Re: Re: Sudden paleness & lips turning white after a minor injury - Jan

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If he does faint/go in and out of consciesness(sorry if this is spelt

wrong),..make sure to lay him down with his feet up and cover him with a

blanket..In hindsight, I should have called the ambo's, as it was scary watching

my brother react that way..his gf took him to emergency at the hospital but by

then he was kind of fine although still felt cold/clamminess and emergency

thought he wasn't 'in need to be seen straight away..they ended up leaving

the hospital after a couple of hours, after he came right, and now has a

nasty scar on his finger. I always thought it weird and sometimes think about

how a cut on the finger can actually make you pass out and I originally laughed

at him afterward because I thought he fainted from the sight of his own blood,

but now I know differently(am about to read up about adrenal response and see

what I can find.

Donna.

Mum to C-ASD-5

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From: Andree <mam78@...>

Sent: Sun, 10 January, 2010 10:22:23 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Sudden paleness & lips turning white after a minor

injury - Jan

 

Thank you everyone for your replies.

Jan, what is aconite? Have you used it & does it really help? My DAN prescribed

Ribes Nigrum homeopathic remedy for DS, which contains ginseng for adrenal

support. It doesn't seem to be helping much so far.

I agree with you all that DS's reaction was like shock. Since this this

happened, I'm really concerned that he could actually go into shock if he has a

more serious injury. His poor adrenal function is definitely related to this and

I re-read that poor adrenal response puts people at risk of shock (Jeffries,

Safe Uses of Cortisol).

I have to find a doctor who will treat him since so far, no Dr is willing to

prescribe HC, which I think he may also need. None of the natural supps have

helped. Maybe I should also have an epi shot on hand in case he ever does go

into shock!

DS had another incident yesterday. He went to a friend's birthday party and was

brought home within 30 minutes because he got " very afraid, pale and wanted to

go home " after watching a video with other boys his age. (Sounds like it was

's thriller video. He was petrified of the werewolf creatures.)

He was so frightened that he had to sit next to me holding my arm throughout

dinner and refused to be alone anywhere in the house yesterday. He slept with us

last night and even this morning the first thing he said was that he is still

afraid. He's never reacted with so much fear to an incident and he seems to be

getting more fearful and anxious as he gets older.

Any more advice is welcome, though I think I have to get a doctor to help.

> >

> > This has to do with blood pressure..My brother once accidentally stabbed

himself in the end of his finger with a pocket knife, was a deep wound, but

didn't bleed for long..he 'went into shock' from this and was very scary

watching him go in and out of consciesness and speaking 'drivel'...he later

recalled having a 'horrible dreamlike/nightmare unlike that of any other he

had ever had whilst sleeping'. I have also had the same thing happen to me from

just being winded. The body does funny things in these kind of situations, I

believe to 'protect us'.

> > Exerpt: 'Neurally Mediated Hypertension' , which is Low blood pressure, can

occur if you have an unpleasant, upsetting or scary experience.

> > Donna

> > Aussie mum to C-ASD-5

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I'm in this right now. The topical PG built up in my body and caused too much

bleeding.

Why iron? I wondered about DHEA but none of the testing seems to point to it?

Barb

[ ] Re: Sudden paleness & lips turning white after a

minor injury - Jan

Have you checked adrenal and thyroid function? I can't remember what you've

told us.

I went through about a year of constant 'flight or fight' response from my

body. It was due to perimenopause, but it certainly IS destructive. I can't

imagine dealing with it as a child. My problems were controlled with DHEA, iron

(of all things), topical progesterone and reducing sugars/increasing proteins.

I know a perimenopausal woman and a young boy are different creatures!

Have you had a DDI Hair test recently?

So sorry.

Pam

> > >

> > > This has to do with blood pressure..My brother once accidentally stabbed

himself in the end of his finger with a pocket knife, was a deep wound, but

didn't bleed for long..he 'went into shock' from this and was very scary

watching him go in and out of consciesness and speaking 'drivel'...he later

recalled having a 'horrible dreamlike/nightmare unlike that of any other he had

ever had whilst sleeping'. I have also had the same thing happen to me from just

being winded. The body does funny things in these kind of situations, I believe

to 'protect us'.

> > > Exerpt: 'Neurally Mediated Hypertension', which is Low blood pressure,

can occur if you have an unpleasant, upsetting or scary experience.

> > > Donna

> > > Aussie mum to C-ASD-5

>

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----- Original Message -----

From: Shepard Salzer

Sounds like vasovagal syncope:

====>Ours had this, fainting spells anytime she got hurt. Lots of magnesium

500 IU per day, and none for the last three years.

" The “stimulus†that triggers a vasovagal episode can be any one of

hundreds of things. As already noted, pain is a common cause of fainting. Other

common triggering events include the sight of blood, receiving upsetting news,

or standing motionless for long periods.

Anyone can have vasovagal syncope given an adequate triggering event, but many

people are particularly prone to these episodes, and often with relatively mild

triggers... While, as noted, there are scores of possible triggering events for

vasovagal syncope, some are quite characteristic and almost always point to

vasovagal syncope. Syncope... associated with pain, fright, the sight of blood,

or other noxious stimuli, is almost always vasovagal. "

http://heartdisease.about.com/cs/arrhythmias/a/Syncope2_2.htm

I have this and have to lay down for blood draws because I will end up that

way, even finger stick ones, beginning when I was a kid. He can learn to

recognize potential triggers and either remove himself from the situations,

avoid them, or position himself with head lower than heart. Adequate hydration

is also important.

S S

Re: Sudden paleness & lips turning white after a minor injury - Jan

Posted by: " Andree " mam78@... iam2l84t

Sun Jan 10, 2010 3:22 am (PST)

Thank you everyone for your replies.

Jan, what is aconite? Have you used it & does it really help? My DAN

prescribed Ribes Nigrum homeopathic remedy for DS, which contains ginseng for

adrenal support. It doesn't seem to be helping much so far.

I agree with you all that DS's reaction was like shock. Since this this

happened, I'm really concerned that he could actually go into shock if he has a

more serious injury. His poor adrenal function is definitely related to this and

I re-read that poor adrenal response puts people at risk of shock (Jeffries,

Safe Uses of Cortisol).

I have to find a doctor who will treat him since so far, no Dr is willing to

prescribe HC, which I think he may also need. None of the natural supps have

helped. Maybe I should also have an epi shot on hand in case he ever does go

into shock!

DS had another incident yesterday. He went to a friend's birthday party and

was brought home within 30 minutes because he got " very afraid, pale and wanted

to go home " after watching a video with other boys his age. (Sounds like it was

's thriller video. He was petrified of the werewolf creatures.)

He was so frightened that he had to sit next to me holding my arm throughout

dinner and refused to be alone anywhere in the house yesterday. He slept with us

last night and even this morning the first thing he said was that he is still

afraid. He's never reacted with so much fear to an incident and he seems to be

getting more fearful and anxious as he gets older.

Any more advice is welcome, though I think I have to get a doctor to help.

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