Re: How Can We Change This?

May 9, 2010

I tend to agree with much of what you say, but I am not personally into

'socialized medicine' at all. Looks like it's coming whether most of us want it

or not though.

A doctor has to make a profit in order to keep his office open, and to pay his

employees.

Also after all of the education,......student loans that have to be paid back,

and the horrible hours that many doctors have, I think they are certainly due

making an above average wage.

I think the pharma companies are huge problems. Constant advertising to the

patient via TV and radio ads are making a nation of hypochondriacs that think

they need all of these drugs. I think advertising to the public should be made

illegal, and leave the prescribing of proper medications to the physician.

BTW,.....paragraphs are your friend! )

That was a tough read.

May 9, 2010

I have give this a lot of thought and feel it's more about the DEA and the use

of Steroids by the body building and sports people. Dr.'s are in fear of being

investigated. Others are Endo's don't know any better.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: markestein333 <markestein333@...>

> Subject: How Can We Change This?

>

> Date: Sunday, May 9, 2010, 12:01 PM

> In my experience its extremely

> difficult to find a physician who is knowledgable about

> testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) and is willing to

> provide proper treatment to men with hypogonadism. Does

> anyone else wonder why its this way? I sure do, and the more

> I try to figure it out, the more disillusioned and cynical I

> get about the medical establishment. A man on another forum

> shared a story of how his (former) doctor " was very much

> against TRT for hypogonadism " ? Really? How does this

> " doctor " think hypogonadism SHOULD be treated then? Does he

> suggest simply waiting for a man to develop osteoporosis,

> depression, heart disease, and type 2 diabetes so a fortune

> can be made on treating each individual symptom of his

> hypogonadism? When you think about it, is there money to be

> made in keeping people healthy? Not so much. There is a

> fortune to be made in treating people with long term chronic

> conditions with patentable drugs, however. The doctor in

> this example knows that a man with hypogonadism can be, in a

> sense, " cured " by initiating TRT to get his hormone profile

> into the optimum range. He also knows that serious health

> risks are assosiated with a man living with untreated

> hypogonadism, but NOT with the TRT itself. He knows ALL

> this, and he is well aware of the misery and suffering that

> a man can experience with untreated hypogonadism,(not just

> his physical health but his relationships suffer, his career

> suffers, his emotional health suffers, etc.). So why are so

> few physicians willing to provide proper TRT? I have spent a

> lot of time trying to figure this out, and I think the #1

> reason by far comes down to money. I'm not sure how, whether

> its pressure by the drug companies or some other mechanism

> at work, but I do think that at least with the drug

> companies and health insurance companies, its ALL about

> money. Since its the physician prescribing the treatment (or

> non-treatment) to the patient, heavy pressure comes down

> upon the physician to do the bidding of the drug companies

> and whatever other entities out there competing for THIER

> procedure, medical diagnostic equipment, etc, to be used.

> Many of the individuals involved in all this DO care about

> the well-being of the patients, but thats far less of a

> priority than profits. I'm just giving my own viewpoint, I'm

> not asking anyone to agree with me. I've worked in the

> medical field in various capacities since 1983, and I think

> that since then, health care has gotten to the point where

> it is almost completely about money. The medical complex

> doesnt make money on healthy people, they make money on sick

> people. I personally believe that health care and the profit

> motive are a bad mix. The goal of curing and healing people,

> keeping them healthy, disease prevention and health

> promotion are all in conflict with the medical complex's

> goal of making profits. Money and profits are much more

> important to the decision-makers than peoples health.

> Providing men with proper TRT and TRT monitoring is not at

> all complicated. It's not a question of ignorance on the

> part of physicians, its a question of what motivations and

> incentives are in place here.

> Any other opinions or viewpoints out there?

>

> ------------------------------------

>

May 9, 2010

As a thyroid patient I can tell you first hand there are few doctors who

understand this important gland either (or its sister gland the adrenals); they

are not willing to prescribe the needed medication (T3) in meaningful

quantities, prefer instead to go with big pharma and it's synthetic T4--what

about people who don't convert that synthetic drug into its useable form (T3)?

We are lost in the dust of those doctors who refuse to educate

themselves...relying on what they *learned* from big pharma as medical

students..in my view, many lack the forward thinking/ curiosity of symptoms or

the drive to really help patients; could it be they forgot why they went to med

school in the drive to simply make a living (as they deserve to do and it's hard

to do with big insurance)?--many have simply become insurance automatons...5-6

minutes per patient simply does not beget understanding of complexities of

symptoms---yet, even the bio-hrt guys are in danger from their own profession

which seems to look down on *outside the box* thinking...witness the story of

doctors in the UK losing their licenses for daring to prescribe dessicated

thyroid (which has been around for 110 years.. before the lab tests doctors now

worship were even invented)---or question the efficacy of certain test

results...

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/2010/04/29/the-shackling-and-gagging-of-dr-\

sarah-myhill-of-the-uk/

Sadly, and I have been in healthcare 30 years--it is the future in the USA with

obamacare....we are best served by supporting those physicians, such as post

here and those working cash only practices..they will be our only hope in the

future once government runs the insurance companies out of business to erect

their *socialized medicine, single payer system*

El

>

> In my experience its extremely difficult to find a physician who is

knowledgable about testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) and is willing to

provide proper treatment to men with hypogonadism. Does anyone else wonder why

its this way? I sure do, and the more I try to figure it out, the more

disillusioned and cynical I get about the medical establishment. A man on

another forum shared a story of how his (former) doctor " was very much against

TRT for hypogonadism " ? Really? How does this " doctor " think hypogonadism SHOULD

be treated then? Does he suggest simply waiting for a man to develop

osteoporosis, depression, heart disease, and type 2 diabetes so a fortune can be

made on treating each individual symptom of his hypogonadism? When you think

about it, is there money to be made in keeping people healthy? Not so much.

There is a fortune to be made in treating people with long term chronic

conditions with patentable drugs, however. The doctor in this example knows that

a man with hypogonadism can be, in a sense, " cured " by initiating TRT to get his

hormone profile into the optimum range. He also knows that serious health risks

are assosiated with a man living with untreated hypogonadism, but NOT with the

TRT itself. He knows ALL this, and he is well aware of the misery and suffering

that a man can experience with untreated hypogonadism,(not just his physical

health but his relationships suffer, his career suffers, his emotional health

suffers, etc.). So why are so few physicians willing to provide proper TRT? I

have spent a lot of time trying to figure this out, and I think the #1 reason by

far comes down to money. I'm not sure how, whether its pressure by the drug

companies or some other mechanism at work, but I do think that at least with the

drug companies and health insurance companies, its ALL about money. Since its

the physician prescribing the treatment (or non-treatment) to the patient, heavy

pressure comes down upon the physician to do the bidding of the drug companies

and whatever other entities out there competing for THIER procedure, medical

diagnostic equipment, etc, to be used. Many of the individuals involved in all

this DO care about the well-being of the patients, but thats far less of a

priority than profits. I'm just giving my own viewpoint, I'm not asking anyone

to agree with me. I've worked in the medical field in various capacities since

1983, and I think that since then, health care has gotten to the point where it

is almost completely about money. The medical complex doesnt make money on

healthy people, they make money on sick people. I personally believe that health

care and the profit motive are a bad mix. The goal of curing and healing people,

keeping them healthy, disease prevention and health promotion are all in

conflict with the medical complex's goal of making profits. Money and profits

are much more important to the decision-makers than peoples health.

> Providing men with proper TRT and TRT monitoring is not at all complicated.

It's not a question of ignorance on the part of physicians, its a question of

what motivations and incentives are in place here.

> Any other opinions or viewpoints out there?

>

May 9, 2010

I am currently reading " Maximize Your Vitality and Potency " by V.

and Lane Lenard.

Fourth Printing 2006.

This book spends considerable time addressing these very issues.

The only thing that attracts research is profit. Where there is no profit to be

made there is no research or promotion. Only those products that are profitable

will be placed into the mass media machine.

Fortunately for us there is the Internet and people like Phil.

The " Truth is out there " for those willing to dig a bit.

Many people seem to understand, at least here in Canada, the profit motive but

they don't go to the next level, as everyone has done here in this group, and

demand the correct treatment for their problems. It is a mindset where people

are told to put themselves in the care of their physician or " ask your doctor " .

Well I think it has come time for many to take responsibility for their health,

learn about their medical conditions and not " ask " but " tell your Doctor " what

you want until you find a doctor that will listen. It is these actions that

will bring both heat and light to this problem.

People with low T have double trouble because with low T and high E it is

difficult to focus on the problem kick ass when you need to.