Re: question about Methotrexate side effects??

[Guest guest]

Hello I'm ,

I've been on MTX for over a year now and most times

it puts me on my but the the weekend i seem to think

it has to do with how bad the R/A or pain is at that

time I take 6 pills or 15 mg on saturdays and its not

unusale for me to sleep sat evening and all day sunday

..

later john

--- rosalieanne <SANFORDRA@...> wrote:

> I just started on Methotrexate 3 weeks ago. No

> problem with the first

> 2 doses of 7.5 mg, but since taking the third dose

> of 10 mg I've been

> feeling really tired. Dose was last Wednesday

> evening, and I'm still

> losing energy fast. I'm all in by 11:00 am.

>

> Is this a normal reaction? Will it go away?

>

> I'm still waiting to hear from the foundation about

> the Remicade

> funding.

>

> Posie in MI

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Are you taking folic acid along with the methotrexate? It's a must.

Among other things, it reduces the fatigue. Your doctor may want to

increase the folic acid dose--mine did, and I feel a lot better at 2

mg/day.

Sierra

> I just started on Methotrexate 3 weeks ago. No problem with the

first

> 2 doses of 7.5 mg, but since taking the third dose of 10 mg I've been

> feeling really tired. Dose was last Wednesday evening, and I'm still

> losing energy fast. I'm all in by 11:00 am.

>

> Is this a normal reaction? Will it go away?

>

> I'm still waiting to hear from the foundation about the Remicade

> funding.

>

> Posie in MI

[Guest guest]

I take eight pills on Tuesdays. It never puts me to sleep though. Did I misunderstand you on that?

DO NOT REGRET GROWING OLD; MANY ARE DENIED THE PRIVILEGE

-------Original Message-------

From: john no_way

Date: 08/01/05 18:39:19

Rheumatoid Arthritis

Subject: Re: question about Methotrexate side effects??

Hello I'm , I've been on MTX for over a year now and most timesit puts me on my but the the weekend i seem to thinkit has to do with how bad the R/A or pain is at thattime I take 6 pills or 15 mg on saturdays and its notunusale for me to sleep sat evening and all day sunday.. later john--- rosalieanne <SANFORDRA@...> wrote:> I just started on Methotrexate 3 weeks ago. No> problem with the first > 2 doses of 7.5 mg, but since taking the third dose> of 10 mg I've been > feeling really tired. Dose was last Wednesday> evening, and I'm still > losing energy fast. I'm all in by 11:00 am.> > Is this a normal reaction? Will it go away?> > I'm still waiting to hear from the foundation about> the Remicade > funding.> > Posie in MI> > > __________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

> Are you taking folic acid along with the methotrexate? It's a must.

> Among other things, it reduces the fatigue. Your doctor may want to

> increase the folic acid dose--mine did, and I feel a lot better at 2

> mg/day.

>

> Sierra

Will discuss that with my doctor next Monday at my next appointment.

I'm currently taking only 1 mg.

Thanks!

Posie in MI

[Guest guest]

Yes Kat ,

Thats what I said but I'm haveing much trouble with fatigue been so very tired this week and in much pain

my whole body ,, but yes i do sleep much more after my mtx to !

johnKathy Shirlene Leverett-Baker <txkat@...> wrote:

I take eight pills on Tuesdays. It never puts me to sleep though. Did I misunderstand you on that?

DO NOT REGRET GROWING OLD; MANY ARE DENIED THE PRIVILEGE

-------Original Message-------

From: john no_way

Date: 08/01/05 18:39:19

Rheumatoid Arthritis

Subject: Re: question about Methotrexate side effects??

Hello I'm , I've been on MTX for over a year now and most timesit puts me on my but the the weekend i seem to thinkit has to do with how bad the R/A or pain is at thattime I take 6 pills or 15 mg on saturdays and its notunusale for me to sleep sat evening and all day sunday.. later john--- rosalieanne <SANFORDRA@...> wrote:> I just started on Methotrexate 3 weeks ago. No> problem with the first > 2 doses of 7.5 mg, but since taking the third dose> of 10 mg I've been > feeling really tired. Dose was last Wednesday> evening, and I'm still > losing energy fast. I'm all in by 11:00 am.> > Is this a normal reaction?

Will it go away?> > I'm still waiting to hear from the foundation about> the Remicade > funding.> > Posie in MI> > > __________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

When I first started taking MTX it didn't make me tired or sleepy,

but it sure made me goofy. I took it on Sunday night because Monday

was my " day off " . I didn't cook on Mondays because I would forget

things on the stove and burn them. I didn't drive either. I told

my riding students not to call me on Mondays because I would most

likely forget what they told me. This lasted about three months.

Now I have no side effects at all from the methotrexate. It never

upset my stomach either.

Sharon

>

> > I just started on Methotrexate 3 weeks ago. No

> > problem with the first

> > 2 doses of 7.5 mg, but since taking the third dose

> > of 10 mg I've been

> > feeling really tired. Dose was last Wednesday

> > evening, and I'm still

> > losing energy fast. I'm all in by 11:00 am.

> >

> > Is this a normal reaction? Will it go away?

> >

> > I'm still waiting to hear from the foundation about

> > the Remicade

> > funding.

> >

> > Posie in MI

> >

> >

> >

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sharon, are you are riding instructor? Engish or Western?

Dorey

----- Original Message -----

From: " Sharon Wertz " <sbwertz@...>

<Rheumatoid Arthritis >

Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 9:26 PM

Subject: Re: question about Methotrexate side

effects??

When I first started taking MTX it didn't make me tired or sleepy,

but it sure made me goofy. I took it on Sunday night because Monday

was my " day off " . I didn't cook on Mondays because I would forget

things on the stove and burn them. I didn't drive either. I told

my riding students not to call me on Mondays because I would most

likely forget what they told me. This lasted about three months.

Now I have no side effects at all from the methotrexate. It never

upset my stomach either.

Sharon

>

> > I just started on Methotrexate 3 weeks ago. No

> > problem with the first

> > 2 doses of 7.5 mg, but since taking the third dose

> > of 10 mg I've been

> > feeling really tired. Dose was last Wednesday

> > evening, and I'm still

> > losing energy fast. I'm all in by 11:00 am.

> >

> > Is this a normal reaction? Will it go away?

> >

> > I'm still waiting to hear from the foundation about

> > the Remicade

> > funding.

> >

> > Posie in MI

> >

> >

> >

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

I take 6 on Friday night to give me 2 days to

recover. There have been times when I have slept most of Saturday.

Have a great day,

Lynette & Molly

(the fruit stealing Boston Terrier)

land/ Zone

7

Visit Molly at http://community.webshots.com/user/lmthib

From: Rheumatoid Arthritis

[mailto:Rheumatoid Arthritis ]

On Behalf Of Kathy Shirlene

Leverett-Baker

Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005

2:26 AM

Rheumatoid Arthritis

Subject: Re:

question about Methotrexate side effects??

I

take eight pills on Tuesdays. It never puts me to sleep though.

Did I misunderstand you on that?

DO NOT REGRET GROWING

OLD; MANY ARE DENIED THE PRIVILEGE

[Guest guest]

I started off with 4 MTX pills a week years ago, it didn't bother me..

Lately I was increased to 7, now at 8 and I'm more tired, sleepy and

have more upset stomachs. I guess we have our limits.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Maggie

http://www.4HockeyFans.com

http://www.4FloridaHockey.com

MSN: Maggies1429

AOL: Maggies85

Sharon Wertz wrote:

When I first started taking MTX it didn't make me tired or sleepy, but it sure made me goofy. I took it on Sunday night because Monday was my "day off". I didn't cook on Mondays because I would forget things on the stove and burn them. I didn't drive either. I told my riding students not to call me on Mondays because I would most likely forget what they told me. This lasted about three months. Now I have no side effects at all from the methotrexate. It never upset my stomach either.

