Re: Worrisome symptoms in my son, what is this? Jim, Andy others?

[Guest guest]

I personally think gluten and casein are capable of crippling a person who is

intolerant of them. Sounds like he has high acid, inflammation, lactic acidosis

from what he is eating. I believe the heat he is feeling is his body trying to

attack the food like an invader. The mucus is trying to carry out what his body

is not tolerating and that is why it is in the stools.

I would put him on GFCF, soy and sugar free diet immediately and start giving

cultured vegetables to help heal his gut. Give very warm epsom salt baths to

help him detox from the foods he is not tolerating. If he has eaten these

things recently or if he gets them in the future, I would give activated

charcoal right away.

It may be good to start an SCD diet for awhile to calm his gut (chicken soup,

cooked vegetables, etc.).

Liz

>

> I'm really concerned about my 7-yr old NT son, whom I've posted about before.

He has had several symptoms daily for weeks now and I could really use some help

with ideas on what could be going on with him.

>

> For starters, he has an oil slick in his urine and this has been going on for

months. Things improve with ox bile and digestive enzymes but doesn't go away

entirely.

>

> For a few weeks now, he feels unwell systematically within 30-45 minutes of

eating. He says that he feels hot in his head and chest, has a headache, a tummy

ache, sometimes sore legs too. On a few occasions, he seemed like he was going

to pass out, he got really weak and couldn't walk.

>

> Sometimes, it looks like there is mucous in his stool (but not always).

>

> He is also weak muscularly, gets tired easily and is emotionally reactive. He

has adrenal issues too.

>

> Any ideas on what can cause all of these symptoms, in particular the ill

feeling after eating? It's got me quite worried now.

>

> He takes supplements before meals at home, which seem to help including HCL,

some Houstons' enzymes (Trienza), ox bile and Vit C, E, mag and milk thistle.

I've noticed that his symptoms seems worse after eating a meal with meat or

dairy, especially cheese. He had a meal of pizza and ice cream a couple of weeks

ago and he felt so bad afterwards that he could barely walk. My husband had to

carry him and when he couldn't carry him anymore, we put him in our 3-yr old's

stroller!

>

> I saw a doctor yesterday to insist for tests but he said that he couldn't

connect all the symptoms and that some were likely " psychological " ! (What the

heck?) He prescribed urine test, stool test, blood test and an h. pylori test

and an abdominal & rectal ultrasound. I guess these tests are standard to start

looking and the Dr said that if they turn up nothing, then next is some

digestive exploration which sounds pretty unpleasant.

>

> DS has been taking HCL for a few weeks without any complaints then he started

complaining after taking it. I reduced the amount of HCL and now wonder if these

supplements have messed with his natural production of stomach acid. Does anyone

have a view on this? I've never read any precautions about this with HCL.

>

> Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

>

>

>

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Worrisome symptoms in my son, what is this? Jim, Andy others?

Posted by: " Andree " mam78@... iam2l84t

Wed Jun 9, 2010 7:15 am (PDT)

I'm really concerned about my 7-yr old NT son, whom I've posted about before. He

has had several symptoms daily for weeks now and I could really use some help

with ideas on what could be going on with him.

For starters, he has an oil slick in his urine and this has been going on for

months. Things improve with ox bile and digestive enzymes but doesn't go away

entirely.

*Is he on any any oil supps (CLO, fish oil, etc)?

For a few weeks now, he feels unwell systematically within 30-45 minutes of

eating. He says that he feels hot in his head and chest, has a headache, a tummy

ache, sometimes sore legs too. On a few occasions, he seemed like he was going

to pass out, he got really weak and couldn't walk.

Sometimes, it looks like there is mucous in his stool (but not always).

He is also weak muscularly, gets tired easily and is emotionally reactive. He

has adrenal issues too.

Any ideas on what can cause all of these symptoms, in particular the ill feeling

after eating? It's got me quite worried now.

He takes supplements before meals at home, which seem to help including HCL,

some Houstons' enzymes (Trienza), ox bile and Vit C, E, mag and milk thistle.

I've noticed that his symptoms seems worse after eating a meal with meat or

dairy, especially cheese. He had a meal of pizza and ice cream a couple of weeks

ago and he felt so bad afterwards that he could barely walk. My husband had to

carry him and when he couldn't carry him anymore, we put him in our 3-yr old's

stroller!

*Consider avoiding meat and dairy to see if that helps.

I saw a doctor yesterday to insist for tests but he said that he couldn't

connect all the symptoms and that some were likely " psychological " ! (What the

heck?) He prescribed urine test, stool test, blood test and an h. pylori test

and an abdominal & rectal ultrasound. I guess these tests are standard to start

looking and the Dr said that if they turn up nothing, then next is some

digestive exploration which sounds pretty unpleasant.

DS has been taking HCL for a few weeks without any complaints then he started

complaining after taking it. I reduced the amount of HCL and now wonder if these

supplements have messed with his natural production of stomach acid. Does anyone

have a view on this? I've never read any precautions about this with HCL.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

*I would be concerned about the ox bile.

[Guest guest]

> For starters, he has an oil slick in his urine and this has been going on for

months. Things improve with ox bile and digestive enzymes but doesn't go away

entirely.

For me personally, this meant I had a yeast overgrowth problem.

> Sometimes, it looks like there is mucous in his stool (but not always).

This meant yeast for one of my kids.

> He is also weak muscularly, gets tired easily and is emotionally reactive. He

has adrenal issues too.

Emotional issues meant milk intolerance and yeast overgrowth here.

>>I've noticed that his symptoms seems worse after eating a meal with meat or

dairy, especially cheese. He had a meal of pizza and ice cream a couple of weeks

ago and he felt so bad afterwards that he could barely walk. My husband had to

carry him and when he couldn't carry him anymore, we put him in our 3-yr old's

stroller!

Try removing milk, see if that helps.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Thank you all for your replies.

I have some bloodwork back now, with a few values that are out of range or at

the limit. Can anyone comment on what the results suggest? I'm just listing

results that appear either high or low:

Neutrophils 1319 /mm3 (range 1500 - 7500)

VGM 80.6 mm3 (range 85 - 95)

Fasting blood sugar 0.84 g/l (range 0.70- 1.10)

UREA 0.42 g/l (range < 0.45 )

Creatinine 6.0 mg/L (range < 8.0)

Total proteins 72 g/l (range 60 - 85)

Sodium 138 meq/l (range 135 - 145)

Potassium 4.8 mEq/l (range 3.5 - 5)

ASAT 39 UI/l (range < 40)

Gamma GT 14 (range < 49)

Lipase 51 U/l (range 7 - 60)

LDH 411 UI/l (range < 480)

CPK 77 UI/l (range < 25 - 195)

Ferritine 35 (range 10 - 80)

DS feels hot, has a headache, pains in the legs and feels unwell after eating

meat, dairy, starches (pasta, bread) and sweets. He has appeared OK on a few

occasions after eating fruit & veggies, but this isn't always the case.

He has never had this in the past so what the heck is going on?

All further input is welcome.

>

> I'm really concerned about my 7-yr old NT son, whom I've posted about before.

He has had several symptoms daily for weeks now and I could really use some help

with ideas on what could be going on with him.

>

> For starters, he has an oil slick in his urine and this has been going on for

months. Things improve with ox bile and digestive enzymes but doesn't go away

entirely.

>

> For a few weeks now, he feels unwell systematically within 30-45 minutes of

eating. He says that he feels hot in his head and chest, has a headache, a tummy

ache, sometimes sore legs too. On a few occasions, he seemed like he was going

to pass out, he got really weak and couldn't walk.

>

> Sometimes, it looks like there is mucous in his stool (but not always).

>

> He is also weak muscularly, gets tired easily and is emotionally reactive. He

has adrenal issues too.

>

> Any ideas on what can cause all of these symptoms, in particular the ill

feeling after eating? It's got me quite worried now.

>

> He takes supplements before meals at home, which seem to help including HCL,

some Houstons' enzymes (Trienza), ox bile and Vit C, E, mag and milk thistle.

I've noticed that his symptoms seems worse after eating a meal with meat or

dairy, especially cheese. He had a meal of pizza and ice cream a couple of weeks

ago and he felt so bad afterwards that he could barely walk. My husband had to

carry him and when he couldn't carry him anymore, we put him in our 3-yr old's

stroller!

>

> I saw a doctor yesterday to insist for tests but he said that he couldn't

connect all the symptoms and that some were likely " psychological " ! (What the

heck?) He prescribed urine test, stool test, blood test and an h. pylori test

and an abdominal & rectal ultrasound. I guess these tests are standard to start

looking and the Dr said that if they turn up nothing, then next is some

digestive exploration which sounds pretty unpleasant.

>

> DS has been taking HCL for a few weeks without any complaints then he started

complaining after taking it. I reduced the amount of HCL and now wonder if these

supplements have messed with his natural production of stomach acid. Does anyone

have a view on this? I've never read any precautions about this with HCL.

>

> Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Please reread my post. You have to stop feeding him things he doesn't tolerate.

Try starting this diet for a few weeks and then adding in more foods one by one

and taking note of any reactions:

http://www.livestrong.com/article/96514-oligoantigenic-diet-list/

> >

> > I'm really concerned about my 7-yr old NT son, whom I've posted about

before. He has had several symptoms daily for weeks now and I could really use

some help with ideas on what could be going on with him.

> >

> > For starters, he has an oil slick in his urine and this has been going on

for months. Things improve with ox bile and digestive enzymes but doesn't go

away entirely.

> >

> > For a few weeks now, he feels unwell systematically within 30-45 minutes of

eating. He says that he feels hot in his head and chest, has a headache, a tummy

ache, sometimes sore legs too. On a few occasions, he seemed like he was going

to pass out, he got really weak and couldn't walk.

> >

> > Sometimes, it looks like there is mucous in his stool (but not always).

> >

> > He is also weak muscularly, gets tired easily and is emotionally reactive.

He has adrenal issues too.

> >

> > Any ideas on what can cause all of these symptoms, in particular the ill

feeling after eating? It's got me quite worried now.

> >

> > He takes supplements before meals at home, which seem to help including HCL,

some Houstons' enzymes (Trienza), ox bile and Vit C, E, mag and milk thistle.

I've noticed that his symptoms seems worse after eating a meal with meat or

dairy, especially cheese. He had a meal of pizza and ice cream a couple of weeks

ago and he felt so bad afterwards that he could barely walk. My husband had to

carry him and when he couldn't carry him anymore, we put him in our 3-yr old's

stroller!

> >

> > I saw a doctor yesterday to insist for tests but he said that he couldn't

connect all the symptoms and that some were likely " psychological " ! (What the

heck?) He prescribed urine test, stool test, blood test and an h. pylori test

and an abdominal & rectal ultrasound. I guess these tests are standard to start

looking and the Dr said that if they turn up nothing, then next is some

digestive exploration which sounds pretty unpleasant.

> >

> > DS has been taking HCL for a few weeks without any complaints then he

started complaining after taking it. I reduced the amount of HCL and now wonder

if these supplements have messed with his natural production of stomach acid.

Does anyone have a view on this? I've never read any precautions about this with

HCL.

> >

> > Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks again Liz. I did read your post and had already stopped the foods that

are problematic when I posted a 2nd time, but was recapping the info about

problem foods.

I don't think that DS's problems are strictly food-related since this is a

sudden onset of many reactions to a broad selection of foods that he has always

tolerated (except for dairy which was problematic as a toddler). There is

something bigger going on but while the tests are ongoing to find the cause,

I've stopped the problem foods of course.

Food intolerances don't cause neutrophils to drop and he has also had other

symptoms too which I didn't list (like fevers out of the blue for no apparent

reason). I'm not chelating DS at the moment so that's probably not the cause.

Any further ideas welcome, though at this point, I've scared myself silly

looking up possible causes of drops the combination of all DS's symptoms.

>

> Please reread my post. You have to stop feeding him things he doesn't

tolerate. Try starting this diet for a few weeks and then adding in more foods

one by one and taking note of any reactions:

>

> http://www.livestrong.com/article/96514-oligoantigenic-diet-list/

>

[Guest guest]

This sounds like yeast to me also....probably yeast flaring up big time. Before

we started SCD for bacterial overgrowth/yeast, my son would say, " My legs aren't

working " and fall onto the ground crying. We have been SCD for over a year and

he still has occasional tummy problems after a meal. Meat and cheese are acidic

which creates an environment for yeast to thrive.

> > For starters, he has an oil slick in his urine and this has been going on

for months. Things improve with ox bile and digestive enzymes but doesn't go

away entirely.

>

>

> For me personally, this meant I had a yeast overgrowth problem.

>

>

> > Sometimes, it looks like there is mucous in his stool (but not always).

>

>

> This meant yeast for one of my kids.

>

>

> > He is also weak muscularly, gets tired easily and is emotionally reactive.

He has adrenal issues too.

>

>

> Emotional issues meant milk intolerance and yeast overgrowth here.

>

>

> >>I've noticed that his symptoms seems worse after eating a meal with meat or

dairy, especially cheese. He had a meal of pizza and ice cream a couple of weeks

ago and he felt so bad afterwards that he could barely walk. My husband had to

carry him and when he couldn't carry him anymore, we put him in our 3-yr old's

stroller!

>

>

> Try removing milk, see if that helps.

>

> Dana

>