Re: Is Low Estrogen a Doable & Useful Objective if PSA is too high for Testosterone?

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First thing we need to do is to stop using the word ESTROGEN it's Estradiol E2

in men if you keep using the Estrogen word you will ask for an Estrogen test and

get the wrong labs done. You need an Estradiol test a sensitive test for men.

The best level for men is about 20 pg/ml some men feel fine higher like up to 30

anything over this is going to high.

There is no ratio that I know of that works your labs are to low or to high

doing a ratio of Testosterone to E2 tells one nothing. Men on TRT only need to

get there Testosterone levels up into the upper 1/3 of there labs range and this

go by how they feel and to keep there E2 levels at about 20 pg/ml. High E2 can

in some men make PSA levels higher.

I use Quest labs for my E2 labs test #4021.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: brianc <brianevans_99@...>

> Subject: Is Low Estrogen a Doable & Useful Objective if PSA is

too high for Testosterone?

>

> Date: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 2:19 PM

>

> My PSA is in the process of coming down from 20 a year ago,

> to 11.7 in late October, and presumably 7-8 when I get last

> week's results back.   My T level in October

> was about 150, and the trend is downward.  I'm also

> pushing 280, though have managed to contain my weight below

> 290, and do walk 20-30 mins 3-5 times weekly, and do sit-ups

> and some presses.  (More when weater warms a bit.)

>

> Since I can't get a doctor to supplement my T, would

> lowering my estrogen relative to the testosterone have

> benefit, in terms of weight loss, energy and other

> things?  If so, what might be the safest, most

> effective way to lower it?

>

> Many thanks,

>

>

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[Guest guest]

My Estradoil level was 38 and estrogen was 189. What can I do to lower my

levels???? I am in good physical condition 51 and feel pretty good.

Is Low Estrogen a Doable & Useful Objective if PSA is

too high for Testosterone?

>

> Date: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 2:19 PM

>

> My PSA is in the process of coming down from 20 a year ago,

> to 11.7 in late October, and presumably 7-8 when I get last

> week's results back. My T level in October

> was about 150, and the trend is downward. I'm also

> pushing 280, though have managed to contain my weight below

> 290, and do walk 20-30 mins 3-5 times weekly, and do sit-ups

> and some presses. (More when weater warms a bit.)

>

> Since I can't get a doctor to supplement my T, would

> lowering my estrogen relative to the testosterone have

> benefit, in terms of weight loss, energy and other

> things? If so, what might be the safest, most

> effective way to lower it?

>

> Many thanks,

>

>

> __________________________________________________________

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

You need to only worry about your 38 Estradiol level any testing on men for

Estrongen are useless and a waste of money. There is a supplement you can buy

OTC that has Indoplex in the DIM here is a link I have to a brand I know that is

good.

http://www.iherb.com/Enzymatic-Therapy-Pure-Rip-with-DIM-60-Tablets/12814?at=0

There are a lot of brands of DIM out there that are junk and don't work so if

you try this get this one.

Take it at dinner time and with in a few weeks your levels will come back down

the first thing in most men to happen is they get there night time and morning

wood back that is so strong it wakes you up. When this happens it means your at

your best levels I call this the sweet spot. Keep taking this but if your wood

stops your Estradiol levels are going down to low. So just stop the DIM until

the wood comes back that day go back on it but cut the tablet in half.

You can gage your levels by your wood this works dam good.

The other way you can get this down is to ask your Dr. for Arimidex it comes in

a 1 mgs pill we cut them in to 4 parts and take .25 mgs every 2 to 3 days here

is what I tell men about this so they don't go to low.

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What I found is if you go to low taking arimidex, it's the length of time your

to low, if your too low say for 8 weeks it can take your body a longer time to

make more Estradiol. Bottom line is to know how not to go to low. Keep a log on

your dose and how you feel men going to low can't get it up taking Viagra. I

went to low when I first tried Arimidex and did not know about going to low or

how one feels to low, so I was low a good 8 weeks. I did not know I was low

until my next labs.

The best gage I have found to control your Estradiol levels is to gage your

night time and morning wood. At good levels or what I call the sweet spot you

get your night time and morning wood back so strong it will wake you up and you

can hang a coat on it.

Most men do good taking .25 mgs or 1/4 of a 1mg. pill, I use a pill cutter to

cut the small pill in half then I stand it on the cut end and use a single edge

razor to cut this in half. A good way to take arimidex is by how high your

levels are. I tested over 90 pg/ml so we tried doing .5 mgs every other day

after 8 weeks my next set of labs showed it did not move below 90, test said

>90. So we did .5 mgs. every day in about 2 weeks I got some strong night time

and morning wood back after not having them for many yrs.

I kept doing this dose and in 8 weeks my next set of labs said <20 back in the

day labs were like this they did not have to good labs we have today they could

not read lower the 20. My Dr. told me this looks to low to stop taking the

Arimidex. The one thing I noticed was my wood stopped and stopping the Arimidex

my wood came back in about 7 weeks my next test at 8 weeks was 24 pg/ml. So we

went back on the Arimidex but the Dr. told me to take .5 mgs every 3 days I was

on this dose not a week and lost wood. This is when I figured out going to low

you lose wood. And the longer your too low the longer it takes to get levels

back up.

I stopped the arimidex right away and got my wood back in 4 days. I then after

playing with the dose for a time found the best dose is .25mgs every 2 to 3

days.

So lets say your labs are less the 50 pg/ml if your take .5 mgs you can go down

so dam fast your miss the sweet spot of your wood and go to low. It's best with

lower levels 50 and under to do less Arimidex .25mgs every 2 days if later your

lose wood when it comes back go to every 3 days.

I have found estradiol is the hardest hormone to control, it goes up or down

from month to month some times I need .25mgs every 2 days other times I need

..25mgs everyday most of the time I do well on every 3 days.

So between wood and labs I do great and so do most of the men I have told this

to. I keep a log on how much I am taking and how I feel. Doing this and reading

back in my log I was able to tell when I was going to high or to low my Dr. lets

me dose my arimidex by how I feel.

Over the yrs. I have posted this story until I am blue in the face.

Co-Moderator

Phil

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> > From: brianc <brianevans_99@...>

> > Subject: Is Low Estrogen a Doable &

> Useful Objective if PSA is too high for Testosterone?

> >

> > Date: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 2:19 PM

> >

> > My PSA is in the process of coming down from 20 a year

> ago,

> > to 11.7 in late October, and presumably 7-8 when I get

> last

> > week's results back.   My T level in

> October

> > was about 150, and the trend is downward.  I'm

> also

> > pushing 280, though have managed to contain my weight

> below

> > 290, and do walk 20-30 mins 3-5 times weekly, and do

> sit-ups

> > and some presses.  (More when weater warms a

> bit.)

> >

> > Since I can't get a doctor to supplement my T, would

> > lowering my estrogen relative to the testosterone

> have

> > benefit, in terms of weight loss, energy and other

> > things?  If so, what might be the safest, most

> > effective way to lower it?

> >

> > Many thanks,

> >

> >

> >

> __________________________________________________________

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >