little any way. good luck to you and by

the way

> (((( WELCOME )))))) to the group nice to have you aboard.. Larry

>

>

> On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 08:55:25 -0000 " " <sugarbutt1966@y...>

> writes:

> > Hello all I am new, in fact tonight is the first night of reading

the

> >

> > messages. I have a bilateral pars defect with a grade II

> > spondylolysis. In April my wonderful spine doc took xrays (mind

you

> >

> > this happened in 99 from a accident) which shows a 3 mm

displacement

> >

> > at L5-S1. Physical therapy didnt work, I have pumped my poor

body

> > with so much medication over the past 5 yrs that it dont help

> > either.

> > Take Vioxx, Ultracet and Ambien, but as you can see from my

comment

> >

> > it just dont work. Now the plot thinkens. This was an

industrial

> > accident (auto) was on the job. Now the wonderful (not) people

at

> > the insurance company now tell me that they are not going to

cover

> > any additonal treatments, meds etc. The only problem is that my

Dr

> >

> > wants me to have another MRI and a surgical consult. I have

since

> > filed a complaint and open a cast with my Labor Commission here

> > because they have no right to deny this. They have all my med.

> > records which all say the same. In Dec 2003 I was hanging Xmas

> > lights and my dog had gotten tangled up in them, and yes I did

take

> > a

> > fall from the ladder. Now went to the ER the next day which they

> > took xrays and there was basically no change. But the case

worker

> > at

> > the insurance company told me that because I didnt tell him about

> > this that I was lying to him and therefore, well you rest. I

dont

> > sleep and if I do it is at 5, 6 am and only for a few hrs. Have

> > pain

> > in my lower back of course, but also in my butt which goes down

both

> >

> > legs. I need some help, some suggestions - ANYTHING.

> >

> > Sleepless and in pain in Utah

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Alisa

I recently had surgery for Spondy - I suffered for about 6 years with

back pain before - I had a total of nine epidurals (3 rounds) - none

of them really helped. What did help was selective nerve root

blocks, which is also an injection, but to the nerve root of the

suspected problem. It is also used as a diagnostic tool - if it

helps, they pretty much know that is the spot (or at least one of

them) of the problem.

They were done by a radiologist in the hospital, using a CT scan they

would locate the nerve root, insert the needle, put me back in to

check, in and out until the right spot. It wasn't pleasant, used

only a local, and since what they are trying to do is recreate the

pain, it is painfull, but it only lasts for a few minutes. When you

are in misery, they have the right spot. They are the only thing

that ever really helped (other than the surgery, which so far (six

weeks)) has been a huge sucess.

Kris

> Hello.Welcome to the group. Too bad that you have to be here, but

we all suffer from some kind of spinal injury or disease. I suffer

from degenerative disk disease.i had a ruptured disk in L 5 S 1.

Suvere pain from butt down leg. Tried steriods and phisical therapy,

nothing helped. The pain was so bad running down my leg that I would

have to drag it. They said my only option was to have surgery.

Laminectomy. They said that the surgery was mainly to get the disk

off the nerve that was causing leg pain. As far as the back feeling

better, it is not gauranteed to stop the pain. That was in1991. Well

in 1996 I had another ruputred disk only this time the pain was

running down my right leg. They also said I had d.d.d. My only option

was another surgery. this time was done at a diferent ortho clinic in

a different state. They left me bone to bone. They never even did

bone fussion or anything to seperate my vertebres. During both times,

the pain down my leggs were relieved but still suffered

> from constant back pain. Now that is my experience with L5 S1.

I'm now on ssi because my condition has gotten worse. In jan. of

this year I had two rupture in my neck. More surgery. Now it all

depends on the person as to what is the better alternative. Epiderals

in the spine work for some people. My dad has 2 ruptured disk in his

lower spine, not sure which disk they involve, but he chose not to

have the surgery after my experience. He got the epideral and it

works for him. I would suggest trying the epideral, before you decide

the have back surgery. Think about it and ask question.

>

> Alisa

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Quoting alisa price <alisa_price2000@...>:

> Hi Larry rmember me? Alisa? Well I read this response and you were talking

> about a drug called Ultrum. I don't guess I have ever heard of it.

Alisa, I think the reason you may not have heard about it or been able to look

it up is because I think it is spelled Ultram. You should be able to go to

www.rxlist.com and type that in and see what pops out.

Joe

[Guest guest]

Alisa-

If I remember, Ultram is not narcotic, one of the reasons its used is

it is suppose non-addictive. It has helped me at times - I am using

now during the day for pain that isn't bad enough for a vicodin. I

remember it being for moderate - severe pain.

Kris

> Quoting alisa price <alisa_price2000@y...>:

>

> > Hi Larry rmember me? Alisa? Well I read this response and you

were talking

> > about a drug called Ultrum. I don't guess I have ever heard of

it.

>

> Alisa, I think the reason you may not have heard about it or been

able to look

> it up is because I think it is spelled Ultram. You should be able

to go to

> www.rxlist.com and type that in and see what pops out.

