Re: Initial T gel results question

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Hi michaelgarin123,

I know what happened to you one can't go on a trial of TRT then stop. Your

brain sees the Testosterone in your blood and stops telling your Testis to make

more so all your left with is what the gel was doing then you stopped. You have

no grantee when you stopped the gel that your Testosterone levels went back to

what they were before you tried the gel. So your worse off. I can't understand

for ths life of me what some of these Dr.'s are thinking.

Now your on Testim if your on the starting dose read the cut and paste I will

put at the end of this reply about how to go on this.

What you felt was your levels going up some men feel this very fast but even if

you stayed on the gel it could have fallen back. It takes time to get leveled

off or tuned up on TRT. First you need to get your Total T levels up into the

upper 1/3 of your labs range for a young man. And you need to keep your

Estradiol levels down to about 20 pg/ml.

Once you do this you start to feel better a little at a time your body starts to

undo any damage done from having low T.

Please go to this link at Dr. 's forum and read Chilln's Hormones 101 it's a

must read for everyone with low Testosterone.

http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15290

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Starting on Androgel or Testim.

Yes this happens a lot you start on a low starting dose 5 grams when your brain

sees the testosterone in your blood even just a little it slows down even stops

sending the LH and FSH message to your testis to make the Testosterone you were

making. So lets say your labs for Total T were 350 you add this dose of gel

your brain sees this and you lose the base level you had before the gel.

Now lets say you need more then 5 grams most do so now all your left with is

what the gel is doing so lets say it's doing 200 so you lost 150.

The reason you feel good is your levels go up that 200 the gel is doing in the

first 2 weeks so your levels go up to 550 in theory. The brain sees this and

you fall back.

Why can this happen it might be how your putting on the gel with Androgel you

need to spread it over your upper arms and shoulders and down your back as far

as you can reach this is half of your dose then do the other side. Just spread

it over the area but don't rub it in.

The other thing is it's not getting through your skin good so you need more. If

you have a thyroid problem your skin will become thicker and gels and creams

don't get through the skin and you need to switch to shots.

I tell men when they go on Gels to retest in 2 weeks because you can end up

feeling worse. Most men just need more gel. Dr.'s that tell men to go on 5

grams of gel and come back in 8 to 12 weeks for labs don't know much about the

use of gels. Dr.'s that treat a lot of men for low T on gels see this happen

and test them again in 2 weeks.

When you go to do labs get up and shower that morning go do your labs and then

put in the gel after your blood test so you don’t spike up your labs. If you

can’t do labs in the morning shower put on the gel but don’t get any gel on

the spot they take the blood from. Do your labs about 6 hrs later.

Call your Dr. and tell him this and that your not feeling good you were but fell

back.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: michaelgarin123 <no_reply >

> Subject: Initial T gel results question

>

> Date: Monday, December 20, 2010, 6:17 PM

> Hi everyone,

>

> Last year I was diagnosed and I took a sample of testim gel

> for three days. At the end of the three days I felt like

> myself again. My personality and energy were back and I felt

> great. It was a night and day difference. I felt like I used

> to years ago before I felt the low T symptoms. My emotional

> presence was back.

>

> For reasons not relevant here I actually did not go on

> therapy right away. I waited for several months. During that

> several months my health is not as good as it was back when

> I took the sample and I did start smoking again where I

> wasn't when I took the sample.

>

> What is dissappointing and confusing is once I went on the

> testim gel therapy for real, it did not have the same effect

> at all. No emotional or energy change other than I do feel

> calmer than I was before. I still can't sleep at night. I

> definitely notice that I recover from excercise better, my

> muscles have gotten bigger. But not to a great degree. Just

> a little better than before.

>

> I have been on it for two months.Will I ever feel those

> benefits again I felt from the sample I used. I want to feel

> normal like that again. Could I not be getting good results

> because I'm smoking and not sleeping? Shouldn't the T

> therapy help me be able to sleep again by helping my body

> make melatonin?

>

> Thanks for any help

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