Re: raw goat's milk experiment

[Guest guest]

Hi all, We have been having raw goat's milk since Thursday PM (3.5 days). I

have gone back to the farm everyday to pick up more milk since I have just been

letting the kids chug it. My reasoning was this: if it helps, we will probably

have a little die-off, thus some negative reactions, if it hurts, it's gonna

really hurt so let's find out and get over with it.

NOTE: WE have been strict SCD for 16mo. until Thursday.

My 2.5 year old daughter who has had a horrible yeast rash for over a year

despite of 16 months SCD with SCD 24 hour fermented yogurt - RASH IS GONE!!!

Son - 5.5 years. The only time he has EVER woken up dry in the morning was when

was on colloidal silver for illness.

WOKE UP DRY TODAY!

they have been complaining of occassional tummy aches with consumption of milk

and my daughter has been itching her vaginal area.

I take that to mean the bad bugs are dying!!

Thanks to whoever posted on the milk...maybe this will be a remedy for some

others too. I will keep you posted on progress.

jessica

>

> well, the info in this thread got me curious and i started googling. what i

read was convincing enough that i bought some raw goat's milk today for my three

kids who have been SCD since march 10, 2009 (well over 1 year). they have been

" drinking " pasteurized goat's milk that i had fermented into yogurt for over 24

hours. but i am interested to see how they do on the raw goat's milk.

>

> they did relatively well on pasteurized goat's milki before SCD.

>

> jessica

>

[Guest guest]

I love these personal discoveries! I hope the progress continues.

So all your kids actually like goat's milk? Is raw as 'sour' tasting as

pasteurized?

I had to giggle at your reasoning. Thanks.

Pam

> >

> > well, the info in this thread got me curious and i started googling. what i

read was convincing enough that i bought some raw goat's milk today for my three

kids who have been SCD since march 10, 2009 (well over 1 year). they have been

" drinking " pasteurized goat's milk that i had fermented into yogurt for over 24

hours. but i am interested to see how they do on the raw goat's milk.

> >

> > they did relatively well on pasteurized goat's milki before SCD.

> >

> > jessica

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, my son was dairy free for quite some time and then I added yogurt back in

(this was about 2 years ago). At the time, I didn't see any difference, I was

convinced the diet didn't do anything for him, but in about a week my friend

started telling me that he was becoming aggressive again (hitting and pushing

mostly). Two weeks later it was obvious. Reactions to foods can be delayed,

which was the case in our situation.

> >

> > well, the info in this thread got me curious and i started googling. what i

read was convincing enough that i bought some raw goat's milk today for my three

kids who have been SCD since march 10, 2009 (well over 1 year). they have been

" drinking " pasteurized goat's milk that i had fermented into yogurt for over 24

hours. but i am interested to see how they do on the raw goat's milk.

> >

> > they did relatively well on pasteurized goat's milki before SCD.

> >

> > jessica

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Absolutely...definately watching close to see what happens long term. Nothing

but positive results so far though.

[Guest guest]

We use raw goat's milk and make kefir for over two years now. That way all the

goodness is presereved while the lactose is mostly gone, and more good bugs and

enzymes are added by the kefir making it even easier to digest.

________________________________

From: Liz <elizabethsoliday@...>

Sent: Sun, June 20, 2010 5:27:15 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: raw goat's milk experiment

 

Hi, my son was dairy free for quite some time and then I added yogurt back in

(this was about 2 years ago). At the time, I didn't see any difference, I was

convinced the diet didn't do anything for him, but in about a week my friend

started telling me that he was becoming aggressive again (hitting and pushing

mostly). Two weeks later it was obvious. Reactions to foods can be delayed,

which was the case in our situation.

> >

> > well, the info in this thread got me curious and i started googling. what i

read was convincing enough that i bought some raw goat's milk today for my three

kids who have been SCD since march 10, 2009 (well over 1 year). they have been

" drinking " pasteurized goat's milk that i had fermented into yogurt for over 24

hours. but i am interested to see how they do on the raw goat's milk.

> >

> > they did relatively well on pasteurized goat's milki before SCD.

> >

> > jessica

> >

>

[Guest guest]

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Your welcome!!!! I hated to get a bit mean about it but YOU GOTTA Try THIS,

and if you tyou think that is good FERMENT the RAW GOAT MILK, then when you

get that down FERMENT RAW KEFIR.

I am in the middle of an freelance article about this all (freelance

photojournalist by trade) but thinking this is bigger telling our journey

and our healing its too big for an article.thinking of writing a book

I am so glad to hear that now only are they tolerating such a

drastic change diet so well (considering ) and that the yeast is now under

control. My kids went dry(one completely one almost) I AM SO SORRY I SHOULD

HAVR mentioned that. I have been so blessed in recovery I forget how

debilitating that part has been. Yes nights are much dryer in this house

with one ADHDer and one PDDNOS

Thanks for listening guys and that's for sharing this feedback.

SPEEAD THE WORD

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Pamela H

Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 9:02 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: raw goat's milk experiment

I love these personal discoveries! I hope the progress continues.

So all your kids actually like goat's milk? Is raw as 'sour' tasting as

pasteurized?

I had to giggle at your reasoning. Thanks.

Pam

> >

> > well, the info in this thread got me curious and i started googling.

what i read was convincing enough that i bought some raw goat's milk today

for my three kids who have been SCD since march 10, 2009 (well over 1 year).

they have been " drinking " pasteurized goat's milk that i had fermented into

yogurt for over 24 hours. but i am interested to see how they do on the raw

goat's milk.

> >

> > they did relatively well on pasteurized goat's milki before SCD.

> >

> > jessica

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I am sure it was not raw goat milk yogurt so I think its not fair to compare

apples and oranges and yes we are all keen to our children's thresholds and

as said she really gave them large amounts . I think that speaks for

itself.

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Liz

Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 12:27 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: raw goat's milk experiment

Hi, my son was dairy free for quite some time and then I added yogurt back

in (this was about 2 years ago). At the time, I didn't see any difference, I

was convinced the diet didn't do anything for him, but in about a week my

friend started telling me that he was becoming aggressive again (hitting and

pushing mostly). Two weeks later it was obvious. Reactions to foods can be

delayed, which was the case in our situation.

> >

> > well, the info in this thread got me curious and i started googling.

what i read was convincing enough that i bought some raw goat's milk today

for my three kids who have been SCD since march 10, 2009 (well over 1 year).

they have been " drinking " pasteurized goat's milk that i had fermented into

yogurt for over 24 hours. but i am interested to see how they do on the raw

goat's milk.

> >

> > they did relatively well on pasteurized goat's milki before SCD.

> >

> > jessica

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I was amazed to hear that the B vitamins and foliate nearly DOUBLED in the

fermenting process of kefir…

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Renate Lindeman

Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 2:50 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: raw goat's milk experiment

We use raw goat's milk and make kefir for over two years now. That way all the

goodness is presereved while the lactose is mostly gone, and more good bugs and

enzymes are added by the kefir making it even easier to digest.

________________________________

From: Liz <elizabethsoliday@... <mailto:elizabethsoliday%40> >

<mailto: %40>

Sent: Sun, June 20, 2010 5:27:15 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: raw goat's milk experiment

Hi, my son was dairy free for quite some time and then I added yogurt back in

(this was about 2 years ago). At the time, I didn't see any difference, I was

convinced the diet didn't do anything for him, but in about a week my friend

started telling me that he was becoming aggressive again (hitting and pushing

mostly). Two weeks later it was obvious. Reactions to foods can be delayed,

which was the case in our situation.

> >

> > well, the info in this thread got me curious and i started googling. what i

read was convincing enough that i bought some raw goat's milk today for my three

kids who have been SCD since march 10, 2009 (well over 1 year). they have been

" drinking " pasteurized goat's milk that i had fermented into yogurt for over 24

hours. but i am interested to see how they do on the raw goat's milk.

> >

> > they did relatively well on pasteurized goat's milki before SCD.

> >

> > jessica

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I would try kefir if i could keep the milk long enough!! the kid's are downing

it...need another source to have enough milk to ferment!

> > >

> > > well, the info in this thread got me curious and i started googling. what

i read was convincing enough that i bought some raw goat's milk today for my

three kids who have been SCD since march 10, 2009 (well over 1 year). they have

been " drinking " pasteurized goat's milk that i had fermented into yogurt for

over 24 hours. but i am interested to see how they do on the raw goat's milk.

> > >

> > > they did relatively well on pasteurized goat's milki before SCD.

> > >

> > > jessica

> > >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

i have a question now:   l am enthusiastic about this topic and l had heard

about coconut kefir, but never about raw goat milk kefir..... can someone post

the recipe please??

TIA

isa

--- El dom 20-jun-10, arabella5c <jessicawitmer@...> escribió:

De: arabella5c <jessicawitmer@...>

Asunto: [ ] Re: raw goat's milk experiment

A:

Fecha: domingo, 20 de junio de 2010, 13:09

 

Absolutely...definately watching close to see what happens long term. Nothing

but positive results so far though.

[Guest guest]

I know this is a fun time for you, having the success with goat's milk... but I

would serve it in moderation. I just feel that way about all animal proteins.

Maybe they will all settle down after a few weeks of overindulgence themselves?

Still, I'm enjoying your happiness!

Pam

> > > >

> > > > well, the info in this thread got me curious and i started googling.

what i read was convincing enough that i bought some raw goat's milk today for

my three kids who have been SCD since march 10, 2009 (well over 1 year). they

have been " drinking " pasteurized goat's milk that i had fermented into yogurt

for over 24 hours. but i am interested to see how they do on the raw goat's

milk.

> > > >

> > > > they did relatively well on pasteurized goat's milki before SCD.

> > > >

> > > > jessica

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

You can ask the farmer about the sour taste -- male goats are so " musty "

smelling that sometimes the flavor is tainted by the smell of the . You

can also get raw cow's milk and sheep's milk and have the same effect on the

brain because of the EFAs. It is usually the pasteurization that causes issues.

Warm Regards,

Summer McFarland

1.22 HEAL KIDS

1.224.325.5437

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Over fourteen years of organic search engine optimization, marketing and design.

[Guest guest]

I think we need to do some more research on animal proteins…

They are finding out that LOW fat /LOW animal protein diets are the cause of

much of our health problems in the last 30-40 years. The low fat craze did not

work it made us sicker. Read Nourishing Traditions by Sally Falon.

Also just think of the Eskimo’s they eat 10lb of seal blubber and meat a day

and have NO increased cardiovascular risk and lower cancer rates.

My kids drank raw goat milk like the antidote was in it…. BECAUSE IT WAS!

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Pamela H

Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 9:08 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: raw goat's milk experiment

I know this is a fun time for you, having the success with goat's milk... but I

would serve it in moderation. I just feel that way about all animal proteins.

Maybe they will all settle down after a few weeks of overindulgence themselves?

Still, I'm enjoying your happiness!

Pam

> > > >

> > > > well, the info in this thread got me curious and i started googling.

what i read was convincing enough that i bought some raw goat's milk today for

my three kids who have been SCD since march 10, 2009 (well over 1 year). they

have been " drinking " pasteurized goat's milk that i had fermented into yogurt

for over 24 hours. but i am interested to see how they do on the raw goat's

milk.

> > > >

> > > > they did relatively well on pasteurized goat's milki before SCD.

> > > >

> > > > jessica

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

i agree more research on animal proteins has to be done; raw milk protein

research would be great.

My guess is some of the problem with the low fat/low protein diet craze was the

substitues (transfat) we were given, not so much the fact we were reducing our

fat and protein intake.

There is another book out there called " The China Syndrome " that gives pretty

convincing evidence that a diet that contains too much animal protein is a tumor

growth trigger.

I'm not trying to convince you that you are doing something wrong.

Pam

> > > > >

> > > > > well, the info in this thread got me curious and i started googling.

what i read was convincing enough that i bought some raw goat's milk today for

my three kids who have been SCD since march 10, 2009 (well over 1 year). they

have been " drinking " pasteurized goat's milk that i had fermented into yogurt

for over 24 hours. but i am interested to see how they do on the raw goat's

milk.

> > > > >

> > > > > they did relatively well on pasteurized goat's milki before SCD.

> > > > >

> > > > > jessica

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

That may be all well for Chinese people, I have not read the book(if that turns

out indeed to be true), but they are a very very isolated population and have

been for a very very long time. So to say what this population does better on

really does not translate…just like if you gave that Chinese diet to an

Eskimo… evolutionarily speaking the body cannot adapt that quick.. although it

does over generations. I think most of us are likely not Asian , or specifically

Chinese. It is something I dislike about studies in general….you could do one

study in one population and get a totally different outcomes.

this guy is the obesity guru .

It’s a long listen but you can do other things ..

I think looking at ones metabolic typing is important… I am a northern

European mutt I should be eating the traditional foods of these people most

likely. There are different cultures to make your yogurt/ kefir like products

that hail from specific geographic locations… you may try to introduce that

flora…

It’s very complex But the growing body of research out there is

(unadulterated) fats are much better than we have been brain washed to think.

Most of the studies done to say “fats and fried food were bad for

cardiovascular health were already using hydrogenated oils(or partially). They

used to say Coconut oil was BAD but it was one study over 40 years ago that used

hydrogenated coconut oil, NOW we all know and accept coconut oil is not only OK

but GREAT for you! So if you really look it was the original FAT studies that

were done with adulterated oils and then we were sold this eat grain and not

fresh meats and daily in which we actually evolved on. Science shows we evolved

becoming meat eaters. There must have been a reason. I am sorry but America

eats less and less animal proteins and we get sicker and sicker. The govt data

proves since we went low fat morality has risen. Our cardiovascular risk is the

same and the cancer and autoimmune dysfunction, autism and such go thru the

roof. We are putting in so many toxins in these days and without good nutrient

dense food our bodies cannot recover. B vitamins so essential to most of our

protocols is almost entirely from meat and dairy… are we surprised when we

look at our current high grain low fat modern diet and we are all deficient ?

How many vitamins are fat soluble?

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Pamela H

Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 12:19 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: raw goat's milk experiment

i agree more research on animal proteins has to be done; raw milk protein

research would be great.

My guess is some of the problem with the low fat/low protein diet craze was the

substitues (transfat) we were given, not so much the fact we were reducing our

fat and protein intake.

There is another book out there called " The China Syndrome " that gives pretty

convincing evidence that a diet that contains too much animal protein is a tumor

growth trigger.

I'm not trying to convince you that you are doing something wrong.

Pam

> > > > >

> > > > > well, the info in this thread got me curious and i started googling.

what i read was convincing enough that i bought some raw goat's milk today for

my three kids who have been SCD since march 10, 2009 (well over 1 year). they

have been " drinking " pasteurized goat's milk that i had fermented into yogurt

for over 24 hours. but i am interested to see how they do on the raw goat's

milk.

> > > > >

> > > > > they did relatively well on pasteurized goat's milki before SCD.

> > > > >

> > > > > jessica

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

http://users.sa.chariot.net.au/~dna/kefirpage.html

everything you want to know about kefir

Dom is the Andy of Kefir lol

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Aleida Isabel Guzman

Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 11:08 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: raw goat's milk experiment

i have a question now: l am enthusiastic about this topic and l had heard

about coconut kefir, but never about raw goat milk kefir..... can someone post

the recipe please??

TIA

isa

--- El dom 20-jun-10, arabella5c <jessicawitmer@...

<mailto:jessicawitmer%40verizon.net> > escribió:

De: arabella5c <jessicawitmer@... <mailto:jessicawitmer%40verizon.net> >

Asunto: [ ] Re: raw goat's milk experiment

A: <mailto: %40>

Fecha: domingo, 20 de junio de 2010, 13:09

Absolutely...definately watching close to see what happens long term. Nothing

but positive results so far though.

[Guest guest]

I would agree that sheep is the most similar but raw cow milk and war goat,

and not because of EFA but because of (most notably) medium chain fatty

acids and the specific profile. Goat milk is so notorious for these

healthful and vascular healing , cholesterol lowering miracle fats that they

name 3 of the medium chain fatty acids after the goat. caproic

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caproic_acid> acid (C6), caprylic acid

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caprylic_acid> (C8), capric acid

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capric_acid> (C10) Not only is goat milk have

almost 2 x the amount the combinations are different. Now my Nigerian dwarf

goat milk is very concentrated and they have almost 2x the fats as the

average goat milk. So it puts Sheep and goat milk at the top just on fatty

acid profile alone.. not to mention the vitamin minerals content. as we all

supplement most of these too, we wont the most for our buck. There are very

little EFA in dairy they are safflower and flax and such. also great fats

but different ones.

Taste . my goat milk is called sweet milk by all the kids and I make ice

cream from it at home. Musky or goatee or gamy milk in my experience e has

not been a buck or anything else . but vitamin and mineral deficiencies..

When they have that all straight mmmm that milk is sweet. If my milk is

just a tad off, I so and make sure everyone has selenium(the most common

dairy animal deficiency these days) and the milk is immediately better!

Funny does well on selenium too

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of thebestfedbaby

Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 11:13 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: raw goat's milk experiment

You can ask the farmer about the sour taste -- male goats are so " musty "

smelling that sometimes the flavor is tainted by the smell of the . You

can also get raw cow's milk and sheep's milk and have the same effect on the

brain because of the EFAs. It is usually the pasteurization that causes

issues.

Warm Regards,

Summer McFarland

1.22 HEAL KIDS

1.224.325.5437

----------------------------------------------------------

Over fourteen years of organic search engine optimization, marketing and

design.

[Guest guest]

If I start giving raw goat's milk to my son (preferably only kefir), can I also

use goat's milk in baking or for soup?

Then it isn't raw I presume and would be the same as pasturized? Not sure. I

think heating kills the good bacteria and changes the proteins?

Thanks,

Beth

[Guest guest]

It isn't just China they looked at (although it is the longest and most

comprehensive research study in the book; thus the name) and it does not single

out animal milk. You need to read it before you decide if it is worthwhile or

not. The fact that Chinese ARE an isolated population (rural Chinese) actually

makes the research results more convincing; not less. Fewer variables.

http://www.thechinastudy.com/about.html

It is a good book; what I've read so far. It addresses the common fallacies of

our diet, lifestyle and health in the US. It tries to show (and just might)

that nutrition has much more of an impact in controlling cancer than even the

initial carcinogen itself. Really, it kind of backs up what you say; not

contradicts it.

It looks at Alar (on apples), meat, dairy, gluten... in the lab and world-wide

epidemiological data.

What is has NOT addressed yet, and I will try to find out, is if any of the

research was done with unpasteurized milk. That would be an interesting factor,

no?

The average American diet provides up to twice the amount of recommended

protein. I'm not sure we are eating less of it, though there are those out

there who advocate it strongly. But, other factors like food quality, sugar

consumption, lack of exercise, vaccines, etc also play a role in our declining

health.

we need to go back to the basics. A diet moderate in all foods and rich in

activity. Probably won't happen, but one can dream.

Pam

> > > > > >

> > > > > > well, the info in this thread got me curious and i started googling.

what i read was convincing enough that i bought some raw goat's milk today for

my three kids who have been SCD since march 10, 2009 (well over 1 year). they

have been " drinking " pasteurized goat's milk that i had fermented into yogurt

for over 24 hours. but i am interested to see how they do on the raw goat's

milk.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > they did relatively well on pasteurized goat's milki before SCD.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > jessica

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

You got it !

Kefir I think stays alive a bit high temps(live cultures(I think 200

degrees) but most enzymes die at 140 degrees, so for the most part cooking

kills the good stuff and may likely damage the casein and if you had a

problem on pasteurized milk then . you get the picture

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Tom & Beth Mouser

Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 5:41 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: raw goat's milk experiment

If I start giving raw goat's milk to my son (preferably only kefir), can I

also use goat's milk in baking or for soup?

Then it isn't raw I presume and would be the same as pasturized? Not sure. I

think heating kills the good bacteria and changes the proteins?

Thanks,

Beth

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your concern. The reason I feel comfortable giving them this much

milk is b/c I am VERY sensitive to what causes a reaction in my kids. I know

what their problem is - yeast.

They have bacterial and fungal overgrowth. Being on SCD for 16 months has been

an amazing journey from day one. When my daughter was 10 mo. old I started

giving her (strictly) store-bought goat's milk that I had fermented for 24

hours. I diluted it and added honey to sweeten. She was absolutely miserable

for several weeks - she BEGGED me for her old milk. She was having such

terrible die-off.

Prior to this my daughter had fungus growing under her fingernails and in her

ear. Six rounds of antiobotics had food coming out of her in CHUNKS. sixteen

months of strict SCD and she still cannot digest many raw fruits and veggies.

AFter reading about raw milk, I was convinced that it would help their

digestion. I think that a lot of parent's using bio-med to treat their LO's

have a hard time discerning which symptoms are bad and which are good b/c yeast

die-off and bacterial die-off are so difficult.

All that to say, when I introduce a new food to my kids, the litmust test is -

how does it come out the other end? if the poop is solid, then great. if not,

then we have a problem.

This milk is HELPing my kids digest their food - therefore, they are calmer,

their eyes are not dilated like they are drunk, and they are not high on

bacterial and fungal toxins.

DIGESTION is the issue!! I think silly chicken is right - this stuff is liquid

gold!

> > > > >

> > > > > well, the info in this thread got me curious and i started googling.

what i read was convincing enough that i bought some raw goat's milk today for

my three kids who have been SCD since march 10, 2009 (well over 1 year). they

have been " drinking " pasteurized goat's milk that i had fermented into yogurt

for over 24 hours. but i am interested to see how they do on the raw goat's

milk.

> > > > >

> > > > > they did relatively well on pasteurized goat's milki before SCD.

> > > > >

> > > > > jessica

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

My body and metabolism has nothing to do with that of a Chinese person and even

if it were true for that population…. And it may .. it isn’t for the

Eskimo… it isn’t for my heritage either. Most research isn’t even relevant

between the sexes never mind the races. I have an open mind but I must

prioritize my time and research … as much as I would like to read everything

… . I have kids to heal and goats to milk and 20 brain lesions myself so my

time is limited.. . I see no benefit studying something that I could in no way

tie any relevance to me family on..its just NA Not applicable in my book But

like I said I will keep an open mind and you can try to convince me J lol Plus

my son has nearly recovered on our path… so I really trust my gut and where we

are going ..

I love your passion and I do think we agree on many more things than not.

The data I use is USA governmental statistics on citizen consumption (they have

kept these records like 100 years)and I will disagree with you… our protein

consumption is way down since the low fat craze and mortality went up not down.

Now that being said ,I do grow tons of organic veggies and we buy a lot of

organic fruit but the assimilation of those nutrient into the body needs that

animal fats. The immunoglobulin in real milk will heal the gut for better

absorption. Research CLA … in its natural unprocessed form… comes from

grass-fed dairy/meat. Not to mention MCFA ‘s

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Pamela H

Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 8:24 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: raw goat's milk experiment

It isn't just China they looked at (although it is the longest and most

comprehensive research study in the book; thus the name) and it does not single

out animal milk. You need to read it before you decide if it is worthwhile or

not. The fact that Chinese ARE an isolated population (rural Chinese) actually

makes the research results more convincing; not less. Fewer variables.

http://www.thechinastudy.com/about.html

It is a good book; what I've read so far. It addresses the common fallacies of

our diet, lifestyle and health in the US. It tries to show (and just might) that

nutrition has much more of an impact in controlling cancer than even the initial

carcinogen itself. Really, it kind of backs up what you say; not contradicts it.

It looks at Alar (on apples), meat, dairy, gluten... in the lab and world-wide

epidemiological data.

What is has NOT addressed yet, and I will try to find out, is if any of the

research was done with unpasteurized milk. That would be an interesting factor,

no?

The average American diet provides up to twice the amount of recommended

protein. I'm not sure we are eating less of it, though there are those out there

who advocate it strongly. But, other factors like food quality, sugar

consumption, lack of exercise, vaccines, etc also play a role in our declining

health.

we need to go back to the basics. A diet moderate in all foods and rich in

activity. Probably won't happen, but one can dream.

Pam

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> > > > > > well, the info in this thread got me curious and i started googling.

what i read was convincing enough that i bought some raw goat's milk today for

my three kids who have been SCD since march 10, 2009 (well over 1 year). they

have been " drinking " pasteurized goat's milk that i had fermented into yogurt

for over 24 hours. but i am interested to see how they do on the raw goat's

milk.

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[Guest guest]

Yeah, that..

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> > > > > > > well, the info in this thread got me curious and i started

googling. what i read was convincing enough that i bought some raw goat's milk

today for my three kids who have been SCD since march 10, 2009 (well over 1

year). they have been " drinking " pasteurized goat's milk that i had fermented

into yogurt for over 24 hours. but i am interested to see how they do on the raw

goat's milk.

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> > > > > > > they did relatively well on pasteurized goat's milki before SCD.

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> > > > > > > jessica

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[Guest guest]

You are welcome to join my facebook and look at my son at his graduation

today… 2 years ago he didn’t speak at all and spent the days making patterns

in my carpet… come see.. and believe whatever you want. I have a healthy

child.. I don’t have to be here posting , and in the Gods honest truth I am

sick myself with 20 brain lesions, I chose to spend my time sharing this with

you. I feel morally obligated to . You can chose to ignore what worked for us

that is your choice, you must follow your gut to, as I do believe not all kids

are on the spectrum are exhibiting these behaviors for the same reason. The

diagnosis is a group of a certain number of symptoms… one must admit it is

feasible to have a symptom in common and a different cause. Therefore I will

wish you well as you follow your path. Please feel free to check out my little

man and our success on FB.

Good luck!

Crystal Palmer BUll

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Liz

Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 1:44 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: raw goat's milk experiment

Yeah, that..

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> > > > > > > well, the info in this thread got me curious and i started

googling. what i read was convincing enough that i bought some raw goat's milk

today for my three kids who have been SCD since march 10, 2009 (well over 1

year). they have been " drinking " pasteurized goat's milk that i had fermented

into yogurt for over 24 hours. but i am interested to see how they do on the raw

goat's milk.

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> > > > > > > they did relatively well on pasteurized goat's milki before SCD.

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> > > > > > > jessica

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[Guest guest]

It wasn't raw , and it wasn't raw goat was it?

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Liz

Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 12:27 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: raw goat's milk experiment

Hi, my son was dairy free for quite some time and then I added yogurt back

in (this was about 2 years ago). At the time, I didn't see any difference, I

was convinced the diet didn't do anything for him, but in about a week my

friend started telling me that he was becoming aggressive again (hitting and

pushing mostly). Two weeks later it was obvious. Reactions to foods can be

delayed, which was the case in our situation.

> >

> > well, the info in this thread got me curious and i started googling.

what i read was convincing enough that i bought some raw goat's milk today

for my three kids who have been SCD since march 10, 2009 (well over 1 year).

they have been " drinking " pasteurized goat's milk that i had fermented into

yogurt for over 24 hours. but i am interested to see how they do on the raw

goat's milk.

> >

> > they did relatively well on pasteurized goat's milki before SCD.

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> > jessica

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