Re: DMPS/ALA, Tracking Progress, and wishful thinking (maybe) question

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kareenk wrote:

>

> Still learning so got lots of questions...

>

> 1) If we do the DMPS/ALA, is it ok to do the 3 hour dosage schedule in

> the waking hours then just DMPS for the nighttime (8 hour)?

>

No.

>

> Or DMSA/ALA every 3 hours in the morning then switch to DMPS for sleep?

>

No.

>

> 2) Is there a way to measure the mercury that came out from each round

> of chelation? urine test?

>

Under controlled circumstances, maybe. But you will never be able to

compare this to a control--i.e. how much would have been excreted if you

had not chelated.

>

> 3) Here's the wishful question, our ND explains the high dosage of

> DMSA (1,000 mg for 60 pound kid) is safe IF given along with all the

> supplements which package up the toxins, buffer the liver, etc. and

> sends it out the system since these things work in synergy.

>

No clue about body chemistry. Sigh. The wishful thinking is on his/her

part, not yours.

> She told us to expect lots of increased stimming but to plow through

> since the rewards would be tremendous and the mercury would be out.

> Could this be possible?

>

No. The bigger the dose, the more redistribution, the more damage.

> Please forgive me - still learning and hoping.

>

The rewards will be possibly irreversible damage.

The inevitable realization that your ND is completely incompetant is

understandably frightening. It's time to move on and find a less

dangerous practitioner.

> 4) We are on day 2 which had more " side effects " - increased verbal

> noises and some head jerking/eye blinking. Andy's book pg 202 suggests

> possible mercury redistribution. Just want to confirm we are on the

> right track and this is normal side effects and not redistribution or

> overdosing, etc.

>

> He is 60 pounds taking 15 mg DMSA / 18 mg ALA per dose every 3 hours

> (4 hours overnight).

>

And this is probably too much and/or he can not tolerate the 4 hours and

should be on 3 hours day and night. You should really start at 1/8 mg/lb

OR LESS for the first few rounds. This would be 7.5 mg of DMSA alone,

then 15 mg DMSA alone after several rounds of NO negative reactions,

then adding 7.5 mg of ALA to the mix, again after NO reactions, etc...

>

> Rereading the omnibasu posts, Andy's book, posts on this group and

> starting to make sense now. Thank you all!!

>

> Kareen

>

>

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> 4) We are on day 2 which had more " side effects " - increased verbal noises and

some head jerking/eye blinking.

Those were yeast overgrowth symptoms at my house.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Thanks, .

Is it ok to do DMPS for a few rounds then DMSA/ALA on different rounds?

I was doing 1/2 of 1/2 of 1/2 etc. of a cap. Waiting for the milligram scale to

arrive so can do it better. Is the upper limit 1/2mg per pound?

His challenge test showed 49 for mercury so we are eager to get it out.

Thanks again!

> >

> > Still learning so got lots of questions...

> >

> > 1) If we do the DMPS/ALA, is it ok to do the 3 hour dosage schedule in

> > the waking hours then just DMPS for the nighttime (8 hour)?

> >

> No.

>

> >

> > Or DMSA/ALA every 3 hours in the morning then switch to DMPS for sleep?

> >

> No.

>

> >

> > 2) Is there a way to measure the mercury that came out from each round

> > of chelation? urine test?

> >

> Under controlled circumstances, maybe. But you will never be able to

> compare this to a control--i.e. how much would have been excreted if you

> had not chelated.

>

> >

> > 3) Here's the wishful question, our ND explains the high dosage of

> > DMSA (1,000 mg for 60 pound kid) is safe IF given along with all the

> > supplements which package up the toxins, buffer the liver, etc. and

> > sends it out the system since these things work in synergy.

> >

> No clue about body chemistry. Sigh. The wishful thinking is on his/her

> part, not yours.

>

> > She told us to expect lots of increased stimming but to plow through

> > since the rewards would be tremendous and the mercury would be out.

> > Could this be possible?

> >

> No. The bigger the dose, the more redistribution, the more damage.

>

> > Please forgive me - still learning and hoping.

> >

> The rewards will be possibly irreversible damage.

>

> The inevitable realization that your ND is completely incompetant is

> understandably frightening. It's time to move on and find a less

> dangerous practitioner.

>

> > 4) We are on day 2 which had more " side effects " - increased verbal

> > noises and some head jerking/eye blinking. Andy's book pg 202 suggests

> > possible mercury redistribution. Just want to confirm we are on the

> > right track and this is normal side effects and not redistribution or

> > overdosing, etc.