>

> Joe

[Guest guest]

HI first time here to glad your getting hing taht works i'm still

looking just change to new dr an indian guy seems i have to get a

foriner my personal dr is indian and he's great

i need some help to

ken in longview tz

> Sleepless in utah ?. only joking. well as many times most of us

have said

> back and forth, your case is a mirror image as well. ditto case

if you

> will, in other words your just like us. hmmm welcome to our

world.

> most of us are going threw the same thing so when i say

don't feel

> isolated i think i speak for alot of us out here. im having the

identical

> pain as you and the one and only and i stress that ( only) the

only thing

> i have found is " ULTRAM & Ibuprofen ) but thats me ok on meds i

can only

> speak for my self however i have tried soooo many thing i was

beginning

> to feel some what like a ginni pig so i changed all that and tried

one of

> my mother-in-law's meds and lo and behold it worked i was truly

amazed

> but never the less it worked so i started going to her Dr. and i

took my

> MRI and all my records and he looked at me and said i have 1 ? for

you,

> he says " how do you get up?. and so i showed him. so he asked me

get

> this HE ask me how does ultram do for you so i told him the truth

and his

> reply was Larry you can have all the ultram you want and need!!!.

so now

> he asks me when i see him hows my ultram do i need more so i tell

him no

> not yet but i do at times . but my point is hes not afraid to

prescribe

> it for me. so i truly like this Dr and theres not a whole lot of

Dr's out

> here worth a crap. but like every one out here we all have to

search for

> a good Dr. and i mean all of us!!!. so i take ULTRAM & Ibprofen

and as i

> mentioned it works for me and at the same time everyone out here

takes

> various many kinds but thats my habit just joking thats my med....

so i

> hope i have helped you a little any way. good luck to you and by

the way

> (((( WELCOME )))))) to the group nice to have you aboard.. Larry

>

>

> On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 08:55:25 -0000 " " <sugarbutt1966@y...>

> writes:

> > Hello all I am new, in fact tonight is the first night of

reading the

> >

> > messages. I have a bilateral pars defect with a grade II

> > spondylolysis. In April my wonderful spine doc took xrays (mind

you

> >

> > this happened in 99 from a accident) which shows a 3 mm

displacement

> >

> > at L5-S1. Physical therapy didnt work, I have pumped my poor

body

> > with so much medication over the past 5 yrs that it dont help

> > either.

> > Take Vioxx, Ultracet and Ambien, but as you can see from my

comment

> >

> > it just dont work. Now the plot thinkens. This was an

industrial

> > accident (auto) was on the job. Now the wonderful (not) people

at

> > the insurance company now tell me that they are not going to

cover

> > any additonal treatments, meds etc. The only problem is that my

Dr

> >

> > wants me to have another MRI and a surgical consult. I have

since

> > filed a complaint and open a cast with my Labor Commission here

> > because they have no right to deny this. They have all my med.

> > records which all say the same. In Dec 2003 I was hanging Xmas

> > lights and my dog had gotten tangled up in them, and yes I did

take

> > a

> > fall from the ladder. Now went to the ER the next day which

they

> > took xrays and there was basically no change. But the case

worker

> > at

> > the insurance company told me that because I didnt tell him

about

> > this that I was lying to him and therefore, well you rest. I

dont

> > sleep and if I do it is at 5, 6 am and only for a few hrs. Have

> > pain

> > in my lower back of course, but also in my butt which goes down

both

> >

> > legs. I need some help, some suggestions - ANYTHING.

> >

> > Sleepless and in pain in Utah

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Sorry to hear about all that is going on I am fairly new here... However...

Get a Different Dr. and be persistent! Even if you have to fight your ins.

People to get a different Dr.

-----Original Message-----

Hello group! it's been awhile since I checked in, I hope everyone is doing

as well as they can!

You may remember my son Preston...I wrote a while back about the symptoms

of hypothyroidism that I believe he has, and what the Dr. had to say about

it.

He had a TSH of 3.48 but the scale that was used, indicated that he was

within the reference range. And despite several other symptoms his Dr.

decided

not to treat him for it.

He started 7th grade this year, and wanted to be with his buddies on the

football

team. He joined even though he knew his weight would be a problem.

His Dr. did give him an inhaler that has helped him trememdously though.

Anyway, Preston has been knock-kneed since he was little..and we were

always told that it would correct itself over time. (usually by age 7),

Well, it didnt. He is also very flat footed, and now his tendons are so

lax,

that his knees hyperextend and cause him a great deal of discomfort.

I always thought that he walked funny, but the dr told me it would be ok

once

he lost some weight.

After attending his first game last nite, I was so sad for him...the coach

would not

put him in much because he simply cannot run...His feet don't " roll " heel to

toe

like normal children. And when he tries to run, his knees lock backward.

His coach thinks he has something wrong with his ankles too, and encouraged

us

to have him checked out. He doesnt want Preston to get injured.

Aside from these things...preston has continued to gain weight, lose hair

and

his skin is still so dry and tight it looks as if it will split at the

ankle.

