Guest guest Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 You can only use either ALA on it's own or ALA in combination with DMSA. DMSA actually lowers plasma cysteine which is good for tolerating high thiol foods, whereas ALA actually raises plasma cysteine which makes a person less tolerant to high thiol foods. Best to take them together. > > Hi, a friend wanted to know what to use if her child cannot tolerate DMSA due to sulfur issues... > Thanks, > Kathy > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 What? So why is our DAN! (and Andy Cutler also, if I'm not mistaken) using/prescribing ALA with DMPS? Such is life?!. Oh my gosh, are words ever *not* enough.. . (But not so bad either! if not outright good for Us!/as much .. ..)+ I'm not going to worry about It.. I'll just go with what *works* in our situation, (for our Individual guy, Etc.) keeping in mind that it is helpful to know what the possibilities are! (of as much) in this respect of as much! .. . (of Feeling as Understanding! if I may say so, myself, or not What's more important to me, and where I'm glad to help in that respect (of Justice! My sense of It.. . (That I would care about everything else.. . Mike Glavic On what I think of the world, where you wanted to know as much? .. . I guess I wasn't raised as a political socialist? My *practice* also follows such lines, where you would be more interested in as much BWT. > > > > Hi, a friend wanted to know what to use if her child cannot tolerate DMSA due to sulfur issues... > > Thanks, > > Kathy > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2010 Report Share Posted March 23, 2010 DMPS can be used in place of DMSA. ALA is essential, DMPS or DMSA are the 'accessory chelators'. > > > > > > Hi, a friend wanted to know what to use if her child cannot tolerate DMSA due to sulfur issues... > > > Thanks, > > > Kathy > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2010 Report Share Posted March 24, 2010 > > > > Hi, a friend wanted to know what to use if her child cannot tolerate DMSA due to sulfur issues.. Your friend should use a real doctor who actually knows something. That particular phrasing guarantees the 'doctor' is both clueless and gullible. Andy http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our Children http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2010 Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 Thanks, . It doesn't *really* seem DMPS is so favored here, (reading between the lines, etc..) and if I don't get more meaningful results with it, (and my DAN! doctor?) I might just go slow with ALA alone (for all that a super anti-oxidant is good for?) and save my money and fight for " justice " (The truth?!. Where my heart really is at! I figure all I need would come from as much, how justice (fairness, value?) works, for what I have to offer, I mean Perhaps you *wouldn't* be surprised at how much resistance I get from being like that, for justice, primarily.. . (of Understanding More, for my self, no less, of Communication What an interesting board. Mike Glavic Does anyone recommend taking MSM with chelation to facilitate with, getting the mercury out? I thought I read that the Mercola site recommended it (also something to do with sulfur?) Our DAN! didn't mention it. I didn't see it mentioned here so I'm not making a big deal of it. I could try it and see how it works for the risk and cost of doing as much, but I might not even bother. Dana's good with ALA (and not mentioning MSM) so why bother, as different as some of us might be, I know.. . BWT. > > > > > > > > Hi, a friend wanted to know what to use if her child cannot tolerate DMSA due to sulfur issues... > > > > Thanks, > > > > Kathy > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2010 Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 By Definition wrote: > > > Thanks, . It doesn't *really* seem DMPS is so favored here, > DMPS is great. Most people choose DMSA instead because it is available without a prescription. As well, DMPS does not chelate lead. > (reading between the lines, etc..) and if I don't get more meaningful > results with it, (and my DAN! doctor?) I might just go slow with ALA > alone (for all that a super anti-oxidant is good for?) and save my > money and fight for " justice " (The truth?!. Where my heart really is > at! I figure all I need would come from as much, how justice > (fairness, value?) works, for what I have to offer, I mean > > Perhaps you *wouldn't* be surprised at how much resistance I get from > being like that, for justice, primarily.. . (of Understanding More, > for my self, no less, of Communication > > What an interesting board. > > Mike Glavic > > Does anyone recommend taking MSM with chelation to facilitate with, > getting the mercury out? I thought I read that the Mercola site > recommended it (also something to do with sulfur?) Our DAN! didn't > mention it. I didn't see it mentioned here so I'm not making a big > deal of it. I could try it and see how it works for the risk and cost > of doing as much, but I might not even bother. Dana's good with ALA > (and not mentioning MSM) so why bother, as different as some of us > might be, I know.. . > > BWT. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2010 Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 Thanks Mike. And my DAN! likewise told me DMSA is not ideal for chelating mercury, so I'm wondering why people would use it unless they where chelating for lead or something other than mercury, I suppose.. . We'd be chelating for mercury, mostly. Maybe the ALA helps with any lead issue, on top of its other benefits. Mike Glavic Self-described. > > > > > > Thanks, . It doesn't *really* seem DMPS is so favored here, > > > DMPS is great. Most people choose DMSA instead because it is available > without a prescription. As well, DMPS does not chelate lead. > > > > > > (reading between the lines, etc..) and if I don't get more meaningful > > results with it, (and my DAN! doctor?) I might just go slow with ALA > > alone (for all that a super anti-oxidant is good for?) and save my > > money and fight for " justice " (The truth?!. Where my heart really is > > at! I figure all I need would come from as much, how justice > > (fairness, value?) works, for what I have to offer, I mean > > > > Perhaps you *wouldn't* be surprised at how much resistance I get from > > being like that, for justice, primarily.. . (of Understanding More, > > for my self, no less, of Communication > > > > What an interesting board. > > > > Mike Glavic > > > > Does anyone recommend taking MSM with chelation to facilitate with, > > getting the mercury out? I thought I read that the Mercola site > > recommended it (also something to do with sulfur?) Our DAN! didn't > > mention it. I didn't see it mentioned here so I'm not making a big > > deal of it. I could try it and see how it works for the risk and cost > > of doing as much, but I might not even bother. Dana's good with ALA > > (and not mentioning MSM) so why bother, as different as some of us > > might be, I know.. . > > > > BWT. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2010 Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 Andy states that DMSA when used with ALA can help increase the removal of mercury from the brain by 20-30%. The ALA pulls it from the brain and then once in the body the DMSA can help remove it. TJ ________________________________ From: By Definition <bydefinitionofunderstanding@...> Sent: Fri, March 26, 2010 11:47:43 AM Subject: [ ] Re: DMSA & sulfur  Thanks Mike. And my DAN! likewise told me DMSA is not ideal for chelating mercury, so I'm wondering why people would use it unless they where chelating for lead or something other than mercury, I suppose.. . We'd be chelating for mercury, mostly. Maybe the ALA helps with any lead issue, on top of its other benefits. Mike Glavic Self-described. > > > > > > Thanks, . It doesn't *really* seem DMPS is so favored here, > > > DMPS is great. Most people choose DMSA instead because it is available > without a prescription. As well, DMPS does not chelate lead. > > > > > > (reading between the lines, etc..) and if I don't get more meaningful > > results with it, (and my DAN! doctor?) I might just go slow with ALA > > alone (for all that a super anti-oxidant is good for?) and save my > > money and fight for " justice " (The truth?!. Where my heart really is > > at! I figure all I need would come from as much, how justice > > (fairness, value?) works, for what I have to offer, I mean > > > > Perhaps you *wouldn't* be surprised at how much resistance I get from > > being like that, for justice, primarily.. . (of Understanding More, > > for my self, no less, of Communication > > > > What an interesting board. > > > > Mike Glavic > > > > Does anyone recommend taking MSM with chelation to facilitate with, > > getting the mercury out? I thought I read that the Mercola site > > recommended it (also something to do with sulfur?) Our DAN! didn't > > mention it. I didn't see it mentioned here so I'm not making a big > > deal of it. I could try it and see how it works for the risk and cost > > of doing as much, but I might not even bother. Dana's good with ALA > > (and not mentioning MSM) so why bother, as different as some of us > > might be, I know.. . > > > > BWT. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2010 Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 > > > Does anyone recommend taking MSM with chelation to facilitate with, > > > getting the mercury out? Not anyone who knows what they're talking about. Andy http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our Children http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2010 Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 Is this better, worse, or about the same % that you would get using DMPS? Im wondering if there are situations where it is more advisable to use DMPS vice DMSA. Karla > > > > > > > > > Thanks, . It doesn't *really* seem DMPS is so favored here, > > > > > DMPS is great. Most people choose DMSA instead because it is available > > without a prescription. As well, DMPS does not chelate lead. > > > > > > > > > > > (reading between the lines, etc..) and if I don't get more meaningful > > > results with it, (and my DAN! doctor?) I might just go slow with ALA > > > alone (for all that a super anti-oxidant is good for?) and save my > > > money and fight for " justice " (The truth?!. Where my heart really is > > > at! I figure all I need would come from as much, how justice > > > (fairness, value?) works, for what I have to offer, I mean > > > > > > Perhaps you *wouldn't* be surprised at how much resistance I get from > > > being like that, for justice, primarily.. . (of Understanding More, > > > for my self, no less, of Communication > > > > > > What an interesting board. > > > > > > Mike Glavic > > > > > > Does anyone recommend taking MSM with chelation to facilitate with, > > > getting the mercury out? I thought I read that the Mercola site > > > recommended it (also something to do with sulfur?) Our DAN! didn't > > > mention it. I didn't see it mentioned here so I'm not making a big > > > deal of it. I could try it and see how it works for the risk and cost > > > of doing as much, but I might not even bother. Dana's good with ALA > > > (and not mentioning MSM) so why bother, as different as some of us > > > might be, I know.. . > > > > > > BWT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2010 Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 Thanks. There's $10 going into the kitty for justice.. . Mike > > > > > Does anyone recommend taking MSM with chelation to facilitate with, > > > > getting the mercury out? > > > > Not anyone who knows what they're talking about. > > Andy > > http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html > Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment > > http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html > Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities > > http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html > Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our Children > > http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html > Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2010 Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 > Is this better, worse, or about the same % that you would get using DMPS? Im wondering if there are situations where it is more advisable to use DMPS vice DMSA. It is pretty much the same for either. Situations where DMPS is preferred: Substantial autoimmunity (above and beyond theories that autism is autoimmune). Substantial intractable yeast problems on use of DMSA. Repeated substantial reduction in neutrophils on use of DMSA, when testing was motivated by clinically significant susceptibility to yeast, ringworm, or other nonviral infection. When ALA and DMSA + ALA side effects are intolerable. When DMPS gives great symptomatic relief. Andy http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our Children http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 Andy,What is your dosing protocol for DMPS?  I feel like everything you mentioned below might be my son.  He tolerates ALA but we continue to have major yeast issues with DMSA even though he is on a good yeast protocol.  What does DMPS pull?  Does it pull metals from the brain like ALA?Thanks,Kelley From: andrewhallcutler <AndyCutler@...> Subject: [ ] Re: DMSA & sulfur Date: Friday, March 26, 2010, 9:41 PM  > Is this better, worse, or about the same % that you would get using DMPS? Im wondering if there are situations where it is more advisable to use DMPS vice DMSA. It is pretty much the same for either. Situations where DMPS is preferred: Substantial autoimmunity (above and beyond theories that autism is autoimmune). Substantial intractable yeast problems on use of DMSA. Repeated substantial reduction in neutrophils on use of DMSA, when testing was motivated by clinically significant susceptibility to yeast, ringworm, or other nonviral infection. When ALA and DMSA + ALA side effects are intolerable. When DMPS gives great symptomatic relief. Andy http://www.noamalga m.com/index. html Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment http://www.noamalga m.com/hairtestbo ok.html Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities http://www.noamalga m.com/nourishing hope.html Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our Children http://www.noamalga m.com/biological treatments. html Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 Thanks. Currently using DMPS/ALA, and doing well on it, but considering switching to DMSA. Will consider some more for now! Karla > > > Is this better, worse, or about the same % that you would get using DMPS? Im wondering if there are situations where it is more advisable to use DMPS vice DMSA. > > It is pretty much the same for either. > > Situations where DMPS is preferred: > > Substantial autoimmunity (above and beyond theories that autism is autoimmune). > > Substantial intractable yeast problems on use of DMSA. > > Repeated substantial reduction in neutrophils on use of DMSA, when testing was motivated by clinically significant susceptibility to yeast, ringworm, or other nonviral infection. > > When ALA and DMSA + ALA side effects are intolerable. > > When DMPS gives great symptomatic relief. > > Andy > > http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html > Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment > > http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html > Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities > > http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html > Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our Children > > http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html > Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 K S wrote: > > > Andy,What is your dosing protocol for DMPS? > Not Andy, but all of these answers are available commonly here. The dosing for DMPS is the same as for DMSA: 1/8 to 1/2 mg/pound to start, then adjest upwards or downwards accourding to symptoms. Frequency for DMPS is every 8 hours or less. > I feel like everything you mentioned below might be my son. He > tolerates ALA but we continue to have major yeast issues with DMSA > even though he is on a good yeast protocol. What does DMPS pull? > Mercury, arsenic, antimony, bismuth, palladium, platinum... etc.... Not lead. > Does it pull metals from the brain like ALA? > No. DMPS does not cross the blood-brain barrier. > Thanks,Kelley > > > > From: andrewhallcutler <AndyCutler@... <mailto:AndyCutler%40aol.com>> > Subject: [ ] Re: DMSA & sulfur > > <mailto: %40> > Date: Friday, March 26, 2010, 9:41 PM > > > > > Is this better, worse, or about the same % that you would get using > DMPS? Im wondering if there are situations where it is more advisable > to use DMPS vice DMSA. > > It is pretty much the same for either. > > Situations where DMPS is preferred: > > Substantial autoimmunity (above and beyond theories that autism is > autoimmune). > > Substantial intractable yeast problems on use of DMSA. > > Repeated substantial reduction in neutrophils on use of DMSA, when > testing was motivated by clinically significant susceptibility to > yeast, ringworm, or other nonviral infection. > > When ALA and DMSA + ALA side effects are intolerable. > > When DMPS gives great symptomatic relief. > > Andy > > http://www.noamalga m.com/index. html > > Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment > > http://www.noamalga m.com/hairtestbo ok.html > > Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities > > http://www.noamalga m.com/nourishing hope.html > > Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our > Children > > http://www.noamalga m.com/biological treatments. html > > Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 Thanks for the response. Can you give DMPS with ALA? DMPS is every 8 hours not 3-4 hours? Thanks, Kelley > > From: andrewhallcutler <AndyCutleraol (DOT) com <mailto:AndyCutler% 40aol.com> > > Subject: [ ] Re: DMSA & sulfur > > <mailto:Autism- Mercury%40g roups.com> > Date: Friday, March 26, 2010, 9:41 PM > > > > > Is this better, worse, or about the same % that you would get using > DMPS? Im wondering if there are situations where it is more advisable > to use DMPS vice DMSA. > > It is pretty much the same for either. > > Situations where DMPS is preferred: > > Substantial autoimmunity (above and beyond theories that autism is > autoimmune). > > Substantial intractable yeast problems on use of DMSA. > > Repeated substantial reduction in neutrophils on use of DMSA, when > testing was motivated by clinically significant susceptibility to > yeast, ringworm, or other nonviral infection. > > When ALA and DMSA + ALA side effects are intolerable. > > When DMPS gives great symptomatic relief. > > Andy > > http://www.noamalga m.com/index. html > > Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment > > http://www.noamalga m.com/hairtestbo ok.html > > Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities > > http://www.noamalga m.com/nourishing hope.html > > Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our > Children > > http://www.noamalga m.com/biological treatments. html > > Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 K S wrote: > > > Thanks for the response. Can you give DMPS with ALA? ' > yes > DMPS is every 8 hours not 3-4 hours? > yes, or less. If you take ALA every 3 hours, you can add DMPS every other dose. Please read the copious information on chelation here and at the frequent-dose-chelation group. All these questions and more have already been answered. I have no problem repeating this, but it will be less confusing to you to see all the information in one place. > Thanks, > Kelley > > > > > > From: andrewhallcutler <AndyCutleraol (DOT) com <mailto:AndyCutler% > 40aol.com> > > > Subject: [ ] Re: DMSA & sulfur > > > > <mailto:Autism- Mercury%40g roups.com> > > Date: Friday, March 26, 2010, 9:41 PM > > > > > > > > > Is this better, worse, or about the same % that you would get using > > DMPS? Im wondering if there are situations where it is more advisable > > to use DMPS vice DMSA. > > > > It is pretty much the same for either. > > > > Situations where DMPS is preferred: > > > > Substantial autoimmunity (above and beyond theories that autism is > > autoimmune). > > > > Substantial intractable yeast problems on use of DMSA. > > > > Repeated substantial reduction in neutrophils on use of DMSA, when > > testing was motivated by clinically significant susceptibility to > > yeast, ringworm, or other nonviral infection. > > > > When ALA and DMSA + ALA side effects are intolerable. > > > > When DMPS gives great symptomatic relief. > > > > Andy > > > > http://www.noamalga m.com/index. html > > > > Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment > > > > http://www.noamalga m.com/hairtestbo ok.html > > > > Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities > > > > http://www.noamalga m.com/nourishing hope.html > > > > Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our > > Children > > > > http://www.noamalga m.com/biological treatments. html > > > > Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 My son takes ALA and DMPS. ALA every 3 hrs, DMPS every 6. Karla > > > > From: andrewhallcutler <AndyCutleraol (DOT) com <mailto:AndyCutler% 40aol.com> > > > Subject: [ ] Re: DMSA & sulfur > > > > <mailto:Autism- Mercury%40g roups.com> > > Date: Friday, March 26, 2010, 9:41 PM > > > > > > > > > Is this better, worse, or about the same % that you would get using > > DMPS? Im wondering if there are situations where it is more advisable > > to use DMPS vice DMSA. > > > > It is pretty much the same for either. > > > > Situations where DMPS is preferred: > > > > Substantial autoimmunity (above and beyond theories that autism is > > autoimmune). > > > > Substantial intractable yeast problems on use of DMSA. > > > > Repeated substantial reduction in neutrophils on use of DMSA, when > > testing was motivated by clinically significant susceptibility to > > yeast, ringworm, or other nonviral infection. > > > > When ALA and DMSA + ALA side effects are intolerable. > > > > When DMPS gives great symptomatic relief. > > > > Andy > > > > http://www.noamalga m.com/index. html > > > > Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment > > > > http://www.noamalga m.com/hairtestbo ok.html > > > > Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities > > > > http://www.noamalga m.com/nourishing hope.html > > > > Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our > > Children > > > > http://www.noamalga m.com/biological treatments. html > > > > Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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