Question to Phil and the Group regarding Bio Identical Hormones

[Guest guest]

Hello Phil et all..

I'm in the process of starting TRT and wanted to get your advice about Bio

Identical Hormonal Treatment. I was talking to the doctor yesterday from

Homeopathic clinic and he claims that it is less syntetic way of HRT with the

same effectiveness and that it has less impact to shutting down testes which

will allow him to do a further examination for an underlined reason of why 31

year old adult can have have a testosterone level of 251.

Please advice if you have any information or opinion regarding this...

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

They use this word Bio. to sell there service all T is made from some kind of

plant be it yams or I think even soy. There is no such kind of Testosterone

that will not shut down your testis from making it. Your brain sees this in

your blood slows down sending the LH and FSH messages to your Testis and this

stop working. He is trying to sell his service and bull shi*ing you in the

process.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: sabinauzb jaha <rovshan_s@...>

> Subject: Question to Phil and the Group regarding Bio Identical

Hormones

>

> Date: Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 1:19 PM

> Hello Phil et all..

>

> I'm in the process of starting TRT and wanted to get your

> advice about Bio Identical Hormonal Treatment. I was talking

> to the doctor yesterday from Homeopathic clinic and he

> claims that it is less syntetic way of HRT with the same

> effectiveness and that it has less impact to shutting down

> testes which will allow him to do a further examination for

> an underlined reason of why 31 year old adult can have have

> a testosterone level of 251.

>

> Please advice if you have any information or opinion

> regarding this...

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>

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>

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for you reply. So the fact that he is saying that it is less synthetic

that ones Drs prescribe and that he can treat the body as a whole to find an

underlined reason is most likely to be a BS, do I understand you right ?!

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From: philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>

Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 11:31:07 AM

Subject: Re: Question to Phil and the Group regarding Bio

Identical Hormones

 

They use this word Bio. to sell there service all T is made from some kind of

plant be it yams or I think even soy. There is no such kind of Testosterone that

will not shut down your testis from making it. Your brain sees this in your

blood slows down sending the LH and FSH messages to your Testis and this stop

working. He is trying to sell his service and bull shi*ing you in the process.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: sabinauzb jaha <rovshan_s (DOT) com>

> Subject: Question to Phil and the Group regarding Bio Identical

Hormones

>

> Date: Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 1:19 PM

> Hello Phil et all..

>

> I'm in the process of starting TRT and wanted to get your

> advice about Bio Identical Hormonal Treatment. I was talking

> to the doctor yesterday from Homeopathic clinic and he

> claims that it is less syntetic way of HRT with the same

> effectiveness and that it has less impact to shutting down

> testes which will allow him to do a further examination for

> an underlined reason of why 31 year old adult can have have

> a testosterone level of 251.

>

> Please advice if you have any information or opinion

> regarding this...

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>

>      

>

>

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[Guest guest]

From what I know about Testosterone no labs will spend the money trying to make

synthetic testosterone. The cost would be very high and it can't be the same as

what we have in our body you can't patent a natural hormone. Most of the

Testosterone made is from Yams.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > From: sabinauzb jaha <rovshan_s (DOT) com>

> > Subject: Question to Phil and the Group

> regarding Bio Identical Hormones

> >

> > Date: Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 1:19 PM

> > Hello Phil et all..

> >

> > I'm in the process of starting TRT and wanted to get

> your

> > advice about Bio Identical Hormonal Treatment. I was

> talking

> > to the doctor yesterday from Homeopathic clinic and

> he

> > claims that it is less syntetic way of HRT with the

> same

> > effectiveness and that it has less impact to shutting

> down

> > testes which will allow him to do a further

> examination for

> > an underlined reason of why 31 year old adult can have

> have

> > a testosterone level of 251.

> >

> > Please advice if you have any information or opinion

> > regarding this...

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> >

> >

> >      

> >

> >

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> >

> >

[Guest guest]

The " bio " term is as Phil says, a bit misleading. Read this:

In order for prescription testosterone to be considered " bioidentical, " its

chemical structure should match the above structure identically. Even minor

changes in a chemical structure can change the overall shape of a molecule, and

thus can affect its ability to bond with other molecules and perform certain

tasks in the body.

What are " natural " versus " synthetic " hormones?

When reading the latest buzzwords about hormone therapy, the use of the terms

" natural " and " synthetic " can be very confusing. This is because the word

" bioidentical " is often equated to " natural, " while being contrasted with

" synthetic " and " man-made. " These generalizations can be a bit misleading; we'll

examine them more closely in order to better understand the differences between

different testosterone treatments.

First, the term " natural " is often used to mean something that is found in

nature, or something that is not man-made. In the case of testosterone, the

" natural " form of the hormone is produced in the glands of the body; its

chemical structure is shown above in Figure 1.

Next, let's recall that " bioidentical " testosterone is defined as having the

exact same chemical structure as the " natural " testosterone that is created by

the body. In this sense, " bioidentical " testosterone matches " natural "

testosterone on the molecular level.

If there is any chemical modification to the testosterone molecule (such as

adding a side chain or functional group), it no longer fits under the definition

of " bioidentical. " This is what is often referred to as a " synthetic " hormone--

a substance that has been modified in chemical structure from how it would occur

naturally. An example of a " synthetic " hormone would be methyltestosterone

(Figure 2, below), which is the testosterone hormone with an added methyl group

(CH3) at the c-17 alpha position of the molecule (modified area shown within the

red circle).

As illustrated in the case of methyltestosterone, the word " synthetic " is used

to indicate a variation of a hormone created in a laboratory that does not

chemically match the hormone as naturally made by the body.

It is important to note at this point that all forms of prescription

testosterone-- whether they are " bioidentical " or " synthetic " -- are created in

laboratories using chemical means. The vast majority of prescription

testosterone (cream, gel, injectable, patch, subcutaneous, etc.) is derived from

plant sources such as soybeans and yams. Soybeans and yams are natural

substances that are put through a chemical synthesis in a laboratory setting to

derive the end product of testosterone. Both bioidentical and non-bioidentical

testosterone drugs are synthesized in this manner.

In summary, all testosterone drug preparations are man-made, typically from

plant-based sources. " Bioidentical " testosterone exactly matches the chemical

structure of " natural " testosterone, but is made in a laboratory just like other

non-bioidentical forms of testosterone. Even though all forms of testosterone

preparations are synthesized in a laboratory setting, the word " synthetic " is

usually used to refer to non-bioidentical forms of testosterone.

The above from this link:

http://www.ftmguide.org/bioidenticalt.html

Bill

> >

> > > From: sabinauzb jaha <rovshan_s (DOT) com>

> > > Subject: Question to Phil and the Group

> > regarding Bio Identical Hormones

> > >

> > > Date: Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 1:19 PM

> > > Hello Phil et all..

> > >

> > > I'm in the process of starting TRT and wanted to get

> > your

> > > advice about Bio Identical Hormonal Treatment. I was

> > talking

> > > to the doctor yesterday from Homeopathic clinic and

> > he

> > > claims that it is less syntetic way of HRT with the

> > same

> > > effectiveness and that it has less impact to shutting

> > down

> > > testes which will allow him to do a further

> > examination for

> > > an underlined reason of why 31 year old adult can have

> > have

> > > a testosterone level of 251.

> > >

> > > Please advice if you have any information or opinion

> > > regarding this...

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >      

> > >

> > >

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