Re: Why can't I tolerate certain basic vitamins?

[Guest guest]

have you tried magnesium malate? other forms of magnesium are reputed to feed

stealth l-form bacteria infections. same issue with any vitamin d if you have

any issue with l-form bacteria.

>

> My hair test shows deranged mineral transport and I'm wondering if that is

causing this. I can't tolerate oral magnesium, B12 or even 1000iu of vit d. I

become exhausted for days from even 50mg of oral magnesium or 1000mcg of B12.

Does anyone have any thoughts on why this would be? Or anything I can do? I

started taking calcium, but still can only tolerate a small amount of

transdermal magnesium oil. I also take milk thistle, vitamin E, a b complex,

zinc, cod liver oil, digestive enzymes, molybdenum and vitamin C. I'm on my 4th

round of 25 mg each of DMSA and ALA and feel really good. But I'm especially

worried about not getting enough magnesium while chelating.

> Thanks!

> Joy

>

[Guest guest]

I will look into the malate. I've tried citrate and glycinate. What are the

treatments for L-bacteria?

Thanks for your time!

Joy

> >

> > My hair test shows deranged mineral transport and I'm wondering if that is

causing this. I can't tolerate oral magnesium, B12 or even 1000iu of vit d. I

become exhausted for days from even 50mg of oral magnesium or 1000mcg of B12.

Does anyone have any thoughts on why this would be? Or anything I can do? I

started taking calcium, but still can only tolerate a small amount of

transdermal magnesium oil. I also take milk thistle, vitamin E, a b complex,

zinc, cod liver oil, digestive enzymes, molybdenum and vitamin C. I'm on my 4th

round of 25 mg each of DMSA and ALA and feel really good. But I'm especially

worried about not getting enough magnesium while chelating.

> > Thanks!

> > Joy

> >

>

[Guest guest]

still working on that a bit. I used SSKI a form of iodine and chanca piedra

extract to vit d receptors in my son and myself, together with rife. the l form

bacteria is a more gradual process. taking variety of supplements, many

designed to clean out a variety of metals, including the following the cutler

protocol. less metals means better immunity.

> > >

> > > My hair test shows deranged mineral transport and I'm wondering if that is

causing this. I can't tolerate oral magnesium, B12 or even 1000iu of vit d. I

become exhausted for days from even 50mg of oral magnesium or 1000mcg of B12.

Does anyone have any thoughts on why this would be? Or anything I can do? I

started taking calcium, but still can only tolerate a small amount of

transdermal magnesium oil. I also take milk thistle, vitamin E, a b complex,

zinc, cod liver oil, digestive enzymes, molybdenum and vitamin C. I'm on my 4th

round of 25 mg each of DMSA and ALA and feel really good. But I'm especially

worried about not getting enough magnesium while chelating.

> > > Thanks!

> > > Joy

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

May I ask what exactly is l-form bacteria?

Donna.

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From: jcgre <johngrellner@...>

Sent: Tue, 13 April, 2010 7:21:49 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: Why can't I tolerate certain basic vitamins?

 

have you tried magnesium malate? other forms of magnesium are reputed to feed

stealth l-form bacteria infections. same issue with any vitamin d if you have

any issue with l-form bacteria.

>

> My hair test shows deranged mineral transport and I'm wondering if that is

causing this. I can't tolerate oral magnesium, B12 or even 1000iu of vit d. I

become exhausted for days from even 50mg of oral magnesium or 1000mcg of B12.

Does anyone have any thoughts on why this would be? Or anything I can do? I

started taking calcium, but still can only tolerate a small amount of

transdermal magnesium oil. I also take milk thistle, vitamin E, a b complex,

zinc, cod liver oil, digestive enzymes, molybdenum and vitamin C. I'm on my 4th

round of 25 mg each of DMSA and ALA and feel really good. But I'm especially

worried about not getting enough magnesium while chelating.

> Thanks!

> Joy

>

May

[Guest guest]

> My hair test shows deranged mineral transport and I'm wondering if that is

causing this. I can't tolerate oral magnesium, B12 or even 1000iu of vit d.

I required taurine before I tolerated magnesium. My son required folic acid,

B2, and carnitine before he tolerated B12. And for three of us here, 1000 IU of

vitamin D was too much.