I'm just wondering if the structural problems could be related to all of

this?

I was giving preston some synthroid a while back, and it did boost his

energy,

but after he told his dad he was taking it, and that it wasnt coming from

the

Dr., dad insisted that I didn't have the right to give him medication

unsupervised

and told him not to take it.

So, I'm not sure where to turn now...Preston is obviously NOT normal.

but, it seems like I am the only one that wants to face it.

any ideas?

Chriss.

[Guest guest]

Hi Chriss,

My fiancee has a condition called Ehlers-Danlos, and she said your son's

joint/ligament problems sound a lot like that. Trying looking here for info:

www.ehlers-danlos.org and www.hypermobility.org

Essentially it causes joints to be *too* flexible, which can result in easy

dislocation, though there are many other symptoms as well. If your son does

have EDS, then it's very important he doesn't engage in any contact sports.

Not even soccer, and definitely not American football! There's 6 different

types of EDS, each with slightly different symptoms. Often it's hard to pin

down exactly which one someone has. Doctors often miss the diagnosis as it's

quite rare.

Hope that helps,

Ade

frustrated

Hello group! it's been awhile since I checked in, I hope everyone is

doing

as well as they can!

You may remember my son Preston...I wrote a while back about the symptoms

of hypothyroidism that I believe he has, and what the Dr. had to say about

it.

He had a TSH of 3.48 but the scale that was used, indicated that he was

within the reference range. And despite several other symptoms his Dr.

decided

not to treat him for it.

He started 7th grade this year, and wanted to be with his buddies on the

football

team. He joined even though he knew his weight would be a problem.

His Dr. did give him an inhaler that has helped him trememdously though.

Anyway, Preston has been knock-kneed since he was little..and we were

always told that it would correct itself over time. (usually by age 7),

Well, it didnt. He is also very flat footed, and now his tendons are so

lax,

that his knees hyperextend and cause him a great deal of discomfort.

I always thought that he walked funny, but the dr told me it would be ok

once

he lost some weight.

After attending his first game last nite, I was so sad for him...the coach

would not

put him in much because he simply cannot run...His feet don't " roll " heel

to

toe

like normal children. And when he tries to run, his knees lock backward.

His coach thinks he has something wrong with his ankles too, and

encouraged

us

to have him checked out. He doesnt want Preston to get injured.

Aside from these things...preston has continued to gain weight, lose hair

and

his skin is still so dry and tight it looks as if it will split at the

ankle.

I'm just wondering if the structural problems could be related to all of

this?

I was giving preston some synthroid a while back, and it did boost his

energy,

but after he told his dad he was taking it, and that it wasnt coming from

the

Dr., dad insisted that I didn't have the right to give him medication

unsupervised

and told him not to take it.

So, I'm not sure where to turn now...Preston is obviously NOT normal.

but, it seems like I am the only one that wants to face it.

any ideas?

Chriss.

[Guest guest]

But it could still be a simple case of hypoT-- because I have had all

those symptoms as well. I have had the loose tendons and ligaments

and knock-knees since I was a child, as well. I kept spraininng my

ankles by any sudden movement sideways-- and that was always very

painful. Regardless of the cause, I totally agree that contact sports

can cause harm.

As regards the TSH, anything over 3. is now considered hypoT,

according to the Assoc of Am. Endos. I will try to find the site and

send it. Chriss, if your doctor will not listen, I guess you ahve to

keep trying to find one who will. I feel so sorry for your son...

Gail

In hypothyroidism , " Ade Bagley " <adrian@b...> wrote:

> Hi Chriss,

>

> My fiancee has a condition called Ehlers-Danlos, and she said your

son's

> joint/ligament problems sound a lot like that. Trying looking here

for info:

> www.ehlers-danlos.org and www.hypermobility.org

>

> Essentially it causes joints to be *too* flexible, which can result

in easy

> dislocation, though there are many other symptoms as well. If your

son does

> have EDS, then it's very important he doesn't engage in any contact

sports.

> Not even soccer, and definitely not American football! There's 6

different

> types of EDS, each with slightly different symptoms. Often it's

hard to pin

> down exactly which one someone has. Doctors often miss the

diagnosis as it's

> quite rare.

>

> Hope that helps,

>

> Ade

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Gail,

I wonder if there's a connection between the two conditions? Did your

problems stop when the hypoT was treated? If not, you might want to look

into EDS too! Unfortunately it isn't treatable, but it's always important to

know what you have, what precautions to take, etc.

Ade

Re: frustrated

But it could still be a simple case of hypoT-- because I have had all

those symptoms as well. I have had the loose tendons and ligaments

and knock-knees since I was a child, as well. I kept spraininng my

ankles by any sudden movement sideways-- and that was always very

painful. Regardless of the cause, I totally agree that contact sports

can cause harm.

As regards the TSH, anything over 3. is now considered hypoT,

according to the Assoc of Am. Endos. I will try to find the site and

send it. Chriss, if your doctor will not listen, I guess you ahve to

keep trying to find one who will. I feel so sorry for your son...

Gail