> >

> > He is 60 pounds taking 15 mg DMSA / 18 mg ALA per dose every 3 hours

> > (4 hours overnight).

> >

> And this is probably too much and/or he can not tolerate the 4 hours and

> should be on 3 hours day and night. You should really start at 1/8 mg/lb

> OR LESS for the first few rounds. This would be 7.5 mg of DMSA alone,

> then 15 mg DMSA alone after several rounds of NO negative reactions,

> then adding 7.5 mg of ALA to the mix, again after NO reactions, etc...

>

>

>

> >

> > Rereading the omnibasu posts, Andy's book, posts on this group and

> > starting to make sense now. Thank you all!!

> >

> > Kareen

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you! What you shared is tremendous and inspiration for us to go on and do

it right.

My son's challenge urine was arsenic 140, lead 14, mercury 49, uranium 0.09.

>

> I do not believe it is safe to give a child 1000 mg of DMSA for any reason. My

son had a urine test and his lead was 69, aluminum 140, Tin 98, mercury 7.2, and

cadmium 0.9 several others were on the border for being elevated, but these are

the most serious. I would not give high doses of DMSA or any other chelator

especially when you are not sure of the levels to begin with. I have been

chelating for 6 months and my son has gone from 0-8 months developmentally to 23

months all around. He is 5 so we have a long way to go, but this is great

progress in such a short amount of time, and we aren't giving high doses of

DMSA/ALA. These chelators are extremely effectve in low doses and less

redistribution is best for our kids.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Dana!

We will add back yeast treatment. His last OATS came back clear so though we

were ok.

> > 4) We are on day 2 which had more " side effects " - increased verbal noises

and some head jerking/eye blinking.

>

>

> Those were yeast overgrowth symptoms at my house.

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

> > >

> > > Still learning so got lots of questions...

> > >

> > > 1) If we do the DMPS/ALA, is it ok to do the 3 hour dosage schedule in

> > > the waking hours then just DMPS for the nighttime (8 hour)?

> > >

> > No.

> >

> > >

> > > Or DMSA/ALA every 3 hours in the morning then switch to DMPS for sleep?

> > >

> > No.

> >

> > >

> > > 2) Is there a way to measure the mercury that came out from each round

> > > of chelation? urine test?

> > >

> > Under controlled circumstances, maybe. But you will never be able to

> > compare this to a control--i.e. how much would have been excreted if you

> > had not chelated.

> >

> > >

> > > 3) Here's the wishful question, our ND explains the high dosage of

> > > DMSA (1,000 mg for 60 pound kid) is safe IF given along with all the

> > > supplements which package up the toxins, buffer the liver, etc. and

> > > sends it out the system since these things work in synergy.

> > >

> > No clue about body chemistry. Sigh. The wishful thinking is on his/her

> > part, not yours.

> >

> > > She told us to expect lots of increased stimming but to plow through

> > > since the rewards would be tremendous and the mercury would be out.

> > > Could this be possible?

> > >

> > No. The bigger the dose, the more redistribution, the more damage.

> >

> > > Please forgive me - still learning and hoping.

> > >

> > The rewards will be possibly irreversible damage.

> >

> > The inevitable realization that your ND is completely incompetant is

> > understandably frightening. It's time to move on and find a less

> > dangerous practitioner.

> >

> > > 4) We are on day 2 which had more " side effects " - increased verbal

> > > noises and some head jerking/eye blinking. Andy's book pg 202 suggests

> > > possible mercury redistribution. Just want to confirm we are on the

> > > right track and this is normal side effects and not redistribution or

> > > overdosing, etc.

> > >

> > > He is 60 pounds taking 15 mg DMSA / 18 mg ALA per dose every 3 hours

> > > (4 hours overnight).

> > >

> > And this is probably too much and/or he can not tolerate the 4 hours and

> > should be on 3 hours day and night. You should really start at 1/8 mg/lb

> > OR LESS for the first few rounds. This would be 7.5 mg of DMSA alone,

> > then 15 mg DMSA alone after several rounds of NO negative reactions,

> > then adding 7.5 mg of ALA to the mix, again after NO reactions, etc...

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Rereading the omnibasu posts, Andy's book, posts on this group and

> > > starting to make sense now. Thank you all!!

> > >

> > > Kareen

> > >

> > >

> >

>