Dana

[Guest guest]

My son is the same way. I have asked multiple times but noone has ever answered

my questions. My son cannot tolerate magnesium, calcium, or zinc. He loses all

attention (what little he has) and ability to focus. This is the first time I

ever heard anyone mention magnesium causing any type of bacteria. Do you have

any other information on this? I believe I have tried all types...

> >

> > My hair test shows deranged mineral transport and I'm wondering if that is

causing this. I can't tolerate oral magnesium, B12 or even 1000iu of vit d. I

become exhausted for days from even 50mg of oral magnesium or 1000mcg of B12.

Does anyone have any thoughts on why this would be? Or anything I can do? I

started taking calcium, but still can only tolerate a small amount of

transdermal magnesium oil. I also take milk thistle, vitamin E, a b complex,

zinc, cod liver oil, digestive enzymes, molybdenum and vitamin C. I'm on my 4th

round of 25 mg each of DMSA and ALA and feel really good. But I'm especially

worried about not getting enough magnesium while chelating.

> > Thanks!

> > Joy

> >

>

[Guest guest]

http://bacteriality.com/2007/08/15/l-forms/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L-form_bacteria

> >

> > My hair test shows deranged mineral transport and I'm wondering if that is

causing this. I can't tolerate oral magnesium, B12 or even 1000iu of vit d. I

become exhausted for days from even 50mg of oral magnesium or 1000mcg of B12.

Does anyone have any thoughts on why this would be? Or anything I can do? I

started taking calcium, but still can only tolerate a small amount of

transdermal magnesium oil. I also take milk thistle, vitamin E, a b complex,

zinc, cod liver oil, digestive enzymes, molybdenum and vitamin C. I'm on my 4th

round of 25 mg each of DMSA and ALA and feel really good. But I'm especially

worried about not getting enough magnesium while chelating.

> > Thanks!

> > Joy

> >

>

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> May

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[Guest guest]

- this is a very new and murky area of research. Here is some information:

http://bacteriality.com/2007/08/15/l-forms/

but we also must remember that some metals are used by organisms, including in

biofilms. this includes things like calcium, copper, mercury, lead etc.

> > >

> > > My hair test shows deranged mineral transport and I'm wondering if that is

causing this. I can't tolerate oral magnesium, B12 or even 1000iu of vit d. I

become exhausted for days from even 50mg of oral magnesium or 1000mcg of B12.

Does anyone have any thoughts on why this would be? Or anything I can do? I

started taking calcium, but still can only tolerate a small amount of

transdermal magnesium oil. I also take milk thistle, vitamin E, a b complex,

zinc, cod liver oil, digestive enzymes, molybdenum and vitamin C. I'm on my 4th

round of 25 mg each of DMSA and ALA and feel really good. But I'm especially

worried about not getting enough magnesium while chelating.

> > > Thanks!

> > > Joy

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

andy cutler book says that mag should be given with taurine it helps in

absorption of mag

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From: <ckrupa3672@...>

Sent: Tue, April 13, 2010 6:38:43 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Why can't I tolerate certain basic vitamins?

My son is the same way. I have asked multiple times but noone has ever answered

my questions. My son cannot tolerate magnesium, calcium, or zinc. He loses all

attention (what little he has) and ability to focus. This is the first time I

ever heard anyone mention magnesium causing any type of bacteria. Do you have

any other information on this? I believe I have tried all types...

> >

> > My hair test shows deranged mineral transport and I'm wondering if that is

causing this. I can't tolerate oral magnesium, B12 or even 1000iu of vit d. I

become exhausted for days from even 50mg of oral magnesium or 1000mcg of B12.

Does anyone have any thoughts on why this would be? Or anything I can do? I

started taking calcium, but still can only tolerate a small amount of

transdermal magnesium oil. I also take milk thistle, vitamin E, a b complex,

zinc, cod liver oil, digestive enzymes, molybdenum and vitamin C. I'm on my 4th

round of 25 mg each of DMSA and ALA and feel really good. But I'm especially

worried about not getting enough magnesium while chelating.

> > Thanks!

> > Joy

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dana - How did you know you needed taurine?

> > My hair test shows deranged mineral transport and I'm wondering if that is

causing this. I can't tolerate oral magnesium, B12 or even 1000iu of vit d.

>

>

> I required taurine before I tolerated magnesium. My son required folic acid,

B2, and carnitine before he tolerated B12. And for three of us here, 1000 IU of

vitamin D was too much.

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

,

Thanks for the post. Is this connected to the " biofilm protocol " that Dr. Usman

has documented? She suggests using enzymes (to break up the biofilm - which

could contain calcium,...) and chelators (I believe EDTA) to dislodge the metals

so the bugs are then exposed to the immune system.

> > > >

> > > > My hair test shows deranged mineral transport and I'm wondering if that

is causing this. I can't tolerate oral magnesium, B12 or even 1000iu of vit d.

I become exhausted for days from even 50mg of oral magnesium or 1000mcg of B12.

Does anyone have any thoughts on why this would be? Or anything I can do? I

started taking calcium, but still can only tolerate a small amount of

transdermal magnesium oil. I also take milk thistle, vitamin E, a b complex,

zinc, cod liver oil, digestive enzymes, molybdenum and vitamin C. I'm on my 4th

round of 25 mg each of DMSA and ALA and feel really good. But I'm especially

worried about not getting enough magnesium while chelating.

> > > > Thanks!

> > > > Joy

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I believe there is a relationship. I used the kirkman labs biofilm enzymes for

months, but was not chelating at the time. I suspect that Cutler protocal with

the biofilm enzymes would be better than enzymes alone. I don't think I would

do edta. these pathogens are very adept at hiding from the immune system.

using metals in biofilms appears to part of the mechanism.

> > > > >

> > > > > My hair test shows deranged mineral transport and I'm wondering if

that is causing this. I can't tolerate oral magnesium, B12 or even 1000iu of

vit d. I become exhausted for days from even 50mg of oral magnesium or 1000mcg

of B12. Does anyone have any thoughts on why this would be? Or anything I can

do? I started taking calcium, but still can only tolerate a small amount of

transdermal magnesium oil. I also take milk thistle, vitamin E, a b complex,

zinc, cod liver oil, digestive enzymes, molybdenum and vitamin C. I'm on my 4th

round of 25 mg each of DMSA and ALA and feel really good. But I'm especially

worried about not getting enough magnesium while chelating.

> > > > > Thanks!

> > > > > Joy

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I believe there is a relationship. I used the kirkman labs biofilm enzymes for

months, but was not chelating at the time. I suspect that Cutler protocal with

the biofilm enzymes would be better than enzymes alone. I don't think I would

do edta. these pathogens are very adept at hiding from the immune system.

using metals in biofilms appears to part of the mechanism.

> > > > >

> > > > > My hair test shows deranged mineral transport and I'm wondering if

that is causing this. I can't tolerate oral magnesium, B12 or even 1000iu of

vit d. I become exhausted for days from even 50mg of oral magnesium or 1000mcg

of B12. Does anyone have any thoughts on why this would be? Or anything I can

do? I started taking calcium, but still can only tolerate a small amount of

transdermal magnesium oil. I also take milk thistle, vitamin E, a b complex,

zinc, cod liver oil, digestive enzymes, molybdenum and vitamin C. I'm on my 4th

round of 25 mg each of DMSA and ALA and feel really good. But I'm especially

worried about not getting enough magnesium while chelating.

> > > > > Thanks!

> > > > > Joy

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Not Dana, but if you have been taking mag and still have the symptoms of mag

deficiency, (sore muscles, constipation), then you should try taurine with it

and see if the symptoms resolve.

Liz

> > > My hair test shows deranged mineral transport and I'm wondering if that is

causing this. I can't tolerate oral magnesium, B12 or even 1000iu of vit d.

> >

> >

> > I required taurine before I tolerated magnesium. My son required folic

acid, B2, and carnitine before he tolerated B12. And for three of us here, 1000

IU of vitamin D was too much.

> >

> > Dana

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I started taurine today and am feeling fine on it. I already take folate and B2

so I'll look into carnitine as well. How much d do you take? Thanks so much

for your help!

> > My hair test shows deranged mineral transport and I'm wondering if that is

causing this. I can't tolerate oral magnesium, B12 or even 1000iu of vit d.

>

>

> I required taurine before I tolerated magnesium. My son required folic acid,

B2, and carnitine before he tolerated B12. And for three of us here, 1000 IU of

vitamin D was too much.

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

A symptom of magnesium, calcium, and zinc deficiencies is low attention. My

son's attention is very bad and gets worse - even with very small doses of any

of these supplements. I tried magnesium taurate (which I believe contains

taurine?) and it had the same effect - bad.

> > > > My hair test shows deranged mineral transport and I'm wondering if that

is causing this. I can't tolerate oral magnesium, B12 or even 1000iu of vit d.

> > >

> > >

> > > I required taurine before I tolerated magnesium. My son required folic

acid, B2, and carnitine before he tolerated B12. And for three of us here, 1000

IU of vitamin D was too much.

> > >

> > > Dana

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

In searching for more info a google search shows that carnitine can impede the

body's ability to use thyroid hormone. Anyone know if this is true? I'm

hypothyroid so I don't want to use anything that could make it worse.

Joy

> > My hair test shows deranged mineral transport and I'm wondering if that is

causing this. I can't tolerate oral magnesium, B12 or even 1000iu of vit d.

>

>

> I required taurine before I tolerated magnesium. My son required folic acid,

B2, and carnitine before he tolerated B12. And for three of us here, 1000 IU of

vitamin D was too much.

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

> Dana - How did you know you needed taurine?

Whenever I took magnesium, I always got a major bad headache. But I kept trying

every once in a while, because of muscle cramps and constipation issues.

I started mito cocktail for my kids, to address their fat absorption issues

[which worked really well]. I started it for me also, one supp at a time. I

noticed that when I added taurine, I was able to also take magnesium without

getting a really bad headache, and my magnesium-deficiency symptoms disappeared.

Dana

[Guest guest]

> I started taurine today and am feeling fine on it. I already take folate and

B2 so I'll look into carnitine as well. How much d do you take? Thanks so much

for your help!

I started with 250mg and worked up from there. Most deficient people seem to

need 1000mg per day, altho my son needed more than that.

Dana

[Guest guest]

> In searching for more info a google search shows that carnitine can impede the

body's ability to use thyroid hormone. Anyone know if this is true? I'm

hypothyroid so I don't want to use anything that could make it worse.

I never noticed that, altho my kids were hypothyroid from before I started

carnitine with them.

I corrected the thyroid issues with selenium, tyrosine, and iodine.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Dana and all,

I am new here, tried to get some help earlier, but was unlucky.

I thought I'll give another try.

Dana, Kids with CBS mutation will do horrible on Taurine(Yasko)

since I have read this I gave up the idea to supplement Taurine on my son though

he is deficient in that.

How do you know, which supplement to give before another(in order to make it

tolerable for the body)like B12. My

son regressed on MB12, had no clue why?

The only explanation the Dan! gave was may be he is very toxic.

Thanks,

Sasmita

> > I started taurine today and am feeling fine on it. I already take folate

and B2 so I'll look into carnitine as well. How much d do you take? Thanks so

much for your help!

>

>

> I started with 250mg and worked up from there. Most deficient people seem to

need 1000mg per day, altho my son needed more than that.

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

> Dana, Kids with CBS mutation will do horrible on Taurine(Yasko)

> since I have read this I gave up the idea to supplement Taurine on my son

though he is deficient in that.

My son did not do well with certain supps until I gave him the other supps

required for proper absorption. So that might be an issue for your child.

> How do you know, which supplement to give before another(in order to make it

tolerable for the body)like B12. My

Research and observation of symptoms.

> son regressed on MB12, had no clue why?

> The only explanation the Dan! gave was may be he is very toxic.

My son needed folic acid, B2, and carnitine before he properly absorbed mB12.

It also tended to increase yeast.

Dana

[Guest guest]

>

> How do you know, which supplement to give before another(in order to make it

tolerable for the body)like B12. My

> son regressed on MB12, had no clue why?

> The only explanation the Dan! gave was may be he is very toxic.

>

> Thanks,

> Sasmita

>

Sasmita, I understand there are two commonly available forms of B12

cyanocobalamin and methylcobalamin. You might ask your DAN!. I hear that if you

take the cyano... the body will have to use some of its detox resources to

remove the resulting cyanide! I wonder if the methyl... will be helpful if the

person is an undermethylator--supposedly a significant majority of autistic

people, maybe unless the person has issues with methyl trapping. It seems quite

complex!

http://alternativementalhealth.com/articles/walsh.htm#Au

http://alternativementalhealth.com/articles/walshMP.htm#Met

http://www.alternativementalhealth.com/articles/walshQZ.htm#Ta

http://alternativementalhealth.com/articles/default.htm#Au

[Guest guest]

Hello ,

I'm considering using biofilm enzymes with DMSA or even DMPS for overnight. Did

you use anti-inflammatories or charcoal or other supplements ? Anyone else ?

Mo