Sharon

[Guest guest]

> Hi Sharon, are you are riding instructor? Engish or Western?

>

> Dorey

English riding for Pony Club in Phoenix in the winter and for 4H in

Flagstaff in the summer. We are getting ready for a practice show

on Saturday in Flagstaff. I have been rebuilding and repainting all

our wings and repainting our poles for the last week.

Last year my 4H students in Flagstaff took Champion and Reserve

Champion in both Junior and Senior divisions at the county fair

finals horse show. I was so proud of them. They all took ribbons

at the State Fair, too. I have been working with most of them since

they first started riding. It is such a joy to watch them develop.

I am also training my young draft cross to jump. I can only ride

for about half an hour at a time because it gets to my knees, but he

is coming along nicely. He is belgian/tb cross and 17.1 hh. with

the draft horse work ethic. A really sweet boy who loves to jump.

Sharon

[Guest guest]

hey, Lynette! does Molly shed much? my hubby and I are planning to adopt either a pug or a Boston = I'm partial to Boston's as my grandmother had one 60 years ago!! we have been told that the pugs shed continuosly.....thanks! gentle hugs! Marcia in western New York StateLynette Thibodeaux <lmthib@...> wrote:

I take 6 on Friday night to give me 2 days to recover. There have been times when I have slept most of Saturday.

Have a great day,

Lynette & Molly (the fruit stealing Boston Terrier)

land/ Zone 7

Visit Molly at http://community.webshots.com/user/lmthib

From: Rheumatoid Arthritis [mailto:Rheumatoid Arthritis ] On Behalf Of Kathy Shirlene Leverett-BakerSent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 2:26 AMRheumatoid Arthritis Subject: Re: question about Methotrexate side effects??

I take eight pills on Tuesdays. It never puts me to sleep though. Did I misunderstand you on that?

DO NOT REGRET GROWING OLD; MANY ARE DENIED THE PRIVILEGE

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: Marcia Stoyle

> hey, Lynette! does Molly shed much? my hubby and I are planning to adopt either a pug or a Boston = I'm partial to Boston's as my grandmother had one 60 years ago!! we have been told that the pugs shed continuosly.....thanks! gentle hugs! Marcia in western New York State

Most short haired dogs shed as much or more than long haired ones. I had a Doberman that shed a lot. And those little short hairs stuck in the fabric on the furniture, unlike the long soft ones from my other dogs that were easy to vacuum off.

Nina

[Guest guest]

Dobermans shed like buffaloes! I had one too, and she shed more than my Chihuahuas do.

----- Original Message -----

From: Nina

Rheumatoid Arthritis

Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 1:44 PM

Subject: Re: question about Methotrexate side effects??

----- Original Message -----

From: Marcia Stoyle

> hey, Lynette! does Molly shed much? my hubby and I are planning to adopt either a pug or a Boston = I'm partial to Boston's as my grandmother had one 60 years ago!! we have been told that the pugs shed continuosly.....thanks! gentle hugs! Marcia in western New York State

Most short haired dogs shed as much or more than long haired ones. I had a Doberman that shed a lot. And those little short hairs stuck in the fabric on the furniture, unlike the long soft ones from my other dogs that were easy to vacuum off.

Nina

[Guest guest]

Beagles do too....sometimes worse than our

golden. The beagle even has really short hair.

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Maggie

http://www.4HockeyFans.com

http://www.4FloridaHockey.com

MSN: Maggies1429

AOL: Maggies85

Hasenstab wrote:

Dobermans shed like buffaloes! I had

one too, and she shed more than my Chihuahuas do.

[Guest guest]

The only dogs I know of who do not shed much are poodles and bichons, but they both need professional grooming regularly to maintain their coat, unless you are very dedicated and skilful. However, shedding potential should not be something you use as a basis to choose a pet. *All* dogs shed; if dog hair really is a concern, then perhaps a dog is not the pet you want. You should want a dog badly enough to be able to handle the shedding without it being a problem.

Looking for a dog who does not shed because you can't stand dog hair is like trying to adopt a child who does not cry because whiney children make you crazy. It's going to happen; hopefully, you want and will love a dog enough to overcome that.

----- Original Message -----

From: Maggie

Rheumatoid Arthritis

Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 2:02 PM

Subject: Re: question about Methotrexate side effects??

Beagles do too....sometimes worse than our golden. The beagle even has really short hair.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Maggie

http://www.4HockeyFans.com

http://www.4FloridaHockey.com

MSN: Maggies1429

AOL: Maggies85 Hasenstab wrote:

Dobermans shed like buffaloes! I had one too, and she shed more than my Chihuahuas do.

[Guest guest]

I started using one of those shedding

blades on both of them and the loose hair around the house is not as

much of a problem. It is hard on my hands tho. I've always had dogs,

and I think I'll always have dogs...so I'd never reconsider due to

shedding :-)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Maggie

http://www.4HockeyFans.com

http://www.4FloridaHockey.com

MSN: Maggies1429

AOL: Maggies85

Hasenstab wrote:

The only dogs I

know of who do not shed much are poodles and bichons, but they both

need professional grooming regularly to maintain their coat, unless you

are very dedicated and skilful. However, shedding potential should not

be something you use as a basis to choose a pet. *All* dogs shed; if

dog hair really is a concern, then perhaps a dog is not the pet you

want. You should want a dog badly enough to be able to handle the

shedding without it being a problem.

Looking for a dog

who does not shed because you can't stand dog hair is like trying to

adopt a child who does not cry because whiney children make you crazy.

It's going to happen; hopefully, you want and will love a dog enough to

overcome that.

[Guest guest]

Yes, those work well. I have a bichon who goes to the groomer, except that she's now 17 and won't be going much longer, and the rest are Chihuahuas. Brushing takes care of them. I had an Am. Eskimo for 15 years and she shed terribly. I took her to the groomer every six weeks to have her undercoat blown out, but even if I hadn't been able to do that, she would have been part of my family and I would have handled it.

----- Original Message -----

From: Maggie

Rheumatoid Arthritis

Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 2:15 PM

Subject: Re: question about Methotrexate side effects??

I started using one of those shedding blades on both of them and the loose hair around the house is not as much of a problem. It is hard on my hands tho. I've always had dogs, and I think I'll always have dogs...so I'd never reconsider due to shedding :-)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Maggie

http://www.4HockeyFans.com

http://www.4FloridaHockey.com

MSN: Maggies1429

AOL: Maggies85 Hasenstab wrote:

The only dogs I know of who do not shed much are poodles and bichons, but they both need professional grooming regularly to maintain their coat, unless you are very dedicated and skilful. However, shedding potential should not be something you use as a basis to choose a pet. *All* dogs shed; if dog hair really is a concern, then perhaps a dog is not the pet you want. You should want a dog badly enough to be able to handle the shedding without it being a problem.

Looking for a dog who does not shed because you can't stand dog hair is like trying to adopt a child who does not cry because whiney children make you crazy. It's going to happen; hopefully, you want and will love a dog enough to overcome that.

[Guest guest]

I have 2 beagles and thought that short haired dogs didn't shed - you are so right - they shed a lot! I'm constantly sweeping or vacumming the area they live in in my home - I have them quarantined off in my little family room - so I don't have so much to clean up - as I just can't keep up with it all anymore.

But they are worth it! We should attach pics of our little ones Oh that's right, this is suppose to be about R.A. - But we can have some fun too can't we?

I have a pic of my little Angel stuffed in a Xmas stocking and hung her on the wall! 2 weeks later she could barely fit

Nina <ncampbell@...> wrote:

----- Original Message -----

From: Marcia Stoyle

> hey, Lynette! does Molly shed much? my hubby and I are planning to adopt either a pug or a Boston = I'm partial to Boston's as my grandmother had one 60 years ago!! we have been told that the pugs shed continuosly.....thanks! gentle hugs! Marcia in western New York State

Most short haired dogs shed as much or more than long haired ones. I had a Doberman that shed a lot. And those little short hairs stuck in the fabric on the furniture, unlike the long soft ones from my other dogs that were easy to vacuum off.

Nina

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[Guest guest]

Now wait a minute, chihuahuas shed? They don't have much hair. Who'd know!

They are so cute though - I'd love to carry one around in a purse - lol

Hasenstab <saludo@...> wrote:

Dobermans shed like buffaloes! I had one too, and she shed more than my Chihuahuas do.

----- Original Message -----

From: Nina

Rheumatoid Arthritis

Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 1:44 PM

Subject: Re: question about Methotrexate side effects??

----- Original Message -----

From: Marcia Stoyle

> hey, Lynette! does Molly shed much? my hubby and I are planning to adopt either a pug or a Boston = I'm partial to Boston's as my grandmother had one 60 years ago!! we have been told that the pugs shed continuosly.....thanks! gentle hugs! Marcia in western New York State

Most short haired dogs shed as much or more than long haired ones. I had a Doberman that shed a lot. And those little short hairs stuck in the fabric on the furniture, unlike the long soft ones from my other dogs that were easy to vacuum off.

Nina

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[Guest guest]

Here's one for you.......I have a shih tzu (they don't shed) bred her to another cross breed male that doesn't shed and 2 of her pups shed while the other 2 do not...............grrrrrrrr I kept one of the ones that sheds......lol

Dorey

----- Original Message -----

From: Maggie

Rheumatoid Arthritis

Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 11:15 AM

Subject: Re: question about Methotrexate side effects??

I started using one of those shedding blades on both of them and the loose hair around the house is not as much of a problem. It is hard on my hands tho. I've always had dogs, and I think I'll always have dogs...so I'd never reconsider due to shedding :-)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Maggie

http://www.4HockeyFans.com

http://www.4FloridaHockey.com

MSN: Maggies1429

AOL: Maggies85 Hasenstab wrote:

The only dogs I know of who do not shed much are poodles and bichons, but they both need professional grooming regularly to maintain their coat, unless you are very dedicated and skilful. However, shedding potential should not be something you use as a basis to choose a pet. *All* dogs shed; if dog hair really is a concern, then perhaps a dog is not the pet you want. You should want a dog badly enough to be able to handle the shedding without it being a problem.

Looking for a dog who does not shed because you can't stand dog hair is like trying to adopt a child who does not cry because whiney children make you crazy. It's going to happen; hopefully, you want and will love a dog enough to overcome that.

[Guest guest]

Yep, they shed. Some of the smoothcoats have what's called a double coat(I have one) and she sheds more than any other dog I've ever had. I can pull out huge handfuls of hair in the spring, but she sheds year around. The longcoats don't shed as much as the smoothcoats do.

----- Original Message -----

From: sunshine

Rheumatoid Arthritis

Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 4:13 PM

Subject: Re: question about Methotrexate side effects??

Now wait a minute, chihuahuas shed? They don't have much hair. Who'd know!

They are so cute though - I'd love to carry one around in a purse - lol

Hasenstab <saludo@...> wrote:

Dobermans shed like buffaloes! I had one too, and she shed more than my Chihuahuas do.

----- Original Message -----

From: Nina

Rheumatoid Arthritis

Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 1:44 PM

Subject: Re: question about Methotrexate side effects??

----- Original Message -----

From: Marcia Stoyle

> hey, Lynette! does Molly shed much? my hubby and I are planning to adopt either a pug or a Boston = I'm partial to Boston's as my grandmother had one 60 years ago!! we have been told that the pugs shed continuosly.....thanks! gentle hugs! Marcia in western New York State

Most short haired dogs shed as much or more than long haired ones. I had a Doberman that shed a lot. And those little short hairs stuck in the fabric on the furniture, unlike the long soft ones from my other dogs that were easy to vacuum off.

Nina

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

you misunderstand...we had a boxer for 12 years and have two cats now. we miss our dog, and want another, but are searching for a smaller breed=hair shedding was just a general question.....Marcia in Western New York Hasenstab <saludo@...> wrote:

The only dogs I know of who do not shed much are poodles and bichons, but they both need professional grooming regularly to maintain their coat, unless you are very dedicated and skilful. However, shedding potential should not be something you use as a basis to choose a pet. *All* dogs shed; if dog hair really is a concern, then perhaps a dog is not the pet you want. You should want a dog badly enough to be able to handle the shedding without it being a problem.

Looking for a dog who does not shed because you can't stand dog hair is like trying to adopt a child who does not cry because whiney children make you crazy. It's going to happen; hopefully, you want and will love a dog enough to overcome that.

----- Original Message -----

From: Maggie

Rheumatoid Arthritis

Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 2:02 PM

Subject: Re: question about Methotrexate side effects??

Beagles do too....sometimes worse than our golden. The beagle even has really short hair. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Maggie

http://www.4HockeyFans.com

http://www.4FloridaHockey.com

MSN: Maggies1429

AOL: Maggies85 Hasenstab wrote:

Dobermans shed like buffaloes! I had one too, and she shed more than my Chihuahuas do.

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

THere are some books available(I don't know the titles) that rate dogs according to shedding, personality traits, activity,etc. That would be a good place to start. I picked one up in a bookstore one time and leafed through it -- it looked pretty good. It was something about matching a dog to you, or finding the dog for you.

----- Original Message -----

From: Marcia Stoyle

Rheumatoid Arthritis

Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 7:02 PM

Subject: Re: question about Methotrexate side effects??

you misunderstand...we had a boxer for 12 years and have two cats now. we miss our dog, and want another, but are searching for a smaller breed=hair shedding was just a general question.....Marcia in Western New York Hasenstab <saludo@...> wrote:

The only dogs I know of who do not shed much are poodles and bichons, but they both need professional grooming regularly to maintain their coat, unless you are very dedicated and skilful. However, shedding potential should not be something you use as a basis to choose a pet. *All* dogs shed; if dog hair really is a concern, then perhaps a dog is not the pet you want. You should want a dog badly enough to be able to handle the shedding without it being a problem.

Looking for a dog who does not shed because you can't stand dog hair is like trying to adopt a child who does not cry because whiney children make you crazy. It's going to happen; hopefully, you want and will love a dog enough to overcome that.

----- Original Message -----

From: Maggie

Rheumatoid Arthritis

Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 2:02 PM

Subject: Re: question about Methotrexate side effects??

Beagles do too....sometimes worse than our golden. The beagle even has really short hair. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Maggie

http://www.4HockeyFans.com

http://www.4FloridaHockey.com

MSN: Maggies1429

AOL: Maggies85 Hasenstab wrote:

Dobermans shed like buffaloes! I had one too, and she shed more than my Chihuahuas do.

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: Hasenstab

> THere are some books available(I don't know the titles) that rate dogs according to shedding, personality traits, activity,etc. That would be a good place to start. I picked one up in a bookstore one time and leafed through it -- it looked pretty good. It was something about matching a dog to you, or finding the dog for you.

You can also check out breeds of dogs at http://www.akc.org

Nina

[Guest guest]

I have 2 poms and they shed if I don't keep them brushed if you keep

a long hair dog brushed it dosenn't shed as much

Sherrie

> Dobermans shed like buffaloes! I had one too, and she shed

more than my Chihuahuas do.

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Nina

> Rheumatoid Arthritis

> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 1:44 PM

> Subject: Re: question about

Methotrexate side effects??

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Marcia Stoyle

>

>

> > hey, Lynette! does Molly shed much? my hubby and I are

planning to adopt either a pug or a Boston = I'm partial to Boston's

as my grandmother had one 60 years ago!! we have been told that the

pugs shed continuosly.....thanks! gentle hugs! Marcia in western

New York State

>

> Most short haired dogs shed as much or more than long haired

ones. I had a Doberman that shed a lot. And those little short

hairs stuck in the fabric on the furniture, unlike the long soft

ones from my other dogs that were easy to vacuum off.

>

> Nina

>

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>