Re:Andy_protocol Questions???

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I have some questions about the Andy_protocol.

Sorry!! I’m a second language. I’m confused on the dosage.It says 1/8 to 1 /

2 mg of DMSA per pound. My son is 164pounds what would be the right dosage? Pam

suggests trying low dosage of 25mg with him right now. It makes sense since my

DAN was trying too high dosage and my son did not respond well.However I want to

be sure how much should be the right dosage.

Also how many days should I have him on the 4hours of DMSA. 3 days on and 4 days

off or 3 days on and 11 days off. I want to do it slow as possible. Should I

have him less than three days on the DMSA every 4 hours? We just had a trial of

DMSA the way my DAN told me to do it (not Andy_protocol ) on December 28 and

29. I was thinking and start the Andy profile small dosage in two weeks.

 

What can I do to prevent yeast overgrowth issues when chelating. Just using

probiotic is enough? He is having one pill a day should I add more than one. Is

anything else I can give to help with that? We had use in the pass Candidarrest

and Flora restore (not together) from Xymoge Formulas.

Does anybody have use activated charcoal to help with behaviors problems when

they are chelating?

 

Thank you so much!!!!!!

A.Simon,  

" I know God promises not to give me more than I can handle.

 I just wish he didn't trust me so much. " -Mother

From: Pamela H <phaselow@...>

Subject: [ ] Re:Affording DAN doctor bills

Date: Friday, January 1, 2010, 2:28 AM

 

Yes, please read the Files on low dose/high frequency chelation. You can do this

yourself with the DMSA you have from your MD: try giving DMSA every 4 hours (not

2 capsules per day) for 72 hours. Usually people chelate from Friday-Monday to

avoid school hours. The dose for a child your size *can* be the 65mgs, but

perhaps you should start with a lower dose like 25 mgs.

I am confident that your son will tolerate DMSA every four hours much better

than taking it every 12 or every 8 hours. It has to do with the half life of

DMSA and keeping the blood levels of DMSA constant to avoid as much heavy metal

redistribution as possible.

For now, stop the NAC and just use the DMSA. You can add the NAC in later when

you are more stable with the DMSA. Sometime NAC can cause problems, too.

Keep up with the probiotics.

Size and age do not determine if your child will tolerate chelation. Your school

director has inaccurate information. What is important is the manner in which

you chelate. Don't give up hope.

Pam

> > > > >

> > > > > First consider whether the things this DAN doc is doing are useful,

> > > necessary, and helpful. Many run lots of unnecessary, unhelpful tests.

> > > If you're buying supps from the doc consider whether you can get them

> > > for less elsewhere. Do the visits need to be as often as they are? Many

> > > here chelate on their own without a doc. What exactly is on hold? Can

> > > you do it without the doc?

> > > > > S S

> > > > >

> > > > > Affording DAN doctor bills

> > > > > Posted by: " florence george " ethelgeorge@ worogbe

> > > > > Mon Dec 28, 2009 7:21 pm (PST)

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Does anyone have any ideas on how else I can pay for all my

> > > daughter's doctor's visits. Waht else can I do to cover her costs.

> > > Everything is on hold because of overdue bills. I wish I could afford

> > > everything ,my daughter would have recovered by now.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks.

> > > > >

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> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Do not feel bad about asking questions and thank you for telling us English is a

second language.

If your son weighs 164lbs then the low dose (1/8) would be about 20mgs DMSA.

The highest dose to give under these guidelines would be 82mgs DMSA (1/2). With

very sensitive people, the starting dose of DMSA can be as low as 2.5 mgs. I

don't think you need to start that low because I believe your troubles have been

related to an improper protocol and not to DMSA specifically.

25mgs is an easy place to start because Kirkman sells 25mg capsules. If you are

nervous, you can certainly split the capsule and give only 12.5 mgs per dose for

the first round or two.

You can try to fight yeast with grapefruit seed extract, Candex (probably like

Candidarrest), removing/reducing sugars and simple carbohydrates from the diet

and avoiding yeast feeding supplements. Yeast is an unavoidable side effect

from chelation but that doesn't mean it cannot be managed. I know people will

offer other remedies.

I am glad you are considering a new protocol. I think you will be happier as

you see your child happier!

Pam

> > > > > >

> > > > > > First consider whether the things this DAN doc is doing are useful,

> > > > necessary, and helpful. Many run lots of unnecessary, unhelpful tests.

> > > > If you're buying supps from the doc consider whether you can get them

> > > > for less elsewhere. Do the visits need to be as often as they are? Many

> > > > here chelate on their own without a doc. What exactly is on hold? Can

> > > > you do it without the doc?

> > > > > > S S

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Affording DAN doctor bills

> > > > > > Posted by: " florence george " ethelgeorge@ worogbe

> > > > > > Mon Dec 28, 2009 7:21 pm (PST)

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Does anyone have any ideas on how else I can pay for all my

> > > > daughter's doctor's visits. Waht else can I do to cover her costs.

> > > > Everything is on hold because of overdue bills. I wish I could afford

> > > > everything ,my daughter would have recovered by now.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

> > > > > > Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition!

> > > > > > Nutrition

> > > > > >

> > > > http://tagline. excite.com/ c?cp=SmM- WMVcMuMjCYIICtxL FgAAKZRr_

2tbQBaG-3loG\

> > > > UsiTeHAAAYAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAADNAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAS QwAAAAA=

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 03/01/2010 20:16:24 GMT Standard Time,

asimon100@... writes:

Where can I buy Candex?

_www.iherb.com_ (http://www.iherb.com)

I did see at Kirkman Yeast-Aid is that the same thing as candex?

>>No

Also I don't see DMSA listed. Is that another name for it?

>>>you need to go to _www.vrp.com_ (http://www.vrp.com) for DMSA in 25mg

caps

HTH

Mandi in UK

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Where can I buy  Candex? I did see at  Kirkman  Yeast-Aid is that the same

thing as candex? Also I don't see DMSA listed.  Is that another name for it?

Thanks!!

A.Simon,  

" I know God promises not to give me more than I can handle.

 I just wish he didn't trust me so much. " -Mother

From: Pamela H <phaselow@...>

Subject: [ ] Re:Andy_protocol Questions???

Date: Friday, January 1, 2010, 10:07 PM

 

Do not feel bad about asking questions and thank you for telling us English is a

second language.

If your son weighs 164lbs then the low dose (1/8) would be about 20mgs DMSA. The

highest dose to give under these guidelines would be 82mgs DMSA (1/2). With very

sensitive people, the starting dose of DMSA can be as low as 2.5 mgs. I don't

think you need to start that low because I believe your troubles have been

related to an improper protocol and not to DMSA specifically.

25mgs is an easy place to start because Kirkman sells 25mg capsules. If you are

nervous, you can certainly split the capsule and give only 12.5 mgs per dose for

the first round or two.

You can try to fight yeast with grapefruit seed extract, Candex (probably like

Candidarrest) , removing/reducing sugars and simple carbohydrates from the diet

and avoiding yeast feeding supplements. Yeast is an unavoidable side effect from

chelation but that doesn't mean it cannot be managed. I know people will offer

other remedies.

I am glad you are considering a new protocol. I think you will be happier as you

see your child happier!

Pam

> > > > > >

> > > > > > First consider whether the things this DAN doc is doing are useful,

> > > > necessary, and helpful. Many run lots of unnecessary, unhelpful tests.

> > > > If you're buying supps from the doc consider whether you can get them

> > > > for less elsewhere. Do the visits need to be as often as they are? Many

> > > > here chelate on their own without a doc. What exactly is on hold? Can

> > > > you do it without the doc?

> > > > > > S S

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Affording DAN doctor bills

> > > > > > Posted by: " florence george " ethelgeorge@ worogbe

> > > > > > Mon Dec 28, 2009 7:21 pm (PST)

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Does anyone have any ideas on how else I can pay for all my

> > > > daughter's doctor's visits. Waht else can I do to cover her costs.

> > > > Everything is on hold because of overdue bills. I wish I could afford

> > > > everything ,my daughter would have recovered by now.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

> > > > > > Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition!

> > > > > > Nutrition

> > > > > >

> > > > http://tagline. excite.com/ c?cp=SmM- WMVcMuMjCYIICtxL FgAAKZRr_

2tbQBaG-3loG\

> > > > UsiTeHAAAYAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAADNAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAS QwAAAAA=

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Thanks!!!!!!

A.Simon,  

" I know God promises not to give me more than I can handle.

 I just wish he didn't trust me so much. " -Mother

From: Mum231ASD@... <Mum231ASD@...>

Subject: Re: [ ] Re:Andy_protocol Questions???

Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 3:22 PM

 

In a message dated 03/01/2010 20:16:24 GMT Standard Time,

asimon100 (DOT) com writes:

Where can I buy Candex?

_www.iherb.com_ (http://www.iherb. com)

I did see at Kirkman Yeast-Aid is that the same thing as candex?

>>No

Also I don't see DMSA listed. Is that another name for it?

>>>you need to go to _www.vrp.com_ (http://www.vrp. com) for DMSA in 25mg

caps

HTH

Mandi in UK

[Guest guest]

iHerb.com sells Candex. Yeast Aid is not the same thing. It contains natural

antifungals. Candex is an enzyme that dissolves the outer coating on yeast cells

so the immune system can disable them easier.

Warning if you get the yeast aid, it tastes bad...so hopefully they are able to

take the capsules. It works well though.

DMSA..there isn't another name for it. You have to go to www.vrp.com to buy

that.

Jan

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > First consider whether the things this DAN doc is doing are

useful,

> > > > > necessary, and helpful. Many run lots of unnecessary, unhelpful tests.

> > > > > If you're buying supps from the doc consider whether you can get them

> > > > > for less elsewhere. Do the visits need to be as often as they are?

Many

> > > > > here chelate on their own without a doc. What exactly is on hold? Can

> > > > > you do it without the doc?

> > > > > > > S S

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Affording DAN doctor bills

> > > > > > > Posted by: " florence george " ethelgeorge@ worogbe

> > > > > > > Mon Dec 28, 2009 7:21 pm (PST)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Does anyone have any ideas on how else I can pay for all my

> > > > > daughter's doctor's visits. Waht else can I do to cover her costs.

> > > > > Everything is on hold because of overdue bills. I wish I could afford

> > > > > everything ,my daughter would have recovered by now.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

> > > > > > > Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition!

> > > > > > > Nutrition

> > > > > > >

> > > > > http://tagline. excite.com/ c?cp=SmM- WMVcMuMjCYIICtxL FgAAKZRr_

2tbQBaG-3loG\

> > > > > UsiTeHAAAYAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAADNAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAS QwAAAAA=

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >