Guest guest Posted May 5, 2010 Report Share Posted May 5, 2010 Don't do improper chelation and you will be fine. Follow the Andy Cutler protocol, which is low and frequent dosing. Give the supporting supplements, which you can read about in the files section of the group. Very safe and effective. TJ ________________________________ From: rebeccaundd <rcuthomas@...> Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 9:57:17 AM Subject: [ ] Re: chelating " mild case " or " high-functioning " kids  TJ, thank you for your reply. It's very helpful to have this spelled out such that we can set expectations (so a proper course will take years, involving loads of supplements) . Any parents out there with mild or high-functioning kids who had any trouble chelating? I'm afraid of doing anything wrong and making our almost-normal- seeming kid worse, so I'm hoping to learn what *not* to do before we embark on this. Thanks again, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2010 Report Share Posted May 5, 2010 4 recovered kids! That is amazing. Nothing is more encouraging than success stories. danasview wrote: > > > > I'm wondering whether parents with " high-functioning " or " mild case " > PDD children have used chelation. > > I chelated one severe child, one moderate child, two mild children, > and one adult. I used ALA. > > >>If so, did your child end up better or worse when you stopped chelating, > > Better. All four are recovered now, altho it took more than just > chelation to get here. > > >>and when and why did you stop chelating? > > When it was no longer required. > > >>What was the child's environment like when you started > chelating--weather, season, stresses, illnesses (our boy has gut > issues [but no parasites, according to stool test], swollen tonsils, > regular sleep interruptions [some due to apnea], and perhaps spring > allergies), ...? > > I don't understand this question. > > >>What short list of supplements did you find absolutely essential? > > My kids required a " long list " , not a short list. > > Dana > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2010 Report Share Posted May 5, 2010 Yes, you got it right. A few more points. - Testing is not always conclusive, you could get a false negative. It is only used to convince you to start chelating. - You could do a ten round " trial " of chelation. If you get results, it is proof positive of heavy metal intoxication. - Never use lab results to determine when to stop chelation. You stop when the child is " all better " . - If a child reacts positively to a GFCF diet or an elimination diet created from an Igg test, it is highly likely they are toxic. The metals affect the body's ability to produce enzymes and other systems in the body that enable the child to digest dairy, wheat, and other foods properly. Dairy and wheat are the most common. TJ ________________________________ From: its_the_mercury <its_the_mercury@...> Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 11:10:12 AM Subject: [ ] Re: chelating " mild case " or " high-functioning " kids  > Don't do improper chelation and you will be fine. Follow the Andy Cutler protocol, which is low and frequent dosing. So, to be completely clear, would the following be a safe program following the AC protocol: For our almost-4-year- old who weighs 38 pounds, 10mg of ALA (I've read Kirkland ALA 25mg is good, and not ®-Lipoic Acid) every three hours (every four hours at night) for three days, then four days off. If he tolerates that well, and as he gains weight (though he's lost his appetite recently and may not gain much), then we might increase the dosage to 15mg or 20mg, then keep it there consistently for months or years till we stop the chelation process altogether. Again, this assumes the hair test results confirm mercury intoxication. Have I got this right? > Give the supporting supplements, which you can read about in the files section of the group. Thank you for the pointer to " Supplement file.htm " ! I hadn't gotten around to looking at the Files at all (obviously). > Very safe and effective. Excellent. I'm looking forward to getting our hair test done so we can know what we're dealing with. Thank you, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2010 Report Share Posted May 7, 2010 Is 8 rounds of DMSA normal or can you introduce the ALA veyr quickly, eg after 1 round? From: awhi2110@... Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 10:21:55 +0000 Subject: [ ] Re: chelating " mild case " or " high-functioning " kids Hi For your consideration, our biomed recommended starting with DMSA first - it doesn't cross the blood brain barrier so it won't carry metals from the body into the brain. Once you've done 8 rounds of DMSA (clearing some of the load from the body) then add in the ALA and you start to remove toxic metals from the brain. You are doing great. Kind regards, Alison W > > Hi Alison, > > Thank you for the short list. Just from our attempts to correct his gut issues, we've coincidentally got our son on all but the GSE (I will check that out) and milk thistle (I just picked some up today). We introduced enzymes a few days ago and they seem to help his appetite. Today also I got taurine and epsom salts and, on his ND's advice, glycine. Our boy's organic acids test results show him very high in stress, very in need of antioxidants (vitamin C and E), having difficulty detoxifying (liver isn't working well), with very high intestinal bacterial overgrowth (presumably yeast). Based on Amalgam Illness (p. 189), I'll explore the sulfur food exclusion diet. > > At this point, my husband and I are thinking we should start chelating immediately: do the hair test when it arrives in the mail, then start 5mg ALA every 3 hours for 3 days, 4 days off; when the hair test results come back, add low-dose DMSA depending on what it says. I'm a little nervous to proceed when I haven't read both Cutler books entirely, but, given everything we do know, chelation seems the best course of action. > > > _________________________________________________________________ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/197222280/direct/01/ Do you have a story that started on Hotmail? Tell us now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2010 Report Share Posted May 7, 2010 You can start with ALA right away as long as there have been no amalgam fillings or recent mercury exposure. TJ ________________________________ From: B <peter_2_@...> autism mercury <autism treatment > Sent: Fri, May 7, 2010 3:27:59 AM Subject: RE: [ ] Re: chelating " mild case " or " high-functioning " kids Is 8 rounds of DMSA normal or can you introduce the ALA veyr quickly, eg after 1 round? From: awhi2110@... Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 10:21:55 +0000 Subject: [ ] Re: chelating " mild case " or " high-functioning " kids Hi For your consideration, our biomed recommended starting with DMSA first - it doesn't cross the blood brain barrier so it won't carry metals from the body into the brain. Once you've done 8 rounds of DMSA (clearing some of the load from the body) then add in the ALA and you start to remove toxic metals from the brain. You are doing great. Kind regards, Alison W > > Hi Alison, > > Thank you for the short list. Just from our attempts to correct his gut issues, we've coincidentally got our son on all but the GSE (I will check that out) and milk thistle (I just picked some up today). We introduced enzymes a few days ago and they seem to help his appetite. Today also I got taurine and epsom salts and, on his ND's advice, glycine. Our boy's organic acids test results show him very high in stress, very in need of antioxidants (vitamin C and E), having difficulty detoxifying (liver isn't working well), with very high intestinal bacterial overgrowth (presumably yeast). Based on Amalgam Illness (p. 189), I'll explore the sulfur food exclusion diet. > > At this point, my husband and I are thinking we should start chelating immediately: do the hair test when it arrives in the mail, then start 5mg ALA every 3 hours for 3 days, 4 days off; when the hair test results come back, add low-dose DMSA depending on what it says. I'm a little nervous to proceed when I haven't read both Cutler books entirely, but, given everything we do know, chelation seems the best course of action. > > > _________________________________________________________________ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/197222280/direct/01/ Do you have a story that started on Hotmail? Tell us now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2010 Report Share Posted May 8, 2010 Yesterday, I was looking for a certain kind of syringe with which we give our son's oral NGF treatment since two years ago (some of you might know this treatment, Dr Aguilar in Chihuahua, MX) this treatment closed epileptogenic focus activitity showing in our son's EEG. Well, I stopped at 8 drugstores, they didn't have those, at the end, I stopped at a big drugstore, I was paying, when a 20 something young man came to me saying; " water-water " ....I immediately knew he suffers autism (I then thought how that thing called " casualty " works that l had to meet this young guy and his mom there...). His mom approached and said: stop it Jesus, you already had your water.... I immediately told her: your young man has autism, right? She nodded and looked away, obviously tired of people pushing him away.... I said there is so much WE could do to help him...she said: well, he is on all kinds of drugs, I just gave him 15 MG!!! Ativan with his water (OMG, that dose would put a horse to sleep)and there he was, full blown hyperactivity.... My heart broke, she has never done a diet, never heard of it, never heard of chelation, never heard of any kind of protocol... I have an appointment with her next week to try to explain why she should try AC chelation.... Am I being too aggressive trying to put a full-under drugs 21 yo man on chelation even if he has never been on a diet or any yeast treatment? The whole time he was yelling and pulling his privates, so he seems to me to be very aggressively invaded by yeast as a SE of HM poisoning. This guy was vaccinated in the 90's.... Is it dangerous to try to chelate a person who is so full under drugs? Can it, as much as I mean to help, cause more damage if the mother can't wean him off drugs and start chelation? I know it might seem late for him, but they both looked so sad and tired, I think the least I could do is try. Please someone respond if you have treated/known a person this age who is so full of drugs...and chelating successfully. TIA for your time. Isa Enviado desde mi oficina móvil BlackBerry® de Telcel [ ] Re: chelating " mild case " or " high-functioning " kids You may want to check post #40859 for Andy's recommended dosing for children. I would start very, very low. You can always go up, but if you start high (25 mg is VERY high for a 4 yo, imo) and redistribute/regress your child, you'll regret it and it can take a long time to recover. Speaking from experience... > > Hi Alison, > > Thank you for passing on your biomed's recommendation. Yesterday I ordered 25mg DMSA from vrp.com and 25mg ALA from Kirkman.com. I was wondering whether to try DMSA first for exactly that reason. Whatever gets delivered first might get priority, but I'll discuss with hubbie. > > > You are doing great. > > Thanks for the moral support! > > I'm really heartened to have found this group (through the GenerationRescue.org site). The resources here are invaluable. Someone who responded to me privately on this thread casually mentioned that her 14-month-old had slightly delayed speech development and issues with, of all things, swinging and rocking motions. Our 14-month-old has just started having big trouble swinging recently, and my husband and I had no idea it might be PDD-related. So we're likely going to chelate her at the same time we start our son, with a tiny dosage but on the same schedule. I ordered her hair test yesterday. > > Thanks again, > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2010 Report Share Posted May 8, 2010 Ps: he has 4 more " anti-psyschotic " drugs on... Enviado desde mi oficina móvil BlackBerry® de Telcel [ ] Re: chelating " mild case " or " high-functioning " kids You may want to check post #40859 for Andy's recommended dosing for children. I would start very, very low. You can always go up, but if you start high (25 mg is VERY high for a 4 yo, imo) and redistribute/regress your child, you'll regret it and it can take a long time to recover. Speaking from experience... > > Hi Alison, > > Thank you for passing on your biomed's recommendation. Yesterday I ordered 25mg DMSA from vrp.com and 25mg ALA from Kirkman.com. I was wondering whether to try DMSA first for exactly that reason. Whatever gets delivered first might get priority, but I'll discuss with hubbie. > > > You are doing great. > > Thanks for the moral support! > > I'm really heartened to have found this group (through the GenerationRescue.org site). The resources here are invaluable. Someone who responded to me privately on this thread casually mentioned that her 14-month-old had slightly delayed speech development and issues with, of all things, swinging and rocking motions. Our 14-month-old has just started having big trouble swinging recently, and my husband and I had no idea it might be PDD-related. So we're likely going to chelate her at the same time we start our son, with a tiny dosage but on the same schedule. I ordered her hair test yesterday. > > Thanks again, > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2010 Report Share Posted October 6, 2010 Hello Kay, We stopped this 3 months ago, we got some gains from that, but not all we expected :-( I have seen kids gain so much w that so it was clear to us after 2.5 yrs doing it, that either : 1. My kid was not the best candidate for it. 2. It was not what he really needed, so we stopped. If you need more details regarding this treatment, don't hesitate to ask... Blessings, Isa Enviado desde mi oficina móvil BlackBerry® de Telcel [ ] Re: chelating " mild case " or " high-functioning " kids Hi Isa, Are you still doing the NGF treatment? How is it going? Kay > > > > Hi Alison, > > > > Thank you for passing on your biomed's recommendation. Yesterday I ordered 25mg DMSA from vrp.com and 25mg ALA from Kirkman.com. I was wondering whether to try DMSA first for exactly that reason. Whatever gets delivered first might get priority, but I'll discuss with hubbie. > > > > > You are doing great. > > > > Thanks for the moral support! > > > > I'm really heartened to have found this group (through the GenerationRescue.org site). The resources here are invaluable. Someone who responded to me privately on this thread casually mentioned that her 14-month-old had slightly delayed speech development and issues with, of all things, swinging and rocking motions. Our 14-month-old has just started having big trouble swinging recently, and my husband and I had no idea it might be PDD-related. So we're likely going to chelate her at the same time we start our son, with a tiny dosage but on the same schedule. I ordered her hair test yesterday. > > > > Thanks again, > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2010 Report Share Posted October 7, 2010 Hi Im very very intresting of dr Aguilar treetment as i wanted to do it could you please give me more info and if you can details for him as i would like to give a start but info is very less and i couldnt find any phone or contact details. best regards Ralitsa From: KayS <kty01@...> Subject: [ ] Re: chelating " mild case " or " high-functioning " kids Date: Wednesday, 6 October, 2010, 4:26 Â Hi Isa, Are you still doing the NGF treatment? How is it going? Kay > > > > Hi Alison, > > > > Thank you for passing on your biomed's recommendation. Yesterday I ordered 25mg DMSA from vrp.com and 25mg ALA from Kirkman.com. I was wondering whether to try DMSA first for exactly that reason. Whatever gets delivered first might get priority, but I'll discuss with hubbie. > > > > > You are doing great. > > > > Thanks for the moral support! > > > > I'm really heartened to have found this group (through the GenerationRescue.org site). The resources here are invaluable. Someone who responded to me privately on this thread casually mentioned that her 14-month-old had slightly delayed speech development and issues with, of all things, swinging and rocking motions. Our 14-month-old has just started having big trouble swinging recently, and my husband and I had no idea it might be PDD-related. So we're likely going to chelate her at the same time we start our son, with a tiny dosage but on the same schedule. I ordered her hair test yesterday. > > > > Thanks again, > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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